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Have always participated in Motorola's beta software testing with no issues, should I expect the same with google??

brianbrod1 said:
Have always participated in Motorola's beta software testing with no issues, should I expect the same with google??
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Historically there was always issues. Usually small issues

Golf c said:
Historically there was always issues. Usually small issues
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Never many issues for me, seems like Android beta may have potential for more issues
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brianbrod1 said:
Never many issues for me, seems like Android beta may have potential for more issues
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Its a little different with Nexus and Pixels. By the time OEMs get Android its a fine tuned product. This is a small incremental beta, not a full blown OS changeover. Probably won't be many bugs.

Golf c said:
Its a little different with Nexus and Pixels. By the time OEMs get Android its a fine tuned product. This is a small incremental beta, not a full blown OS changeover. Probably won't be many bugs.
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Seems like more for developers with pixels vs OEM is for everyday user?
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Idk, but I joined it. Excited

brianbrod1 said:
Seems like more for developers with pixels vs OEM is for everyday user?
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All I am saying is there is a difference between Google phones and Moto, Samsung, LG etc. By the time they get Android software its already good to go thanks to you and I. We already tested this stuff on Nexus and Pixels. There's nothing wrong with trying betas and developer previews.

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All I am saying is there is a difference between Google phones and Moto, Samsung, LG etc. By the time they get Android software its already good to go thanks to you and I. We already tested this stuff on Nexus and Pixels. There's nothing wrong with trying betas and developer previews.
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Cool thanks. From what I understand that if you see an issue or aren't happy you back out, but must factory reset?
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brianbrod1 said:
Cool thanks. From what I understand that if you see an issue or aren't happy you back out, but must factory reset?
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Yeah, but when you get out of the beta program, some people have said you have to wait to get back to a stable build. Its not instant. Unlock your bootloader and flash the factory image. If your on a locked Verizon phone then it is what it is. Your at Google's mercy.

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Yeah, but when you get out of the beta program, some people have said you have to wait to get back to a stable build. Its not instant. Unlock your bootloader and flash the factory image. If your on a locked Verizon phone then it is what it is. Your at Google's mercy.
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I'm on locked Verizon..... You suggest staying away?, I've read a lot of good and bad....
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brianbrod1 said:
I'm on locked Verizon..... You suggest staying away?, I've read a lot of good and bad....
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I have heard people having to wait at most, 24-48 hours after getting off the beta program, to return to stability. New updates are one of the most exciting things about these devices. That said, if stability is important to you, then stay where your at and let the other's be guinea pigs. Keep a close eye on the comments of other's that run the beta and see if its for you? I'm unlocked and rooted. Can do whatever I want, when I want. Haha, at the mercy of the great devs of XDA of course and Google.

Golf c said:
I have heard people having to wait at most, 24-48 hours after getting off the beta program, to return to stability. New updates are one of the most exciting things about these devices. That said, if stability is important to you, then stay where your at and let the other's be guinea pigs. Keep a close eye on the comments of other's that run the beta and see if its for you? I'm unlocked and rooted. Can do whatever I want, when I want. Haha, at the mercy of the great devs of XDA of course and Google.
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Thanks for the input!!
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This is not a major release. I doubt there will be any major bugs, maybe some small stuff. My guess is likely none.
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I understand there was some changes made to bluetooth. Wondering if any beta testers with the update have seen problems with car audio connectivity improve.
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I've tried updating, got nothing yet...

7.1.1 beta on my 6p was almost the final build and actually an upgrade to 7.0. my guess is 7.1.2 will be the same. Hopefully fixes some of the TMO network issues I've been having with my pixel and hopefully 256 QAM is enabled among few other features our phones are capable of that aren't functioning yet. AptX support would be a nice welcome
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I signed up for the beta yesterday for the first time. I got the new 7.1.2 update a few minutes ago. Waiting until I get home to give it a try. Hoping it's not too unstable.

acheney1990 said:
I signed up for the beta yesterday for the first time. I got the new 7.1.2 update a few minutes ago. Waiting until I get home to give it a try. Hoping it's not too unstable.
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So far so good on my end. Anyone have any clue what changed
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Just got the update. Won't do it til later though.

smallsmx301 said:
So far so good on my end. Anyone have any clue what changed
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I haven't seen a single change. Didn't have any issues before so idk.
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Anybody get the OTA yet that wasn't a Beta member?

If nobody has, has anyone heard a timeframe?

Not yet, since Monday and today is Thursday, four days ago 8.0 came out. My Pixel XL came out last year with Nougat so this is the first big Platform Upgrade. I'm trying to remember if my former Nexus 5 took so many days to get a Platform Upgrade.
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My understanding from a few articles is that Google is rolling it out and anybody not in the beta program will get it "soon." I have a play store version using a Verizon SIM and I have it check under system update periodically and haven't had it pushed to my phone yet.
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ahent said:
My understanding from a few articles is that Google is rolling it out and anybody not in the beta program will get it "soon." I have a play store version using a Verizon SIM and I have it check under system update periodically and haven't had it pushed to my phone yet.
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They haven't even posted the actual OTA files yet. Most likely cause they(the public OTA release) are not finalized until after the release to beta users to catch any final issues....as they pulled the one they pushed it at first...then resent(signature issues). Quite a few users reporting O issues....so I would say it will be at best a week or 2 before Google works out the bugs and does public OTA.

Not from non-beta OTA, later I joined the beta, and it came.

Nope I check daily and nothing
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oneandroidnut said:
Nope I check daily and nothing
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Same here man. I'm not expecting it until I see some images posted. And that might be 8.0.1 at this point. Multiple problems out there. No rush whatsoever for me.
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No OTAs here either, I flashed up from the 7.1.2 August build to the new OPR6 build.

Nothing here either. And like others said, there appear to be some issues with the current release, so I'm in no hurry to upgrade to 8.0. Let them iron out those initial bugs first before they push it to the general public.

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Not from non-beta OTA, later I joined the beta, and it came.
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I am on the Pixel XL and Nexus 6P with DP4 on both. I received one single ~59MB and ~36MB OTA file on each.
I thought that was really small since all the DP OTAs were ~1GB and so expected a similar size for the stable OTA. Can you share your OTA experience? What was the size and did you receive two files (small+big) as some others are reporting online?

makapav said:
I am on the Pixel XL and Nexus 6P with DP4 on both. I received one single ~59MB and ~36MB OTA file on each.
I thought that was really small since all the DP OTAs were ~1GB and so expected a similar size for the stable OTA. Can you share your OTA experience? What was the size and did you receive two files (small+big) as some others are reporting online?
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mine was about 60 some mb, I got the OTA before it was pulled the first time and everything went smoothly for me. after reading other's experiences I'm wondering why mine worked.

makapav said:
I am on the Pixel XL and Nexus 6P with DP4 on both. I received one single ~59MB and ~36MB OTA file on each.
I thought that was really small since all the DP OTAs were ~1GB and so expected a similar size for the stable OTA. Can you share your OTA experience? What was the size and did you receive two files (small+big) as some others are reporting online?
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I was on 7.1.2 and when I was checking system update, it only showed "system is up to date". And then I joined the Android Beta Program and I received a notification that Android O was ready to download, size about 950MB.
Then it proceeds like any other OTA. I didn't get any second package yet.

jerryhou85 said:
I was on 7.1.2 and when I was checking system update, it only showed "system is up to date". And then I joined the Android Beta Program and I received a notification that Android O was ready to download, size about 950MB.
Then it proceeds like any other OTA. I didn't get any second package yet.
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In your case - you joined the Beta program after Oreo was released - so it makes sense that the OTA to final would be 900MB. Thanks for your response!
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mine was about 60 some mb, I got the OTA before it was pulled the first time and everything went smoothly for me. after reading other's experiences I'm wondering why mine worked.
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OK so I guess the DP4 to final Android Oreo OTA is ~60MB. Thanks man! I will let other people in parallel forums know about it.

Pixel XL from Google Store/on VZ network (off contract). I was not on the DP but sources advised to sign up, get the OTA, and then unenroll. I did that yesterday and am now on OPR6.170523.012 which is stable and I understand the final. Working fine.

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Pixel XL from Google Store/on VZ network (off contract). I was not on the DP but sources advised to sign up, get the OTA, and then unenroll. I did that yesterday and am now on OPR6.170523.012 which is stable and I understand the final. Working fine.
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On the T-Mobile SIM Pixel XL, from DP4 my current build number is: OPR6.170623.011
Google needs to get its sh*t together and start to clearly communicate what's going on and where we stand.
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mine was about 60 some mb, I got the OTA before it was pulled the first time and everything went smoothly for me. after reading other's experiences I'm wondering why mine worked.
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Pixel XL from Google Store/on VZ network (off contract). I was not on the DP but sources advised to sign up, get the OTA, and then unenroll. I did that yesterday and am now on OPR6.170523.012 which is stable and I understand the final. Working fine.
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Got the facts from the Pixel forum here.
If you're on the DP4 Android O, it is considered the final Release Candidate so only the smaller OTA is delivered to bring you in line with the stable release of Android Oreo.

jerryhou85 said:
I was on 7.1.2 and when I was checking system update, it only showed "system is up to date". And then I joined the Android Beta Program and I received a notification that Android O was ready to download, size about 950MB.
Then it proceeds like any other OTA. I didn't get any second package yet.
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I see that that is a way to basically force the OTA to 8.0, but I'm still uncomfortable doing that without any system or OTA images available on the google site. There must be a reason no images have been posted for any carrier. So I'll sit it out for now and I do believe you will get an updated OTA once the images are released. Even though Oreo is "official" I still thinks it's just a later beta with all the issues they're having.

bobby janow said:
I see that that is a way to basically force the OTA to 8.0, but I'm still uncomfortable doing that without any system or OTA images available on the google site. There must be a reason no images have been posted for any carrier. So I'll sit it out for now and I do believe you will get an updated OTA once the images are released. Even though Oreo is "official" I still thinks it's just a later beta with all the issues they're having.
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Correct, I have encountered some issues after beta-OTA process, like "Automatic Time Zone" always wrong and hidden wifi not connecting...
I plan to do a factory image flash, if issues persistent, I'll downgrade to 7.1.2 and wait for the real OTA...

bobby janow said:
I see that that is a way to basically force the OTA to 8.0, but I'm still uncomfortable doing that without any system or OTA images available on the google site. There must be a reason no images have been posted for any carrier. So I'll sit it out for now and I do believe you will get an updated OTA once the images are released. Even though Oreo is "official" I still thinks it's just a later beta with all the issues they're having.
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This is where I am - now. I never normally do the beta stuff, but this time after Monday's announcement, I got excited and believed all the stories about how you could join the beta, just to get the OTA to the "final" release of 8.0 (I was stock, un-rooted, 7.1.2 on T-Mo). I did it, and it worked just as expected. I was first thrown by the naming convention for the build (OPR......., instead of just "OZKL4T" or something--I realize now that might be how they are named from now on). I have also since seen that there is still carrier testing to be conducted, plus other issues. Also, if it's "final", why aren't the images and OTA files here yet - https://developers.google.com/android/images ?? Being cautious, I decided to reflash the latest 7.1.2 image, and wait patiently for the "real" OTA. Not interested in beta testing (any more than we already do by being Nexus/Pixel stock owners). Happy for everyone that is running this latest build, but I'm only interested in the rock-solid, absolutely final images. Those are not here yet, in the form in which they have always come previously (and will almost certainly come again shortly).

Uh....I'm still on November 7.1.1, was about to upgrade August release but waited for the official O release from Google.lol
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Oreo Update for non beta users
http://www.droid-life.com/2017/08/29/verizon-pixel-android-oreo-update/

Will Pixel 2 XL present new challenges?

Factory images will be up soon and first round of devices shipping in weeks. Will 2 XL be similar enough to XL that the lessons learned by Root & Recovery developers on the XL will translate to working root and recovery coming straight away or are new challenges expected?

I remember Pixel 2 will come with Android 8, not 8.1. It should be quite similar for development.

So anyone have an opinion? Will we have Root & Recovery straight away or no?

Not sure about "straight away" but I know Pure Nexus dev @BeansTown106 purchased a 2 XL, so I imagine it'll be up and running as soon as he can cook it up the way he likes.

The entire dev community learned allot with the First Pixel.
I am looking forward to and confident that the Pixel 2XL will be supported.

I'm thinking XDA development will rock for this badboy device...

Well OK! Hoping device turns out to be stellar and developers have fun with it!

If you look at the pixel XL Dev forum vs say the s8+ Dev forum, it doesn't look as active or full of custom roms ect. I would of guessed other way around

Yeah.. compare to the Nexus 6 forum the original pixel is dead
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I hate to agree, but I noticed this also. The amount of development for the Pixel and Pixel XL is a lot less than Nexus phones of past. It seems like the OnePlus and even the LG G* phones are more popular with devs now. I was really surprised to see that after a year there is no offical version of Lineage OS for the original Pixel phones and still complications and difficulties with root and TWRP. The A/B partitions and extra security measures seem to create a lot of complicaitons.
I'm hoping that everything learned with the first Pixel phones will translate into more and better development for the Pixel 2 phones, but I wouldn't bet on it. I also think the high price of the Pixel phones is a barrier for a lot of devs.

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I hate to agree, but I noticed this also. The amount of development for the Pixel and Pixel XL is a lot less than Nexus phones of past. It seems like the OnePlus and even the LG G* phones are more popular with devs now. I was really surprised to see that after a year there is no offical version of Lineage OS for the original Pixel phones and still complications and difficulties with root and TWRP. The A/B partitions and extra security measures seem to create a lot of complicaitons.
I'm hoping that everything learned with the first Pixel phones will translate into more and better development for the Pixel 2 phones, but I wouldn't bet on it. I also think the high price of the Pixel phones is a barrier for a lot of devs.
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Was the Pixel / Pixel XL offered unlocked, or just carrier variants?

Az Biker said:
Was the Pixel / Pixel XL offered unlocked, or just carrier variants?
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They were offered unlocked straight from Google and locked from carriers like Verizon. Early on, an unlocking solution was found for Verizon models but patched with later Nougat update 7.1.2

I'm hoping for good things here but these phones are so good in factory form it will be hard to improve on. Security is also more important as phones have access to everything you have.

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Yeah.. compare to the Nexus 6 forum the original pixel is dead
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They have enough development. If you want 30 ROMs that's the same rehased crap, get a oneplus device.
All you need is some source built aosp

Wish chrome had adblock. That and adfree YouTube are the only things I root for. Maybe we will get lucky and the 2 XL won't have a dual boot partition.

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Actually the Verizon could be unlocked with Android stock 7.1 using depixel8... But 7.1.1 update took away this ability.. my replacement Verizon xl came with 7.1.1 so i sold it
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Edit: nvm this is a different thread
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If you want 30 ROMs that's the same rehased crap, get a oneplus device.
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Quit beating around the bush, how do you REALLY feel

Az Biker said:
Not sure about "straight away" but I know Pure Nexus dev @BeansTown106 purchased a 2 XL, so I imagine it'll be up and running as soon as he can cook it up the way he likes.
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This is great news! Pure Nexus is a great ROM and Beans does a fantastic job with it!

Google Assistant 2.0

Just curious if anyone has found a way to bring this to older Pixel phones yet. This is the one feature i'm really looking forward to.

It seems by virtue of the fact there are no replies, that this is either an ignored post, or there are no answers as of yet.

Reported from Slash Gear:
"It’s still unknown whether older Pixel phones will get the same treatment. The Pixel 2 is still within the supported period so, unless Google considers it to be blocked by older hardware, the compact Google Assistant should still be able to make its way to it"
https://www.slashgear.com/pixel-4-c...out-to-some-pixel-3-and-3-xl-phones-10599137/

I already have it in my Pixel 2 XL. I am a level 7 local guide though with early access to upcoming features. So yes, this will definitely hit the Pixel 2 (XL) as well!

@addemer - that's awesome news! How are you finding it?

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I already have it in my Pixel 2 XL. I am a level 7 local guide though with early access to upcoming features. So yes, this will definitely hit the Pixel 2 (XL) as well!
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How do you know you have it? I thought i read that GAssistant wont have the cool new UI like on the Pixel 4.
Im also a level 7 local guide and GAssistant beta tester. But i dont think i have it.

I do not have the Pixel 4 UI but the new compact view that the article above mentions.

That wasn't what I was referring to. I was looking for the new faster assistant with continued conversation. I heard others have gotten it to work on a rooted phone by changing the build.prop to a pixel 4.

Question Does Google provide all updates to Pixel phones bought from Google?

Am looking to buy an unlocked Pixel 6 Pro directly from the Google Store. I was wondering if all system and security updates will come to the phone directly from Google instead of from the carrier I choose, eg T-Mobile.

they come from google

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they come from google
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Good to know. Thanks.

I'm sorry but

In fairness, I "think" Google also do the updates for all the carrier variations as well so either way you're good and will get timely updates no matter which Pixel 6 Pro you get.

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I'm sorry but
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Not sure what was so funny about that. I currently have an unlocked Note 20 Ultra on T-Mobile and hadn't received any security updates from June through September while other carriers had apparently sent updates during that time. My understanding is that Google is more timely in sending out updates to phones they sell vs. carriers, but I just wanted to confirm that before buying since I've never owned a Google branded phone before.

All the updates come from google, and once in a while they will release slightly different versions for carriers around the world, I believe this is only the modem software, i know in the past that verizon also had some bootloader unlocking blocks as well which took longer for people to get root

Yep, Google is boss of the applesauce!

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Not sure what was so funny about that. I currently have an unlocked Note 20 Ultra on T-Mobile and hadn't received any security updates from June through September while other carriers had apparently sent updates during that time. My understanding is that Google is more timely in sending out updates to phones they sell vs. carriers, but I just wanted to confirm that before buying since I've never owned a Google branded phone before.
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Its a Google made phone and a Google operating system so come on be serous who do you think do the updates, Santa's helpers?

Google releases the updates, even though there were - as far as I remember - two instances in the past when Google released a certain update for certain carriers slightly later than compared to the other ones, even though we are only talking about hours, couple days max.

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Its a Google made phone and a Google operating system so come on be serous who do you think do the updates, Santa's helpers?
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no question is silly if you dont know the answer

Shipoftheline said:
Its a Google made phone and a Google operating system so come on be serous who do you think do the updates, Santa's helpers?
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Like I said, I've never owned a Google phone purchased directly from Google. My current phone is unlocked with Google's OS and the updates come from T-Mobile AFAIK, which has recently been slow in rolling out their updates, so yes, I wanted to be sure about that before I spend my hard earned $900. Don't know why you had to mock my question. Everyone else who responded here was helpful and kind.