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So let's talk about the bad

Okay so don't nobody want to talk about what they don't like... Well here's mines comparing it to the epic 4g
The phone (4G touch) is the coldest out, just want to put that out there.
The graphics or camera don't meet the expectations as a part2 of this phone.
that's the only thing I can say thats wrong with this phone...
I'm not trolling, just giving my opinion.
Just got the phone today so don't cuss me out because I said this.
But still again I'm still playing with it.
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Graphics or camera?!?
I think you nedx to play nova 2 hd and take a few 1080p videos and then check back in....
The camera is the best I seen on a phone (in person)
And graphics are amazing... Better than any dual core phone imo
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trow-uhllllll
Aside from the fact that when I read OP I was all like "what is this I don't even", if we are to assume that he intends to take exception with the "graphics or camera" I must profess, with as stiff an upper lip as I can muster, that I would prefer he were to GTFO with his trolling.
If by some peculiar stretch of the internet's good will OP has truly spoken with veracity of his mind and thoughts, well, I think it goes without saying that the sooner his opinion be disregarded the better.
I've never seen a better cellphone camera, hands down, ever. I'm pretty blown away. So far as "graphics" are concerned--as vacuous as such a statement is--we'll assume he means anything to do with 3D graphic rendering and/or reproduction. Also the finest performance I've ever seen on a cell phone. Sure, it isn't qHD, but if that is a surprise to you it would suit you well to stop purchasing bleeding edge smartphones without knowing what the hell you are talking about.

The bad:
Supplies charging cable too short.
I guess no phone can be perfect

My dislike is the screen wake lagg, and which will just doubtedly be fixed in a rom or kernel and it won't make me any food??? I'm waiting though..
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I just wish this phone was able to make me a sammich and get me a beer.

The camera is pretty sweet, though the Epic was good too. (My N8 smashes it, but then again that's that phone's main selling point.)
I haven't used it long enough to check out the radios, but it seems like Samsung pulled it together.
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I agree - the bad being the shortest charging cable I've ever seen! Barely reaches the top of the nightstand...
Fortunately easily solved on Amazon - actual Samsung branded car charger cord for $4, home charger with longer cord for $6, $1.50 for a longer Samsung USB cable...
I was also disappointed that it didn't come with a micro SD card. My buddy's DroidX I think has 16gb onboard, and came with a 16gb card too. To me, 16gb onboard is more than I need, but for a "superphone" dolled up with all these extras and details, figured they wouldn't go cheap on the power cord and no SD card.
I'm only partly disappointed that the screen resolution isn't 960x540 like the Bionic and a few others. It's not really any disadvantage, and I'd easily pick the rich colors and ridiculously black blacks over a higher res anyday - so much easier on the eyes. But mostly on principal - I'm still shaking my head that the iPhone 4 has been out so long, and it should have been 3 weeks (I'm exaggerating) before other phones came out with screens of either similar pixel density or resolution. It's not rocket science, and Apple does all their manufacturing through contract manufacturers for this stuff... a true OEM like Samsung should be able to nail that one pretty easily, right?
Also saw some GPS numbers on another thread that showed only ho-hum GPS reception... the comparison phone walked all over it. But (to stay positive), if there was a radio/antenna to skimp out on, I'm glad it was this one.

Bigjim1488 said:
The bad:
Supplies charging cable too short.
I guess no phone can be perfect
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haha seriously. I unraveled it and looked in the box for the rest of it.

jirafabo said:
haha seriously. I unraveled it and looked in the box for the rest of it.
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Lmfao me too!!!

I much prefer this phone over my 3D for many reasons. I can't think of an existing phone I'd rather have but I will say
The EVO 3D got better data speeds for me - that is based on regular test in the same location.
I prefer sense but that is a matter of opinion.
This thing seems to take longer to charge than any phone I've had using the AD charger.

daneurysm said:
trow-uhllllll
Aside from the fact that when I read OP I was all like "what is this I don't even", if we are to assume that he intends to take exception with the "graphics or camera" I must profess, with as stiff an upper lip as I can muster, that I would prefer he were to GTFO with his trolling.
If by some peculiar stretch of the internet's good will OP has truly spoken with veracity of his mind and thoughts, well, I think it goes without saying that the sooner his opinion be disregarded the better.
I've never seen a better cellphone camera, hands down, ever. I'm pretty blown away. So far as "graphics" are concerned--as vacuous as such a statement is--we'll assume he means anything to do with 3D graphic rendering and/or reproduction. Also the finest performance I've ever seen on a cell phone. Sure, it isn't qHD, but if that is a surprise to you it would suit you well to stop purchasing bleeding edge smartphones without knowing what the hell you are talking about.
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I ****ing HOWLED as I read this. So funny because it's so true.
I picture the guy typing this as Brad Neely's BabyCakes.
Lmao.
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bobbywat said:
Okay so don't nobody want to talk about what they don't like... Well here's mines comparing it to the epic 4g
The phone (4G touch) is the coldest out, just want to put that out there.
The graphics or camera don't meet the expectations as a part2 of this phone.
that's the only thing I can say ttys wrong with this phone...
I'm not trolling, just giving my opinion.
Just got the phone today so don't cuss me out becauseI said this.
But still again I'm still playing with it.
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I don't like that USB Host is disabled and wifi only does'nt do infrastructure.

The bad would be battery life for me anyway and closing of games while playing

WOW... You guy's are hard, I said I wasn't Trolling but whatever.
I took a picture with my old Epic and then my wife took the same pic with her Nexes 4G and I compared all pic's and the Epic 4G and Nexes 4g had better pic quality than my new Epic 4G touch.
But that's not a deal breaker I still love the phone.
And the charger cord is to short ( LOL ) But I have a lot of them around the house.
Well enough about this... TIME TO ROOT THIS BABY!

Bigjim1488 said:
The bad:
Supplies charging cable too short.
I guess no phone can be perfect
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I don't like that USB Host is disabled and wifi only does'nt do infrastructure.
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Agreed!
My only other complaint is the phone doesn't store my screen timeout settings through reboot nor my contact shortcuts using buddy now. After every boot I have to change this again. It is a bit frustrating. Anyone else having that issue? Other than these mentioned things the phone is amazing and I will have a hard time getting anything else for quite some time I think.

bobbywat said:
WOW... You guy's are hard, I said I wasn't Trolling but whatever.
I took a picture with my old Epic and then my wife took the same pic with her Nexes 4G and I compared all pic's and the Epic 4G and Nexes 4g had better pic quality than my new Epic 4G touch.
But that's not a deal breaker I still love the phone.
And the charger cord is to short ( LOL ) But I have a lot of them around the house.
Well enough about this... TIME TO ROOT THIS BABY!
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People are going to assume trolling when they read your original post and go... English MFer! Do you speak it?!?!?!
No one seriously wants to decipher the gibberish you spewed. I, personally, am still confused about your point.

boe said:
I much prefer this phone over my 3D for many reasons. I can't think of an existing phone I'd rather have but I will say
The EVO 3D got better data speeds for me - that is based on regular test in the same location.
I prefer sense but that is a matter of opinion.
This thing seems to take longer to charge than any phone I've had using the AD charger.
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I agree I love this phone but the data speeds are a little low. I got with full bars of 4g on my evo 3d 2200 kbs and on my epic touch I am lucky to get 1100 kbs that is the main thing I see wrong or that I dont like about this phone. But that can be easily fixed with a radio update like they did on the 3d.
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I was a little disappointed that the E4GT will not walk my dog for me. I hear the new quad core phones coming out in Q1 2012 will and I can't wait for that. Other than that, this phone blows away anything else I have had....and I have had them all......

Apple will use hydrogen cell battery?

No kidding? How is this possible? I meant, is this just a concept or Apple did have implementation already?
I dont quite understand the patent sytem in the US, but you can patent an idea, right?
Why cant Google and Samsung or HTC or hundreds of other manufacturers could not think anything like this?
This will make our GN more awesome! Instead of us now searching extended battery for the GN GSM model.
I meant, we still even fragmented on accesories level!
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...needing-recharge/story-e6frfku0-1226230442242

patents are just ideas and apple is not the first with this one just the first to patent it . Also you will nit see this in real life for years its just an idea
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I highly doubt that will happen as you would need to refill the cells with hydrogen when it finishes discharging. It would definitely mean pricier devices/upkeep.
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You won't see this in the next 25 years.

martonikaj said:
You won't see this in the next 25 years.
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I won't put dates on it.. but this kind of technology would be seen in laptops long before it arrives on a phone..

That's why ideas should not have patents. If you can't even produce a prototype why should you be granted rights to it
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xyzulu said:
I won't put dates on it.. but this kind of technology would be seen in laptops long before it arrives on a phone..
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Well I'm not saying that exactly 25 years from now we'll have this. But I think its important to understand that we won't see any technology like this in a long, long time.

MattSkeet said:
That's why ideas should not have patents. If you can't even produce a prototype why should you be granted rights to it
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Reminds me of a report I read recently about why the patent system is in such a mess, in particular in the USA.
You may well be correct, but as it stands, there is a lot of $$$"s to be made patenting ideas and later taking legal action against companies/people that use a similar idea.

If this is just an idea, and can be patented, that is just unfair, no?
So basically, I can simply sleep to dream something and patent it .. Like I will patent Water Fueled Battery ... Or Oxygen Cell Battery .. And draw something imaginary equipment.
Is that it?
My goodness me ...

gogol said:
If this is just an idea, and can be patented, that is just unfair, no?
So basically, I can simply sleep to dream something and patent it .. Like I will patent Water Fueled Battery ... Or Oxygen Cell Battery .. And draw something imaginary equipment.
Is that it?
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.. about right problem is however, the water fueled battery is probably already patented

gogol said:
No kidding? How is this possible? I meant, is this just a concept or Apple did have implementation already?
I dont quite understand the patent sytem in the US, but you can patent an idea, right?
Why cant Google and Samsung or HTC or hundreds of other manufacturers could not think anything like this?
This will make our GN more awesome! Instead of us now searching extended battery for the GN GSM model.
I meant, we still even fragmented on accesories level!
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...needing-recharge/story-e6frfku0-1226230442242
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A patent is not as much an idea as it is a method or procedure to achieve an objective. Others can apply for patents on hydrogen fuel cells in mobile devices as long as there is a material difference in the method or procedure in which the objective is obtained by contrast to what Apple is filing. And while Apple may have filed these claims, there is no guarantee they will be approved. We do not know who else has filed similar applications before Apple a.k.a. prior art or whether or not Apple's claims are too broad/obvious.

Just a PR stunt, get over it. Good time to publish "news" like this as it's otherwise relatively quiet on the news front.

ianwood said:
A patent is not as much an idea as it is a method or procedure to achieve an objective. Others can apply for patents on hydrogen fuel cells in mobile devices as long as there is a material difference in the method or procedure in which the objective is obtained by contrast to what Apple is filing. And while Apple may have filed these claims, there is no guarantee they will be approved. We do not know who else has filed similar applications before Apple a.k.a. prior art or whether or not Apple's claims are too broad/obvious.
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Most of the people lost the clue what patents really are for.
Imagine if the light bulb wasn't invented till tomorrow and apple would hold a patent for glass object that produces light (put more complex description if you wish) before It was actually produced by someone. Who should really hold the patent here?
Apple or person that made the lightbulb?
If you can't implement your idea in real life and just have it on the paper you should not have rights to it.
How many theories were wrong on the paper? Make it happen get a prototype or something....
Plain piece of paper with a description of how something is going to work or explaining the purpose is not going to change our lives... I fair enough it speeds up the invention cos people have to work around it but still its not fair...
Same goes to design patents... If something is common as a frigging loaf of bread it should not be patented... Aka design of portable device with a touch screen and a button (or not)
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Its all fun and games until this happens:
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800-APL-CARE

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Its all fun and games until this happens:
800-APL-CARE
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Hydrogen cell != hydrogen bomb
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gogol said:
No kidding? How is this possible? I meant, is this just a concept or Apple did have implementation already?
I dont quite understand the patent sytem in the US, but you can patent an idea, right?
Why cant Google and Samsung or HTC or hundreds of other manufacturers could not think anything like this?
This will make our GN more awesome! Instead of us now searching extended battery for the GN GSM model.
I meant, we still even fragmented on accesories level!
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...needing-recharge/story-e6frfku0-1226230442242
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In the USA you can patent ridiculous things, and then sue everyones ass for it too.
If you walk on the street, and trip on a rock, you can probably sue the company that made the sidewalk.. no joke

dario3040 said:
In the USA you can patent ridiculous things, and then sue everyones ass for it too.
If you walk on the street, and trip on a rock, you can probably sue the company that made the sidewalk.. no joke
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Lol.
Even now we can find reports of phones heating up and exploding... Imagine what would happen with a hydrogen cell
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deeren said:
Lol.
Even now we can find reports of phones heating up and exploding... Imagine what would happen with a hydrogen cell
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I bet they aren't really trying to push it out to the market, but rather do a lot of testing first.
We won't see this in phone until at least 2020. Even that's an early date.

I have no idea how this would ever work is it would need hydrogen input at every charge and also expel water when using power.
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jpalo said:
Just a PR stunt, get over it. Good time to publish "news" like this as it's otherwise relatively quiet on the news front.
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Exactly.
GR36 said:
I have no idea how this would ever work is it would need hydrogen input at every charge and also expel water when using power.
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The idea has been around for longer than I can remember, but yeah implementation just isn't practical right now. I mean the big car companies haven't been able to make it anywhere near practical or economical for cars yet, so scaling to something like a phone is a long long way off.
I also find it funny how they propel these ideas as if they are going to save us from the mass energy problem we have. You still need to 'charge' these cells - all they are is a clean storage mechanism. You still need to generate the energy somehow - so that paragraph in that news story from the patent just makes me laugh.
If anyone is still under any illusion this is going to happen 'soon' read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle#Fuel_cell

[Q] Galaxy Nexus (ENGINEERING) Model?

Hey Everyone... Originally when I got my GNEX, I could have sworn that when I tried to unlock/root it, it had been easier than a lot of the instructions, but I didn't think too much about it at the time. (I got it directly from a VZW wireless store) I think at this point, it was already unlocked. Now that I've changed phones, I wanted to prep this one for selling, and I was trying to follow instructions on how to reset/relock the phone, but it doesn't seem to let me lock it with the fastboot oem lock commands... but if this is an engineering build, should I even bother? Or can I sell it as is and just state factory unlocked?
Here is an image of my "About Phone" after flashing back the google images that I downloaded from here: https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/mysid-icl53f-factory-65895fa8.tgz
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Should this be ok to sell in this state? My plan was to ebay it, but I don't want to get in any trouble.

Not ur fault they sold you it. Profit on ebay
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aimetti said:
Not ur fault they sold you it. Profit on ebay
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Yep, I would list it as "Factory Unlocked", you aren't the one who screwed up

jdk82 said:
Yep, I would list it as "Factory Unlocked", you aren't the one who screwed up
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Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask, but I tried -looking- for a factory unlocked CDMA version to judge it against, and can't even seem to find any, am I just missing something? Are people selling them somewhere else?

You won't find a "Factory Unlocked" model, AFAIK they don't make them. What you have is somewhat unique, although not that useful since it's a Nexus device. If you want more info on what exactly you have this thread has a decent overview if you read the first 2 pages: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1461386 Bottom line, your fine to sell it as is.

To the right person you will get more just because it is an engineering model! If I were you I would bank on that!!

WiredPirate said:
To the right person you will get more just because it is an engineering model! If I were you I would bank on that!!
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I thought about that too when I first read the post. But, since this is a Nexus device to begin with, does that really get you anything?

I doubt it gets you anything but I want one lol. I'd pay maybe $20 more than a normal one but beyond that I'd get a stock. Someone may want it just to have it like me though.
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jdk82 said:
I thought about that too when I first read the post. But, since this is a Nexus device to begin with, does that really get you anything?
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Gahh Its Lee said:
I doubt it gets you anything but I want one lol. I'd pay maybe $20 more than a normal one but beyond that I'd get a stock. Someone may want it just to have it like me though.
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The one post answers the other lol. It gets you at least $20 more, and to the right person even more, depending on the person!

Good luck let us know if it sells for more.
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Gahh Its Lee said:
Good luck let us know if it sells for more.
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Will do. Kinda bummed about the selling prices in general, haven't been able to decide what to list it for. Gonna throw it up with no reserve and see what happens.

Put rare and what not in it.
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If its rare people will pay, just due to the fact that no one else can get it.
I personally am the type of person you want to sell this to. I buy tons of stuff for hundreds more just because I collect tech.
***Speaking of which, if anyone knows someone that owns an original 20gb PS3 I am looking to spend $400 or more depending on condition. Been looking for 3 years. Also looking for a copy of Super Metroid for SNES, I`ll pay $60 with out box, $100 in box***
Anyways yeah, if I didn`t already own a Galaxy Nexus and was not in the process of looking for a Galaxy S2 White (perferably from France to use here in Canada) I`d pay around $800 easy.

Adreno said:
If its rare people will pay, just due to the fact that no one else can get it.
I personally am the type of person you want to sell this to. I buy tons of stuff for hundreds more just because I collect tech.
***Speaking of which, if anyone knows someone that owns an original 20gb PS3 I am looking to spend $400 or more depending on condition. Been looking for 3 years. Also looking for a copy of Super Metroid for SNES, I`ll pay $60 with out box, $100 in box***
Anyways yeah, if I didn`t already own a Galaxy Nexus and was not in the process of looking for a Galaxy S2 White (perferably from France to use here in Canada) I`d pay around $800 easy.
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I hadn't thought of it from a collectors point of view, I was thinking purely in terms of a developer. fiyawerx, maybe you should at least look for an alternative market? Maybe Adreno knows some other collectors?

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I hadn't thought of it from a collectors point of view, I was thinking purely in terms of a developer. fiyawerx, maybe you should at least look for an alternative market? Maybe Adreno knows some other collectors?
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No I don't sorry.
Only reason I threw out the $800 number is because, really its not that much more you'd pay buying a "normal" phone really.
I still remember paying something like $700 after tax for the Xperia x10 (ouch bad device) and another $700 for the Xperia Arc (Better device but still too much IMO)
$800 is not that big of a jump, and you are getting something truly unique.
***On a side note: I bought the Xperia x10 and my wife's first iphone, the white 3GS the same day...I think the total was like $1400. Imagine my surprise learning my brand new "latest tech" android didn't support multitouch....mmm still feel that burn! Oh well I guess 2 finger touch ended up being supported later, but by then I was on the Samsung Captivate. Loved the Captivate!***

Adreno said:
No I don't sorry.
Only reason I threw out the $800 number is because, really its not that much more you'd pay buying a "normal" phone really.
I still remember paying something like $700 after tax for the Xperia x10 (ouch bad device) and another $700 for the Xperia Arc (Better device but still too much IMO)
$800 is not that big of a jump, and you are getting something truly unique.
***On a side note: I bought the Xperia x10 and my wife's first iphone, the white 3GS the same day...I think the total was like $1400. Imagine my surprise learning my brand new "latest tech" android didn't support multitouch....mmm still feel that burn! Oh well I guess 2 finger touch ended up being supported later, but by then I was on the Samsung Captivate. Loved the Captivate!***
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And here I'd be thrilled if I got around 5 for it. Still haven't listed it, though. My wife will kill me if I don't soon.

What's the condition of the phone?
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What's the condition of the phone?
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Used daily for about 3 weeks daily, with a screen protector installed @ verizon when I bought it. Somehow it still managed to get a tiny line in it near the front camera in the upper right... you have to have the light hit it just right to see it, I tried getting it in the pictures here but could not. I took the screen protector off now to show how clean the real screen is, there's some dust on it though.
The pictures came out a bit too big that I'd want to post here, you can see them here:
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I still have the original box and books, but am not sure which usb cable or where the actual wall wart is right now that came with it.

Just bought some Nokia Stock

I just purchased yesterday some shares of Nokia (at 2.79, it seemed a good time to buy). As a Windows Phone believer, I really think that Nokia will turn around, and they will be really successful.
Am I an irrational "fanboi"?

Well your arguments don't sound like the most rational ones out there, but I too think it's a good investment if you can wait atleast for a year or two before selling .

I'm also thinking of buying some And hopefully it will go quite well

I too bought 400 shares as I think in a year or two I'll make a decent return on my investment. I don't see Nokia going away as Microsoft has put a lot of cash in them in hopes of bringing WP7 up to #3. I bought as a long term investment for sure, so time will tell. Good luck to you also, we'll see if we made a good move!
By the way, best advise I can give you is, don't watch the stock daily, let it ride as someone said above, it will take quite some time before it starts to move in a positive direction. Just let it be and wait until WP8 comes out and gets established.you'll drive yourself nuts watching it right now!
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[email protected] said:
I just purchased yesterday some shares of Nokia (at 2.79, it seemed a good time to buy). As a Windows Phone believer, I really think that Nokia will turn around, and they will be really successful.
Am I an irrational "fanboi"?
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Based purely on your post I would have to say "yes."
This is facebook 2.0. I LOVE my Lumia 900. But I also realize Betamax was better than VHS. VHS won. It is not just a matter of having a superior product that I like. You also have to market it.
I can't believe sheeple are still paying $200 for an outdated iphone with no LTE and a 3.5 inch screen. If you want a free contract iphone you will have to make due with the iphone 3gs. That's insane. The iphone 4s is already dated. And people are picking up a phone 3 generations older for the same price as I got a Lumia 900. That is the market place Nokia is playing in. So no I do not believe their success no matter how much I LOVE their product is assured.

[email protected] said:
I just purchased yesterday some shares of Nokia (at 2.79, it seemed a good time to buy). As a Windows Phone believer, I really think that Nokia will turn around, and they will be really successful.
Am I an irrational "fanboi"?
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Buying with your heart is always a bad investment. Buy for the gain, not the good. Doesn't matter if its rail cars or crystal.

ohgood said:
Buying with your heart is always a bad investment. Buy for the gain, not the good. Doesn't matter if its rail cars or crystal.
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^This
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Well, obviously historical decline is not a reason not to buy, more like the other way around.

The stock hasn't bottomed out yet. Nokia also mentioned they're likely to face more quarters of operating at a lost, and the smartphone business is only part of their business.
Nokia has also been downgraded to junk status, as no one believes that they will be able to repay their loans.
I've been thinking about buying, but I'm betting it'll go lower. I'm holding out until right before the major launches.
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[email protected] said:
I just purchased yesterday some shares of Nokia (at 2.79, it seemed a good time to buy). As a Windows Phone believer, I really think that Nokia will turn around, and they will be really successful.
Am I an irrational "fanboi"?
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You already have your answer before you posted this. See these key words in you post: "believer", "I really think", "they will be". These types of words should never be associated with any financial transactions.

jarnmo said:
sitizenx said:
^This
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Well, obviously historical decline is not a reason not to buy, more like the other way around.
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This is what people were saying last year when Nokia was trading over $7 a share...
That advice led to a >50% loss. "Cheap shares" can get cheaper. I need more information than that before a stock becomes a buy.

With Nokia value approaching net value of its patent portfolio and cash on hand, this seems like the time to buy if you believe in NOK's upside.
The downside risks are:
They burn all cash while in recovery mode and go bankrupt
WP7 doesn't increase sales to return them to future relevance
My take is that the cash issue is a non-issue. Even with their credit rating as junk, intuition says that NOK will have free access to cheap cash loans from someone with lots of cash and a vested interest in their success: Microsoft
The WP7 upshot is the big question mark, but the grass roots indicators are telling me that WP7 will be that catalyst, given time. Since time = money for NOK and MSFT has the money, this seems non-issue, as well.
The "doomsday" scenario is if NOK's market cap goes so cheap as to make a hostile acquisition enticing. Then you could see IP desperate Google or another maker stepping in to try to eat them up. In that case, I don't think MSFT would let that happen, either. Net-net of this scenario is that NOK's value gets run up in a bidding war, which I don't think MSFT would let be lost.
Either way, as a long term hold, NOK seems cheap.

sitizenx said:
This is what people were saying last year when Nokia was trading over $7 a share...
That advice led to a >50% loss. "Cheap shares" can get cheaper. I need more information than that before a stock becomes a buy.
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+1
there are safer things to put money in than CREEKS THAT MIGHT FLOW BACKWARDS TOMORROW, if xyz happens.

ohgood said:
+1
there are safer things to put money in than CREEKS THAT MIGHT FLOW BACKWARDS TOMORROW, if xyz happens.
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No one is saying NOK is safe - far from it. But if you are looking at a long term bet with big upside due to ambiguity, there are worse bets.
I bought $2K of NOK a few weeks ago knowing full well it could be zero. I considered it like buying a lotto ticket, fully understand it could be worth nothing or that NOK could be at $10+ in a year.

What site do you guys use to buy/sell shares? I'd like to test the water

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I considered it like buying a lotto ticket...
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I don't think that contradicts anything we just said.
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What site do you guys use to buy/sell shares? I'd like to test the water
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You're flying the flag of the Isle of Man and asking us for some names of brokers?!

pLUSpISTOL said:
What site do you guys use to buy/sell shares? I'd like to test the water
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Fidelity and Merrill Lynch.

sitizenx said:
You're flying the flag of the Isle of Man and asking us for some names of brokers?!
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Now don't I just look stupid haha
It's a financial centre and I have never worked up the courage to figure this out!
kenikh said:
Fidelity and Merrill Lynch.
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Thank you. Any tips you guys have as I get started would be great.

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sitizenx said:
You're flying the flag of the Isle of Man and asking us for some names of brokers?!
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Now don't I just look stupid haha
It's a financial centre and I have never worked up the courage to figure this out!
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I couldn't resist.
Over here in the US if all you want to do is trade stocks E*trade or Ameritrade are okay. I heard Fidelity is good as well. Choose a reputable firm and then see what pricing is like for your trading strategy. Your choice of broker will definitely vary depending on how often you trade.

vetvito said:
I've been thinking about buying, but I'm betting it'll go lower.
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If you believe that why don't you sell short?
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Samsung BBB Complaint.

So I decided to write a complaint about Samsung to the BBB.
To make a really long story short. I received a GN with bad color. Had to fix myself and a month later after having it, it just died! Sent in for repair. I was told it would be repaired by June 27 and then shipped out. Received a email today stating "Please be advised that your Samsung service ticket [4115*****] has been placed on a temporary hold due to an unavailable part.
As soon as the part becomes available, your device will be repaired and shipped promptly"
I called Samsung AGAIN and they won't do ****.
So I am complaining and won't be a customer of Samsung again. WOW!!
Any success with this route? Trying to get a refund, don't want their crap back!

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So I decided to write a complaint about Samsung to the BBB.
To make a really long story short. I received a GN with bad color. Had to fix myself and a month later after having it, it just died! Sent in for repair. I was told it would be repaired by June 27 and then shipped out. Received a email today stating "Please be advised that your Samsung service ticket [4115*****] has been placed on a temporary hold due to an unavailable part.
As soon as the part becomes available, your device will be repaired and shipped promptly"
I called Samsung AGAIN and they won't do ****.
So I am complaining and won't be a customer of Samsung again. WOW!!
Any success with this route? Trying to get a refund, don't want their crap back!
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Sorry to hear that but calling BBB won't do nothing to be honest.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

Small claims court is the only route for genuine recourse against large companies if you can't afford fancy lawyers...
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If you research a bit about Samsung's practices then you'd find out that it's one of the biggest piece of **** corporations in the world. It has been since the very beginning. And it's definitely not limited to cell phones. Problem is, they're a mammoth and manufacture awesome displays for low prices so that means that they'll be on top for a long time. Hundreds of thousands of complaints world wide and hardly ever a single **** was given.
Bottom line is, wait for the phone to get fixed and delivered to you. Good luck.
Let's hope the next Nexus phone isn't gonna be manufactured by them. Again.
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brmayhem said:
If you research a bit about Samsung's practices then you'd find out that it's one of the biggest piece of **** corporations in the world. It has been since the very beginning. And it's definitely not limited to cell phones. Problem is, they're a mammoth and manufacture awesome displays for low prices so that means that they'll be on top for a long time. Hundreds of thousands of complaints world wide and hardly ever a single **** was given.
Bottom line is, wait for the phone to get fixed and delivered to you. Good luck.
Let's hope the next Nexus phone isn't gonna be manufactured by them. Again.
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Someone's exceedingly rude? I personally NEVER have any difficulties with any Samsung products.

brmayhem said:
If you research a bit about Samsung's practices then you'd find out that it's one of the biggest piece of **** corporations in the world. It has been since the very beginning. And it's definitely not limited to cell phones. Problem is, they're a mammoth and manufacture awesome displays for low prices so that means that they'll be on top for a long time. Hundreds of thousands of complaints world wide and hardly ever a single **** was given.
Bottom line is, wait for the phone to get fixed and delivered to you. Good luck.
Let's hope the next Nexus phone isn't gonna be manufactured by them. Again.
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Thanks, looks like I will have no choice but had to do SOMETHING, too bad this is how America does things. The consumers are always caught on the **** end of the stick. I won't ever! buy another Samsung product, I said that after the Vibrant, but $399 was too good to pass up, and now I know why. I still like Android, but I am seriously considering IOS now....

brmayhem said:
If you research a bit about Samsung's practices then you'd find out that it's one of the biggest piece of **** corporations in the world. It has been since the very beginning. And it's definitely not limited to cell phones. Problem is, they're a mammoth and manufacture awesome displays for low prices so that means that they'll be on top for a long time. Hundreds of thousands of complaints world wide and hardly ever a single **** was given.
Bottom line is, wait for the phone to get fixed and delivered to you. Good luck.
Let's hope the next Nexus phone isn't gonna be manufactured by them. Again.
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zephiK said:
Someone's exceedingly rude? I personally NEVER have any difficulties with any Samsung products.
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No... brmayhem is spot on. Samsung sucks and they don't care about their customers at all. They spent so much energy ripping off Apple, but they missed Apple's strongest and most redeeming quality: Their customer service.
Samsung blows. Nothing you do will ever get through to them. All you can do is use a different phone, use the repaired Nexus and flash a kernel like Trinity to fix the color issues, and wait until December and hope the next Nexus device is manufactured by a different company.

jmattp said:
No... brmayhem is spot on. Samsung sucks and they don't care about their customers at all. They spent so much energy ripping off Apple, but they missed Apple's strongest and most redeeming quality: Their customer service.
Samsung blows. Nothing you do will ever get through to them. All you can do is use a different phone, use the repaired Nexus and flash a kernel like Trinity to fix the color issues, and wait until December and hope the next Nexus device is manufactured by a different company.
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How would they spend so much money "ripping off Apple?" They've had these designs WAY before Apple iOS with BadaOS. Get your facts straight.
So much Samsung hatred and trolling happening in this thread.

zephiK said:
How would they spend so much money "ripping off Apple?" They've had these designs WAY before Apple iOS with BadaOS. Get your facts straight.
So much Samsung hatred and trolling happening in this thread.
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1: I said they spent a lot of ENERGY... not money
2: Don't start this. It's well known, well documented, and spread all over the internet that Touchwiz had some design elements that were direct rip-offs of iOS. Even the faux-metal band around the Galaxy phones were a nod to the first three iPhones.
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zephiK said:
How would they spend so much money "ripping off Apple?" They've had these designs WAY before Apple iOS with BadaOS. Get your facts straight.
So much Samsung hatred and trolling happening in this thread.
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And who are these Defenders of Samsung? Some kind of SHIELD program? Can't those who get faulty devices do something or say something about it? Looks like you are the troll man....

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1: I said they spent a lot of ENERGY... not money
2: Don't start this. It's well known, well documented, and spread all over the internet that Touchwiz had some design elements that were direct rip-offs of iOS. Even the faux-metal band around the Galaxy phones were a nod to the first three iPhones.
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How come the Iphone on the right looks a little different?

Most large companies do not care about customers. They care about profits. Apple is no exception. People think because customer service slaps on a pretty face and a smile that the company cares.
Simply not true. I can remove the word Samsung on the above hate-filled rants and it would be true.
Ford...Chevrolet...Apple...HP....Dell...Sony... the list is a mile long.
People say stuff like this all the time, but people on the other end are human beings too. Your own presentation goes a long way in getting things done. If you are difficult, they will be difficult too. If you are a douche...guess what? So are they.
I can give you a TON of HP customer service nitemares on the internet. I can even relate to the OP with my own computer with HP. I could surrender and fling my hands up in the air and say they wouldn't help me. Instead I stayed firm, yet civil and respectful.
End result? My computer which kept being postponed for repair due to part shortage was actually replaced with a brand new machine. The cost? Me being a human being and not an animal.
I am not saying the OP is, but it is hard to see how you really are acting by looking in the mirror. Have a neutral party hang out with you when you call Samsung sometime and see if maybe your attitude is less than appropriate.

jmattp said:
1: I said they spent a lot of ENERGY... not money
2: Don't start this. It's well known, well documented, and spread all over the internet that Touchwiz had some design elements that were direct rip-offs of iOS. Even the faux-metal band around the Galaxy phones were a nod to the first three iPhones.
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We going there? Should we talk about the ripoffs Apple did to Google?
I guess that is OK though, because its Apple. They can do no wrong.

jzero88 said:
How come the Iphone on the right looks a little different?
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lol I don't even know why people use that picture at all..... it fully circumvents the idea of Android's DESKTOP and 5 homescreens (or whatever you set it to based on your launcher). its a very misleading picture, not to mention Apple photoshopped one of the pictures to make it seem like they're both of same height
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/19/did-apple-shrink-the-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-in-dutch-lawsuit-filing/
+1 to what adrynalyne said... Apple's Notification System is VERY much like Android.
But in the end, iOS and Android have been getting ideas from each other. Non-stop, that is what competition is all about.
Notification System, Multi-tasking, etc.

zephiK said:
lol I don't even know why people use that picture at all..... it fully circumvents the idea of Android's DESKTOP and 5 homescreens (or whatever you set it to based on your launcher). its a very misleading picture, not to mention Apple photoshopped one of the pictures to make it seem like they're both of same height
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/19/did-apple-shrink-the-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-in-dutch-lawsuit-filing/
+1 to what adrynalyne said... Apple's Notification System is VERY much like Android.
But in the end, iOS and Android have been getting ideas from each other. Non-stop, that is what competition is all about.
Notification System, Multi-tasking, etc.
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Wow, they sure did chop that. I never really followed, but that is funny.

adrynalyne said:
Wow, they sure did chop that. I never really followed, but that is funny.
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http://pocketnow.com/2012/06/13/what-did-apple-copy-from-android-and-windows-phone-in-ios-6/
Some more additions... especially with Call-Message reply and the do-not-disturb feature. Hello Ice Cream Sandwich?

adrynalyne said:
We going there? Should we talk about the ripoffs Apple did to Google?
I guess that is OK though, because its Apple. They can do no wrong.
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We're not "going there". I'm simply using the image to support my assertion that Samsung wasted a lot of time and energy copying Apple's design but didn't copy their excellent customer service and warranty.
That's where it ends really. I'm not here because I want to defend Apple. I like tech/gadgets/consumer electronics. I'm not an Apple fanboy, nor am I an Android fanboy; I'm just a techie - a fanboy of all electronics - and I have had nothing but terrible experiences with Samsung products.
There's an obvious difference between bringing a defective device into a store and having it replaced on the spot, and calling a call center across the world to make arrangements to ship it out (paying the shipping yourself), waiting a week or two (maybe longer) and getting the same device back with the same issues.
...and yet I own a Series 5 550 and a Galaxy Nexus. I bought them and use them every day because they run the Google operating systems I want to use. There is no brand loyalty here...

jmattp said:
We're not "going there". I'm simply using the image to support my assertion that Samsung wasted a lot of time and energy copying Apple's design but didn't copy their excellent customer service and warranty.
That's where it ends really. I'm not here because I want to defend Apple. I like tech/gadgets/consumer electronics. I'm not an Apple fanboy, nor am I an Android fanboy; I'm just a techie - a fanboy of all electronics - and I have had nothing but terrible experiences with Samsung products.
There's an obvious difference between bringing a defective device into a store and having it replaced on the spot, and calling a call center across the world to make arrangements to ship it out (paying the shipping yourself), waiting a week or two (maybe longer) and getting the same device back with the same issues.
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In what context are you saying that Samsung copied Apple's design? since this is the "Galaxy Nexus forum." If you're implying that Samsung copied their design for TouchWiz, I don't see any TouchWiz being featured on stock Galaxy Nexus.
I think most of us are simply having the problem that you're straight up bashing the company in a inappropriate manner regardless of how "angry" you may be. It's kind of unacceptable to be swearing and pointing fingers directly at Samsung because I haven't had a bad experience with their customer service at all.
If you're having phone defects, you should deal with Verizon first. My Galaxy Nexus is from Negri Electronics (third party vendor) and they offer great customer service as well as Expansys. So I can't comment on Verizon.

zephiK said:
In what context are you saying that Samsung copied Apple's design? since this is the "Galaxy Nexus forum." If you're implying that Samsung copied their design for TouchWiz, I don't see any TouchWiz being featured on stock Galaxy Nexus.
I think most of us are simply having the problem that you're straight up bashing the company in a inappropriate manner regardless of how "angry" you may be. It's kind of unacceptable to be swearing and pointing fingers directly at Samsung because I haven't had a bad experience with their customer service at all.
If you're having phone defects, you should deal with Verizon first. My Galaxy Nexus is from Negri Electronics (third party vendor) and they offer great customer service as well as Expansys. So I can't comment on Verizon.
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Swearing? Really?
I've explained my comment twice already.
Only customers who purchase the phone subsidized through Verizon can get a refurbished unit as a replacement if there is a problem with the device after the 14-day grace period. If you buy the phone used, you have to go through Samsung.
Also, getting several replacements in a row with the same defect is defeating and really says something about a company.
Please remove yourself from Samsung's ****.
Aw gee whiz, Beav... sorry for swearing again!

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Swearing? Really?
I've explained my comment twice already.
Only customers who purchase the phone subsidized through Verizon can get a refurbished unit as a replacement if there is a problem with the device after the 14-day grace period. If you buy the phone used, you have to go through Samsung.
Also, getting several replacements in a row with the same defect is defeating and really says something about a company.
Please remove yourself from Samsung's ****.
Aw gee whiz, Beav... sorry for swearing again!
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That sounds like a personal problem with your carrier (or the store you've purchased it from), not the manufacturer of the phone. Yeah, there are defective units out on the market... but your carrier is the one who made the policy on 'refurbished units' as replacements.
This thread isn't really going anywhere. So I'll stop here and a mod will most likely close this thread soon. Good luck! Enjoy your jelly bean in the next coming days
Can't wait for Nexus 4