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Carrier Billing on the Nexus 5X

Has anyone tried to purchase something through carrier billing yet from the Play Store on their 5X? I am on Verizon and it doesn't work for me, I guess because it's not a Verizon phone. Have others seen this as well on Verizon as well as other carriers? Not the end of the world to lose this but wondering if its just a Verizon thing.

Works on T-Mobile and AT&T
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Most likely, they still use IMEI for that and it isn't in the system. But, just in case, did you cut an existing SIM or get a new one from Verizon? I'm not sure this is it (I haven't tried carrier billing) but when I called for a new SIM she asked me if the phone was NFC capable. Maybe in their system, NFC = billing. They mailed me a "GEMALTO 4FF NFC SIM CD"

I'm sure it's a verizon thing. I used am existing sim card from a Moto X 2014. It is the nfc capable one. The option was listed but when I tried to use it the payment was declined. I assume you guys have already had successful payments made?

I'm a "Jump On Demand" T-Mobile customer, which gives me 3 upgrades per year. Unfortunately, when this Nexus lineup was announced and I learned that I wouldn't be able to get it through T-Mobile, I was a bit disappointed. However, my work around for this was to just buy the 5X and then go trade in my phone to T-Mobile and get the cheapest phone they offer. This dropped my monthly payment by about $18/month and allowed me to stay on the 3 upgrades per year program. I want to stay on that program because next year, knowing how fickle Google is, the next Nexus release will likely be back on the carrier bandwagon. In which case, I'll go back to getting my phones that route.
But for carrier billing, the only thing that changed for me was that I was able to drop my monthly bill by purchasing the 5X outside of T-Mobile.

sn0warmy said:
I'm a "Jump On Demand" T-Mobile customer, which gives me 3 upgrades per year. Unfortunately, when this Nexus lineup was announced and I learned that I wouldn't be able to get it through T-Mobile, I was a bit disappointed. However, my work around for this was to just buy the 5X and then go trade in my phone to T-Mobile and get the cheapest phone they offer. This dropped my monthly payment by about $18/month and allowed me to stay on the 3 upgrades per year program. I want to stay on that program because next year, knowing how fickle Google is, the next Nexus release will likely be back on the carrier bandwagon. In which case, I'll go back to getting my phones that route.
But for carrier billing, the only thing that changed for me was that I was able to drop my monthly bill by purchasing the 5X outside of T-Mobile.
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Thanks although for carrier billing I meant the ability to buy apps and media from Google Play and have it appear on the bill with your carrier. Not the phone itself. At least for me Verizon doesn't seem to let you do that from the 5X, my guess because it's not a Verizon phone. Curious if other carriers like AT&T and T-Mobile have the same rules for phones that are not sold through the carrier.

landale said:
Thanks although for carrier billing I meant the ability to buy apps and media from Google Play and have it appear on the bill with your carrier. Not the phone itself. At least for me Verizon doesn't seem to let you do that from the 5X, my guess because it's not a Verizon phone. Curious if other carriers like AT&T and T-Mobile have the same rules for phones that are not sold through the carrier.
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Sorry about that, my failed reading comprehension definitely side tracked my comment. Haven't had my coffee yet.

sn0warmy said:
Sorry about that, my failed reading comprehension definitely side tracked my comment. Haven't had my coffee yet.
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No worries. I should have added Google Play to the subject of the post. Can you comment on whether or not it lets you buy something in Google Play and bill to T-Mobile?

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Whoops, sorry for missing that! I guess since both AT&T and T-Mobile are used to people bringing their own phone it makes sense Google Play carrier billing works for them on unlocked phones.

Project Fi Idea?

*I do NOT own a Oneplus 3. I own a Nexus 6p.*
I was looking to get the Oneplus 3 but it'll be limited to T-Mobile. Here's what I think. I did a custom ROM on my Nexus 6p and Project Fi had to be installed from google play store, it wasn't a system app. Only T-Mobile worked. So what i did was use a app to convert the Fi app to a system app and it worked! It switched between T-Mobile, Sprint, and U.S. Cellular. Will this trick work on the Oneplus 3 (If it has all the bands to do so)?
Thanks!

Anutter226 said:
*I do NOT own a Oneplus 3. I own a Nexus 6p.*
I was looking to get the Oneplus 3 but it'll be limited to T-Mobile. Here's what I think. I did a custom ROM on my Nexus 6p and Project Fi had to be installed from google play store, it wasn't a system app. Only T-Mobile worked. So what i did was use a app to convert the Fi app to a system app and it worked! It switched between T-Mobile, Sprint, and U.S. Cellular. Will this trick work on the Oneplus 3 (If it has all the bands to do so)?
Thanks!
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Sounds promising. Any luck? I like the idea of project fi but need more data

Cheeze[iT] said:
Sounds promising. Any luck? I like the idea of project fi but need more data
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Which app did you use to convert?

mikey1975 said:
Which app did you use to convert?
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/system/app mover

Anutter226 said:
*I do NOT own a Oneplus 3. I own a Nexus 6p.*
I was looking to get the Oneplus 3 but it'll be limited to T-Mobile. Here's what I think. I did a custom ROM on my Nexus 6p and Project Fi had to be installed from google play store, it wasn't a system app. Only T-Mobile worked. So what i did was use a app to convert the Fi app to a system app and it worked! It switched between T-Mobile, Sprint, and U.S. Cellular. Will this trick work on the Oneplus 3 (If it has all the bands to do so)?
Thanks!
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The OnePlus 3 only supports AT&T and T-Mobile networks due to the bands that are supported on the on the phone.

Cheeze[iT] said:
Sounds promising. Any luck? I like the idea of project fi but need more data
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Still haven't got a Oneplus 3 yet. Might save it for the new Nexus. I tried this method on my Droid Turbo (Verizon), which is carrier unlocked out of the box, but the only bands it has are some T-Mobile ones and some Sprint ones. After i converted the app the phone crashed (I was on Stock ROM). Also tried with a custom rom and kernel Resurrection Remix. No Dice.
By the way you said you need more data. the data you select isn't what you only can use, its just a prepaid data plan at the beginning of the month. You pay for what you use. i selected the 10Gb plan (biggest one) and go over all the time. if i go over 1GB I pay $10 more on next month bill. If i go over 1MB I pay $0.01 more next bill. If i use 5GB I get $50 off my next bill. NO DATA OVERAGES FEES! Its Awesome! In simpler terms its just a mindset data plan so you can limit yourself if you need to. If I use 12Gb on a 1Gb plan its $120. If I use 12Gb on a 10Gb plan its $120 (Before TAX)

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The OnePlus 3 only supports AT&T and T-Mobile networks due to the bands that are supported on the on the phone.
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I thought there was a international version that supported a lot more?

Anutter226 said:
Still haven't got a Oneplus 3 yet. Might save it for the new Nexus. I tried this method on my Droid Turbo (Verizon), which is carrier unlocked out of the box, but the only bands it has are some T-Mobile ones and some Sprint ones. After i converted the app the phone crashed (I was on Stock ROM). Also tried with a custom rom and kernel Resurrection Remix. No Dice.
By the way you said you need more data. the data you select isn't what you only can use, its just a prepaid data plan at the beginning of the month. You pay for what you use. i selected the 10Gb plan (biggest one) and go over all the time. if i go over 1GB I pay $10 more on next month bill. If i go over 1MB I pay $0.01 more next bill. If i use 5GB I get $50 off my next bill. NO DATA OVERAGES FEES! Its Awesome! In simpler terms its just a mindset data plan so you can limit yourself if you need to. If I use 12Gb on a 1Gb plan its $120. If I use 12Gb on a 10Gb plan its $120 (Before TAX)
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I'm on a family plan ATM. 20gb split for 4. So $40 for 5gb+... cheaper than if I go fi unfortunately
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GOOGLE FI never made sense to me I understand the fact that you basically use multiple carriers. but when it was first announced it was the big hype of affordable.. I don't see that. I use about 35+ gigs of data every month and Google fi would be through the roof for me. I pay 100$ for two lines on T-Mobile.

honest opinion please.

I am on the verge of purchasing this phone from Verizon but I am just wondering do you guys think that the devs will be able to unlock the boot loader?. Or is it highly unlikely?

You should buy it from Google Store, that's an honest opinion.

egren58 said:
I am on the verge of purchasing this phone from Verizon but I am just wondering do you guys think that the devs will be able to unlock the boot loader?. Or is it highly unlikely?
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I would say no but maybe one day

egren58 said:
I am on the verge of purchasing this phone from Verizon but I am just wondering do you guys think that the devs will be able to unlock the boot loader?. Or is it highly unlikely?
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Highly unlikely I would guess. I think you can get it from the google store tho and have it activated on verizon network still, from what I have read. That version would come ready to be unlocked.

frch0603 said:
Highly unlikely I would guess. I think you can get it from the google store tho and have it activated on verizon network still, from what I have read. That version would come ready to be unlocked.
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I am not even on Verizon . lol I'm on tmbile but Google rep said about a month until they go back up for sale. There is one on craiglist for 1,000$ for 32 GB idk if I should make the move or not.

egren58 said:
I am not even on Verizon . lol I'm on tmbile but Google rep said about a month until they go back up for sale. There is one on craiglist for 1,000$ for 32 GB idk if I should make the move or not.
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I definitely would not buy the Verizon one with the expectation of using it on any carrier besides verizon.

frch0603 said:
I definitely would not buy the Verizon one with the expectation of using it on any carrier besides verizon.
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Is factory unlocked from my end

Negotiating a 32gb google edition..

frch0603 said:
I definitely would not buy the Verizon one with the expectation of using it on any carrier besides verizon.
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Why wouldn't you buy a "Verizon version with expectation of using it on another carrier"?
I bought a Verizon version last night from Best Buy (im not really worried about unlocking the bootloader at this point. Been doing it for years lol ) and put my T-Mobile sim card in and it worked immediately.
All these Google Pixel phones are carrier unlocked. Every single one. The only difference is that the Verizon version currently cannot be Bootloader unlocked, but I'm sure it will someday.

I would say buy from google if you really want to have an unlocked bootloader. I wont say it will never be unlocked but i think there will be very few working on it for the simple fact that you can buy an unlocked version. I would have bought it from google but it was more cost effective for me to buy it from Verizon.

Honest opinion = It is highly unlikely!

Most likely not since there is an google verison that comes with an unlocked bootloader for the same price.

I'm with verizon but bought it from the Google store. I am thinking about switching carriers sometime soon so I don't want to be stuck with monthly payments from Verizon on a device that won't be used on their carrier. That's why I did Google finance. Plus I already give too much money to Verizon each month. Bootloader being unlocked or not doesn't bother me but some people will want root and one day I may root and I want that option.

Yeahci will just wait till its available again. I'm on tmobile and I will never leave. Lol I only pay 50$ for unlimited everything

egren58 said:
Yeahci will just wait till its available again. I'm on tmobile and I will never leave. Lol I only pay 50$ for unlimited everything
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Same here. My wife is on Verizon and I looked at adding a line. If I buy it outright (pixel xl) I don't get the big credit for my V10, only fair market value and I don't get the free data bump either. At the end of the day, staying with T-Mobile with unlimited data just makes sense

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Same here. My wife is on Verizon and I looked at adding a line. If I buy it outright (pixel xl) I don't get the big credit for my V10, only fair market value and I don't get the free data bump either. At the end of the day, staying with T-Mobile with unlimited data just makes sense
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Yeah man ilove being grandfather in. I scanned a copy of my original contract, and a few times they tried to switch my plans to the new jump and I was like nope I have a SIGNED contract. Lol LOVE IT!! also I can't get throttle after using 20+ gigs of data.

Never buy a phone for what it MIGHT do in the future.
If you need root/unlocked bootloader buy a phone that already has that.
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So I will let the hypedye down now I'll just stick to 7.1.1 on the 6p. And than I'll sell my 6p and op3 to buy the xl in the coming months.

It seems there are too many Verizon models running around now that somehow came with an unlockable bootloader.... makes me think there is a better chance at the devs finding a way. Mostly just a hunch but....
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Will an at&t sim in verizon model prevent software updates?

Has Anyone Ordered Through the Fi Store?

So the Google store has the Pixel XL as out of stock with no mention of when it'll be back in stock and the only thing you can do is join a "Waitlist".
However for some reason, going through Project Fi, I was able to buy a Pixel XL no problem and was even shipped the next day, but I also had to get Project Fi with it. Now once the phone comes in I should be able to cancel Fi provided I don't insert the Fi Sim Card right?
Pixel XL seems to be in stock if you order through Fi...

Same experience for me. Fi is great ! $$$ back is sweet . . .

Yep. I ordered mine a few weeks ago. The Google store was out of stock and Fi shipped the next day. Replaced my Nexus 6.

RemnantKing2 said:
So the Google store has the Pixel XL as out of stock with no mention of when it'll be back in stock and the only thing you can do is join a "Waitlist".
However for some reason, going through Project Fi, I was able to buy a Pixel XL no problem and was even shipped the next day, but I also had to get Project Fi with it. Now once the phone comes in I should be able to cancel Fi provided I don't insert the Fi Sim Card right?
Pixel XL seems to be in stock if you order through Fi...
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Yeah that should work just fine. But I would seriously consider giving Fi a go. I made the switch from Verizon about a year ago when I got the Nexus 6P. I was worried about coverage and losing signal, speed, etc.....but it turned out to be just fine. I l ove only paying for the data that I use. Plus you just can't beat their customer service. Anyway, just IMHO!

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Yeah that should work just fine. But I would seriously consider giving Fi a go. I made the switch from Verizon about a year ago when I got the Nexus 6P. I was worried about coverage and losing signal, speed, etc.....but it turned out to be just fine. I l ove only paying for the data that I use. Plus you just can't beat their customer service. Anyway, just IMHO!
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Perfect!
I don't mind of giving it a go and I actually plan on trying them out but only in the future. I renewed my contract with Verizon only two months ago, but once that's done I'll definitely try them out and see how they are. Their coverage maps in my area show great coverage so I am sure I won't have problems.

Just keep in mind that if you "finance" through Project Fi then they will send you nasty letters and even bill you in FULL if you don't activate and use the phone on Fi.
I don't know what they do if you stop using Fi after a while.
I guess I'll find out some day.

CZ Eddie said:
Just keep in mind that if you "finance" through Project Fi then they will send you nasty letters and even bill you in FULL if you don't activate and use the phone on Fi.
I don't know what they do if you stop using Fi after a while.
I guess I'll find out some day.
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Oh no, thankfully I didn't go through that route. The phone was paid in full and in regards to Project Fi, they said it won't bill until the SIM is inserted into the phone and activated, meaning if I cancel before that I should have any problems.

I am new to project fi and just completed my first month. I was previously with Sprint. The network is fast, very fast. I used just under 5 gb of data with no tethering. With Sprint, I was always under 2 gb. I'm thinking now that it is because I have virtually no loading problems with videos and the fact that I left google play music going for about six hours after a phone call are the reason my usage is so high. I travel alot for work(truck driver) and have experienced no dropped calls or service and I've went from TX to NC and back. Alot of dead spots on that route with Sprint but have had LTE the whole way. The only problem I encountered was that pictures wouldn't send the first day. That was an easy fix and have been rolling since. I also order from the fi store and got the pixel xl.

I ordered from the Google store and they included a Fi sim.

CZ Eddie said:
Just keep in mind that if you "finance" through Project Fi then they will send you nasty letters and even bill you in FULL if you don't activate and use the phone on Fi.
I don't know what they do if you stop using Fi after a while.
I guess I'll find out some day.
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Wow. . . . My understanding was that financing ( and paying ZERO interest ! ) was one animal in the zoo . . . . But ordering a phone thru 'Project Fi' was a similar but different animal . . . . Are they really one and the same thing ? Does Google present it as being that way ? Or do you find out after you find out ?

I went ahead and chatted into Project Fi customer support.
Names, dates and times have been edited to protect the innocent.
CZ Eddie ------
What happens if I sell my Project Fi "financed" 32GB Pixel XL so I can buy a 128GB Pixel XL?
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Great. This 32GB phone is awful, I'm always running out of space. I contacted Google after having it for three weeks, but they said it was too late to return it and upgrade.
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I see. So you are wanting to just sell the phone?
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Unless you want to give me an exception and let me return it to get the 128GB?
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I don't mind paying the extra money of course.
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I wish I could, but we don't have an upgrade program.
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I can't stand this one. 32GB on the Pixel isn't as good as 32GB on my older phones.
Okay. So I guess I'm back to selling this one to buy the larger one.
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You will have to pay it off and remove it from your account so the person can activate it.
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What if they don't use it on Project Fi?
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Let me check.
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Also, while you're researching. I need to know if I can order the 128GB Pixel on the monthly payment. That way I'll already have it when I go to sell the 32GB Pixel.
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The 32 GB phone will have to be paid off and removed from your account before it could be activated. The IMEI would show as linked to your account, so they would not be able to use it.
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You could go ahead and try to order the new phone if your financing is enough to approve it.
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Try going here. http://fi.google.com/buy-devices
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FYI, Google "Financing" originally approved me for something like $1800.
I still have the balance of that left over after the $769 for the 32GB Pixel XL I bought from them.
I'm going to use it to buy the XL 128GB as soon as it comes back in stock.
Then I'll pay off the 32GB and flip it onto Swappa or Craigslist or something.

Are Project Fi purchased phones SIM unlocked?

Are Project Fi purchased phones SIM unlocked?
When purchased brand new from Project Fi on the monthly payment program?
Are they SIM unlocked for use on any carrier worldwide?

"If I buy a new Pixel, Nexus 6P or Nexus 5X from Project Fi, will it work with other wireless providers?
Yes, a Pixel, Nexus 5X, or Nexus 6P you get from Project Fi comes unlocked and can be used with other wireless providers if you choose to leave our service."
taken from https://fi.google.com/about/faq/#supported-devices-5

CZ Eddie said:
Are Project Fi purchased phones SIM unlocked?
When purchased brand new from Project Fi on the monthly payment program?
Are they SIM unlocked for use on any carrier worldwide?
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Project FI is a sim card that you can purchase separately from a phone that supports it. A phone that supports Project FI it is not tied to it. In other words, phones and Project FI are different things. Now, if you buy a phone from Google Play store, it will be completely unlocked.
Is someone trying to scam you by selling you a "Project FI phone?"

nabbed said:
Project FI is a sim card that you can purchase separately from a phone that supports it. A phone that supports Project FI it is not tied to it. In other words, phones and Project FI are different things. Now, if you buy a phone from Google Play store, it will be completely unlocked.
Is someone trying to scam you by selling you a "Project FI phone?"
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I purchase my devices from Project Fi. They are Sim unlocked just like the ones from the Google Store because they are the ones from the Google Store. However, Project Fi has their own stock of devices. When it comes time to warranty the device, you contact Project Fi, not the Google Store or Google Support.
So technically they are Project Fi phones? Yes and now I guess??
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Jammol said:
I purchase my devices from Project Fi. They are Sim unlocked just like the ones from the Google Store because they are the ones from the Google Store. However, Project Fi has their own stock of devices. When it comes time to warranty the device, you contact Project Fi, not the Google Store or Google Support.
So technically they are Project Fi phones? Yes and now I guess??
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Never had any idea that Project FI had its own store and its own stock of phones. Are you sure they don't just come from Google Play?
Here's a confirmation email from Google Play:
Code:
Thank you
Your order has been placed! As soon as it ships, you'll receive a separate email that includes your tracking number. You will not be charged until your order has shipped.
Order number: GS.xxxx-xxxx-xxxx
Order date: Nov 28, 2016 10:28:32 PM PDT
Purchased from:
Google Inc.
1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
Mountain View
CA
94043
United States Ship to:

nabbed said:
Never had any idea that Project FI had its own store and its own stock of phones. Are you sure they don't just come from Google Play?
Here's a confirmation email from Google Play:
Code:
Thank you
Your order has been placed! As soon as it ships, you'll receive a separate email that includes your tracking number. You will not be charged until your order has shipped.
Order number: GS.xxxx-xxxx-xxxx
Order date: Nov 28, 2016 10:28:32 PM PDT
Purchased from:
Google Inc.
1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
Mountain View
CA
94043
United States Ship to:
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Yeah I asked them. It's all under the same address but the stock is separated. I first noticed this when I was going to order the Pixel XL and the Google Store said 5 weeks before it would ship out because of stock. That's when I remembered I got Project Fi. Called them and ordered it, got the phone the next day because their stock is different than the Google Store. They all come out of the same warehouse though. Same thing with the warranty devices.
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Jammol said:
Yeah I asked them. It's all under the same address but the stock is separated. I first noticed this when I was going to order the Pixel XL and the Google Store said 5 weeks before it would ship out because of stock. That's when I remembered I got Project Fi. Called them and ordered it, got the phone the next day because their stock is different than the Google Store. They all come out of the same warehouse though. Same thing with the warranty devices.
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Good to know for future reference (Pixel 2.)

Google purchased vs. Project Fi purchased phones not only come from different supplies but even have different warranty policies.
Such as extended warranty from Google is a totally different company than extended warranty from Project Fi.
Thanks, fatapia. I didn't think to search for non Pixel Fi phones to find out the policy.