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Will we get Nougat (7.0)? If so, when?

Just thought I'd throw this out there because the 1+3 is my first 1+. Can anyone with past 1+ experience give me an idea of first, whether we should expect to get Nougat, and second, if we can expect it, how long after the initial release will it be released for us?

Well, I meant to post this in Q&A, but I guess discussion works too.

Judging by the 1+2, yes, half a year after N goes official.
But who knows, maybe they improved, we got a quick RAM and display fix after all, so I'll say it'll land on january 17th 2017.

You are asking us to predict on something that doesn't yet exist.
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brickedvice said:
You are asking us to predict on something that doesn't yet exist.
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Pandemic187 said:
Can anyone with past 1+ experience
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It's not like my post was even lengthy...

Official update for sure takes months. But i hope CM and AOSP brings us a (more or less stable) N beta some weeks after the launch. So maybe for christmas this year.

Thanks Hatshipuh and Tiz92. That seems like a reasonable time frame.
Oh, and extra points to Hatshipuh for an exact date estimate! :laugh:

Prediction: OP3 will be the first Non-Nexus/HTC/Sony phone to get 7.0, officially or unofficially.
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t2jbird said:
Prediction: OP3 will be the first Non-Nexus/HTC/Sony phone to get 7.0, officially or unofficially.
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Well said. Wasn't there a pic floating around of the op3 running a preview N? I remember seeing it somewhere online bit I didn't care coz I never thought I would buy this phone at the time.

It was a fake. There were "0"s with different fonts.

History is a cyclic phenomenom.
At each new Android version the same threads, with the same answers: we don't know.
The correct answer is: When it's done. And sooner for custom roms.

What did you said?

matze19999 said:
What did you said?
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haha, I was about to say the same thing.

Pandemic187 said:
Just thought I'd throw this out there because the 1+3 is my first 1+. Can anyone with past 1+ experience give me an idea of first, whether we should expect to get Nougat, and second, if we can expect it, how long after the initial release will it be released for us?
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We won't get Android N
Enjoy!

matze19999 said:
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Come back to future bro, lol

It's better to not count on getting Android N.
And even if it comes, there is a probability that certain things in a N update will be annoying or worse than on Marshmallow so that many users will prefer to not update to N.
But that is OK - on my LG G2 which I used for 2.5 years I still have Android 4.4. And it works, so what?

I heard that Android Nougat will be "6.1". Is it true?

_MartyMan_ said:
I heard that Android Nougat will be "6.1". Is it true?
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No, it will be 7.0

I don't pin my hopes high of getting android N anytime sooner than 1 year. I will be relying on custom ROMs. The only thing i will be missing is camera quality. Photos on custom ROMs just don't match with what i can get with stock. Hopefully we get alternative.
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android n for one plus 3 ? in Feb-March 2017 , they have a history of slow updates. best to assume more time to avoid horrible disappointment lol . but who will stay on stock for so long ? i just hope the op3 gets a cam mod that makes us utilize the slow mo video recordings in aosp/cm roms.. then id go ahead.

When should we expect to see Oreo Roms?

Sorry if this has been asked already, but like I asked, when should we start to see Oreo ROMs?

hostilebynature said:
Sorry if this has been asked already, but like I asked, when should we start to see Oreo ROMs?
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Don't ask for ETAs.
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What's wrong with stock?
Aftermarket ROMs seem to introduce more problems than they fix, for the past 4 phones
I finally learned my lesson with the Nexus 6 and stuck with stock and a custom kernel. Xposed will be along and there is no reason for a ROM.
Substratum, ✓
Root, ✓
Android Pay/Netflix, ✓
Boot Animation change, ✓
Custom Kernel, ✓
Xposed, soon[emoji769]
What are the other reasons you possibly want to taint a great phone?
T.
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Some people enjoy the the mods that come with custom ROMs. Since the Nexus 5 I've been a huge fan of the contents by the team over at Dirty Unicorns puts out. Wouldn't mind trying out a DU Oreo rom if it ever happened.

XDA members usually like to flash...

galaxys said:
XDA members usually like to flash...
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Yep. If I recall from many years ago when creating an account on xda there was a check box you were required to check acknowledging that expected behavior.

Are any developers currently working on Oreo, or is this phone development dead?

dcillusions77 said:
Are any developers currently working on Oreo, or is this phone development dead?
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DU, Pure Nexus are working on Oreo if you know of any other roms that support this device check their source you'll see branches for 8.0

I am just curious what is putting a wrench in Pixel XL I just got this phone so am not up to date with nuances of this phone

AsuraDas said:
I am just curious what is putting a wrench in Pixel XL I just got this phone so am not up to date with nuances of this phone
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Nobody can seem to answer this... [emoji87]
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localceleb said:
Nobody can seem to answer this... [emoji87]
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My guess price this phone was super over priced compared to some of the other offerings in Android. Mid range is catching some great devices out there for little money

AsuraDas said:
I am just curious what is putting a wrench in Pixel XL I just got this phone so am not up to date with nuances of this phone
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I'm staying on Nougat. Working TWRP recovery, running DU, and Franco Kernel. Seems like for me at least when I was on Oreo couldn't get the recovery to stick which was annoying. Went back to Nougat and all is well. Just have to wait for the Oreo's to start dropping.

AsuraDas said:
I am just curious what is putting a wrench in Pixel XL I just got this phone so am not up to date with nuances of this phone
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I'm using a moto-x pure now so I hadn't payed any attention to the Pixel/PixelXL development scene at all. I pre ordered a Pixel 2 XL last night which made me go check out development on the Pixel XL out of curiosity. From what I gathered after some research last night it seems the 2016 pixels have a "non standard" way of handling updates. Apparently there are 2 partitions/slots for system/vendor (slot A and B). I'm not going into details what this means, but the short version is that it made things more difficult for custom recoveries to deal with. Even with all the right parts in place flashing a ROM/GAPPS/Root means taking extra steps that every other devices I've ever dealt with didn't need. Nothing major... just extra steps.
Like I said, that's a VERY basic explanation of the situation. Maybe somebody else is willing to go into more detail, but that's the gist of it. It does look to me though that the most popular ROMs have either an official or unofficial build available.
There's also something to be said about the state of "official android" now, which these phones run. At least to me there is significantly less reason to need/want a custom ROM now compared to just 2 years ago. Now that "official android" has themes capability via OMS and a lot of customization options there is not a whole lot I personally want anymore. My biggest thing is "long back press to kill" which can be had with an app if necessary, "advanced restart" menu and of course root.
I think if the only thing I can't have while sticking with the official builds is the "advanced restart" menu then I can deal with it, I can run terminal commands to achieve the same thing. I can imagine the Pixel 2 XL being my first android phone that I finally stick with the "official builds" + root for the life of the phone. I'm sure I'll end up playing with ROMs once they become available but I don't know if it will be much more than playing around... I've always used ROMs mostly to get the "stock android experience" because I like it.. but since this phone comes with it and will get VERY TIMELY android updates I can definitely see myself sticking with what's official and no ROMS. I ALMOST did it with my Moto X Pure.. moto's official builds were damn near AOSP and I used them until it became apparent that I could't rely of them for OS updates post Lenovo buying Motorola.

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Nobody can seem to answer this... [emoji87]
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I can. The problem is with the dual slots. Pixel Dust was able to finally make a Oreo Rom for both Pixel and Pixel XL, however root is not possible yet. My suggestion if you want to be flash happy is to stay away from Google phones because from here on out they will all have dual slots.
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dcillusions77 said:
I'm staying on Nougat. Working TWRP recovery, running DU, and Franco Kernel. Seems like for me at least when I was on Oreo couldn't get the recovery to stick which was annoying. Went back to Nougat and all is well. Just have to wait for the Oreo's to start dropping.
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There was actually a updated twrp recovery this month and it sticks with Oreo now. Problem is that there is only one custom Rom for Oreo and currently root is not possible. That's with Pixel Dust Rom.

Will Pixel 2 XL present new challenges?

Factory images will be up soon and first round of devices shipping in weeks. Will 2 XL be similar enough to XL that the lessons learned by Root & Recovery developers on the XL will translate to working root and recovery coming straight away or are new challenges expected?

I remember Pixel 2 will come with Android 8, not 8.1. It should be quite similar for development.

So anyone have an opinion? Will we have Root & Recovery straight away or no?

Not sure about "straight away" but I know Pure Nexus dev @BeansTown106 purchased a 2 XL, so I imagine it'll be up and running as soon as he can cook it up the way he likes.

The entire dev community learned allot with the First Pixel.
I am looking forward to and confident that the Pixel 2XL will be supported.

I'm thinking XDA development will rock for this badboy device...

Well OK! Hoping device turns out to be stellar and developers have fun with it!

If you look at the pixel XL Dev forum vs say the s8+ Dev forum, it doesn't look as active or full of custom roms ect. I would of guessed other way around

Yeah.. compare to the Nexus 6 forum the original pixel is dead
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I hate to agree, but I noticed this also. The amount of development for the Pixel and Pixel XL is a lot less than Nexus phones of past. It seems like the OnePlus and even the LG G* phones are more popular with devs now. I was really surprised to see that after a year there is no offical version of Lineage OS for the original Pixel phones and still complications and difficulties with root and TWRP. The A/B partitions and extra security measures seem to create a lot of complicaitons.
I'm hoping that everything learned with the first Pixel phones will translate into more and better development for the Pixel 2 phones, but I wouldn't bet on it. I also think the high price of the Pixel phones is a barrier for a lot of devs.

cb474 said:
I hate to agree, but I noticed this also. The amount of development for the Pixel and Pixel XL is a lot less than Nexus phones of past. It seems like the OnePlus and even the LG G* phones are more popular with devs now. I was really surprised to see that after a year there is no offical version of Lineage OS for the original Pixel phones and still complications and difficulties with root and TWRP. The A/B partitions and extra security measures seem to create a lot of complicaitons.
I'm hoping that everything learned with the first Pixel phones will translate into more and better development for the Pixel 2 phones, but I wouldn't bet on it. I also think the high price of the Pixel phones is a barrier for a lot of devs.
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Was the Pixel / Pixel XL offered unlocked, or just carrier variants?

Az Biker said:
Was the Pixel / Pixel XL offered unlocked, or just carrier variants?
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They were offered unlocked straight from Google and locked from carriers like Verizon. Early on, an unlocking solution was found for Verizon models but patched with later Nougat update 7.1.2

I'm hoping for good things here but these phones are so good in factory form it will be hard to improve on. Security is also more important as phones have access to everything you have.

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Yeah.. compare to the Nexus 6 forum the original pixel is dead
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They have enough development. If you want 30 ROMs that's the same rehased crap, get a oneplus device.
All you need is some source built aosp

Wish chrome had adblock. That and adfree YouTube are the only things I root for. Maybe we will get lucky and the 2 XL won't have a dual boot partition.

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Actually the Verizon could be unlocked with Android stock 7.1 using depixel8... But 7.1.1 update took away this ability.. my replacement Verizon xl came with 7.1.1 so i sold it
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Edit: nvm this is a different thread
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Lawlrus said:
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If you want 30 ROMs that's the same rehased crap, get a oneplus device.
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Quit beating around the bush, how do you REALLY feel

Az Biker said:
Not sure about "straight away" but I know Pure Nexus dev @BeansTown106 purchased a 2 XL, so I imagine it'll be up and running as soon as he can cook it up the way he likes.
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This is great news! Pure Nexus is a great ROM and Beans does a fantastic job with it!

When Is Night Sight Officially Out?!

I know we can download an APK for camera P3 and get the feature but why is it taking so long for Google to release the official features advertised? It's been a month the device has been out now, do we have any official release dates?

Short answer: no one knows

Certainly is ridiculous, you advertise features that don't release with a phone. Between that and the memory issues they can't fix quick enough they wonder why they can't get people from Apple to convert over. Just terrible business...

If they're taking longer to iron out bugs and improve the feature, in my opinion they can take as long as they like.

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Certainly is ridiculous, you advertise features that don't release with a phone. Between that and the memory issues they can't fix quick enough they wonder why they can't get people from Apple to convert over. Just terrible business...
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It's not that big of a deal. It's only been out for 4 weeks. Plus, companies including Apple regularly advertise features that don't get added until after the device launches. The original portrait mode for Apple devices came out months after the phone launched.

ptm88 said:
Certainly is ridiculous, you advertise features that don't release with a phone. Between that and the memory issues they can't fix quick enough they wonder why they can't get people from Apple to convert over. Just terrible business...
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Apple users never convert, you should know that. Night mode will not make them either.
If you're simply dying for the feature there is an apk that will install a second app drawer camera with the feature until it's merged into the regular one.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they say at the Pixel reveal that it would come in November?

ptm88 said:
Certainly is ridiculous, you advertise features that don't release with a phone. Between that and the memory issues they can't fix quick enough they wonder why they can't get people from Apple to convert over. Just terrible business...
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It's not that big of a deal. It's only been out for 4 weeks. Plus, companies including Apple regularly advertise features that don't get added until after the device launches. The original portrait mode for Apple devices came out months after the phone launched.
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Not to forget the wireless charger which they announced during the iPhone X launch which is still not out.

To be fair they said it will come soon. so who cares, wait a few weeks. My guess December update.

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Not to forget the wireless charger which they announced during the iPhone X launch which is still not out.
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And the home pod took over a year to be released after it was announced. All companies suck at something

Not sure if common knowledge, but saw a post on Google about nightsight. So I clicked the link, which lead me to an official Google blog on it - I think it was written today - it states nightsight is coming in a camera update 'within the next few days'.
Keep your eyes peeled ?

Rolling out now!

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Rolling out now!
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Where do we get it? It's not on the updates in Google play.
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Eudeferrer said:
Where do we get it? It's not on the updates in Google play.
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https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/...ches-pixel-phones-today-get-now-apk-download/
I just downloaded, and installed.

jmartin72 said:
https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/...ches-pixel-phones-today-get-now-apk-download/
I just downloaded, and installed.
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nice thanks, gonna do the same now.
Was waiting on the official update because the official gcam works very well with google photos etc.
The camerap3 apk doesn't work very well with gphotos

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Thanks. Got it working. Very smooth.
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I installed and compared with the modified old apk.
It seems there is a slight quality decrease with the official one when you zoom and check. Old one is a little bit better. I have compared only the night site. Official app is sticking more to the lower ISO than old apk.
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nickporwal said:
I installed and compared with the modified old apk.
It seems there is a slight quality decrease with the official one when you zoom and check. Old one is a little bit better. I have compared only the night site. Official app is sticking more to the lower ISO than old apk.
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I actually find it better, the compression is better and less blurry compared to the old modified apk. Photos with night sight is sharper with this new update.

Jesh. What a differenc between the two. Night sight actually works well

I just got it on an update for official camera

Android Q Pop-up for Permissions?

I just downloaded beta 5 today on my 3xl and was looking forward to having this functionality
https://youtu.be/u6L8Q61N4fM?t=400
but alas.. I do not have it
Did they remove it? I really hope they didn't.

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I just downloaded beta 5 today on my 3xl and was looking forward to having this functionality
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but alas.. I do not have it
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I have been on beta 1-5 and never saw that. Ever. Not saying it didn't happen, but the phones they are showing are the pixel 2 saying pixel 3. Also that is the gsi version which is different than the pixel firmware. You lose more features going to a gsi and gain a few. I am sure that is one of them.

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I have been on beta 1-5 and never saw that. Ever. Not saying it didn't happen, but the phones they are showing are the pixel 2 saying pixel 3. Also that is the gsi version which is different than the pixel firmware. You lose more features going to a gsi and gain a few. I am sure that is one of them.
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That is quite odd. Especially coming from the xda youtube channel lol.

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That is quite odd. Especially coming from the xda youtube channel lol.
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That was a build of Q XDA got before the first beta came out.