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Will triangle away work on note 3

Anyone try triangle away to reset the binary counter after rooting/flashing the pre rooted roms or does the ap need its code updated?
Thanks.
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Not yet he is working on it
TWEAKED 2.5

Hes the man it'll only be a matter of a few days before it's working, thanks for the info bro.
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Ok there was an update to triangle away that added note 3 but it says sadly there's no counter reset yet it won't be long though chainfire is the man!
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dawgboy1783 said:
Ok there was an update to triangle away that added note 3 but it says sadly there's no counter reset yet it won't be long though chainfire is the man!
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If you check the changelog for triangle away, it looks like it's not possible.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30249357&postcount=5
Changelogs
04.10.2013 - v3.10
- Added "system" state display, if available on device
- Added Note3 device details, sadly no reset possible

useltonm said:
If you check the changelog for triangle away, it looks like it's not possible.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30249357&postcount=5
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04.10.2013 - v3.10
- Added "system" state display, if available on device
- Added Note3 device details, sadly no reset possible
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Yeah bummer but I still think someone will bust it though just give it time.
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dawgboy1783 said:
Yeah bummer but I still think someone will bust it though just give it time.
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I really hope they can too as I just got back from picking up my note 3. I really want to root this thing but am going to stay stock for a bit to see if maybe someone can figure something out.
I'm not hopeful though because from what I've read it trips an efuse on root or flash of an custom bootloader. There is however a guy on Google plus(commenting on chainfire's post about knox) that is claiming that knox will reset if you replace the emmc.
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useltonm said:
I really hope they can too as I just got back from picking up my note 3. I really want to root this thing but am going to stay stock for a bit to see if maybe someone can figure something out.
I'm not hopeful though because from what I've read it trips an efuse on root or flash of an custom bootloader. There is however a guy on Google plus(commenting on chainfire's post about knox) that is claiming that knox will reset if you replace the emmc.
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I have faith in XDA and the Devs they never cease to amaze these guys will have it figured out soon :fingers-crossed: its only been 12 days since the Note 3 release I'd say at least a couple months in and we will have proper root without knox trip hopefully sooner because my flashing finger is getting twitchy ad itchy
Thank you XDA,DEVS,Moderators and community Phones would be boring without all of you!

dawgboy1783 said:
I have faith in XDA and the Devs they never cease to amaze these guys will have it figured out soon :fingers-crossed: its only been 12 days since the Note 3 release I'd say at least a couple months in and we will have proper root without knox trip hopefully sooner because my flashing finger is getting twitchy ad itchy
Thank you XDA,DEVS,Moderators and community Phones would be boring without all of you!
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It's not that I don't have faith in the developers, but there will come a point where they will be unable to hack security restrictions such as knox. They may not be able to come up with a workaround to prevent blowing the efuse that trips the knox warranty void. This isn't a knock on developers because these guys are very talented. It's just the reality of having interest in a technology that companies are looking to make more secure. The more holes that developers exploit, the more secure android gets. It's the nature of the game.
If you haven't owned a Motorola device any time recently take a peek at their forums. They have those things locked down pretty tight. The Bionic had a locked bootloader, but was able to be rooted. When it received the last ota, djrbliss released a root exploit for it that had to be done in Linux (or a Linux VM). It's not possible to do in Windows. It is my understanding that djrbliss had retired from releasing root exploits because they have become so much more difficult to work around (I think it also had to do with people not paying attention to directions and a sense of entitlement...).
We are lucky because we have a device with an unlocked bootloader. Those with devices on AT&T and Verizon who have locked down devices won't always be so lucky. And we won't be if they continue to increase the level of security for us also.
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Stop buying Samsung products! ...Web Boycot!
I just sent the following mesage to Samsung:
"I bought the Note 2 when it first came out in 2012. I would like to replace it with the Note 3. BUT Samsung has made it impossible to reset the flash counter (with Triangle Away for example). So I can not, for example, use the Allshare Cast dongle with a rooted Note 3. This is unacceptable policy. I will not buy another Samsung device (of any kind) until Samsung eliminates this restrictive policy. So there is a $700 sale lost. Multiply that loss by thousands and ask yourselves if you are pursuing the right customer friendly policy with this restriction. "
I ask othes to send a similar message to Samsung. Lets start a Web Boycot over this isue!
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/contact
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It's not that I don't have faith in the developers, but there will come a point where they will be unable to hack security restrictions such as knox. They may not be able to come up with a workaround to prevent blowing the efuse that trips the knox warranty void. This isn't a knock on developers because these guys are very talented. It's just the reality of having interest in a technology that companies are looking to make more secure. The more holes that developers exploit, the more secure android gets. It's the nature of the game.
If you haven't owned a Motorola device any time recently take a peek at their forums. They have those things locked down pretty tight. The Bionic had a locked bootloader, but was able to be rooted. When it received the last ota, djrbliss released a root exploit for it that had to be done in Linux (or a Linux VM). It's not possible to do in Windows. It is my understanding that djrbliss had retired from releasing root exploits because they have become so much more difficult to work around (I think it also had to do with people not paying attention to directions and a sense of entitlement...).
We are lucky because we have a device with an unlocked bootloader. Those with devices on AT&T and Verizon who have locked down devices won't always be so lucky. And we won't be if they continue to increase the level of security for us also.
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Wow, so all of us who root are 100% screwed if our devices develop an issue. Wow

MattMJB0188 said:
Wow, so all of us who root are 100% screwed if our devices develop an issue. Wow
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No you're not screwed you can return the device to factory rom for warranty return . if you're not willing to learn how to do this simple procedure then don't root but of course root give you so much more functionality . root is really a basic necessity in my opinion and manufacturers should not be preventing this . we pay serious money to own these devices and we should be able to use them as we see fit.

Meditating_Apes said:
No you're not screwed you can return the device to factory rom for warranty return . if you're not willing to learn how to do this simple procedure then don't root but of course root give you so much more functionality . root is really a basic necessity in my opinion and manufacturers should not be preventing this . we pay serious money to own these devices and we should be able to use them as we see fit.
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Even if you go back to stock, if you tripped the Knox flag it's not going back to 0x0 that is going to stay 0x1 which displays warranty void.
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parusia said:
Even if you go back to stock, if you tripped the Knox flag it's not going back to 0x0 that is going to stay 0x1 which displays warranty void.
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Exactly. For the hell of it, I flashed back to stock and entered download mode after everything was intact. It read 0x1, which means the warranty is completely void. So I said screw it and am going to return it to T-Mobile. Absolutely ridiculous that my $700 toy has no warranty protection. Not worth it in my book, sorry galaxy fan boys lol.
I will be e-mailing Samsung about this. If the Note 3 didn't have such poor sound out of the box, I wouldn't have to flash a custom rom.

MattMJB0188 said:
Exactly. For the hell of it, I flashed back to stock and entered download mode after everything was intact. It read 0x1, which means the warranty is completely void. So I said screw it and am going to return it to T-Mobile. Absolutely ridiculous that my $700 toy has no warranty protection. Not worth it in my book, sorry galaxy fan boys lol.
I will be e-mailing Samsung about this. If the Note 3 didn't have such poor sound out of the box, I wouldn't have to flash a custom rom.
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I'll hold off on my root on my new N3. I have faith in Chainfire.
And has nothing to do with "fan boys". The N3 is in incredible piece of hardware. Don't think for a sec this will only stay with Samsung. Soon all mfg's will have this....watch. It's just a matter of time until the talented devs will find a way to get past it. Then, an even better phone (HTC,Sam, etc) will come out with even more of a roadblock.

Is the Knox flag will Tripped even if I didn't install the Knox app? This is the first device I am scared to root it.
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Yes you flash anything and it will trip Knox. That being said if all you want is root. Use root De last vega. Be mindful I'd you fish twrp it will trip Knox
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I'm finally ready to Root! :)

I have the T-Mobile gs4, had it for almost a year now. I just want to accomplish 2 seemingly simple things by rooting:
1. The ability to have UNLiMITED mobile hotspots at lte speeds. No throttling
2. Be able to unroot without there being any evidence that I've ever rooted... for warranty\insurance purposes just in case.
Anything else is just a bonus
Is there a way to accomplish this simply and easily? I know there are several ways and need a little direction.
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For question one. My experience is that Hotspot mods are hit and miss. Also, there is no Hotspoting on LTE
For your second question, it's possible to unroot and go back to stock if you are on a non-Knox bootloader. If you OTA or Kies upgraded to 4.3 or 4.4.2 TW, you will have Knox, making it impossible to go back to 4.2.2 and to go back to completely stock
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LoopDoGG79 said:
For question one. My experience is that Hotspot mods are hit and miss. Also, there is no Hotspoting on LTE
For your second question, it's possible to unroot and go back to stock if you are on a non-Knox bootloader. If you OTA or Kies upgraded to 4.3 or 4.4.2 TW, you will have Knox, making it impossible to go back to 4.2.2 and to go back to completely stock
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I have no problem using hotspot on lte (granted I am running my custom ROM and am rooted)
For the second question, if you root and trip knox you can still go back to 4.2.2 via a custom ROM. But not official 4.2.2 via a tar file flashed in Odin.
davebegue said:
#2 question, most mod posts clearly state your warranty is void if you mod. Kind of seems not right if you need to hide what you've done to the handset. If you aren't willing to let go of your warranty,I'd recommend leaving it stock.
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Actually people are reporting that having a tripped knox counter has not prevented them from getting a T-Mobile warranty replacement. I myself am considering upgrading my bootloader to 4.4.2 and having knox and tripping it.
In addition, from my research, knox counter is only important for business and enterprise situations where having a fail safe method of determining if the device has been modified in any way that may pose a security risk.
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Thanks all for help... I rooted and used Fennys rom.. tripped knox of course but im not worried about it.
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Actually the original question was not precise.
If you had your phone for long time and never upgraded to officially to T-Mobile kitkat, then you won't have a problem.
Could flash recovery, then flash custom kitkat rom, and most of them have Knox removed.
And then when needed You can flash official rom and clear flash counter using triangle away and send for warranty replacement.
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I did upgrade to official kit kat.
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j2gifted said:
I did upgrade to official kit kat.
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That was bad
Should not have upgraded to KK from JB, if you thinking about rooting.
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vlad2277 said:
That was bad
Should not have upgraded to KK from JB, if you thinking about rooting.
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You can still root
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elesbb said:
I have no problem using hotspot on lte (granted I am running my custom ROM and am rooted)
For the second question, if you root and trip knox you can still go back to 4.2.2 via a custom ROM. But not official 4.2.2 via a tar file flashed in Odin.
Actually people are reporting that having a tripped knox counter has not prevented them from getting a T-Mobile warranty replacement. I myself am considering upgrading my bootloader to 4.4.2 and having knox and tripping it.
In addition, from my research, knox counter is only important for business and enterprise situations where having a fail safe method of determining if the device has been modified in any way that may pose a security risk.
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Are you sure? People reporting that they received a new phone even tho they tripped KNOX warranty are most likely getting a new phone by insurance, not warranty. A warranty phone goes straight to Samsung in which they check to see if KNOX was triggered to 0x1 as an insurance phone is sent to the carrier. The carrier makes sure the screen is good, no water damage and that the phone is functional. By time an insurance phone is sent back to Samsung you already have a new phone and there is nothing Samsung can do about it.
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Kriptik210 said:
Are you sure? People reporting that they received a new phone even tho they tripped KNOX warranty are most likely getting a new phone by insurance, not warranty. A warranty phone goes straight to Samsung in which they check to see if KNOX was triggered to 0x1 as an insurance phone is sent to the carrier. The carrier makes sure the screen is good, no water damage and that the phone is functional. By time an insurance phone is sent back to Samsung you already have a new phone and there is nothing Samsung can do about it.
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Actually i think you have that backwards. Insurance claims does not matter the phones condition. It could be in a million pieces and you will still get a new one. Warranty claims you get the new device and then have to sent the old one back within so many days or they charge you for it. And just search the threads. There is a specific thread relating to the knox counter where people are posting their experiences. They all said they are getting the same phone back (verifying it with their IMEI number and MAC number and things like that) with a knox 0 counter. So Samsung themselves must have a way to revert the counter on our devices. I'm just going off of what i have been researching. The info is there, whether or not its factual is the reason i have not upgraded my bootloader. Which i still feel like doing.

elesbb said:
Actually i think you have that backwards. Insurance claims does not matter the phones condition. It could be in a million pieces and you will still get a new one. Warranty claims you get the new device and then have to sent the old one back within so many days or they charge you for it. And just search the threads. There is a specific thread relating to the knox counter where people are posting their experiences. They all said they are getting the same phone back (verifying it with their IMEI number and MAC number and things like that) with a knox 0 counter. So Samsung themselves must have a way to revert the counter on our devices. I'm just going off of what i have been researching. The info is there, whether or not its factual is the reason i have not upgraded my bootloader. Which i still feel like doing.
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Out of curiosity. .. why do u want ro upgrade your bootloader?
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elesbb said:
Actually i think you have that backwards. Insurance claims does not matter the phones condition. It could be in a million pieces and you will still get a new one. Warranty claims you get the new device and then have to sent the old one back within so many days or they charge you for it. And just search the threads. There is a specific thread relating to the knox counter where people are posting their experiences. They all said they are getting the same phone back (verifying it with their IMEI number and MAC number and things like that) with a knox 0 counter. So Samsung themselves must have a way to revert the counter on our devices. I'm just going off of what i have been researching. The info is there, whether or not its factual is the reason i have not upgraded my bootloader. Which i still feel like doing.
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Yea maybe I do have it a little twisted. But I know for sure that you cant get a brand new phone after you trip KNOX. Maybe get your old phone back with KNOX back to 0x0 but they will have that logged and the warranty would still be voided
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You can always root, but you'll never get warranty replacement, unless you lucky.
One of reasons for Knox was to combat so, people who root and mess up original software.
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Kriptik210 said:
Yea maybe I do have it a little twisted. But I know for sure that you cant get a brand new phone after you trip KNOX. Maybe get your old phone back with KNOX back to 0x0 but they will have that logged and the warranty would still be voided
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They don't "log" anything. If they refuse warranty they won't even send you your original back fixed. They won't even touch it. Even if knox was not tripped, you NEVER get a new phone back through warranty.
Call up a T-Mobile store near you yourself and ask them this "If I trip my KNOX counter in the download mode can I still get a warranty claim on my device?" 99 percent of them will say "what". Cause they aren't told to look for that. If the phone still powers on, and is "operable" then you can get a warranty claim. If you have a brick, (no download mode or anything) then they usually don't grant the warranty (in my experience anyhow). And if they do grant a warranty claim with the device not even getting to download mode and the knox was tripped, how do you suppose they are able to check it? The whole myth of knox warranty counter in download mode to keep people from rooting is truly that. If you flash something into the download mode partition and wipe it out, there is no way for them to check what that counter status was. Unless they have some super high tech fancy way of checking after flashing the bootloader back. But even that is enough for a consumer (granted a techie consumer) to get their phone back to working status..
vlad2277 said:
You can always root, but you'll never get warranty replacement, unless you lucky.
One of reasons for Knox was to combat so, people who root and mess up original software.
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That's not what i have been discovering though my research. The MAIN reason for KNOX was so enterprises and businesses have a fool proof way of detecting if their devices have been tampered with in any way to avoid security issues.

elesbb said:
They don't "log" anything. If they refuse warranty they won't even send you your original back fixed. They won't even touch it. Even if knox was not tripped, you NEVER get a new phone back through warranty.
Call up a T-Mobile store near you yourself and ask them this "If I trip my KNOX counter in the download mode can I still get a warranty claim on my device?" 99 percent of them will say "what". Cause they aren't told to look for that. If the phone still powers on, and is "operable" then you can get a warranty claim. If you have a brick, (no download mode or anything) then they usually don't grant the warranty (in my experience anyhow). And if they do grant a warranty claim with the device not even getting to download mode and the knox was tripped, how do you suppose they are able to check it? The whole myth of knox warranty counter in download mode to keep people from rooting is truly that. If you flash something into the download mode partition and wipe it out, there is no way for them to check what that counter status was. Unless they have some super high tech fancy way of checking after flashing the bootloader back. But even that is enough for a consumer (granted a techie consumer) to get their phone back to working status..
That's not what i have been discovering though my research. The MAIN reason for KNOX was so enterprises and businesses have a fool proof way of detecting if their devices have been tampered with in any way to avoid security issues.
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Based on actual experiences of hundreds of people who have discussed it here, this is all 100% correct. I can't recall reading a single report of an actual occurance that has said otherwise.

[Q] Root imediately or wait?

Can anyone give me their opinions rooting right away vs waiting? I'm coming from a 2 generation ago HTC with root and unlocked bootloader, s-off. I'd hate to delay rooting but I'm wondering how things have gone lately in the Samsung world.
-If I wait, will there likely be another method of rooting that would somehow be better than Chainfire's current method? (Won't trip knox or void warranty or something along those lines)?
-Would I be better off taking any OTA's that are available upon getting the phone before rooting or could those OTA's prevent root if I take them?
Any other reason why someone might delay rooting?

I personally probably will root it if a method is available (haven't verified yet.)
Primary reason being is to make transferring from my previous phone a lot less painless with titanium backup.
Or maybe I won't, because it won't be long before I'd want to flash a custom debloated rom.
Decisions decisions...

the only reason to wait is you want to maintain your warranty. If you pretty good with figuring out issues, it may not be an issue.
Me, 99% I'm not waiting. If I have time, it''ll be one of the first things I do. If not, I'll do it following day.

I enjoy Samsung devices but they usually leave me no choice but to root to remove some of the bloat that I don't really want. So for me it will happen once a cf auto root occurs!

There is no root for sprint yet. Big freaking bummer.

I wouldn't worry about that at all. Chainfire has already released CF Root for like seven different models of the Note 4 - Exynos and Snapdragon models. I would give it a day or a few after official release of our Note 4 until we have root.
And anyways back to the OP - I will be rooting as soon as I get my phone and charge it to full haha. I'm going to need to erase like a million apk's from /system to get rid of plenty of the carrier and Samsung bloat.
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Bah to root, im going to be busy working on recovery, to me thats far more important

as much as im gonna hate moving to a new device not having root i think i am going to hold off on root till a method that does not trip knox is introduced. Or a way to use the samsung dongle with knox tripped is introduced. I don't care about warranty but the limit to use accessories is a game stopper for me. I mean with knox flag stop the VR glasses from working. to many unknowns right now.

shabbypenguin said:
Bah to root, im going to be busy working on recovery, to me thats far more important
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Does that mean we can expect some custom ROMs from you?
Not too shabby

filebug said:
... a way to use the samsung dongle with knox tripped is introduced. ... but the limit to use accessories is a ... with knox flag stop the VR glasses from working ...
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It that really true. If the knox is trigger using accessories such as the VR or Galaxy Gear watches won't work? What the heck? I thought knox was introduced by corporate people to have a more secure phone. Although the rooted use is a small portion of people, just seen short sighted to me.

I just rooted everything works good so far, used t-mobile's root with no issues.

shanda5303 said:
I just rooted everything works good so far, used t-mobile's root with no issues.
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anyone else?

lovekeiiy said:
It that really true. If the knox is trigger using accessories such as the VR or Galaxy Gear watches won't work? What the heck? I thought knox was introduced by corporate people to have a more secure phone. Although the rooted use is a small portion of people, just seen short sighted to me.
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It is for corporate security, not sure where he got all that "additional" info from.

Systom said:
anyone else?
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I second this. I used T Mobile's root From Chainfire with no problems. All root apps work great. Everything works as it should.

Systom said:
anyone else?
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Confirmed. The root located below seems to work on our Sprint phones.
http://download.chainfire.eu/571/CF-Root/CF-Auto-Root-trltetmo-trltetmo-smn910t.zip
I'm hoping I can download the full ROM before I start whacking up my system.

So I imagine this root method will trip knox right?

kosmo42o said:
So I imagine this root method will trip knox right?
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Yes

you dont say ???
shanda5303 said:
I just rooted everything works good so far, used t-mobile's root with no issues.
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And which model is your note ??

Successfully rooted on the sprint note 4 using the tmobile auto root!

shanda5303 said:
I just rooted everything works good so far, used t-mobile's root with no issues.
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Yep, works fine. TB is restoring my apps as I type this. Just choose "Normal" for SuperSU to update the binary. Don't forget to install the FixSD app to allow the correct writing permissions that they talk about in the T-Mobile forum.

DISCUSS: BOUNTY Boot Loader vs Root

No one wants to use this thread. Delete please.

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ShrekOpher said:
So as many of you know root has not been achieved for this phone yet. However I feel the more important goal is to unlock the boot loader.
If you have not been following the news about the future of root, once the Note 4 gets updated to Lollipop any root achieved on the device will be broken, most likely permanently, unless the boot loader is unlocked so the kernel can be modified. (http://androidcommunity.com/chainfire-details-root-issues-in-android-5-0-gives-quick-fix-20141020/)
SO those of you pledging money to get root access on this device might be wasting your money, at least in the long term.
Also many of you know that Samsung had teased that Lollipop for the Note 4 is coming soon. (http://phandroid.com/2014/10/22/galaxy-note-4-lillipop/)
So in order to preserve the root capabilities of this device the boot loader needs to be the focus. I agree to get there we will most likely need root first, but getting root only is a short term goal.
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Why'd you copy and paste this from your other thread?

pr0cl1v1ty said:
Why'd you copy and paste this from your other thread?
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Agreed.
I pledge $50 to unlock the bootloader.

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New information coming out about KNOX
So KNOX is not as strong of a fort as most people think.
http://mobilesecurityares.blogspot.com/2014/10/why-samsung-knox-isnt-really-fort-knox.html?m=1

I read through the article and can't help but wonder what it means for us in terms of unlocking the bootloader.

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ShrekOpher said:
It means that if we don't get the boot loader unlocked before AT$T pushes out Lollipop this phone will never have root again! At least that what it looks like to me.
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That's what I gathered and although I'm prepared for the possibility of no root, I do hope something can be figured out.
Do you think any of that knox analysis can be used to find an exploit?

stingrayAD said:
That's what I gathered and although I'm prepared for the possibility of no root, I do hope something can be figured out.
Do you think any of that knox analysis can be used to find an exploit?
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Yes I think so.

ShrekOpher said:
So if people found this thread first they wouldn't have to go back and forth.
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Yes, very helpful. Switching from iPhone 6 and long term iOS user. Thanks

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Its a real shame manufacturers are doing this. Rooting and having control over YOUR phone is what android is about.... I don't even flash Roms anymore but as the owner of my device I expect root permissions to at least backup apps and other minor little perks. Might give the N4 a try but keep my s4 as a backup if I can't handle no root down the road... Real bummer this situation is.

DJsCrIBbLe said:
Its a real shame manufacturers are doing this. Rooting and having control over YOUR phone is what android is about.... I don't even flash Roms anymore but as the owner of my device I expect root permissions to at least backup apps and other minor little perks. Might give the N4 a try but keep my s4 as a backup if I can't handle no root down the road... Real bummer this situation is.
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It not really manufacturers like Samsung, but more like carriers like AT&T.

DJsCrIBbLe said:
Its a real shame manufacturers are doing this. Rooting and having control over YOUR phone is what android is about.... I don't even flash Roms anymore but as the owner of my device I expect root permissions to at least backup apps and other minor little perks. Might give the N4 a try but keep my s4 as a backup if I can't handle no root down the road... Real bummer this situation is.
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Samsung sell the phone boot loader unlocked, AT&T and Verizon lock it down and bloat it up.
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Sorry I meant carrier :/

Again I want to point out that if the note 4 gets root before at&t updates their note 4 to android 5.0 then you have a choice to make. Do you want to keep root and stay on android 4.4.4 or update to 5.0. With root you can freeze the at&t updater app so you don't have to worry about at&t trying to force you to update. This is why root at this time is much more important than unlocking bootloader. Most of the time root comes before bootloader unlock anyways because it's much less work. But again this is Dependant on getting root first. If we get no root before 5.0 then it won't matter because then we'll just be down to unlocking the bootloader.
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just got the s6 and have questions

i was on the apple side for a few years and missed the customizations that I could do with android and root. I see that the root methods for the firmware I have trip knox and from what I see the biggest gripe is it disables Samsung pay. I don't plan on using this but do want to use my banking apps and wonder if tripping knox will cause the app to not work? is this the only down side besides voiding my warranty?
thank you for any help and im glad to be back on the android side already and ive only had my device for a few hours

Banking apps will always work in my experience when rooted. I use BoA
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sooo the only downfalls look to be no Samsung pay and a void warranty?

weirdfate said:
sooo the only downfalls look to be no Samsung pay and a void warranty?
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I believe so. My banking app works perfectly fine without a problem and I am rooted.

djpabz23 said:
I believe so. My banking app works perfectly fine without a problem and I am rooted.
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And no gear vr unless you root a special way

And is it a hardware trip and there is NO goimg back or a software trip and there are people attemptimg to figure it out?