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I really love my Nexus. Gorgeous, perfectly sized 720p display, super sleek black curved display with NO carrier branding or capacitive buttons, nice loud speakerphone & ICS is fantastic. Great things to love about the Nexus!
But this phone Laaaaaaaaaaaaaags. And please don't tell me i got a bad one, or I need to reflash yada yada. If you don't agree about the lag, then you are in denial.
I'm currently running AKOP 4 & Francos 3rd Milestone + oc'd to 1.35.
I'll admit, his latest kernel sped it up again, but it seems like its only temporary. With every flash, it always starts out fast, but then after 2 weeks - it starts to slow down again.
Where do I notice it? Well lets see, try pulling down your status bar from the lock screen and see if there sometimes isn't a 1 or 2 sec delay. Is this due to the phone just waking up from being asleep at 300 mhz?
But its not just there. Opening text messages, call log, emails - its just slow.
I just kinda got used to the general lag in the system, but then I played with a Stock Galaxy s2 on GB the other day & I was amazed at how fast that phone was. It ran circles around my nexus.
So I got to thinking, on older computers with slower processors - if you try and run youtube at 720p @ full screen, it gets super choppy and laggy. Then I compared that to the nexus. Its trying to push ALOT of pixels. Is a 1.35 ghz processor enough for the resolution it runs?
Would a 1.5 or 1.7 ghz phone run it normally?
Whats with the Lag???
Franco milestones are stock gpu values so overclocking your CPU isn't doing much. I'm running the latest trinity and it's got a heavy gpu overclock and this phone is the smoothest Android GUI I've ever experienced and I've experienced a lot.
So yes yadayada, reflash, etc etc
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Thanks for this. I was on the fence between this or waiting for the gs3, currently running stock gb with adw pro on an exynos gs2, guess I'll just keep saving for the unlocked gs3 and hope Google Play carries it.
Don't bait the trolls.
Lol well I tried, enjoy Odin and touch wiz
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shadow65781 said:
Thanks for this. I was on the fence between this or waiting for the gs3, currently running stock gb with adw pro on an exynos gs2, guess I'll just keep saving for the unlocked gs3 and hope Google Play carries it.
Don't bait the trolls.
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Google Play won't carry - it's not a Google phone. It will be sold the same way the Galaxy S2 was.
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ChongoDroid said:
Franco milestones are stock gpu values so overclocking your CPU isn't doing much. I'm running the latest trinity and it's got a heavy gpu overclock and this phone is the smoothest Android GUI I've ever experienced and I've experienced a lot.
So yes yadayada, reflash, etc etc
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This, also, maybe try running something other than AOKP for a while. Though its really customisable, it isn't exactly the snappiest ROM.
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shadow65781 said:
Thanks for this. I was on the fence between this or waiting for the gs3, currently running stock gb with adw pro on an exynos gs2, guess I'll just keep saving for the unlocked gs3 and hope Google Play carries it.
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roflmao. Google Play won't carry it. Its not a Google phone... It'll be sold by your local carrier or importer.
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EyeAndroid said:
But this phone Laaaaaaaaaaaaaags. And please don't tell me i got a bad one, or I need to reflash yada yada. If you don't agree about the lag, then you are in denial.
I'm currently running AKOP 4 & Francos 3rd Milestone + oc'd to 1.35.
I'll admit, his latest kernel sped it up again, but it seems like its only temporary. With every flash, it always starts out fast, but then after 2 weeks - it starts to slow down again.
Where do I notice it? Well lets see, try pulling down your status bar from the lock screen and see if there sometimes isn't a 1 or 2 sec delay. Is this due to the phone just waking up from being asleep at 300 mhz?
But its not just there. Opening text messages, call log, emails - its just slow.
I just kinda got used to the general lag in the system, but then I played with a Stock Galaxy s2 on GB the other day & I was amazed at how fast that phone was. It ran circles around my nexus.
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I'm bone stock 4.0.4 and don't have any of this lag you're talking of. Essentially perfect, very few noticeable moments of lag.
This phone isn't laggy. You're just doing it wrong.
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ChongoDroid said:
Franco milestones are stock gpu values so overclocking your CPU isn't doing much. I'm running the latest trinity and it's got a heavy gpu overclock and this phone is the smoothest Android GUI I've ever experienced and I've experienced a lot.
So yes yadayada, reflash, etc etc
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Hmm well I have never tried the Trinity kernel, just thought everyone raves about franco so why switch? Didn't know the GPU would effect general performance. Always thought it was just for gaming. Trinity can be OC'd?
Too MUCH pRon
shadow65781 said:
Thanks for this. I was on the fence between this or waiting for the gs3, currently running stock gb with adw pro on an exynos gs2, guess I'll just keep saving for the unlocked gs3 and hope Google Play carries it.
Don't bait the trolls.
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Ya man, never been a huge fan of the S2 due to the general design of the phone + I hate touchwiz and odin.
Yesterday I was fed up & Just put in an order for an HTC One S but then cancelled it today when I heard the speakerphone and saw how amplified the dots of the pixels really can get when you run Super Amoled on a 960 x 540 res.
LOVE LOVE LOVE Stock ICS.
Learn to clean out your recent apps menu. Google integrated a task manager into the recent apps menu for a reason.
Your phone lags because it's running low on memory, and 99% of developers suck at memory management. Just because you don't have a taskbar at the bottom of the screen telling you how many apps you have open doesn't mean there probably isn't something that you left open, hogging your system resources. The same thing has happened on desktop computers for years, what makes you think your phone is going to act any different?
I just know that I run stock 4.0.4 + root, and it works just fine, no lag whatsoever... But, since you say your phone has a loud speakerphone, it must not be the Galaxy Nexus lol... At least not an Ok one, because it surely has one of the worst speakerphone I have ever heard... And don't call me Shirley!
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Learn to clean out your recent apps menu. Google integrated a task manager into the recent apps menu for a reason.
Your phone lags because it's running low on memory, and 99% of developers suck at memory management. Just because you don't have a taskbar at the bottom of the screen telling you how many apps you have open doesn't mean there probably isn't something that you left open, hogging your system resources. The same thing has happened on desktop computers for years, what makes you think your phone is going to act any different?
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You could be right on this. I dont ever restart my phone and I always just Go home when I'm done. Any way to have it auto kill after about an Hour or so?
Im surprised Thats not something Google would have implemented in ICS just for performance?
HinotoriBR said:
I just know that I run stock 4.0.4 + root, and it works just fine, no lag whatsoever... But, since you say your phone has a loud speakerphone, it must not be the Galaxy Nexus lol... At least not an Ok one, because it surely has one of the worst speakerphone I have ever heard... And don't call me Shirley!
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You must not have Owned any HTC phones
"Surely you cant be serious??!?"
"I am serious, and stop calling me Shirley"
earlyberd said:
Learn to clean out your recent apps menu. Google integrated a task manager into the recent apps menu for a reason.
Your phone lags because it's running low on memory, and 99% of developers suck at memory management. Just because you don't have a taskbar at the bottom of the screen telling you how many apps you have open doesn't mean there probably isn't something that you left open, hogging your system resources. The same thing has happened on desktop computers for years, what makes you think your phone is going to act any different?
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This is not at all necessary...
martonikaj said:
This is not at all necessary...
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Why do you say that?
(As i Just got finished downloading ATK)
EyeAndroid said:
You could be right on this. I dont ever restart my phone and I always just Go home when I'm done. Any way to have it auto kill after about an Hour or so?
Im surprised Thats not something Google would have implemented in ICS just for performance?
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i have a SG2...getting my nexus delivered tomorrow so i started browsing the nexus section...
for starters on any android you shouldnt press home unless you are leaving the app for a brief moment and are planning on going back to it...home will keep the app running...you have to use the back key to close out of many apps (especially the ones that dont have a designated exit button)
app management is very crucial but auto killing isnt good for the system...android will close apps on its own as space is needed...however there are certain apps that are service hogs and eat up ram...i am somewhat of an app hoarder but i know which apps to keep and which to get rid of...normally if you have like 120mb of free ram or so a dual core phone shouldnt ever lag...if it lags its not due to memory
on my SG2 i have like 200+ apps but almost always have like 250mb ram free (even without a reboot for several days)...on the rare occasions that i feel it lag i check and sometimes i will see that it dropped down to like 80mb free...a quick reboot fixes it
its also good to reboot your phone every few days
I'm reading a bone stock sprint galaxy nexus. I have no lag at all. And I'm coming from an epic touch. In my experience custom rom's slow down after a while. Which is why I usually stay stock with root.
EyeAndroid said:
You could be right on this. I dont ever restart my phone and I always just Go home when I'm done. Any way to have it auto kill after about an Hour or so?
Im surprised Thats not something Google would have implemented in ICS just for performance?
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You want to try to avoid automated task killers because they can lead to stability issues if they're too aggressive, and as an additional background process they have the potential to eat your battery life. The safest way to kill apps is just by swiping them away with the recent apps menu.
Google tries really hard to implement a good system of memory management in Android, the problem is just that developers don't really utilize it. You can clearly see the difference especially if you like to run alternative browsers or old games. All of the stock Google apps work great and I can keep them open forever, but if I leave StumbleUpon or Plants Vs. Zombies open in the background long enough my phone will start to chug.
I was hoping to get maybe a little longer out of my gnex, considering that IMO i dont do very taxing things, and when i bought it - those things seemed to work fine.
In the past few months, i started using google music - and the phone is simply too slow to keep up. Besides that, all i do is listen to a few podcasts, gmail, etc, but everything seems like its in slow motion. Chrome is unbearable - i just avoid using it anymore. The funny thing is that i dont remember this phone being THAT slow. I know overtime, my definition of slow will change as faster phones come out, but i have almost no experience with anything newer than my phone. Even my captivate seems about as fast as the nexus - which is a VERY old phone.
Right now im running slimbean from about a month ago.
Anyone else having these troubles? Anything i can do to speed it up a bit?
Im probably gonna pick up a gs4 nexus once i see it for a little less than its selling for now. Which model is the best to buy? Id be running AOSP software on whichever one i pick, so strictly hardware wise - which is the best? Do i want the one from korea with the octacore whatever - or should i go with ATT/tmobiles version? Which version does google play sell? What about the gs4 active? Ive heard the internals are a bit different, and its not AMOLED like the others.
Thanks for any advice!
I'm running PA 3.65 on lk 7. Oc'd to 1.3 ghz. Phone seems pretty fluid to me. Definitely there is a difference between my phone and say, a Galaxy s3, but it's not to where it makes me feel my phone is obsolete. Plus, the gnex has a great development base with not only Roms but kernels as well. This extends the lives of our devices greatly. I plan to stick and wait it out a while longer myself.
My advice, delve deeper into your gnex and try some more combinations and tweaks. See if there's something you could do. Currently I've been on a governor binge--trying all the various governors, looking for the best for me, battery-wise and performance. Overall I'm happy.
Hope this helps.
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I was hoping to get maybe a little longer out of my gnex, considering that IMO i dont do very taxing things, and when i bought it - those things seemed to work fine.
In the past few months, i started using google music - and the phone is simply too slow to keep up. Besides that, all i do is listen to a few podcasts, gmail, etc, but everything seems like its in slow motion. Chrome is unbearable - i just avoid using it anymore. The funny thing is that i dont remember this phone being THAT slow. I know overtime, my definition of slow will change as faster phones come out, but i have almost no experience with anything newer than my phone. Even my captivate seems about as fast as the nexus - which is a VERY old phone.
Right now im running slimbean from about a month ago.
Anyone else having these troubles? Anything i can do to speed it up a bit?
Im probably gonna pick up a gs4 nexus once i see it for a little less than its selling for now. Which model is the best to buy? Id be running AOSP software on whichever one i pick, so strictly hardware wise - which is the best? Do i want the one from korea with the octacore whatever - or should i go with ATT/tmobiles version? Which version does google play sell? What about the gs4 active? Ive heard the internals are a bit different, and its not AMOLED like the others.
Thanks for any advice!
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I'm on stock 4.2.2 which is rooted and I've modified certain elements using Paul O'Brien's MoDaCo Toolkit (which uses the Xposed Framework Mod). I think about upgrading from time to time but never because I feel I need to. I am more than happy with my Galaxy Nexus (bearing in mind I don't play intensive games).
I would wait a bit longer and see what the LG Optimus G2 is like and maybe upgrade early 2014. The next Nexus might be released in November anyway.
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if u want the S4, go for the Snapdragon version coz it has more development goin on
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My phone is amazingly fast. I dont zee any lag and I dare tot say it is faster then my friends sgs3. I am using XenonHD 11.1 and Aspk b11 kernel..
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mrgnex said:
My phone is amazingly fast. I dont zee any lag and I dare tot say it is faster then my friends sgs3. I am using XenonHD 11.1 and Aspk b11 kernel..
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+1 to that
maybe time slowed down for him xD
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"Upgrade" to android 4.1 and your phone will suddenly seem like less of a bag.
Seraz007 said:
+1 to that
maybe time slowed down for him xD
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At least he can try
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mrgnex said:
My phone is amazingly fast. I dont zee any lag and I dare tot say it is faster then my friends sgs3. I am using XenonHD 11.1 and Aspk b11 kernel..
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I don't think the phone is really slow, it's just that the amount of memory available is starting to be a problem. When you have plenty of memory the phone is fine, but between the OS, Chrome, the new Hangouts, the new Music player, and whatever else you have running you can quickly run out of memory and when all your background apps are restarting the phone is definitely not smooth.
Since 4.2.2 the Gnex started to be more laggy. If you use a custom rom and kernel (i.e. CM 10.1 based rom and fancy or franco or ak kernel) you can indeed tweak it up so it feels quite fast again, then again, the battery drains like crazy, a solution for this is buy an extended 3800mAh battery (I've one in my Nexus and it at least doubles the battery life, means you EASILY get through the day, even with overclocked settings and heavy use).
Imo it's still a very nice device.. But don't expect quad core performance from a 2011 dual core phone
My Note 2 with AOSP 4.2.2 rom absolutely is a beast and battery life is awesome (stock 3100mAh battery).
So long story short, if you overall still like your nexus: install CM 10.1 and i.e. fancy kernel, overclock it to about 1.4GHz, get the extended 3800mAh battery and it will make a big difference already to stock.
If you have enough money aside and feel like having something new, get a SGS4 or HTC One (awesome design), or if you like a big screen on top of that like me, I definitely recommend the Note 2 (it's considerably cheaper than the SGS4 and in terms of performance with irl use the difference is not really noticeable), or wait for the Note 3 .
When is a downgrade an upgrade?
lourivellini said:
I was hoping to get maybe a little longer out of my gnex, considering that IMO i dont do very taxing things, and when i bought it - those things seemed to work fine.
In the past few months, i started using google music - and the phone is simply too slow to keep up. Besides that, all i do is listen to a few podcasts, gmail, etc, but everything seems like its in slow motion. Chrome is unbearable - i just avoid using it anymore. The funny thing is that i dont remember this phone being THAT slow. I know overtime, my definition of slow will change as faster phones come out, but i have almost no experience with anything newer than my phone. Even my captivate seems about as fast as the nexus - which is a VERY old phone.
Right now im running slimbean from about a month ago.
Anyone else having these troubles? Anything i can do to speed it up a bit?
Im probably gonna pick up a gs4 nexus once i see it for a little less than its selling for now. Which model is the best to buy? Id be running AOSP software on whichever one i pick, so strictly hardware wise - which is the best? Do i want the one from korea with the octacore whatever - or should i go with ATT/tmobiles version? Which version does google play sell? What about the gs4 active? Ive heard the internals are a bit different, and its not AMOLED like the others.
Thanks for any advice!
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Before you write your phone off, try going back to 4.1.2. I've been using MiNCO v5 (which was my favourite 4.1.2 ROM, comes with franco's milestone 6 and is super stable and minimal.) Just flash v2.1 of this transformation pack as if it were a gapps package (actual gapps are already built into the ROM)
Your phone will have all the 4.2.2 goodies (except toggles and LS widgets, but there's an app for that) with none of the slow sluggish feel.
Try it. I promise you won't be disappointed.
P.S This mod and crossbreeder are the only 2 additions I'd STRONGLY reccomend. The first unifies the "holo" theme of stock JB (read the thread, it's awesome!) and the second does some amazing things which include system wide adblocking and smooth DNS caching just for starters.
P.P.S If you go back to 4.1.2 just make sure you have the latest radio for your region and DON'T RESTORE SYSTEM APPS FROM TITANIUM BACKUP.
thanks for all the responses. I think ill try the few roms and kernels you guys suggested before bailing on this phone. I personally like my rom to be as close to stock as possible, which is why ive been using slim bean for so long. I think ill try CM first before any other rom, or possibly going back to 4.1 like someone suggested.
Since available memory is probably the issue, is it worth using titanium backup to freeze apps that I never use? I dont use hangouts or anything like that.
Like i said i really dont ever play games or anything, these are the only apps I ever use:
Stock apps: phone, gmail, messaging, calendar, camera, gallery, calculator, clock, play store
aldiko
chrome
doggcatcher
drive
dropbox
fitbit (does not sync with tracker)
gmote
keep (installed but i never really use)
maps/nav/street view
NOVA launcher (forgot about this - could this be the source of my lag?)
play music (like i mentioned this destroys my phone)
reddit is fun
screen filter
seekdroid
smart voice recorder
swype (much better than stock gestures)
tapatalk
titanium backup
voice
youtube
Gonna go try some roms and report back.
@Seraz007 - which is the snapdragon version? The one google is selling directly?
@kaoskilo - how do i know which radio i should be using? I use AT&T and im located in CT, USA.
lourivellini said:
thanks for all the responses. I think ill try the few roms and kernels you guys suggested before bailing on this phone. I personally like my rom to be as close to stock as possible, which is why ive been using slim bean for so long. I think ill try CM first before any other rom, or possibly going back to 4.1 like someone suggested.
Since available memory is probably the issue, is it worth using titanium backup to freeze apps that I never use? I dont use hangouts or anything like that.
Like i said i really dont ever play games or anything, these are the only apps I ever use:
Stock apps: phone, gmail, messaging, calendar, camera, gallery, calculator, clock, play store
aldiko
chrome
doggcatcher
drive
dropbox
fitbit (does not sync with tracker)
gmote
keep (installed but i never really use)
maps/nav/street view
NOVA launcher (forgot about this - could this be the source of my lag?)
play music (like i mentioned this destroys my phone)
reddit is fun
screen filter
seekdroid
smart voice recorder
swype (much better than stock gestures)
tapatalk
titanium backup
voice
youtube
Gonna go try some roms and report back.
@Seraz007 - which is the snapdragon version? The one google is selling directly?
@kaoskilo - how do i know which radio i should be using? I use AT&T and im located in CT, USA.
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Try greenify instead of faffing about with freeze and unfreeze in TB. Also, this might be the radio you want, I'm not sure if you're gsm or cdma on AT&T (I'm from the UK) so the best way is to check in your settings on your current setup:
Settings>About phone>Baseband version
Though I'd highly recommend reading the thread just to check, it's amazing how big the change is when using an out of date radio.
pfmiller said:
I don't think the phone is really slow, it's just that the amount of memory available is starting to be a problem. When you have plenty of memory the phone is fine, but between the OS, Chrome, the new Hangouts, the new Music player, and whatever else you have running you can quickly run out of memory and when all your background apps are restarting the phone is definitely not smooth.
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I'm no expert but it seems to me that Android devices are similar to Windows in respect to slowing down over time. I think the complexity of today's apps contribute greatly to a phones alitity to keep up but not as much as you may think. I uses chache cleaner ng to get rid of a good portion of garbage on a regular basis and once in awile a fresh flash really speeds things up again. Don't forget about all those apps we think we need but never use. Get rid of them.
I ran errands today Streaming Slacker Radio, running navigation, and answering and making phone calls and my phone never game me a reason to think it was time to a new one.
Here is my solution - I suffered the same problem like you.
First, it has nothing to do with low memory. Android stops "old" apps, if it needs memory. There are about 1 million posts about that (wrong) story - but no one wants to listen to it
The problem is that the storage is not trimmed properly. You can use Lagfix to trim storage. Try it, it will work.
But the real solution is to factory reset your mobile (I mean wiping everything, restore the original system and root again). This way the storage will be trimmed too and it will be blazing fast again. If you leave at least 3GB free storage, the slowdown won't happen too soon again. Although a 4.2.2 ROM will then be fast too, the real speed you will only get with 4.1.2 (I'm using Liquidsmooth 2rc8 - fast, stable, feature rich).
That's my experience and I won't change my ROM until Android 5 is out... :fingers-crossed:
I get where you're coming from, but the GNex has a dual-core processer, with 1gb of RAM, if its feeling slow because you've been playing with you're friends quad-core phones with twice the RAM, then its definitely time to upgrade because no matter what ROM or Kernel you use, you're going to notice the difference. IMO I love my GNex, I'm running AOKP 4.2.2 and I couldn't be happier for the moment. However, when the Nexus 5 comes out I'll be the first in line.
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(I'm using Liquidsmooth 2rc8 - fast, stable, feature rich).
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Do you have a download link? I can only find that ROM for other devices than GNex.
I'm coming from Liquid Smooth 2.5 and running CM 10.0 since a few days. So far so good, but I'm missing a few features of Liquid Smooth and would love to give it a try again... Thanks!!
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First, it has nothing to do with low memory. Android stops "old" apps, if it needs memory. There are about 1 million posts about that (wrong) story - but no one wants to listen to it
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I know how Android memory management works, and that's exactly what I'm taking about. When apps get stopped it makes the phone slower because the apps need to be started again when you go back to them.
hudl said:
Here is my solution - I suffered the same problem like you.
First, it has nothing to do with low memory. Android stops "old" apps, if it needs memory. There are about 1 million posts about that (wrong) story - but no one wants to listen to it
The problem is that the storage is not trimmed properly. You can use Lagfix to trim storage. Try it, it will work.
But the real solution is to factory reset your mobile (I mean wiping everything, restore the original system and root again). This way the storage will be trimmed too and it will be blazing fast again. If you leave at least 3GB free storage, the slowdown won't happen too soon again. Although a 4.2.2 ROM will then be fast too, the real speed you will only get with 4.1.2 (I'm using Liquidsmooth 2rc8 - fast, stable, feature rich).
That's my experience and I won't change my ROM until Android 5 is out... :fingers-crossed:
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Trimming /data trims the storage as well as storage is /data/media. I don't think every phone is affected by this trim problem as they don't all use the same emmc (see the trim thread in this forum).
I also agree with you 100% that 4.1.2 performed a lot faster for me than 4.2.2 on my Galaxy Nexus. I don't think the hardware of the Galaxy Nexus or even the Nexus 7 fully handled Android 4.2 smoothly. Software optimizations could improve that. Actually on my HTC One on the GE (AOSP like) version of 4.2.2, the UI could get a little jittery.
While I agree with you that Android killing apps is normal when it runs low on memory, I can confirm CM10 killed apps a lot less often than CM10.1. Even with the memory leak patches implemented earlier this year into CM10.1, my RAM would get low enough that the lowmemorykiller would kick into gear a lot more often than CM10. I don't think this is the only cause of slowness in Android 4.2 but it can contribute. The most likely candidate is systemUI which Google changed how it works as in 4.2 it shows the background on the launcher in recents instead of overlaying recents on top of your current app. As that has to load the wallpaper from the launcher it may slow down if it has to pull it from memory.
PS. You say you won't change your ROM until Android 5 is out but 4.3 may fix a lot of the issues in 4.2 and the updated bluetooth support is a must have for users with Low Energy devices.
lourivellini said:
thanks for all the responses. I think ill try the few roms and kernels you guys suggested before bailing on this phone. I personally like my rom to be as close to stock as possible, which is why ive been using slim bean for so long. I think ill try CM first before any other rom, or possibly going back to 4.1 like someone suggested.
Since available memory is probably the issue, is it worth using titanium backup to freeze apps that I never use? I dont use hangouts or anything like that.
Like i said i really dont ever play games or anything, these are the only apps I ever use:
Stock apps: phone, gmail, messaging, calendar, camera, gallery, calculator, clock, play store
aldiko
chrome
doggcatcher
drive
dropbox
fitbit (does not sync with tracker)
gmote
keep (installed but i never really use)
maps/nav/street view
NOVA launcher (forgot about this - could this be the source of my lag?)
play music (like i mentioned this destroys my phone)
reddit is fun
screen filter
seekdroid
smart voice recorder
swype (much better than stock gestures)
tapatalk
titanium backup
voice
youtube
Gonna go try some roms and report back.
@Seraz007 - which is the snapdragon version? The one google is selling directly?
@kaoskilo - how do i know which radio i should be using? I use AT&T and im located in CT, USA.
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U live in the US? then u should've no problem gettin the snapdragon version
Snapdragon version is the quad core one not exynos( Octa core)
More devving for the Quad Core one since samsung didn't release exynos source code
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Hi guys, I just got the tab 3 8.0, and I like most part of it but the performance is seriously bad..I have already restored all my apps from Google server. While running apps and switching between them, I can't take all the lags it has. I just got it today so I can return it if I want but I'm wondering if rooting this device actually gains much performance improvements. I used to have a galaxy s2x, which has a similar if not worse spec than this tablet, and I don't know if It was because I running rooted version of touchwiz or not but the performance was pretty good. This tablet is much worse. A simple reboot fixes the lag but after a few hours, as I use it, I notice the stutters while using it. I just had a serious lag in Google plus app, it was stuttering so bad, but it came back to smooth after 5 seconds.
So will installing the custom Rom available for tab 3 8.0 improve the performance significantly? I know there are not many ROMs for tab 3 8.0, so any user of this device just rooted the tab and tweak it themselves to gain performance improvements? Not just little bit, but a lot.
Thanks!
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Hi guys, I just got the tab 3 8.0, and I like most part of it but the performance is seriously bad..I have already restored all my apps from Google server. While running apps and switching between them, I can't take all the lags it has. I just got it today so I can return it if I want but I'm wondering if rooting this device actually gains much performance improvements. I used to have a galaxy s2x, which has a similar if not worse spec than this tablet, and I don't know if It was because I running rooted version of touchwiz or not but the performance was pretty good. This tablet is much worse. A simple reboot fixes the lag but after a few hours, as I use it, I notice the stutters while using it. I just had a serious lag in Google plus app, it was stuttering so bad, but it came back to smooth after 5 seconds.
So will installing the custom Rom available for tab 3 8.0 improve the performance significantly? I know there are not many ROMs for tab 3 8.0, so any user of this device just rooted the tab and tweak it themselves to gain performance improvements? Not just little bit, but a lot.
Thanks!
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One thread is enough, you don't have to post the same question in multiple sections.
As I said on your other thread, stop blaming the device and look at your apps. My 8.0 isn't laggy at all. In fact it's pretty zippy. Chances are one of your apps is causing the issue or you have too much stuff filling your memory. Do a factory reset. If the lag stays gone add your apps back a couple at a time till you find the one that's not playing nice. How much free space/memory do you have left? The fact that the lag goes away when you reboot points to it being an app problem.
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Hi guys, I just got the tab 3 8.0, and I like most part of it but the performance is seriously bad..I have already restored all my apps from Google server. While running apps and switching between them, I can't take all the lags it has. I just got it today so I can return it if I want but I'm wondering if rooting this device actually gains much performance improvements. I used to have a galaxy s2x, which has a similar if not worse spec than this tablet, and I don't know if It was because I running rooted version of touchwiz or not but the performance was pretty good. This tablet is much worse. A simple reboot fixes the lag but after a few hours, as I use it, I notice the stutters while using it. I just had a serious lag in Google plus app, it was stuttering so bad, but it came back to smooth after 5 seconds.
So will installing the custom Rom available for tab 3 8.0 improve the performance significantly? I know there are not many ROMs for tab 3 8.0, so any user of this device just rooted the tab and tweak it themselves to gain performance improvements? Not just little bit, but a lot.
Thanks!
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go to developers options and turn off all animations,
also disable CPU power saving option in power saving mode,
then check if you feel any difference
Thanks for replies guys!
So I believe it was ram issue. Too little ram left when it was stuttering really bad. However, I'm wondering why this device was not releasing ram by closing open apps for the forgoing app to run well. This is the android way of managing ram isn't it? But when I checked the ram manager in the task manager app that came with the tab, there was very little ram left, less than 100mb I believe.
After I have been using it for more now, I also rooted it, and I deleted almost all the unnecessary bloatware. I think I see a huge improvement in performance after I did this, deleting bloatware.
The tablet runs pretty well now.
Although..I still see some stutters in animations, where the animation has dropped frame rates. Is this just due to Touchwiz? It doesn't happen every time, but sometime when opening app, or switching between apps in recent apps panel. The animations sometimes are pretty choppy. It is not a huge deal, but I just remember that my S2X was much smoother. Maybe it's because I was running a custom rom which was heavily tweaked by deviant development.
Any info would be great!
Thanks for your help again guys.
Hmmm, i have no problem at all, the tab 3 runs pretty smooth, stock. Now I have set the animations to 0.5 in developer options and it runs even smoother. Ok, it's not as fast as the Note 2, but it runs very nice. Very happy with it. (Using Nova launcher)
(I also disabled some if the apps that come with it, SNS Samsung Facebook, Samsung widgets, flipboard an the lot)
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Hmmm, i have no problem at all, the tab 3 runs pretty smooth, stock. Now I have set the animations to 0.5 in developer options and it runs even smoother. Ok, it's not as fast as the Note 2, but it runs very nice. Very happy with it. (Using Nova launcher)
(I also disabled some if the apps that come with it, SNS Samsung Facebook, Samsung widgets, flipboard an the lot)
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I see. Mine is running pretty nice right now but I'm feel kind of afraid as I use it thinking "will this animation be choppy?" As I long press the home button or something. Lol I really don't like choppiness.
So you don't notice ANY choppiness in animation? I want to know if it's only my device so that I can figure out what's the cause. I'm using nova launcher as well btw.
Thanks!
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I see. Mine is running pretty nice right now but I'm feel kind of afraid as I use it thinking "will this animation be choppy?" As I long press the joke button or something. Lol I really don't like choppiness.
So you don't notice ANY choppiness in animation? I want to know if it's only my device so that I can figure out what's the cause. I'm using nova launcher as well btw.
Thanks!
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Can't remember I did. Running smooth.
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Can't remember I did. Running smooth.
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Okay thanks for letting me know. Now I need to find why sometimes it lags even though it's better than before now. Hmm..
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I have a Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1 SM-T520.
i just tried the new Tab S 10.5 and it is way smoother than the Tab Pro 10.1, has anyone else noticed this?
Now because these devices are pretty much identical except for the extra 1gb of RAM in the Tab S, so if I increase the RAM in my Tab Pro using Roehsoft Ram Expander could I expect my Tab Pro 10.1 will become smoother?
Also would I be able to flash the Tab S ROM on my Tab Pro? would it work without any problems? In case it has more optimized software?
Kind feel gipped that both devices are essentially the same yet the Tab S is miles smoother.
Thanks Guys
Both Tab S and Tab Pro have 3gb ram don't they.
I have the 12.2 Tab Pro and that says it as 3gb ram
Only the 12.2.
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Both Tab S and Tab Pro have 3gb ram don't they.
I have the 12.2 Tab Pro and that says it as 3gb ram
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10.1 has 2 GB.
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bought the 10.1 at BB on release day and have been there several times lately looking at the S and besides tthe screen size and improved screen (this doesnt mean that much to me) i am very pleased with the 10.1 and they seem to behave the same with all my looking.
i dont think having their rom would change anything and honeslty my 10.1 isnt laggy and has replaced my laptop for everything but for work.
i am certain that we will see some kind of S Pro or something hit later this year when the holidays hit and i will jump then.
i turned on Developer Options and set animations to 0 as i always do on everything and mine runs smooth.
Sammy has just this week firgured out how to actually get 6 of the 8 cores working together at once and we havent seen that update and probabaly wont for some time and that will make a huge difference.
also if like me you are on the web a lot with all that white background you will get better battery life on 10.1 but if your a video person with all the black background time you gain with the S.
I think all new android devices run the smoothest when they are new. As you download apps u can't help but have stuff running in the background. Android devices tend to slow down the longer you have them based on my experience.
I imagine demo mode is probably meant to run as fast as possible so that buyers aren't turned off by lag etc. If you have lag on your pro it has to have something to do with an app pulling too much ram. However, that extra 1gb of ram probably makes a difference. I know it did with my note 3 vs every other Samsung device I've owned. My pro 8.4 doesn't lag but it doesn't feel as fast as my note 2014 did while I had it. Software optimization has never been Samsung's strong suit.
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I think all new android devices run the smoothest when they are new. As you download apps u can't help but have stuff running in the background. Android devices tend to slow down the longer you have them based on my experience.
I imagine demo mode is probably meant to run as fast as possible so that buyers aren't turned off by lag etc. If you have lag on your pro it has to have something to do with an app pulling too much ram. However, that extra 1gb of ram probably makes a difference. I know it did with my note 3 vs every other Samsung device I've owned. My pro 8.4 doesn't lag but it doesn't feel as fast as my note 2014 did while I had it. Software optimization has never been Samsung's strong suit.
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To be honest the best thing you can do to fight lag on the tab pro is dump the horrible Magazine UX launcher. Samsung really sucks as a software company and it really shows with Magazine UX. Google OTOH makes some of the best software and it shows with the Google Now Launcher.
BTW I tried really hard to force myself to use magazine ux for 6 weeks after I got my tab pro. What a waste of time. I was wondering why my battery always ran down fast, and the app drawer was laggy etc. But it turned out it was the god-awful Touchwiz/Magazine UX bullsht the whole time. Switched to GNL and it was like i had a new tablet (again!)
Seriously if anyone is complaining about lag and is still using Touchwiz, I'd say that the solution is right in front of their nose, lol
What should I do if I want to switch to GNL..just install it from play store ?
Do I have to uninstall the Touchwiz as well ?
Can I go back to Touchwiz if don't like the GNL at a later time ?
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Obing said:
What should I do if I want to switch to GNL..just install it from play store ?
Do I have to uninstall the Touchwiz as well ?
Can I go back to Touchwiz if don't like the GNL at a later time ?
Thanks
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no, u can only install it from the play store if you have a Nexus device. for Galaxy Tab devices, you need to sideload the apk.
see here:
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...-drive-google-now-launcher-and-play-services/
No need to uninstall Touchwiz. it stays on your device, but it won't be always running if you switch to GNL.
of course you can switch back later if you want. btw if u decide to switch to GNL, i suggest removing all icons/widgets from your Touchwiz home screens and re-adding them to your GNL home screens.
Thanks and will try soon..
I can only speak of the Tab Pro 8.4. But it was laggy on TouchWiz, and going to a CM based ROM made it much smoother. Honestly, I don't see any of the TouchWiz features (with exception of MultiWindow) to be of any added value; and I'm hardly missing TouchWiz one bit (again, MW is all I miss).
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I can only speak of the Tab Pro 8.4. But it was laggy on TouchWiz, and going to a CM based ROM made it much smoother. Honestly, I don't see any of the TouchWiz features (with exception of MultiWindow) to be of any added value; and I'm hardly missing TouchWiz one bit (again, MW is all I miss).
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personally i use All Share, Hancom Widget, WatchON, love Samsung Calendar, SideSync, love the Email, and a few others i am sure i am forgetting. i use to despise TW and all layovers but TW has grown on me. like my Note 3 i will take the custom TW based Roms and use Root and Xposed to customize it the way i like versus trying to force back CM like Roms to give me the TW features back i like which never works right when going that direction.
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personally i use All Share, Hancom Widget, WatchON, love Samsung Calendar, SideSync, love the Email, and a few others i am sure i am forgetting. i use to despise TW and all layovers but TW has grown on me.
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Yup, I completely recognize its a matter of personal taste, how you use your device, etc. I kinda had a love/hate relationship with WatchON. The rest, I either didn't have much use for, or didn't like them. I actually stayed stock on my Note 8 for the year I used it (broke the screen), but I am the opposite of you on the Tab Pro (how TouchWiz grew on you), I was fine with TouchWiz before and for whatever reason now I can't stand it. I was using CleanROM for a couple months. But now I'm on Codename Lungo (CM based) and can't imagine going back to a TouchWiz ROM.
I've had the Tab S 10.5 for about a month now and the lag while using everyday apps is driving me crazy. My top three offenders are:
1. Chrome
2. Play Newsstand
3. Play Store
I've done the following to help improve things:
- Changed launcher to Nova.
- Disabled bloatware (everything I can without rooting).
- Installed Chrome Samsung support library.
3D heavy games seem to run fine. My last tablet was a HP touchpad running CM11 so I am used to dealing with a few quirks. I stepped up to the Tab S to get away from some of that though. I know Android is infamous for scroll stutter, but it seems to me that a flagship tablet should easily beat out a bootleg touchpad.
Is this on par? Also, does anyone else's tab s get really hot around the touch screen near the Samsung logo? Maybe the Nexus 9 is worth another look. :silly:
Thanks for your comments.
Edit: I've read similar posts on lag. It seems like the argument boils down to: 1. Personal perception or 2. A mysterious "bad batch" of hardware.
i did the same steps,my tab is full of apps and games but i have 0 lag and the browsing is also fcking smooth. In the settings i also turned of features like dual window.
Are you sure you turned off fully power saving mode? About heating,if i play a game like gta or hearthstone i can also feel a warm area under samsung logo but is not hot and pretty common if you play games.
edith and use chrome beta instead of the standard chrome
Chrome lags on the tab s. Happens to most people. To fix over heating i installed a custom kernel that would optimise and prevent heating. Some big games do lag aswell.
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i did the same steps,my tab is full of apps and games but i have 0 lag and the browsing is also fcking smooth. In the settings i also turned of features like dual window.
Are you sure you turned off fully power saving mode? About heating,if i play a game like gta or hearthstone i can also feel a warm area under samsung logo but is not hot and pretty common if you play games.
edith and use chrome beta instead of the standard chrome
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I am already using chrome beta. The stock broswer is smoother.
can you upload a video to see the lag we are talking about?
I want to buy this tablet, and Ive read many posts about lag... but actually, is it very annoying? is there any video to see it?
Latiosman said:
can you upload a video to see the lag we are talking about?
I want to buy this tablet, and Ive read many posts about lag... but actually, is it very annoying? is there any video to see it?
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Only on certain apps. Chrome and a few others. On some games it just lags on loading screen but not during gameplay. Watch a veiw reviews on youtube. Theres some videos talking about the lag. Touchwiz launcher also has lag but can be fixed.
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can you upload a video to see the lag we are talking about?
I want to buy this tablet, and Ive read many posts about lag... but actually, is it very annoying? is there any video to see it?
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I think it depends on your perception of lag and what apps you mainly use. In my case, Chrome and Newsstand are always up so I see the lag constantly. I wish I had a Nexus 9 side by side for comparison. If I get a chance I'll take a video, but it might be hard to see. I played with a demo model at Best Buy and it seemed faster than mine as well.
I came from a iPad mini 2 (last year's model) to this tablet. As smooth as my iPad was I have to say I have very little if any lag on mine. It's runs beautifully for me. I'm OCD, any bit of lag would drive me up the wall. I really don't notice hardly anything. I'm still running bone stock everything minus using Nova launcher. Don't even feel like I need to root or flash anything. Although I'm going to once there is a root released for my model. Maybe I'm just lucky I don't know. Have had zero issues.
I'm used to an overloaded gs3 so this looks ultra smooth to me [emoji3]
It lags more with multiple user logged in, always reboot of you don't need the additional user
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I came from a iPad mini 2 (last year's model) to this tablet. As smooth as my iPad was I have to say I have very little if any lag on mine. It's runs beautifully for me. I'm OCD, any bit of lag would drive me up the wall. I really don't notice hardly anything. I'm still running bone stock everything minus using Nova launcher. Don't even feel like I need to root or flash anything. Although I'm going to once there is a root released for my model. Maybe I'm just lucky I don't know. Have had zero issues.
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For example, this thread's website lags a great deal in chrome beta when scrolling. Other sites aren't too bad. Newsstand is the worst though. Are you using the stock broswer?
This site does lag a little when scrolling. That I do have to admit. For whatever reason it doesn't really bother me however. I've never noticed any scroll stutter on stock android so I attribute it to touchwiz. This thing debloated or running a custom rom probably flys. I imagine any scroll stutter would be gone at that point.
I use the stock browser. I was never a fan of chrome. I know that on touchwiz your going to get the best performance from the stock browser unless there's a fix I'm unaware of which could be a possibility. Newsstand I actually haven't used so I can't speak for it. TouchWiz is just eating up so much ram. I'm like always at 1.5 to 2 gigs of ram with nothing running (other then the tons of unnecessary system apps I can't terminate) That is pretty ridiculous to me. Is touchwiz smooth as stock android? Definitely not. But I really have little to no lag other then scroll stutter on certain sites. I'm still going to root and debloat this thing when it's available for my model so I can truly experience the power of this tablet.
Lol, chrome sucks
It's about time Samsung optimised their flagship device. Had 3 since July and they all lag, stutter when scrolling and render pics poorly. Nova didnt fix the problems and changing some apps like using chrome beta marginally helped.
About time they fixed this via an update rather than just forget about the device and launch more/different models. Samsung will always fail unless it focuses on a core product set and spend the time making the hardware work properly with the software.
I was attacked when I first got my first device for stating lag. Whether an first time user or someone who doesn't want to root (glad I didn't after having 3 replacements), I shouldn't have to kill apps, install different roms and root.
Certain other OS fix problems like these quickly. Where's support from Samsung??
I have the note 4, their es8000 led TV, fridge freezer and various other bits so I'm not a Samsung hater by any means, just someone who expects upgrades to fix problems.
It's hard to determine how much lag is there until you run the same apps side by side with another tablet.
Over Xmas I got a chance to do just that. Ran S 10.5 side by side with my sister's nexus 7 2013. Both running kit kat (hers is 4.4.3 instead of 4.4.2).
Play Store and chrome both run smoother on hers, less jerking and stopping when scrolling. Tapatalk about same. She has Google now launcher, feels faster and smoother than nova launcher on mine. Overall, every thing just feels a little smoother and more fluid.
Granted, the nexus is 1920x1200 so it's pushing fewer pixels around, but the nexus is one year older and I paid $179 for it vs $379 for the S.
I think Samsung slapped on the OLED display and said heh, good enough. Which is true because I bought it
Custom Rom?
I made a rom that is all stock, just a few optimisations. Better performance, better batterylife and so on, here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/development/prerooted-stock-touchwiz-rom-t2973107
I'd use only stock browser, if it had a full screen option and some gestures, but nope.
My alternative browser is maxthon pioneer, it has everything but stutters a lot
I've had my S 10 since August....I don't like chrome, never have, but after reading all this I opened chrome and came to this forum and I see no issues at all. NONE, other than I don't like chrome
I'm stock not rooted or ROMed. I have Apex launcher installed since day one and disabled all the Samsung and google bloat I could disable.
I have no issues with this tablet other than posting on some forums is a little quirky but that's just the way things are. I normally use Dolphin with the Jetpack or Boat Browser for tablet.
I love this tablet! Sure beats the stuffing out of my Asus TF700T! What a total POC that is!
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I'd use only stock browser, if it had a full screen option and some gestures, but nope.
My alternative browser is maxthon pioneer, it has everything but stutters a lot
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I just throw in a wipe cache once every few days, and stock browser experience is very smooth, even with the second account logged on, with Facebook, dropbox, carousel and plenty other services in background
Don't worry about the Lag
This lag on Tab S is only temporarily, the Android 5.0 will get rid of 90% of the lag. I know this for fact because I have Note 3 with Touch-wiz it lags often, after installing Android 5.0 I have NOT ONCE run into lag after 1 month of using it.
As of now, the Tab S is supporting android 5.0 cm 12 which there should definitely be no lag but again its unofficial ROM as of now, there are still things they are working on. Samsung's android 5.0 will get rid significant amount of lag, because Android 5.0 have 60 fps animation smoothness, and efficient RAM usage.
I've also heard rumors Samsung is working to refreshing their Touchwiz Interface with slim amount of lag. So, the future is promising.
As of now, if you really can't stand the lag, Install the Android 5.0 ROM for Cm 12, there are afew things not working in their such as Camera, NFC or something else, but the usage should show NO LAG!!!
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As of now, if you really can't stand the lag, Install the Android 5.0 ROM for Cm 12, there are afew things not working in their such as Camera, NFC or something else, but the usage should show NO LAG!!!
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Cyanogenmod for Galaxy tab S??