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My Dilemma - What to do?

Hi Everyone!
I'm thinking of getting a new phone.
My work allows me to replace my phone every two years at a steep discount. Currently, I can buy the Note 2, for 380$ before taxes.
However, I am also thinking maybe I'll buy the Nexus 4 at 309$ for the 8gb one.
So do I buy the Nexus 4, and buy the Note 2 to flip for a profit or just buy the Note 2 and forget the Nexus 4.
Had I not tried the Note 2, I would not be having this dilemma, but after trying it, I'm kind of enamored by it.
What would you do and why?

You know what im having the same dilemma myself and I currently own the note 2 and iam struggling to decide if I should return it and take the leap and get the nexus 4...its all really down to wat your looking for...which phone are you leaning more towards
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I've always had phones that were running some variant of Android with a skin.
And I've always rooted and loaded some variant of CM. Was hoping to go Nexus this time around, so I can get the latest and greatest before all other phones.
However, what you get with the Note 2, it's form factor, power, battery, expandable mem, removable battery... ugh...

balla786 said:
I've always had phones that were running some variant of Android with a skin.
And I've always rooted and loaded some variant of CM. Was hoping to go Nexus this time around, so I can get the latest and greatest before all other phones.
However, what you get with the Note 2, it's form factor, power, battery, expandable mem, removable battery... ugh...
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True I see where your coming from on that...the truth is nexus development wise seen as mecca whereas the galaxy phones sometimes are little behind...I think you should goto a t-mobile store and play with both and see what you like...run a few tests... like do multiple tasks at once and see how battery life trickles down....see which phone gets hot and which one doesn't...feel the textures of the of devices (especially the nexus since its back is made of sum sort of glass) and etc... I love the note 2 but...I feel like the updates are going to be hot/cold, its hella expensive (for just the phone itself) , and development wise.. idk cant predict that one...but the positives surpass the very few negatives...the main argument with the nexus is its lack of LTE /glass back and supposedly the battery is kind of whack...but thats all reviewers speculation and comments...the best thing for us might be to physically see the devices and go with what we can use daily and satisfy us for however long we intend to use them...because think about it you have a choice...either choice in my opinion is a win but I think this will all fall down to what we prefer
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balla786 said:
I've always had phones that were running some variant of Android with a skin.
And I've always rooted and loaded some variant of CM. Was hoping to go Nexus this time around, so I can get the latest and greatest before all other phones.
However, what you get with the Note 2, it's form factor, power, battery, expandable mem, removable battery... ugh...
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Get the Note II... the Nexus 4 is 8GB... without any expandable memory (dumb idea Google). You'll burn through that 8GB in about 3 minutes (rocking 16GB + 64GB microSDXC)

Well if lack of lte and micro sd doesn't bother you don't think further get the nexus !
And one more thing if the above guys calculations are good then your note 2's 16+64 gb will get exhausted in approximately 26 minutes of usage not to mention that it'll only last only 6 minutes if you don't bother buying a 64 gb memory card

Don't get me wrong,I really like the Nexus 4 but it's really got nothing on the Note 2. It's on par with the Note on a few aspects and does have us beat on some astetics but in terms of functionality and features it's no better the the Galaxy Nexus.
Only reason to get it over the Note is for the software updates, but (and 2 years ago I never thought I'd say this) Samsung has been doing just fine with it's software updates and there are sure to be plenty of options to get the latest and greatest on the Note here on xda.
Also without external storage you're not going to get much use out of the S4 Snapdragon, have more then 1 HD game and a couple hundred songs and you're out half the available memory. Not to mention that you don't get the full 8 or 16 gigs to use, you lose quite a bit to the OS between the data, cache, and system partitions. All that power with nothing to use it on is disappointing.
Just my thoughts. LG made a killer device, but without the expandable memory or 32 gigs of internal space like the AT&T and Sprint ones, the Nexus 4 is kinda the runt of the liter.
noted for future reference on my Note 2

dre89 said:
Don't get me wrong,I really like the Nexus 4 but it's really got nothing on the Note 2. It's on par with the Note on a few aspects and does have us beat on some astetics but in terms of functionality and features it's no better the the Galaxy Nexus.
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This is such an excellent point.

balla786 said:
Hi Everyone!
I'm thinking of getting a new phone.
My work allows me to replace my phone every two years at a steep discount. Currently, I can buy the Note 2, for 380$ before taxes.
However, I am also thinking maybe I'll buy the Nexus 4 at 309$ for the 8gb one.
So do I buy the Nexus 4, and buy the Note 2 to flip for a profit or just buy the Note 2 and forget the Nexus 4.
Had I not tried the Note 2, I would not be having this dilemma, but after trying it, I'm kind of enamored by it.
What would you do and why?
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how is that a steep discount? the note is $420 with a $50 mail in rebate =$370 and the nexus 4 is being sold on the playstore for $300
its a steep discount when you compare the note 2 to its retail price but considering your company is upgrading and renewing a 2 year..its actually costing you $10 more...they are just passing the savings onto you
secondly...if i were you...i'd buy the note 2 and then decide whether or not you actually want to keep it..you can easily sell it for $600+...so you would kinda be getting the nexus 4 for free if you flipped the note 2 then bought the nexus 4

The note 2 available to me is 380$ no contract. They're giving the phones at cost price to us. So I'm not locked into any contract.
Yeah. I'm going to wait a bit till someone has a nexus 4 at work and will try it out.
My plan is either buy note 2 and flip it and get nexus 4 16gb or keep it. We shall see.
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balla786 said:
The note 2 available to me is 380$ no contract. They're giving the phones at cost price to us. So I'm not locked into any contract.
Yeah. I'm going to wait a bit till someone has a nexus 4 at work and will try it out.
My plan is either buy note 2 and flip it and get nexus 4 16gb or keep it. We shall see.
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Not 100% certain why people are ga ga over the nexus 4. There are so many detractors, from microsd slot, to LTE, to removable battery... etc. If it's the unlocked bootloader, or no carrier bloat, just snag a Galaxy Nexus. (and to the guy who said Galaxy phones were behind, uh, the Galaxy Nexus is still far AHEAD of many phones out there. I think you meant the S3 and Note2, which are still AHEAD of most phones out there) At the end of the day, you will miss your roomy microsd, your battery, your S-Pen, etc.
Now if people would just root your phones and tinker more, instead of waiting for the next rom guy to package it for you, we would all be in a better place.

Why I hate the Note 2...

It's so damn good I have no compelling reason to upgrade to another phone at all. Thanks a lot for curing my new phone itch

pearse said:
It's so damn good I have no compelling reason to upgrade to another phone at all. Thanks a lot for curing my new phone itch
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I agree completely! It's the best phone I've ever owned, by far. And with Android 4.3 coming, I simply don't have a compelling reason to re-tool (batteries, cases, etc.) as a result of buying a Note 3.

I bought a Note 3 and ended up returning it; while it was a nice upgrade, particularly the screen, it was not compelling enough for me to justify the expense (paid full price up front), especially with the Knox efuse issue on the N3. The upcoming software update for my trusty Note II sealed the deal.

I had a Nexus 5 is my cart and decided to just continue using the Note 2 I recently picked up. I love this thing!

big gulps huh? said:
I had a Nexus 5 is my cart and decided to just continue using the Note 2 I recently picked up. I love this thing!
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That makes two of us. Google helped me decide by selling out of the black Nexus 5 16GB at my moment of weakness. I am glad I didn't bite.

Glad you guys find it ok. I'd feel the same if my GPS could get a lock and if I didn't have the Call Log issue with calls not showing up unless I hold the phone in Horizontal mode.

Daman28n88 said:
Glad you guys find it ok. I'd feel the same if my GPS could get a lock and if I didn't have the Call Log issue with calls not showing up unless I hold the phone in Horizontal mode.
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Must be problems with you rom

only thing that botters me is the screen wake lagwhen in deep sleep. I think its unacceptable for a flagship device.
but its not a dealbreaker since i don't change.... All the rest is soo good

levchikb said:
Must be problems with you rom
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Stock

I feel the same. I want a nexus for software but I think I would have regret about screen size and battery life. All the optimization in the world can't make up for the battery size gap.

I owned both and to be honest have not touched my note 2 since I got 3. Love note 3and all it features.
NOTE 3

I love my note 2 I got a zerolemon 9300Mah battery and the screen is irreplaceable to me I could never go to something smaller again.

thompsos said:
I bought a Note 3 and ended up returning it; while it was a nice upgrade, particularly the screen, it was not compelling enough for me to justify the expense (paid full price up front), especially with the Knox efuse issue on the N3. The upcoming software update for my trusty Note II sealed the deal.
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I'm glad to hear that, I thought long and hard about upgrading but in the end decided it really wouldn't be that noticeable for the amount of money it costs. Besides from what i've read we get better battery life anyway :laugh:

Daman28n88 said:
Glad you guys find it ok. I'd feel the same if my GPS could get a lock and if I didn't have the Call Log issue with calls not showing up unless I hold the phone in Horizontal mode.
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What rom are you running? I get an accurate GPS lock almost instantly as long as I have all the location settings turned on.

misterzeno said:
I feel the same. I want a nexus for software but I think I would have regret about screen size and battery life. All the optimization in the world can't make up for the battery size gap.
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Same here. I actually bought a G2 and ended up returning it quickly, just couldn't get over how small the screen real estate is compared to the note 2 (plus it was surprisingly laggy for a new flagship).

I love my note 2. I'm not sure I want a phone without a removable battery or sd card. I make my old phones into dedicated gps units after they've aged. It's cheaper getting a spare battery occasionally then new phone when the battery is toast. I continue to use our old droid 2's for gps. I'm a truck driver and having a truckers specific gps is a life saver. The nexus 5 would be great and a ton of fun but no removable battery and no sd card make it tough to say yes to.
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I thought about upgrading to the Note 3 but after playing with it for some time I ended up keeping my Note II. I can't justify the cost of the 3.
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I wanted the new nexus, but with no removable battery and SD card slot and a 4.95 screen I think I'll keep my note 2 until the nexus 6 or note4 drop
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BACARDILIMON said:
I owned both and to be honest have not touched my note 2 since I got 3. Love note 3and all it features.
NOTE 3
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Well I think no one is saying the Note 2 is better and of course everyone of us would use the Note 3 over the Note 2 if we have both. But I most of the people here are saying that the price of the Note 3 does not justify upgrading based on the different features each phone offer.
I, for one would love to have the Note 3 over the Note 2 but not at the price that I have to pay for the "extra" features. I will have to wait for the next version since I can see doing most of the things the Note 3 can do once we get a firmware update (or new roms to flash).

thompsos said:
I bought a Note 3 and ended up returning it; while it was a nice upgrade, particularly the screen, it was not compelling enough for me to justify the expense (paid full price up front), especially with the Knox efuse issue on the N3. The upcoming software update for my trusty Note II sealed the deal.
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Gave the Note 2 to my wife. The Note 3 for me is a major improvement over the 2. I'll upgrade her N2 when the update hits... Of course the upgrade for the N2 will include Knox so there is no way getting around that. We now have root access on the N3 the doesn't trip the Knox counter so that's a non-issue now.
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Samsung updates so slow

I was thinking about waiting and getting the Note 3 when its cheap and value drops. Sadly android phones don't hold value well but in this case its to my benefit. However, Im really disappointed in Samsung with the speed of their updates. My note 2 is still on 4.1.2 for the longest time and it gets annoying. You could flash AOSP ROMS but you lose the Samsung Features. Now 4.4 is out and even the Note 3 is on 4.3 and will take a while before it sees 4.4. The note 2 may never even see 4.4 or it will take a very long time. Starting to think of other manufacturers in the future if this continues.But I love the S-Pen !!!
HTC on the other hand seems to be stepping up their game.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/31/google-galaxy-nexus-kitkat/
In my opinion Samsung needs to step up their game. What do you guys think about the speed of updates from Samsung ?
Comments on Android phones holding value also welcome.
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HTC just dropped theirs while we have to wait until December 3. Not bad but I blame the cell carriers. Besides we already have a thread for this topic.

Yes Samsung does not update their phones fast but at least does not intentionally give you an update to to make your phone slower like apple does withe their updates.
Plus what other phone manufacturer does update their phone often enough.
HTC is nice, like the interface way better that touchwiz, but you cant switch battery or add micro sd card. My first android phone was the first HTC Evo. Has Battery swap and micro SD Card, then I got the HTC one S actually like it more then the GS3 but running out of memory and battery on the new HTC was to much for me to deal with on a daily basis. Then got the GS3 good phone, now on Note 2 and loving the Jedi X-20.
You are right what you say but really what are other manufacture options?
My next phone will be a phablet again but from who I don't know yet.
I think im going for the next phablet that has great camera, that will sway my decision big time. LG is starting to get my attention.
Have not really seen any great reviews about the Note 3 camera, maybe it not that good. So lets see what Note 4 has to offer in another 6+ months.
about Android 4.4 seems Samsung will never update a phone with latest android untill it releases a new phone with it first. So we have to see what phone from samsung get kitkat then we'll start seeing updates to older models.
just my 2 cents.

pvaldeben said:
Yes Samsung does not update their phones fast but at least does not intentionally give you an update to to make your phone slower like apple does withe their updates.
Plus what other phone manufacturer does update their phone often enough.
HTC is nice, like the interface way better that touchwiz, but you cant switch battery or add micro sd card. My first android phone was the first HTC Evo. Has Battery swap and micro SD Card, then I got the HTC one S actually like it more then the GS3 but running out of memory and battery on the new HTC was to much for me to deal with on a daily basis. Then got the GS3 good phone, now on Note 2 and loving the Jedi X-20.
You are right what you say but really what are other manufacture options?
My next phone will be a phablet again but from who I don't know yet.
I think im going for the next phablet that has great camera, that will sway my decision big time. LG is starting to get my attention.
Have not really seen any great reviews about the Note 3 camera, maybe it not that good. So lets see what Note 4 has to offer in another 6+ months.
about Android 4.4 seems Samsung will never update a phone with latest android untill it releases a new phone with it first. So we have to see what phone from samsung get kitkat then we'll start seeing updates to older models.
just my 2 cents.
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Yeah your right hopefully some manufacturers come out with a good phablet that has some good pen features sometimes soon. Would take a look at other phablets with no pen if they were good enough.

On the fence need opinions...

I have owned every note from 1-3. My note 3 i replaced so many parts on since it suffered a lot of dropping abuse on my end and ironically the first phone I decided to go caseless on. I am quite the android fanboy to say but I have also owned every iphone to toy around with. My note 3 died around the time the iphone 6 came out. I decided to rock a 6 plus till the note 4 came out. At first I was just totally frustrated by all of ios short comings and restrictions. Coming from a noted and highly customized note 3, it was a total pain in the ass. In the past 2-3 weeks I have however developed quite a liking toward my 6 plus, while eagerly waiting the note 4 release. I played with the note 4 several times at best buy and was about to buy one out of contract today from someone who preordered. I do not have upgrade available atm, my next upgrade would be in about 40 days or so. I could get a note 4 for 600 flat tomorrow new off contract which isn't bad considering upgrading thru sprint is 400 with activation and taxes. Now I am heavily considering if the note 4 is worth switching to. I have to admit I was not a heavy s pen user and multi window I used rarely. My 6 plus has battery life that I have never experienced on a smart phone since this one really really odd note 2 ( i had the note 2 in both colors and on 2 diff carriers)that I had that seem to last forever. My question is do you guys feel I should wait and hold out for the note edge? While I am highly attracted to the note 4, the edge is really captured me when the two phones were announced. Anyone else making the move from a 6+?

Go with the Note 4
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nycdarkness said:
I have owned every note from 1-3. My note 3 i replaced so many parts on since it suffered a lot of dropping abuse on my end and ironically the first phone I decided to go caseless on. I am quite the android fanboy to say but I have also owned every iphone to toy around with. My note 3 died around the time the iphone 6 came out. I decided to rock a 6 plus till the note 4 came out. At first I was just totally frustrated by all of ios short comings and restrictions. Coming from a noted and highly customized note 3, it was a total pain in the ass. In the past 2-3 weeks I have however developed quite a liking toward my 6 plus, while eagerly waiting the note 4 release. I played with the note 4 several times at best buy and was about to buy one out of contract today from someone who preordered. I do not have upgrade available atm, my next upgrade would be in about 40 days or so. I could get a note 4 for 600 flat tomorrow new off contract which isn't bad considering upgrading thru sprint is 400 with activation and taxes. Now I am heavily considering if the note 4 is worth switching to. I have to admit I was not a heavy s pen user and multi window I used rarely. My 6 plus has battery life that I have never experienced on a smart phone since this one really really odd note 2 ( i had the note 2 in both colors and on 2 diff carriers)that I had that seem to last forever. My question is do you guys feel I should wait and hold out for the note edge? While I am highly attracted to the note 4, the edge is really captured me when the two phones were announced. Anyone else making the move from a 6+?
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between the 2 i would choose the note 4 as well..but i would also look at the nexus 6 that was just announced that sounds just as good minus the s-pen

[Q] Buy now or wait until S6 release?

Hey all, have been looking hard at the Note 4 as replacement for my aging 4S. Looking to get away from ios, wouldn't be my first android device nor my first samsung. I would be buying the phone full price, no contract, and was wondering if I should buy now or wait till the S6 release and see if there is a price drop?
Thanks
Coop

Check slickdeals.net they have deals for note 4
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Galaxy S6 release won't effect the price of the Galaxy Note 4...
Both are two different series in phone..
Now if you want Galaxy S6, it will b cheaper then Note 4
The price of the Galaxy S6 should b the retail price of the Galaxy S5 today... Note 4 stays the same...
3 months back I made the switch from iPhone 4S to Note 4 glad I did... all iPhones are the same
Note 4 has the removable battery and SD slot that the Galaxy S6 and iPhone don't have
In many ways the Galaxy S6 is a step back from Galaxy S5 I just like the look better and new figure print sensor but looks are not everything, it's features or what it includes also sells the phone... I won't b buying Galaxy S6 nor Note 5
Phones are personal preference, so goodluck! I can say I just recently read something about Best Buy having a good deal on Note 4 like $200 off retail price or something close but I didn't read to much into it, it may only have been for people who sign up on a contract...
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nemopsp said:
Phones are personal preference, so goodluck! I can say I just recently read something about Best Buy having a good deal on Note 4 like $200 off retail price or something close but I didn't read to much into it, it may only have been for people who sign up on a contract...
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Those Best Buy deals were for contract Note 4s.
I got my Note 4 a few weeks ago to replace an LG G3 my son decided to throw and destroy. I was going to wait for the S6...and I still think I'm going to get one...but the N4 is a fantastic phone and you can't go wrong with it if you like the size. I'm really happy w/ the Lollipop update except for the lock screen notifications (I wish it was like stock android still...doubt tap to open is a MUST) so I can definitely recommend it without reservation.
I just want the same camera (or better) in a smaller footprint. The camera is probably the most important aspect in a phone to me, so the S6 is really enticing since it's essentially the Note with a smaller form factor. Removeable battery and SD Card don't even move the needle for me, so that's not an issue.

dbdynsty25 said:
Those Best Buy deals were for contract Note 4s.
I got my Note 4 a few weeks ago to replace an LG G3 my son decided to throw and destroy. I was going to wait for the S6...and I still think I'm going to get one...but the N4 is a fantastic phone and you can't go wrong with it if you like the size. I'm really happy w/ the Lollipop update except for the lock screen notifications (I wish it was like stock android still...doubt tap to open is a MUST) so I can definitely recommend it without reservation.
I just want the same camera (or better) in a smaller footprint. The camera is probably the most important aspect in a phone to me, so the S6 is really enticing since it's essentially the Note with a smaller form factor. Removeable battery and SD Card don't even move the needle for me, so that's not an issue.
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I'm still on the 4.4.4 kitkat update... tho I do have the OTA of 5.0.1... but I don't like the notification pop up... so I'm staying where I am and 5.0.1 isn't much of a update rather wait for 5.1
But personally coming from a iPhone with out a removable battery and SD card really limits the phone.. space wise and battery
I guess depends on how much you update phones but personally, I update every 2 to 3 years an once the phone get to 1st year on a internal battery. It don't last as long and needs to b replaced. For this reaosn removable battery is nice just simply buy a new battery for like $12, all fixed... where on internal phone it's going to cost you $60 mayb more from a phone repair store... or if you do it your self it would b like $20 but a pain (talking from experience, just not simple)
SD card is nice just to add extra storage your right it don't move from my phone but it's having it what counts... Note 4 has 32gb plus 64gb sd card... no reason to need space but on 32gb my phone would b full... plus i bought 64gb card for $30
These are two reasons y I came to this phone and away from iPhones, my iPhone is still a great phone but needs a new battery so I put the money towards a new phone instead since I kno it will have same issue in time... plus memory was always a struggle phone always full, alot times went to take a pic just to see a pop saying not enough free space....
Plus the note 4 camera is great... It's very close to the one in Galaxy S6... not much difference...
As I said its all personal preference... it's what you want and how your going to use the phone...
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