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Liquipel

Thoughts on it? Has anybody ever tried it?
http://www.liquipel.com/

Looks cool but I believe you have to ship your device to them to apply it. Can't do that.

dtokarz said:
Looks cool but I believe you have to ship your device to them to apply it. Can't do that.
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Well if you're someone that is going to need this serious of water protection and want it done right, you'll be happy to spend a few days away from your phone to have it done.
I don't personally have a need for this, but I'm sure there are many that do.

The thunderbolt video looked a little iffy, the touchscreen was going crazy and after he pulled it out of the water, it was giving an SD card error.

spencer88 said:
The thunderbolt video looked a little iffy, the touchscreen was going crazy and after he pulled it out of the water, it was giving an SD card error.
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The touchscreen going crazy doesn't really mean much...the screen is capacitive, so it would respond to the water just like a finger (since the water would be conducive to the electrical impulses in the piping, his finger, etc...).
The problem with the SDCard is worrying, but I'm not sure why anyone who would *need* this kind of water protection wouldn't just buy a tough phone. I had one when I was on AT&T and I've left it at the bottom of a pool for a day, frozen it in ice, thrown it more times than I could count (I pitched and played left field in college...so it wasn't a short throw), and run it over with cars...it still works perfectly.
Point is, this kind of treatment is kind of meaningless. Anyone that needs it would just buy a phone properly created to sustain that kind of punishment, and anyone that didn't would have no reason to do it.

spencer88 said:
The thunderbolt video looked a little iffy, the touchscreen was going crazy and after he pulled it out of the water, it was giving an SD card error.
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The touchscreen is just responding to electrical impulses transfered via the water. Not a big deal.
The error was for the SIM card, not SDcard. Many modern HTC devices put the antennas solely in the back cover, so when you remove it, it has no service except emergency calls.

gnex not supported?
does it even matter which phone you select?

I'm skeptical. If it were possible to waterproof electronics completely using their process, I can't believe that their little company hasn't been snapped up by one of the big manufacturers, who could then release a whole line of waterproof products and make billions on everything from computers to toys.

lilirose said:
I'm skeptical. If it were possible to waterproof electronics completely using their process, I can't believe that their little company hasn't been snapped up by one of the big manufacturers, who could then release a whole line of waterproof products and make billions on everything from computers to toys.
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Most people don't need that much protection.
Sent from my Nexus in Texas.

@rbiter said:
Most people don't need that much protection.
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I disagree...having two kids and living in a wet area, if there really was a way to waterproof electronics using a thin coating that would allow complete immersion without damage, I'd be willing to pay a premium for items that are treated in that way, and I bet a lot of other people would, too.
I killed my SE X10 after dropping it in a sink of dishwater, and was pretty devastated by the total loss of the device....I've also had a Nintendo DSi end up in a bathtub and a Game Boy ruined by ending up in the bottom of a swimming bag under wet towels. Waterproofing would rawk, if it existed.
But I'm not sending my Gnex off to be coated and then taking the risk of immersing it to test it out, knowing that the warranty on it is void the instant I drop my precious phone off at the post office...

I'd be interested to see if it actually works. It intrigues me.

Liquipel

Just found out about this entire device waterproof coating called Liquipel. Looks pretty nice, what do you guys think? Worth it? Here are a couple videos where they demonstrate:
The videos are for the iPhone 4s, but they do the GS2 too. Their website has pricing and other info. I'm debating dropping the $60 for the process.
http://www.liquipel.com

This video is amazing! I can't believe that you can completely submerge a phone and it doesn't hurt it. Very cool.
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is it real?
Anyone try this yet?

jdyowa said:
Anyone try this yet?
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Seems legit, they were at CES 2012 demonstrating:
They are just starting up so I only found the second video I posted of someone who actually did it and reviewed it.

The only thing I wonder about is will you be able to remove the battery door to switch batteries. The iphone 4 doesnt have a battery door and I don't see how they would be able to apply this coating unless the battery door is permanently fixed to the device. Any thoughts on this?

rpolito73 said:
The only thing I wonder about is will you be able to remove the battery door to switch batteries. The iphone 4 doesnt have a battery door and I don't see how they would be able to apply this coating unless the battery door is permanently fixed to the device. Any thoughts on this?
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From what they say, this process coats the entire device inside and out, it doesn't seal any openings or anything preventing water from getting inside the phone. Removing the battery cover wouldn't do anything to compromise the coating. The only thing that would be susceptible to water damage would be the non coated battery you switch in. I'm pretty sure they'd even remove the battery cover and set it beside the phone in the gas chamber to promote better circulation through the phone in the coating process.
Every wire, circuit, etc will essentially have the effect of this finger coated in superhydrophobic powder, and therefore won't rely on any other part of the phone for protection from coming into contact with water:

Snake oil. When water enters the phone and the battery is not immediately removed the components start to degrade and or short out. The coatings in printed circuit board will start to interact with all of the dissimilar metals and electrolysis will eat away the connections. A wet phone is a ticking bomb so to speak.
You might have some success with this product depending how wet the phone got, how long ago, and was the battery removed right away. Then again, you can do the same with denatured alcohol....

I don't think this is made to be water proof, I think it's more of a water resistance, phone use in rain. Minor spill etc.
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This is not water proof. Only water resistant. The coating will also wear away eventually.
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anomy13 said:
This is not water proof. Only water resistant. The coating will also wear away eventually.
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Maybe on the outside, but the inner components won't be exposed to any touching or rubbing. How would it wear away?
And this is a preventative measure if you drop your phone in water/spill on it, they don't recommend you test it like they do in their demonstration.

ChauncyG said:
Snake oil. When water enters the phone and the battery is not immediately removed the components start to degrade and or short out. The coatings in printed circuit board will start to interact with all of the dissimilar metals and electrolysis will eat away the connections. A wet phone is a ticking bomb so to speak.
You might have some success with this product depending how wet the phone got, how long ago, and was the battery removed right away. Then again, you can do the same with denatured alcohol....
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But if the water isn't physically touching the components since it's repelled by the coating (see finger video) how would it do all that?

Well this was a video that went around a few months ago, from another company NeverWet. They had a video demonstrating the same with an iPhone but it seems to be gone now, and this was originally posted by the company itself on Youtube. Sounds to me that they probably licensed out their product to this Liquipel company.
They also have a few videos on their site if you look around at their applications. http://goo.gl/DlqsK

Hydroshock said:
Well this was a video that went around a few months ago, from another company NeverWet. They had a video demonstrating the same with an iPhone but it seems to be gone now, and this was originally posted by the company itself on Youtube. Sounds to me that they probably licensed out their product to this Liquipel company.
They also have a few videos on their site if you look around at their applications. http://goo.gl/DlqsK
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Yeah, I saw that video too. I'm going to buy a can of that stuff when they release it for consumer purchase. There are so many uses I can think of for it

From what I understand there where two companies who where doing this, one of them was liquipel and the other was HzO (or something like that) liquipel said that they well do it on already existing devices while HzO had to be done during the manufacture process. Liquipel said their services cost around $60 per device. If I am not mistaken it was covered by geekbeat.tv
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There is another company that is doing this, P2i. Applied at the end of the manufacturing process and already commercial according to the website... Coating is applied on the nanoscale and protects all compontents from water damage.

The canned stuff has been around for years. I remember picking up a can of this back in high school and coating all my baseball caps with it.

talltexan said:
The canned stuff has been around for years. I remember picking up a can of this back in high school and coating all my baseball caps with it.
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Do you remember what you used? Would it work on repelling liquids from shoes?
What I found:
http://www.outdoorpros.com/Prod/Nikwax-572-Nikwax-Tx-Direct-Spray-On-16-9-Oz/35514

I heard it doesn't last for ****!
Within a few months its completely gone, sun,wind and typical oils from your face eventually make it useless.
not 100% sure though.
I'm also sick of every single example or movie, is always showing a damn Iphone..
Yes more people own an iphone than any other single device, but they still only make up 28% of the market..
6 out of 10 people with cell phones have android
3 out of 10 people with cell phones have Iphones
Seriously... lol

jtroye32 said:
Maybe on the outside, but the inner components won't be exposed to any touching or rubbing. How would it wear away?
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Oxidation
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fastfed said:
I heard it doesn't last for ****!
Within a few months its completely gone, sun,wind and typical oils from your face eventually make it useless.
not 100% sure though.
I'm also sick of every single example or movie, is always showing a damn Iphone..
Yes more people own an iphone than any other single device, but they still only make up 28% of the market..
6 out of 10 people with cell phones have android
3 out of 10 people with cell phones have Iphones
Seriously... lol
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After reading this, I laughed so hard I spilled my bowl of cheerios and milk started spewing out my nose!
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[Q] Xperia ZL cover is peeling off

Hi
After 3 weeks I got this annoying problem. The external plastic layer that makes the cover mat is peeling off my phone on both sides (front and rear).
I brought it back to the store (Phone House Germany).
For me it's just a production problem, the glue that is detaching.
But the shop pretend it's my fault, and doesn't want to repair it for free, neither change the phone.
The are asking 335,72 EUR to repair it.
When the problem occurred I also had several reboots and sometimes the phone was very.
Both phenomena occurs even when not using the phone. I had reboots at night when sleeping. Or the phone became very hot in my pocket.
My suspicion is that the glue is detaching due to the phone becoming to hot.
My question is, are there other people who also have the problem with the cover that begins to peel off ?
In attachment you can see a photo of the cover.

i didnt find any issue because my XZL is white,
why its your fault man ? i think that is product defect.
can you give more picture, front side.

kickthefreak said:
i didnt find any issue because my XZL is white,
why its your fault man ? i think that is product defect.
can you give more picture, front side.
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That's what I'm asking the Phone House, prove me that it's my fault (the have to due to article 5 point 3 from the Directive 1999/44/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 25 May 1999 on certain aspects of the sale of consumer goods and associated guarantees).
Article 5
3. Unless proved otherwise, any lack of conformity which becomes apparent within six months of delivery of the goods shall be presumed to have existed at the time of delivery unless this presumption is incompatible with the nature of the goods or the nature of the lack of conformity.
But I can not send any more pictures. My phone is already since 18-5-2013 at the phone house (repair center w-support.com GmbH).

I've seen this before and I think phone house has too, that might be why they don't want to repair it. This happens if you get some cleaning agents on the phone. Some window/glass cleaner does this. You either got some on your phone directly, touched your phone with some on your hands or put the phone on a surface that has just been cleaned with some.
A friend had this problem and also send the phone back. Either way, the seller has not to pay for repair.
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Sirence said:
I've seen this before and I think phone house has too, that might be why they don't want to repair it. This happens if you get some cleaning agents on the phone. Some window/glass cleaner does this. You either got some on your phone directly, touched your phone with some on your hands or put the phone on a surface that has just been cleaned with some.
A friend had this problem and also send the phone back. Either way, the seller has not to pay for repair.
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oh i see this is why the problem happen on black version, because white version is flat on the back and made by plastic

kickthefreak said:
oh i see this is why the problem happen on black version, because white version is flat on the back and made by plastic
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I'm just a bit confused since he said it's peeling of at the front and the back. My front is made completely out of glass, I don't see what could peel of there?
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Sirence said:
I'm just a bit confused since he said it's peeling of at the front and the back. My front is made completely out of glass, I don't see what could peel of there?
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maybe he mean peel off the screenguard on front.

dmeerpa said:
That's what I'm asking the Phone House, prove me that it's my fault (the have to due to article 5 point 3 from the Directive 1999/44/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 25 May 1999 on certain aspects of the sale of consumer goods and associated guarantees).
Article 5
3. Unless proved otherwise, any lack of conformity which becomes apparent within six months of delivery of the goods shall be presumed to have existed at the time of delivery unless this presumption is incompatible with the nature of the goods or the nature of the lack of conformity.
But I can not send any more pictures. My phone is already since 18-5-2013 at the phone house (repair center w-support.com GmbH).
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Don't give up. It's definitely not your fault. Do you have authorized SONY service centers in Germany? Here in India, we have them, although the staff over there are incompetent and pathetic. We go directly to the service centers to get the faults corrected. If they are really hell bent on proving that it's your fault then head to the consumer forums and lodge a case against them. This is unacceptable. Btw, does it look that way only when you view from one particular angle?

dmeerpa said:
Hi
After 3 weeks I got this annoying problem. The external plastic layer that makes the cover mat is peeling off my phone on both sides (front and rear).
I brought it back to the store (Phone House Germany).
For me it's just a production problem, the glue that is detaching.
But the shop pretend it's my fault, and doesn't want to repair it for free, neither change the phone.
The are asking 335,72 EUR to repair it.
When the problem occurred I also had several reboots and sometimes the phone was very.
Both phenomena occurs even when not using the phone. I had reboots at night when sleeping. Or the phone became very hot in my pocket.
My suspicion is that the glue is detaching due to the phone becoming to hot.
My question is, are there other people who also have the problem with the cover that begins to peel off ?
In attachment you can see a photo of the cover.
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wow its the first time i see that on a phone, if u said that it happens when it gets hot, it can be a battery problem as your phone is restarting. dude that really sucks, now that i saw that i wont change my white ZL to the black ZL..... dont give up SONY must replace your phone.

Neither Sony nor phonehouse has to pay when someone gets chemicals on their phone. And those picture sure looks like he did. Maybe he even cleaned his phone with some cleaning agents since it's not only one spot but several. Getting worse when hot could be a reaction of the chemicals in the cleaning agents.
I am sure most phones don't react well to chemicals.
If Sony has to start paying when people don't treat their phone the right way they'll have to stop selling phones at all pretty soon or they'll end up broke.
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Sirence said:
I've seen this before and I think phone house has too, that might be why they don't want to repair it. This happens if you get some cleaning agents on the phone. Some window/glass cleaner does this. You either got some on your phone directly, touched your phone with some on your hands or put the phone on a surface that has just been cleaned with some.
A friend had this problem and also send the phone back. Either way, the seller has not to pay for repair.
Sent from my C6506 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
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Sirence said:
Neither Sony nor phonehouse has to pay when someone gets chemicals on their phone. And those picture sure looks like he did. Maybe he even cleaned his phone with some cleaning agents since it's not only one spot but several. Getting worse when hot could be a reaction of the chemicals in the cleaning agents.
I am sure most phones don't react well to chemicals.
If Sony has to start paying when people don't treat their phone the right way they'll have to stop selling phones at all pretty soon or they'll end up broke.
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No I didn't touch any cleaning products at all. Not at home or to clean the phone.
The problem started during my vacation. I was at a hotel where I do not have to clean or work.
Sirence said:
I'm just a bit confused since he said it's peeling of at the front and the back. My front is made completely out of glass, I don't see what could peel of there?
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maybe he mean peel off the screenguard on front.
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No not at all, its really a very tine film that's glued on the plastic cover at the back and front of the phone.
In front I mean the very fine edge around the screen. It's not really visible but I can feel it, that's it became rough.
A320232 said:
Btw, does it look that way only when you view from one particular angle?
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It's from every angle visible. The black cover is in fact very glossy. It seems covered with a very thin plastic film to rend the cover matte.
It's that film that came lose. Every where that it has been removed the phone is now glossy black. The glossy black plastic looks very cheap

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No I didn't touch any cleaning products at all. Not at home or to clean the phone.
The problem started during my vacation. I was at a hotel where I do not have to clean or work.
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No not at all, its really a very tine film that's glued on the plastic cover at the back and front of the phone.
In front I mean the very fine edge around the screen. It's not really visible but I can feel it, that's it became rough.
It's from every angle visible. The black cover is in fact very glossy. It seems covered with a very thin plastic film to rend the cover matte.
It's that film that came lose. Every where that it has been removed the phone is now glossy black. The glossy black plastic looks very cheap
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well if its my phone and sony dont want to replace/fix that i would take off all that plastic or buy a black housing. and just replace the back part.

After 4 months I got my phone back...but still not repaired. The way I was treated by The Phone House has made it for me a matter of principe.
They keep saying the damage was my fault.
Following article 5 point 3 of 'Directive 1999/44/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 25 May 1999 on certain aspects of the sale of consumer goods and associated guarantees ', they need to prove it. During this 4 monts they never did. They send me away with a lettre coming from Sony Xperia Support Germany where they state that they damage was caused by a cleaning product or other chemical.
If they think in German that Belgian are stupid, then they are wrong. I studied industrial informatics and I did had courses in physics and chemistry also. So I know that you need special and expensive equipment en products to conclude such thing. They didn't even look at they extreem heating problem of the phone. That may be an software issue, but the phone should be shut off before it becomes burning hot.
But I got one luck, my professional client is the Belgian Federal Police. I already contacted yesterday some of my relations at the police and monday he will look if the cover can be investigate by a forensic team of the federal judicial police. In that case I will be able to prove Sony and the Phone House that no chemicals where found on the cover. And that they were lying. And in that case I will let them sue for fraud.

That is one weird problem. I have had my phone for over 5 months without any cases or screen protectors and it is scratch free and not peeling.
...did you spill caustic acid all over it?
Joking aside might be a manufacturing defect as from the 3 people I know that have had this phone for a couple months without these issues.

Have you put your Z1C underwater?

hey guys. I've got this phone for a month now but still haven't checked the waterproofness. Did you try it the first day you got it? should I be super careful with this? I'm scared. I even though it's advertised as waterproof..

Yeap, I've tried it underwater. The screen responsiveness changes, else everything works, including the camera.

not worth the risk, there are enough reports about water damage

I'm tried to test the limits of the phone (i know it could be ridiculous). So I've swum for more than an hour and the phone was under more or less 1,5 m (limit recommended by Sony). It has survived for a moment...Once out i dried it. It has worked for some hours until the battery comes empty. No way to charge it anyway, a component of my battery was dead...I've send it to repair center claiming I had only let it fall in water and they replaced it by a new one
moral of the history don't try to put it in the water just for fun

I have used mine on water several times for several hours, and it's still working fine.
In fact I have tried it the very first day, this way if it's waterproofing was flawed, I would have returned it under warranty.
Now that my phone is more than a year old, i am obviously less keen to put it under water.

I've made lots videos underwater. Dunk phone in beer, whiskey. Dropped it in river. It even got some salty water after i remembered it beeing forbidden.
The phone is waterproof. If not warranty replaces for free. If you got by third party then they often try to make some bs excuse not to deal with it.
The golden rule: if you use miniusb to charge you wear out the rubber flap and it will not be waterproof, if you use dock you won't have this problem.

New Folder said:
I've made lots videos underwater. Dunk phone in beer, whiskey. Dropped it in river. It even got some salty water after i remembered it beeing forbidden.
The phone is waterproof. If not warranty replaces for free. If you got by third party then they often try to make some bs excuse not to deal with it.
The golden rule: if you use miniusb to charge you wear out the rubber flap and it will not be waterproof, if you use dock you won't have this problem.
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Not at all: Sony even explicitly states that water damage is not their problem. If you trick them, or if you're nice, they might help you out, but they're under no obligation to.

dazzerfong said:
Not at all: Sony even explicitly states that water damage is not their problem. If you trick them, or if you're nice, they might help you out, but they're under no obligation to.
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Where i bought it from they said water damage is under warranty.
Why would they advertise the phone in water or spilling water on it if the warranty won't cover it? The salesperson dunk the phone in water to show it was fully waterproof and without leaks before selling it to me.

New Folder said:
Where i bought it from they said water damage is under warranty.
Why would they advertise the phone in water or spilling water on it if the warranty won't cover it? The salesperson dunk the phone in water to show it was fully waterproof and without leaks before selling it to me.
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That's a salesman tactic, but there's no guarantee. If you don't believe me, feel free to and go ahead and go nuts with your phone.
BTW, who told you it's under warranty? The sales staff? I personally asked a technical support person this question (in lieu of some other problems I had) this, and they said no, it's not covered under warranty.

You should be very careful if you try it underwater.. On my first time, the micro usb cover opened up and the phone was damaged, with no warranty by anyone ?
I had to open it up and dry it with hair dryer for an hour.. (and since then it's still non-waterproof)
Conclusion - be careful ?
Sent from my D5503

My phone got damaged by water in the third time that I put it under water. Seems like due overheating (I was playing, charging and wearing a bumper case at the same time) the back and the back frame unglued in the Sim tray area. I remembered how the screen started to flick and how the water comes out from Sim tray ?. I used a hair dryer and at this moment the phone is working fine?. I replaced the back frame (also, it solves the gaps in the middle where are the magnetic charging and the Lock/Volume buttons). By now, I am waiting the rear cover, it should arrive in 15days. But after that bad experience I won't put the phone in water anymore.

Btw, does anybody knows if there's a difference between fresh water and seawater/ pool water?
I've been told from Sony that the warranty is only on fresh water damage..
Sent from my D5503

Salt water leaves salty residue on the phone and is also more corrosive than fresh water. So, Sony won't cover damage in salt water.
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Submerged my z1c in a glass of water upon getting it just to check if it's waterproof. A week later, i used it at the beach and it got submerged pretty often in saltwater that day but no water damage. Occasionally i wash my phone with soap under running water maybe every 2-4 weeks(I'm a germaphobe...) My friends also like to take my phone and submerge it in water randomly for fun. I guess it's also because of me that a number of them ended up buying the z2 and later z3 :laugh:

dazzerfong said:
That's a salesman tactic, but there's no guarantee. If you don't believe me, feel free to and go ahead and go nuts with your phone.
BTW, who told you it's under warranty? The sales staff? I personally asked a technical support person this question (in lieu of some other problems I had) this, and they said no, it's not covered under warranty.
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We have local Sony technics who said that. They work couple blocks away from my house and i actually did pay a visit there.

New Folder said:
We have local Sony technics who said that. They work couple blocks away from my house and i actually did pay a visit there.
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Same here.. They said that I'll have warranty only on damage from fresh water, not seawater etc.
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ok thank you all for replies and sorry for being so inactive.
I'm not going to dump it in the water on purpose I think. Even if it's sold as waterproof I'm scared. it was too expensive and it's too amazing phone to just kill it for no reason.
also yes I'm going to buy a dock asap.
thank you again guys!

nas93 said:
Submerged my z1c in a glass of water upon getting it just to check if it's waterproof. A week later, i used it at the beach and it got submerged pretty often in saltwater that day but no water damage. Occasionally i wash my phone with soap under running water maybe every 2-4 weeks(I'm a germaphobe...) My friends also like to take my phone and submerge it in water randomly for fun. I guess it's also because of me that a number of them ended up buying the z2 and later z3 [emoji23]
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I wipe my phone every day with a wet towel [emoji14]
but mostly to erase fingerprints etc.

mag cable instead of dock
Ephixi4 said:
ok thank you all for replies and sorry for being so inactive.
I'm not going to dump it in the water on purpose I think. Even if it's sold as waterproof I'm scared. it was too expensive and it's too amazing phone to just kill it for no reason.
also yes I'm going to buy a dock asap.
thank you again guys!
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About the dock.... It might be cheaper to just buy the mag cable if you want to use your phone while it's charging and save some money. Amazon has a few brands selling these types of cables or adapters when i last bought mine. Or you can check with the stores where you live.
http://www.amazon.com/Magnector-Improved-Performance-Magnetic-Charging/dp/B00Q3GK3YI/

nas93 said:
About the dock.... It might be cheaper to just buy the mag cable if you want to use your phone while it's charging and save some money. Amazon has a few brands selling these types of cables or adapters when i last bought mine. Or you can check with the stores where you live.
http://www.amazon.com/Magnector-Improved-Performance-Magnetic-Charging/dp/B00Q3GK3YI/
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actually I meant just the cable but thank you!
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does note 7 cover water damage ?

as above

Ironically no. Better take advantage of that recall while it lasts.

Aimara said:
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No, it is specifically excluded

Fyi....there is still 2 of those lovely white stickers inside the phone... if you get those wet...then you maybe out of luck....one on the motherboard near the sim slot tray......you can probably see it from if you remove the tray and look hard inside......the second one is near the charging port.. this one u cant see unless you open up the phone.....
But there is a recall going on...so you can still exchange it no question asked.....

Ambrosios said:
Fyi....there is still 2 of those lovely white stickers inside the phone... if you get those wet...then you maybe out of luck....one on the motherboard near the sim slot tray......you can probably see it from if you remove the tray and look hard inside......the second one is near the charging port.. this one u cant see unless you open up the phone.....
But there is a recall going on...so you can still exchange it no question asked.....
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I'm pretty sure these stickers won't get wet with normal usage, it's for when someone puts it deeper than its supposed to be or for when someone puts it under water without the Sim tray to test if it will die, etc.
It kinda makes sense cause people would just destroy them on purpose so they could get a new one.

generally they will test them if you say it got wet and died, they would likely do a similar test as they do for waterproof watches to make sure the device water tight. as if they are advertising it as waterproof if it isn't they technically have to repair the device as the phone isn't fit for purpose.

Travis Bickle said:
I'm pretty sure these stickers won't get wet with normal usage, it's for when someone puts it deeper than its supposed to be or for when someone puts it under water without the Sim tray to test if it will die, etc.
It kinda makes sense cause people would just destroy them on purpose so they could get a new one.
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you are correct......water damage is still water damage.......if the stickers inside the phone is "tripped".....the phone is no longer cover under warranty......
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Belimawr said:
generally they will test them if you say it got wet and died, they would likely do a similar test as they do for waterproof watches to make sure the device water tight. as if they are advertising it as waterproof if it isn't they technically have to repair the device as the phone isn't fit for purpose.
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if it was advertised as waterproof......you will be correct....but the note 7 is not waterproof....its water-resistant...........IP68 is water/dust resistant up to 5 ft up to 30 minutes.......
anything deeper/longer....the pressure underwater may affect the strip that is surrounding the sim tray........same with the mesh on the speaker....
even for watches....its waterproof/water resistant to a certain depth...........just like a sub......the hulls start to bulk below certain depth...

Ambrosios said:
you are correct......water damage is still water damage.......if the stickers inside the phone is "tripped".....the phone is no longer cover under warranty......
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if it was advertised as waterproof......you will be correct....but the note 7 is not waterproof....its water-resistant...........IP68 is water/dust resistant up to 5 ft up to 30 minutes.......
anything deeper/longer....the pressure underwater may affect the strip that is surrounding the sim tray........same with the mesh on the speaker....
even for watches....its waterproof/water resistant to a certain depth...........just like a sub......the hulls start to bulk below certain depth...
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You are correct. And i will add, even though IPX8 (the first 6 means dust protection) means water resistance (not water proof) for some depth... you have to take into account movement or splash. So if you go swimming, even if you are in that range... your movement will create more pressure and thus you break the limit. Also don't go under shower the splash from the water will increase pressure. The thing is pressure is measured using something and tech companies say something else. You can calculate from depth (meters) into pressure (bars or whatever)... so in fact only when you'll see a IPX8 at 100 meters than you can go swim/dive/shower... until that just relax when you wash your hands or it rains... no more
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ok i found this teardown video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiksU8Afr-4

It seems the new iPhone is not covered at all for water damage. Any experts want to clarify the difference in warranties
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magichoward said:
It seems the new iPhone is not covered at all for water damage. Any experts want to clarify the difference in warranties
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It's like I said before it's water resistant up to a certain point on the outside......its the same for any water resistant electronics.....as long as the stickers inside the phone is valid.....you are fine.....it is "trips"...you are sol......
Read some of the comments earlier in this thread as to explanation why that is......water pressure and stuff like that....
Also one thing to note also is that tests were made in control environments......which means that water temperature and water density may also plays a part in water resistant.....putting a phone in sea water may deteriorate the resistant faster than like tab water....
I am sure that iPhone has somethinf familiar to ensure that the phone is used for its intend purposes.....they cant prevent people from diving with the phone.....so they have a mechanism to ensure that proper care is maintained for the phone

There is no phone yet that would cover water dmg. Samsung made it resistant so small dips in pool or lake is ok. Also without S Pen N7 might be more or less prone to water dmg. When i get mine I will activate the Galaxy Care app and test the sh*t out of its water resistance

If the water exposure is within the stated IP68 limits, but the phone does not perform as advertised and suffers water damage, Samsung is legally obliged to repair or replace it even if their warranty states otherwise. If the water exposure exceeds IP68 limits, then of course Samsung has no liability for resulting damage.