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Free internal memory: how much?

...and by safe I really mean a logical, usable size for caches etc. In example, a size which wouldn't give me problems when, I'm browsing in "heavy" websites, downloading through marketplace, or receiving messages and emails.
Since I got my desire and flashed the latest LeeDroid ROM, I've started installing apps like there's no tomorrow. Naturally, most of them I just try and discard, but a lot of them I just keep on my phone even if I use them once a week, or even once a month. With A2SD enabled, I currently have a whopping 188 apps installed. I think they will soon classify a psychiatric condition named after me. That leaves me with around 25mb left in Internal storage, and around 20mb remaining in A2SD.
On my Touch Pro, again, with a [censored]load of apps installed, I usually left around 30mb of free memory, just for various caches. Would it be wise to do the same for android, or should I just wait for the "low space" notification to start clearing things out?.
So I'm wondering. How much free storage you guys have on your desire? And how much would you consider it would be wise to leave free. Would a full-featured site use more than, say 10mb of cache? Would we ever need more than 10mb of cache for mail or messages? Any other serious disadvantages of having an -almost full- internal storage space?
(I already got brut mod for google maps, so maps cache ain't a problem)
Sorry for the long post and possibly needless question... insomnia at it's best

akpidis said:
... How much free storage you guys have on your desire?
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Hit the wall today...
became unstable ..
trouble getting data connections (good reception area)
Camera app not connecting to camera
slow
Down to 8MB internal free !! (cachemate only freed additional 2MB)
214 apps ;-)
A2SD(+) 1.24 GB free / 1.92GB total
Time to delete apps now
Need a better a2sd(+) or bigger phone !

Yes I think that until the memory leak in the contacts storage is fixed, we Desire users are going to have to get used to doing a hard reset every month or so. Currently have 85mb of phone storage left after a hard reset last week. Before that I was down to 12Mb.

130MB using SuperVillain. I only have around 25 apps though.

Leave 10% or more free. Less than 10% will cause things to start breaking.

memory
hi guys iv got about 110 apps or so and still got 305mb mem on my desire and thats internal memory buy using data2sd very good the only problems i got is my phone crashes and freezes now and again thing its my sd card so is going to try another

I'm using LeeDroid's ROM and am left with about 22MB - how are you lot doing an app count? I know I've got quite few apps installed. It's a shame we have to worry about this. I thought I had saw the end of it when I moved from WM6.X devices!
Apps2ext/data2sd (or variants) seems to be the way forward, but as said, there seem to be stability issues at the moment.
The new Nexus S comes with 16GB nand memory - this is what all android phones should have had from the beginning - bigger internal memory.

WARNING, dont get it wrong.
The new Nexus S indeed has 16GB memory ...
But only 1GB for internal memory where you can use to install app.
It has 13 GB as "emulated SD card".
Read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=868772
sh500 said:
I'm using LeeDroid's ROM and am left with about 22MB - how are you lot doing an app count? I know I've got quite few apps installed. It's a shame we have to worry about this. I thought I had saw the end of it when I moved from WM6.X devices!
Apps2ext/data2sd (or variants) seems to be the way forward, but as said, there seem to be stability issues at the moment.
The new Nexus S comes with 16GB nand memory - this is what all android phones should have had from the beginning - bigger internal memory.
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That's still a lot of apps to be stored in 1GB! If that guy up there fit 200ish apps in around our 140MB of space with A2SD+, then theoretically you could put like nearly 1000 apps on the nexus S!

Ah I see...I take that back then!
How comes Apple can do it with their phones but none that are running Android can?? Is it simply a cost thing?
It's obviously apparent that many Android users are installing apps/games mounting way over 500MB.

Got data2ext and have 1.7GB free. I left some directories on the internal storage and created some links. I have to say it working pretty well. Almost no performance lost. Only noticed performance issue while playing asphalt hd.
But the internal storage of nexus s is a step forward. But still more improvement needed. Once they fix those storage issues we will get greater and bigger apps.
R
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

paulgun said:
214 apps ;-)
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down to only 172 apps (29 MB internal free)...
I Figure I could get another 100MB internal free by repackaging
a ROM by removing 99% of the install packages
and installing manually from copies from the FAT32 Sdcard after first boot.
This fresh install would push most of the installed files to the A2SD+ ext3 part of the sdcard.
Seems a waste of space having over 100MB flashed on r/o ROM storage,
taking away from internal:
/data/app/*.apk [9 MB]
/system/app/*.apk [98 MB] {HTC* 30MB }
/system/customize/resource/bootanimation.zip [2 MB]
Anyone tried this approach?
I suspect knowing what to leave to have a minimal system is the trick?
Can I boot with 0 system apps installed ?
I'm thinking "why not" , I can use the command line adb , so I don't think
I even need a gui or fileexplorer app at all ?
Will think about it when the latest LeeDroid has stablised... TBA

65 apps installed, for 55 MB total, and I've got 16MB of free internal storage...
Seriously, I'm reading a lot of thread on this matter and I can't figure out: what's wrong with this phone internal memory?
HTC States 512MB Rom and 576MB RAM (can't put the link here 'cause I'm noob but you can google it), if I'm not wrong the Rom is the apps storage, right?
With DiskUsage I see 147MB of total internal storage memory (a recurrent number, but on the threads I read no one seems to care about the 365MB vanished like fog in the mouring), occupied for a good 90% by apps, cache and data.
I've the official last Froyo Update (I only rooted it with unrevoked and substituted the recovery but the ROM is the official one), and I've set on SD card all the apps that permit it.
Yes I know that I must install app2sd and I'm shure I will do it soon, but that is not the point.
The point is: please, someone can explain to me where I'm wrong in my calculations, or what bug or know issue I'm missing?
spile wrote: "Yes I think that until the memory leak in the contacts storage is fixed..." but again: even this search lead me to an endless list of topics in wich someone say: "Hey my contacts storage on HTC Desire is 40MB, how's that? " and someone other: "Use apps2sd 'cause HTC is bad".
Worst: that's not my case, my contacts storage state 3MB.
Again I know that in a way or another I'm ending this with apps2sd, but again I say it's not my point: my point is I want to undestand where is the problem and, most of all, if complaining directly to HTC is a waste o time that put me as the last one in a row of people condemned to ***** about HTC Desire's memory for the rest of their's life
Sorry for the long rant but I've done my search (at least I've tried, maybe I missed that one topic of revelations) and I want to put all the informations on the table so to not waste more time of yours ^^;;;
Thanks anyway
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HTC Desire, software version: 2.29.405.2, rooted with unrevoked 3.

paulgun said:
I Figure I could get another 100MB internal free by repackaging
a ROM by removing 99% of the install packages
and installing manually from copies from the FAT32 Sdcard after first boot.
This fresh install would push most of the installed files to the A2SD+ ext3 part of the sdcard.
Seems a waste of space having over 100MB flashed on r/o ROM storage,
taking away from internal:
/data/app/*.apk [9 MB]
/system/app/*.apk [98 MB] {HTC* 30MB }
/system/customize/resource/bootanimation.zip [2 MB]
Anyone tried this approach?
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On second thoughts, it appears freeing space in /system,
won't really help /data much, so this would not help:
androidforums.com/desire-all-things-root/220627-faq-apps2sd-2.html#post1952939

sh500 said:
Apps2ext/data2sd (or variants) seems to be the way forward, but as said, there seem to be stability issues at the moment.
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After trying a dozen other things, I'd have to agree...
forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1598676#r2

Hit another wall today...
215+apps ;-)
A small number of apps won't install, even though >1GB internal free
using data2sd method.
talking-santa-free
raging-thunder-2-lite
The logs show it failed due to internal space
Perhaps /cache is too small now ?

im using my own cooked rom, and have atleast 300 apps installed, and i have 58mb free internal storage with 22mb cache partition, 190mb system partition and 222mb data partition

100mb free after 144 apps installed. Have N1table for data partition of 200mb. And app2sd helps a bit. No need for data2ext
Teleported from my brain cells

I've installed about 20mb of apps (fb @ 4.8mb, music app 5mb, rest = 10x<1mb apps w/ no cache usage) yet still only have about 14mb. Somehow I'm missing 100mb ish on a RUU'd Desire. Annoying.

Cirunz said:
65 apps installed, for 55 MB total, and I've got 16MB of free internal storage...
Seriously, I'm reading a lot of thread on this matter and I can't figure out: what's wrong with this phone internal memory?
HTC States 512MB Rom and 576MB RAM (can't put the link here 'cause I'm noob but you can google it), if I'm not wrong the Rom is the apps storage, right?
With DiskUsage I see 147MB of total internal storage memory (a recurrent number, but on the threads I read no one seems to care about the 365MB vanished like fog in the mouring), occupied for a good 90% by apps, cache and data.
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It did not vanish, the 365 mb is used by android system files and other stuff HTC throws into the phone. In theory, we only have 140+ mb to install apps.
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[Q] SD-card partitioning / storage layout on desire

Dear XDA forum,
since a few roms i always get a "low on storage" warning, even after factory reset and flashing a new rom.
So i'd want to ask for a small summery of what storage there is inside the desire and on the sdcard and how to solve this problem
My sdcard is 16GB class 10. I didnt partition it manually (i think).
according to my desire it has effective 14.2gb.about 2gb are used and 4gb are free? that doesnt sound right.
so i guess its 2 partitions?
could anyone please tell me which mountpoint is which?
and how do i solve the low storage problem? do i need some a2sd script or do i have to more the internal storage to the sdcard?
which mountpoints do the scripts actarlly move?
i have no problem with repartitioning my sdcard. i was given to understand that u usually need a fat32 partition (for apps i guess) and an ext2/3 partition afterwards. some scripts even allow a swap partition at the end of the sdcard to be used as swap space. is that a good idea?
i know its a lot of questions :/ but i hope for some good answers :>
thanks & greetings,
soomon

my advice would be to backup your sd card and (re)partition using gparted, start from scratch because I don't know what your current configuration is, step 5 here
choose ext3/ext4 partition (max ~1.5GB) depending on rom requirements, most support ext4 and should be slightly faster. most roms don't need swap partition.
in simple terms, your space will get taken up by apps (apks), dalvik cache, app cache and app data. most custom roms will automatically move apks to your sd-ext partition. there are various different scripts which move the other bits around. generally it is better to keep app data on internal (/data partition)
regardless of which rom you choose, use an app like 'diskusage' to browse all your partitions, so you can work out where and how all your space is being use.
to maximise space you also need to be s-off and correct hboot for the rom (again should be stated within each rom thread, or search within it)

ok so the first partition on the sdcard will become my sd-ext which will replace the /data partition on the internal storage.
I guess is hould try data2sd then?
with a class 10 it should not get that slow and i get loads of space on that partition.
thanks for your help.

also use links2d,very usefull.....

hi again,
as i see in a terminal emulator by typing "df -h"
my data is 150mb and has 15mb left, so i guess i better moe the whole partition to the sdcard as i'd have to move all the apps to the sdcard anyway sooner or later.
my /system has only 5mb of 250mb left. is that a problem?

soomon said:
hi again,
as i see in a terminal emulator by typing "df -h"
my data is 150mb and has 15mb left, so i guess i better moe the whole partition to the sdcard as i'd have to move all the apps to the sdcard anyway sooner or later.
my /system has only 5mb of 250mb left. is that a problem?
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depends entirely what rom you're running if any, and what scripts it uses. basically you should be able to find some way to install many apps without running out of space (one of the main reasons for rooting in the first place ).
with your current setup, you could try something like link2sd to just move apps and dalvik to sd, see if you have enough space that way. you shouldnt have to manually 'move to sd', keeping them on 'internal' tricks them to sd-ext. (you can use something like 'diskusage' to check they're actually on the sd-ext)
the system partition is meant to be mostly full. free space on /system is wasted space.
you're still on stock hboot, which is why your data partition is so small.
if you install another rom, many of them have a smaller system size, so if you're s-off you can flash a different hboot to repartition your internal memory layout: your system size will reduce to roughly match your rom, and the saved space is converted into extra data space, see alpharev.nl for hboots.
e.g. if your rom system is 140MB, will fit nicely into cm7r2 hboot with 145MB system, and you get 287MB of data instead of 150MB. 287MB can be enough to store app data and dalvik cache if you don't have too many apps.
i refer you to these sets of guides for further reading, should explain a lot more, and better than i have...

thanks eddie,
i'm still s-on and stock hboot, but i use a custom rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766550
i guess the problem is that LBE gues 4 and lookout together need over 22mb of space :/
i'll try link2sd then.
thanks!

hm.. when i try to install link2sd i get "insufficient storage available". that program is not even 1MB in size and i have 15mb of free space on the internal storage.. what can i do?
edit: i'll try to install it at home with an adb tool. maybe i have more luck with that.

follow instructions for a2sd with that rom (scroll down). this will move apps and dalvik to sd-ext automatically. or follow/search the thread for other methods, it's regularly discussed...
[not used link2sd, it should in theory do the same thing, but my advice would be to stick with the instructions as that's the recommended way if you really need/want to install link2sd...uninstall something else to make more space ]

ofc removing apps might help (althrough i only installed 2 or 3). but 15mb should be enough to install a 800kb software
gonna try to install some apps later after running a2sd.
thanks a lot man didnt see that information.

HTC One X with blocked memory with mysterios "Others"

Dears Helpers!
Like many others I got the problem that the "app memory" of my HOX is blocked with 4,8GB! mysterios "Others" that can not be found anywhere. With your help I would like to be the first one in the world who solves this memory problem.
Please help.
The status:
The HOX got 32GB internal memory. No SD-Card-Slot.
25,24GB are the "Telephone Memory" for Pictures and Videos and Music.
6,76GB are the "app Memory" for the system and apps.
In this app memory the HOX shows 0,86GB for apps and 4,8GB for "Others" only 1GB is free.
The magic thing is, that even after complet factory reset the 4,8GB stay where they are.
So I unlocked the phone, rooted it, put Clockworkmod recovery on it, made a backup (only 1,7GB!), formated all the partitions that let me do this and put the backup back. Everything stood the same.
I put on Cyanogenmod. That shows only the 0,8GB for installed apps and the 1GB free. The 4,8GB where not listed.
Now I am back on stock rom, with root and now TWRP 2.8.0.0.
TWRP shows following partitions:
Cache Size: 300 MB Used: 5MB
Data Size: 2150MB Used 1050MB
(SDCard Size (internal): 25900MB Used 4700MB)
System Size: 1250MB Used 1150MB
The partitions "AndroidSecure" and "Dalvik Cache" are shown but I cant find out how big they are.
All together the partitions are only 3,7GB big. So where are the lost 3GB! of the 6,7GB "App Memory"??!!!
Is there the possibility that there is unpartitioned memory? Can I find out and format it?
Please give me some ideas.
(PS: I tried allready the zip files for TWRP from the following thread, put they don´t execute on my phone. Installing in TWRP produces errors)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-10/development/mod-reclaim-free-space-partition-t3029605

Is there the possibility that there is unpartitioned memory? Can I find out and format it?
Anyone?
Hauke

Maybe somebody can answer me another question. I found out, that there are 4 tmpfs mount points. Each of them is 492MB big and all of them are empty. Could this the blocked memory? Can I delete or shrink them somehow?
Thank you very much

Not much internal mem? [GT-l9195 / cyanogenmod 13.0]

Hey guys and girls,
my S4 mini dosn't have alot of internal memory after I flash any of these roms? - I did try google and it said to find and remove the log files mostly (which I have done to no avial)
Is this normal? - Its annoying me because I can only have a few big apps, so I cant have any / many games or I have to uninstall something else?

InFam0us-1985 said:
Hey guys and girls,
my S4 mini dosn't have alot of internal memory after I flash any of these roms? - I did try google and it said to find and remove the log files mostly (which I have done to no avial)
Is this normal? - Its annoying me because I can only have a few big apps, so I cant have any / many games or I have to uninstall something else?
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Depends on what you mean by "doesn't have a lot of internal memory". Give some more details.
Normal the other culprites are also the thumbnail folder (of pictures) delete using an explorer that shows hidden folders (you won't loose your actual pictures), or the LOST.dir, delete that.

It is maybe more general question :
Is there any place where are old firmware files are stored?
My gf S4 is rooted now by me, but before she had questions about update and she never choose yes. I am trying to free up some space as for now it is only 650 MB free on internal. Ofcourse I move all apps ( which was possible) to SD. Clear dalvik cache and cache partition.
It is on stock rom.

@mazak23
/cache
or
/fota
use file explorer with root

well I always Clear dalvik cache and cache partition from recovery before a flash - aswell as system and data? (I forget the names of them)
my internal storage is: 4.07 gb used out of 5.26gb
I dont know what more info you mean tho?

try DiskUsage from the Play Store. It will display how much internal space is used by each app/folder.

You can use flex storage/adaptable storage part of Marshmallow's new feature. You can google it for more. Simply put, you format your micro sd card to make it device specific, from then on it acts as if it's internal storage. Note that you can no longer hotswap the card to another device.

InFam0us-1985 said:
well I always Clear dalvik cache and cache partition from recovery before a flash - aswell as system and data? (I forget the names of them)
my internal storage is: 4.07 gb used out of 5.26gb
I dont know what more info you mean tho?
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4.07 gb used out of 5.26gb seems pretty normal ....... though mine is only about 3.3GB now as all camera & vids are set to save to external storage.
I mean what folders are big, or bigger than you would normally expect. Tap internal storage to show folders or better still use an app like l0tz1009 says so you can find all files and it shows details of how big they are, dates etc
Using settings/storage/ will show very basic info but gives the following. "Apps" this is normally quite big as that's where your apps go, mine takes up about 3GB. "Images", "Video", "Audio" can be big depending how you use your phone & storage (all mine are small as camera saves to my external SD) if any of them are excessive you may need to go through and delete or move photos or whatever. Then you get "other" this should normally be quite small, mine is only 487MB, & also cached data, mine is only 280MB. Sometimes these last two get very big, "other" is where I had the problem with "thumbnails" which were taking up over 2GB. But you might have a rouge app writing big data files or something, if so clear data for all apps or just data for rogue app.
Edit: dalvik, cache etc will not affect your storage partition size as separate partitions.

Dead-end. E said:
You can use flex storage/adaptable storage part of Marshmallow's new feature. You can google it for more. Simply put, you format your micro sd card to make it device specific, from then on it acts as if it's internal storage. Note that you can no longer hotswap the card to another device.
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Think I will invest in a bigger SDcard then
Thanks guys

Thanks too, since I had the same issue but didn't look into it until you'd mentioned it in your post.

XTRONS PF75ATTA Update and new partitions

Hi,
i got the Xtrons pf75atta (MTCD_GS_V1.61_1) 1.6Ghz Quad-Core, 1gb Ram. My internal storage is 2 gb and i got about 14gb NAND. I cant install app on nand and the internal Storage is full quickly. Is there a way to use the NAND for Apps besides the "move to sd" function? Cause i doesnt work for alle Apps.
My idea is to create new partitions for the storage. But how does it work? Do you have any links for me?
If i can create new storage i can update my system by the way. Which is the current version. Where can i find a tutorial? Thx guys
EDIT: Well, i just found out how to update my fw. Now i only need to know how to get a bigger partition for apps.

Dear Drizzor,
you are just lazy. Please use the search function. Malaysk build a great Custom Rom for your Device and it also includes the FUSE function. Fuse mergs ur SD partitions and gives u full access to your 16gb internal disk space.
Best regards,
the smarter Drizzor
(Sorry guys, next time i use the search function first)