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I just got my S4 moving off my HTC One and maybe I'm stupid but I can't seem to find a SAFESTRAP or my M919 MK2. I see all the cool mods listed but I'm missing the boat on how to load them safely. I just pulled this thing out of the box and I don't want to trip Knox if I don';t have to, (Super deal on factory sealed unit on Swappa.com - highly reccomend you trade there) These two skins are making MY skin crawl and I need to get Google Edition on here. Is anyone aware of a guide for idiots as I keep reading down dry holes and am not finding any answers. Thanks and KUDOS to all who help us get better. I know I'm a lot less scary than when I got here. I Sim unlocked the phone (didn't have to, but just cause I could to run on Simple Mobile/TMobile Tracfrone subsidiary. I also saferooted it so I am ready for the next step but don''t want a cliff. HELP!!! I also stupidly allowed the 4.3 OTA not thinking about what I was doing.....Me bad,

Here you go: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/how-to-root-the-t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-s-4-xda-developer-tv/
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Android_Monsters said:
Here you go: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/how-to-root-the-t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-s-4-xda-developer-tv/
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Thanks a bunch. I had already rooted using saferoot but was unaware of Triangle Away. That is a great tool. I'm still not clear how to get CWM over there without tripping knox (I know I had 422 last night my bad) and if I am going to be able to run mods without safestrap. I understand the bootloader on the 919 is different and this may not be an issue but I've read two different opinions. I got the pnone new unsealed off swappa so I may not have a warranty to bother with but would like to try and protect it if I can. I can find tutorials for VZW and ATT but not TMO. I need to learn how to look better any advice appreciated. I'd just go for it but this knox thing is worrying me.

mikesmccurdy said:
Thanks a bunch. I had already rooted using saferoot but was unaware of Triangle Away. That is a great tool. I'm still not clear how to get CWM over there without tripping knox (I know I had 422 last night my bad) and if I am going to be able to run mods without safestrap. I understand the bootloader on the 919 is different and this may not be an issue but I've read two different opinions. I got the pnone new unsealed off swappa so I may not have a warranty to bother with but would like to try and protect it if I can. I can find tutorials for VZW and ATT but not TMO. I need to learn how to look better any advice appreciated. I'd just go for it but this knox thing is worrying me.
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I don't think you have warranty, actually im pretty sure you dont. If it were me personally, i would just go ahead and do whatever you want. I think safestrap is the only option to do any sort of cwm. Otherwise, you will trip your knox counter.

Does Knox not come Preinstalled on TMOBILE Note 3

I just recently got a Note 3 which i use on Metro PCS. I haven't had any Samsung system updates so I'm still on the stock 4.3.3 rom. I noticed every now and then, I'll get a notification about an app being blocked so i figured I'd check if it's Knox or the annoying security scanner that came with the phone
so i clicked on Knox and got a screen with Knox saying to install 200mb. Since it doesn't seem to be installed...Can I root this phone without tripping the warranty counter?
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And can someone explain to me what this is and how I can stop it from annoying me
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Knox is on your phone. It's probably additional files needed to run it, but you have knox and as such you have the warranty void counter. You can root de la vega and keep your knox warranty or cf auto root if you don't care. I would stay away from kingo based on what I've read on this forum.
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Is there an advantage to rooting with something besides the root de Vega that would trip knox. I would like to root to a lighter ROM that gives me longer battery usage cause this guy can't squeeze out more than 4 and half hour of screen time.
Also any news on a Samsung update to the camera, it sucks at low light conditions
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If you plan on flashing rooms you might as well use cf auto root since a custom recovery or room will trip your knox counter anyway. As for your battery life, something seems a bit wrong. I use mine quite heavily and I cam easily get a day from it.
Haven't heard anything about a camera update as of yet.
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phil.culler said:
If you plan on flashing rooms you might as well use cf auto root since a custom recovery or room will trip your knox counter anyway. As for your battery life, something seems a bit wrong. I use mine quite heavily and I cam easily get a day from it.
Haven't heard anything about a camera update as of yet.
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But you use a Customized ROM that lowers battery drainage yes? Or do you have some features that you turn off?
What is cf auto root?

I'm on stock rooted only. Cf auto root is a file designed by chainfire to root the note 3 among other devices. Google it. You need the files for hltetmo.
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So Cf installs a rooted stock ROM that doesn't trigger Knox? I'm guessing the lte thing you mentioned only works for rooted devices? And that it will work on Metro, my phone is not unlocked bur obviously works flawlessly on Tmobile.
Any non root hotspot app that works?
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phil.culler said:
I'm on stock rooted only. Cf auto root is a file designed by chainfire to root the note 3 among other devices. Google it. You need the files for hltetmo.
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cf auto root will trip the knox???

Yes it will
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For that matter so will a custom ROM or recovery
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phil.culler said:
Yes it will
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For that matter so will a custom ROM or recovery
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LOL how are you guys okay with losing your samsung warranties. I paid 665 for my phone so I am paranoid. Do y'all have another coverage that you use? If so I need some recommendations.
So if I don't want to trip KNOX there is only one root option?

phil.culler said:
If you plan on flashing rooms you might as well use cf auto root since a custom recovery or room will trip your knox counter anyway. As for your battery life, something seems a bit wrong. I use mine quite heavily and I cam easily get a day from it.
Haven't heard anything about a camera update as of yet.
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OH and I meant Screen time used. The phone lasts about a day with medium to heavy use. I want it to last longer when I use the screen more

edo101 said:
LOL how are you guys okay with losing your samsung warranties. I paid 665 for my phone so I am paranoid. Do y'all have another coverage that you use? If so I need some recommendations.
So if I don't want to trip KNOX there is only one root option?
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Here's my current thought process on the warranty matter:
I literally just got my note 3 a few hours ago, but already the bloat is making me scathingly angry. So my choices are....root (vega) and do nothing, say screw it and do whatever I want and lose warranty, or....do nothing.
I'm trying to picture scenarios in my head where I would have to use my warranty (I also have Jump!). I can't think of any short of: my charger port stops working, or I bust the screen. But at that point, I'd probably just run over it with my car, pay the insurance deductible and get a new one. I'm not thrilled at the prospect of paying that deductible, but I'm currently less thrilled about putting up with Bloatwiz.
I haven't taken the plunge yet, but if you can think of other good reasons not to go ahead and trip knox and enjoy the beautiful bloat-free ROMs they have here, please let me know.

opiate46 said:
Here's my current thought process on the warranty matter:
I literally just got my note 3 a few hours ago, but already the bloat is making me scathingly angry. So my choices are....root (vega) and do nothing, say screw it and do whatever I want and lose warranty, or....do nothing.
I'm trying to picture scenarios in my head where I would have to use my warranty (I also have Jump!). I can't think of any short of: my charger port stops working, or I bust the screen. But at that point, I'd probably just run over it with my car, pay the insurance deductible and get a new one. I'm not thrilled at the prospect of paying that deductible, but I'm currently less thrilled about putting up with Bloatwiz.
I haven't taken the plunge yet, but if you can think of other good reasons not to go ahead and trip knox and enjoy the beautiful bloat-free ROMs they have here, please let me know.
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Sounds like you have made up your mind. Soo GO FOR IT!!!
What's life without risk.

So this my question where I cant find a clear answer to. If I flash custom roms it trips the KNOX counter and lose warranty right. Does that mean I cant get a new note 3 from my tmobile insurance? I mean if I can flash roms but I am still able to get a new note 3 through my insurance then its a no brainer for me, which warranty is if you have phone defects and software issues which im sure custom roms can fix all that. But I just want to know if flashing custom roms voids the insurance through my t-mobile? cause I wouldnt mind paying the deductible

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So this my question where I cant find a clear answer to. If I flash custom roms it trips the KNOX counter and lose warranty right. Does that mean I cant get a new note 3 from my tmobile insurance? I mean if I can flash roms but I am still able to get a new note 3 through my insurance then its a no brainer for me, which warranty is if you have phone defects and software issues which im sure custom roms can fix all that. But I just want to know if flashing custom roms voids the insurance through my t-mobile? cause I wouldnt mind paying the deductible
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Hey how do I know if I have insurance on my phone I just got mines but they didn't ask me if I wanted insurance. . Wad I supposed to ask lol wtf.. I'm confused lol
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mlock420 said:
Hey how do I know if I have insurance on my phone I just got mines but they didn't ask me if I wanted insurance. . Wad I supposed to ask lol wtf.. I'm confused lol
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sometimes they just put insurance since its a new phone. But most of the time they ask you if you want insurance, its an option. You can pay 10 bucks more a month for the insurance if not you don't have to but wont have insurance. If you just got the phone I sugget you call customer service(611) and ask if he put insurance if not ask them to put the insurance on the acct.

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sometimes they just put insurance since its a new phone. But most of the time they ask you if you want insurance, its an option. You can pay 10 bucks more a month for the insurance if not you don't have to but wont have insurance. If you just got the phone I sugget you call customer service(611) and ask if he put insurance if not ask them to put the insurance on the acct.
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Well I looked at my plan information and it says I have jump bundle which includes protection from damage theft and loss ... And my total bill says 70$... but it's weird Because my total due is 89.50$...I'm not used to paying that much for a no contract plan. .. but phone is worth it. .. Thanks for info
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mlock420 said:
Well I looked at my plan information and it says I have jump bundle which includes protection from damage theft and loss ... And my total bill says 70$... but it's weird Because my total due is 89.50$...I'm not used to paying that much for a no contract plan. .. but phone is worth it. .. Thanks for info
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Yeah thats how much it usually is 70 bucks. But if you haven't payed the phone off completely you pay like 20 bucks a month till the phone is payed off or have the option to turn in you're phone for a newer one like the s5 when it comes out, that's like the whole reason for the JUMP. But yeah the phone is worth it, it will be more worth it if I can find out flashing a custom rom won't affect my insurance plan on my acct.

edo101 said:
LOL how are you guys okay with losing your samsung warranties. I paid 665 for my phone so I am paranoid. Do y'all have another coverage that you use? If so I need some recommendations.
So if I don't want to trip KNOX there is only one root option?
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To answer your question there Edo, some of as such as myself are microelectronics gurus, and tinkerers, so were most likely going to take our phone apart anyway so Warranty=POOF, some of us also own devices that we either bought or bartered for on craigslist, so to be honest, some of them may not be what you would call "legally aquired" and i dont necessarily mean that any one of us stole the device, what i mean is it could be stolen and we may have bought it that way, (i honestly cant say i support that, but i cant turn away a good deal sometimes)**I KNOW ITS WRONG PLEASE DONT HATE ME** and others such as myself, bought a device like my Tmobile note 3 that was blacklisted for non payment because whoever owned it previously didnt pay the bill, but has no clue on how to unlock/root/rom a phone and have it currently unlocked on Straight Talk with AT&T sim, usually if its blacklisted with AT&T, it will still work on their towers, you just cant call AT&T and add it to your account, you can only put your sim in, 9 times out of 10 when its blacklisted from T-Mobile, you cant use it on their network wether its simple mobile, solavei or any tmobile tower using service, because the device will be declined for registration on their network. However for AT&T its nice to know a friend that can unblacklist phones
but ya, most of us dont care about warranty, but there are a great deal of us here that do at the same time

I'm finally ready to Root! :)

I have the T-Mobile gs4, had it for almost a year now. I just want to accomplish 2 seemingly simple things by rooting:
1. The ability to have UNLiMITED mobile hotspots at lte speeds. No throttling
2. Be able to unroot without there being any evidence that I've ever rooted... for warranty\insurance purposes just in case.
Anything else is just a bonus
Is there a way to accomplish this simply and easily? I know there are several ways and need a little direction.
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For question one. My experience is that Hotspot mods are hit and miss. Also, there is no Hotspoting on LTE
For your second question, it's possible to unroot and go back to stock if you are on a non-Knox bootloader. If you OTA or Kies upgraded to 4.3 or 4.4.2 TW, you will have Knox, making it impossible to go back to 4.2.2 and to go back to completely stock
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LoopDoGG79 said:
For question one. My experience is that Hotspot mods are hit and miss. Also, there is no Hotspoting on LTE
For your second question, it's possible to unroot and go back to stock if you are on a non-Knox bootloader. If you OTA or Kies upgraded to 4.3 or 4.4.2 TW, you will have Knox, making it impossible to go back to 4.2.2 and to go back to completely stock
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I have no problem using hotspot on lte (granted I am running my custom ROM and am rooted)
For the second question, if you root and trip knox you can still go back to 4.2.2 via a custom ROM. But not official 4.2.2 via a tar file flashed in Odin.
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#2 question, most mod posts clearly state your warranty is void if you mod. Kind of seems not right if you need to hide what you've done to the handset. If you aren't willing to let go of your warranty,I'd recommend leaving it stock.
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Actually people are reporting that having a tripped knox counter has not prevented them from getting a T-Mobile warranty replacement. I myself am considering upgrading my bootloader to 4.4.2 and having knox and tripping it.
In addition, from my research, knox counter is only important for business and enterprise situations where having a fail safe method of determining if the device has been modified in any way that may pose a security risk.
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Thanks all for help... I rooted and used Fennys rom.. tripped knox of course but im not worried about it.
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Actually the original question was not precise.
If you had your phone for long time and never upgraded to officially to T-Mobile kitkat, then you won't have a problem.
Could flash recovery, then flash custom kitkat rom, and most of them have Knox removed.
And then when needed You can flash official rom and clear flash counter using triangle away and send for warranty replacement.
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I did upgrade to official kit kat.
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j2gifted said:
I did upgrade to official kit kat.
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That was bad
Should not have upgraded to KK from JB, if you thinking about rooting.
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vlad2277 said:
That was bad
Should not have upgraded to KK from JB, if you thinking about rooting.
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You can still root
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elesbb said:
I have no problem using hotspot on lte (granted I am running my custom ROM and am rooted)
For the second question, if you root and trip knox you can still go back to 4.2.2 via a custom ROM. But not official 4.2.2 via a tar file flashed in Odin.
Actually people are reporting that having a tripped knox counter has not prevented them from getting a T-Mobile warranty replacement. I myself am considering upgrading my bootloader to 4.4.2 and having knox and tripping it.
In addition, from my research, knox counter is only important for business and enterprise situations where having a fail safe method of determining if the device has been modified in any way that may pose a security risk.
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Are you sure? People reporting that they received a new phone even tho they tripped KNOX warranty are most likely getting a new phone by insurance, not warranty. A warranty phone goes straight to Samsung in which they check to see if KNOX was triggered to 0x1 as an insurance phone is sent to the carrier. The carrier makes sure the screen is good, no water damage and that the phone is functional. By time an insurance phone is sent back to Samsung you already have a new phone and there is nothing Samsung can do about it.
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Kriptik210 said:
Are you sure? People reporting that they received a new phone even tho they tripped KNOX warranty are most likely getting a new phone by insurance, not warranty. A warranty phone goes straight to Samsung in which they check to see if KNOX was triggered to 0x1 as an insurance phone is sent to the carrier. The carrier makes sure the screen is good, no water damage and that the phone is functional. By time an insurance phone is sent back to Samsung you already have a new phone and there is nothing Samsung can do about it.
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Actually i think you have that backwards. Insurance claims does not matter the phones condition. It could be in a million pieces and you will still get a new one. Warranty claims you get the new device and then have to sent the old one back within so many days or they charge you for it. And just search the threads. There is a specific thread relating to the knox counter where people are posting their experiences. They all said they are getting the same phone back (verifying it with their IMEI number and MAC number and things like that) with a knox 0 counter. So Samsung themselves must have a way to revert the counter on our devices. I'm just going off of what i have been researching. The info is there, whether or not its factual is the reason i have not upgraded my bootloader. Which i still feel like doing.

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Actually i think you have that backwards. Insurance claims does not matter the phones condition. It could be in a million pieces and you will still get a new one. Warranty claims you get the new device and then have to sent the old one back within so many days or they charge you for it. And just search the threads. There is a specific thread relating to the knox counter where people are posting their experiences. They all said they are getting the same phone back (verifying it with their IMEI number and MAC number and things like that) with a knox 0 counter. So Samsung themselves must have a way to revert the counter on our devices. I'm just going off of what i have been researching. The info is there, whether or not its factual is the reason i have not upgraded my bootloader. Which i still feel like doing.
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Out of curiosity. .. why do u want ro upgrade your bootloader?
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elesbb said:
Actually i think you have that backwards. Insurance claims does not matter the phones condition. It could be in a million pieces and you will still get a new one. Warranty claims you get the new device and then have to sent the old one back within so many days or they charge you for it. And just search the threads. There is a specific thread relating to the knox counter where people are posting their experiences. They all said they are getting the same phone back (verifying it with their IMEI number and MAC number and things like that) with a knox 0 counter. So Samsung themselves must have a way to revert the counter on our devices. I'm just going off of what i have been researching. The info is there, whether or not its factual is the reason i have not upgraded my bootloader. Which i still feel like doing.
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Yea maybe I do have it a little twisted. But I know for sure that you cant get a brand new phone after you trip KNOX. Maybe get your old phone back with KNOX back to 0x0 but they will have that logged and the warranty would still be voided
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You can always root, but you'll never get warranty replacement, unless you lucky.
One of reasons for Knox was to combat so, people who root and mess up original software.
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Yea maybe I do have it a little twisted. But I know for sure that you cant get a brand new phone after you trip KNOX. Maybe get your old phone back with KNOX back to 0x0 but they will have that logged and the warranty would still be voided
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They don't "log" anything. If they refuse warranty they won't even send you your original back fixed. They won't even touch it. Even if knox was not tripped, you NEVER get a new phone back through warranty.
Call up a T-Mobile store near you yourself and ask them this "If I trip my KNOX counter in the download mode can I still get a warranty claim on my device?" 99 percent of them will say "what". Cause they aren't told to look for that. If the phone still powers on, and is "operable" then you can get a warranty claim. If you have a brick, (no download mode or anything) then they usually don't grant the warranty (in my experience anyhow). And if they do grant a warranty claim with the device not even getting to download mode and the knox was tripped, how do you suppose they are able to check it? The whole myth of knox warranty counter in download mode to keep people from rooting is truly that. If you flash something into the download mode partition and wipe it out, there is no way for them to check what that counter status was. Unless they have some super high tech fancy way of checking after flashing the bootloader back. But even that is enough for a consumer (granted a techie consumer) to get their phone back to working status..
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You can always root, but you'll never get warranty replacement, unless you lucky.
One of reasons for Knox was to combat so, people who root and mess up original software.
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That's not what i have been discovering though my research. The MAIN reason for KNOX was so enterprises and businesses have a fool proof way of detecting if their devices have been tampered with in any way to avoid security issues.

elesbb said:
They don't "log" anything. If they refuse warranty they won't even send you your original back fixed. They won't even touch it. Even if knox was not tripped, you NEVER get a new phone back through warranty.
Call up a T-Mobile store near you yourself and ask them this "If I trip my KNOX counter in the download mode can I still get a warranty claim on my device?" 99 percent of them will say "what". Cause they aren't told to look for that. If the phone still powers on, and is "operable" then you can get a warranty claim. If you have a brick, (no download mode or anything) then they usually don't grant the warranty (in my experience anyhow). And if they do grant a warranty claim with the device not even getting to download mode and the knox was tripped, how do you suppose they are able to check it? The whole myth of knox warranty counter in download mode to keep people from rooting is truly that. If you flash something into the download mode partition and wipe it out, there is no way for them to check what that counter status was. Unless they have some super high tech fancy way of checking after flashing the bootloader back. But even that is enough for a consumer (granted a techie consumer) to get their phone back to working status..
That's not what i have been discovering though my research. The MAIN reason for KNOX was so enterprises and businesses have a fool proof way of detecting if their devices have been tampered with in any way to avoid security issues.
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Based on actual experiences of hundreds of people who have discussed it here, this is all 100% correct. I can't recall reading a single report of an actual occurance that has said otherwise.

DISCUSS: BOUNTY Boot Loader vs Root

No one wants to use this thread. Delete please.

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ShrekOpher said:
So as many of you know root has not been achieved for this phone yet. However I feel the more important goal is to unlock the boot loader.
If you have not been following the news about the future of root, once the Note 4 gets updated to Lollipop any root achieved on the device will be broken, most likely permanently, unless the boot loader is unlocked so the kernel can be modified. (http://androidcommunity.com/chainfire-details-root-issues-in-android-5-0-gives-quick-fix-20141020/)
SO those of you pledging money to get root access on this device might be wasting your money, at least in the long term.
Also many of you know that Samsung had teased that Lollipop for the Note 4 is coming soon. (http://phandroid.com/2014/10/22/galaxy-note-4-lillipop/)
So in order to preserve the root capabilities of this device the boot loader needs to be the focus. I agree to get there we will most likely need root first, but getting root only is a short term goal.
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Why'd you copy and paste this from your other thread?

pr0cl1v1ty said:
Why'd you copy and paste this from your other thread?
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Agreed.
I pledge $50 to unlock the bootloader.

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New information coming out about KNOX
So KNOX is not as strong of a fort as most people think.
http://mobilesecurityares.blogspot.com/2014/10/why-samsung-knox-isnt-really-fort-knox.html?m=1

I read through the article and can't help but wonder what it means for us in terms of unlocking the bootloader.

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ShrekOpher said:
It means that if we don't get the boot loader unlocked before AT$T pushes out Lollipop this phone will never have root again! At least that what it looks like to me.
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That's what I gathered and although I'm prepared for the possibility of no root, I do hope something can be figured out.
Do you think any of that knox analysis can be used to find an exploit?

stingrayAD said:
That's what I gathered and although I'm prepared for the possibility of no root, I do hope something can be figured out.
Do you think any of that knox analysis can be used to find an exploit?
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Yes I think so.

ShrekOpher said:
So if people found this thread first they wouldn't have to go back and forth.
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Yes, very helpful. Switching from iPhone 6 and long term iOS user. Thanks

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Its a real shame manufacturers are doing this. Rooting and having control over YOUR phone is what android is about.... I don't even flash Roms anymore but as the owner of my device I expect root permissions to at least backup apps and other minor little perks. Might give the N4 a try but keep my s4 as a backup if I can't handle no root down the road... Real bummer this situation is.

DJsCrIBbLe said:
Its a real shame manufacturers are doing this. Rooting and having control over YOUR phone is what android is about.... I don't even flash Roms anymore but as the owner of my device I expect root permissions to at least backup apps and other minor little perks. Might give the N4 a try but keep my s4 as a backup if I can't handle no root down the road... Real bummer this situation is.
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It not really manufacturers like Samsung, but more like carriers like AT&T.

DJsCrIBbLe said:
Its a real shame manufacturers are doing this. Rooting and having control over YOUR phone is what android is about.... I don't even flash Roms anymore but as the owner of my device I expect root permissions to at least backup apps and other minor little perks. Might give the N4 a try but keep my s4 as a backup if I can't handle no root down the road... Real bummer this situation is.
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Samsung sell the phone boot loader unlocked, AT&T and Verizon lock it down and bloat it up.
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Sorry I meant carrier :/

Again I want to point out that if the note 4 gets root before at&t updates their note 4 to android 5.0 then you have a choice to make. Do you want to keep root and stay on android 4.4.4 or update to 5.0. With root you can freeze the at&t updater app so you don't have to worry about at&t trying to force you to update. This is why root at this time is much more important than unlocking bootloader. Most of the time root comes before bootloader unlock anyways because it's much less work. But again this is Dependant on getting root first. If we get no root before 5.0 then it won't matter because then we'll just be down to unlocking the bootloader.
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If you tripped Knox, no Samsung Pay for you.

http://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-pay-not-supported-on-knox-tripped-devices/
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/07/24/samsung-pay-wont-work-on-rooted-devices/
Whatever... I carry my wallet with me everywhere anyway! Root was so worth it lol.

You might want to experiment with it thou. When will someone provide us with an open, unlucked bootloader like t-mobile device?
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asafegous said:
You might want to experiment with it thou. When will someone provide us with an open, unlucked bootloader like t-mobile device?
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What you talkin bout Willis?? Sprint's GS6 bootloader is unlocked. Why do you think we are able to root so easily?

http://www.xda-developers.com/root-t-mobile-s6edge-on-5-1-1-without-tripping-knox/
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asafegous said:
http://www.xda-developers.com/root-t-mobile-s6edge-on-5-1-1-without-tripping-knox/
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Dude, how many threads you going to post this in? It's old news - Tmobile got access to a leaked engineering bootloader a while ago. That engeneering bootloader is something that has to be leaked, not something can be developed. In fact Samsung themselves reached out to xda to have those leaked files removed (check their root thread). Sprint will not betting access to a Sprint engineering bootloader. It's just not going to happen.

I do believe that sprint has one for the same reason t-mobile has one (repairs). If we collectively shmooz the sprint repair shops, we might find one, no?
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asafegous said:
I do believe that sprint has one for the same reason t-mobile has one (repairs). If we collectively shmooz the sprint repair shops, we might find one, no?
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Anything's possible, soooperstar in the sprint s6edge threads says he's got an engineering bootloader and is looking for testers if you wanna be a guinea pig.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3158902

Thoughts on Android Pay?
Has anybody been looking at Google's Android pay? Should be for a larger number of phones, I'd be more likely to use this than a Samsung solution.
I bring it up because it makes the issue of tripping Knox irrelevant, at least to me.
https://www.android.com/intl/en_us/pay/

koop1955 said:
Has anybody been looking at Google's Android pay? Should be for a larger number of phones, I'd be more likely to use this than a Samsung solution.
I bring it up because it makes the issue of tripping Knox irrelevant, at least to me.
https://www.android.com/intl/en_us/pay/
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The thing is.... Android Pay relies on NFC, so the vendors have to implement that. Samsung Pay works anywhere without any extra vendor implementation.

JoeFCaputo113 said:
http://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-pay-not-supported-on-knox-tripped-devices/
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/07/24/samsung-pay-wont-work-on-rooted-devices/
Whatever... I carry my wallet with me everywhere anyway! Root was so worth it lol.
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So which is it? Will it not work on rooted devices or knox tripped devices? If being rooted is the issue, can't we just unroot and then be able to use it?

I Brick Phones said:
So which is it? Will it not work on rooted devices or knox tripped devices? If being rooted is the issue, can't we just unroot and then be able to use it?
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The current means of gaining root is to use a custom kernel. Installing that kernel, any kernel other than stock, trips Knox. So at this time any rooted device has tripped Knox and unrooting won't change that.

koop1955 said:
The current means of gaining root is to use a custom kernel. Installing that kernel, any kernel other than stock, trips Knox. So at this time any rooted device has tripped Knox and unrooting won't change that.
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How is that, does PingPong root not work anymore? My S6 is rooted without tripping Knox.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/spr...ot-tripping-knox-sprint-s6-supported-t3103196

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How is that, does PingPong root not work anymore? My S6 is rooted without tripping Knox.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/spr...ot-tripping-knox-sprint-s6-supported-t3103196
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Won't work if you accept the upgrade to 5.1.1. See post #2 in the guide here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-galaxy-s6/general/how-to-to-100-stock-root-t3075448

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Won't work if you accept the upgrade to 5.1.1. See post #2 in the guide here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-galaxy-s6/general/how-to-to-100-stock-root-t3075448
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I've heard that its basically impossible to downgrade to 5.0.2 if you've upgraded. So basically anyone who upgraded to 5.1.1 is stuck? Is it just a waiting game now and hoping for a lucky break on 5.1.1 to find/develop a kernel that won't trip knox?

Ive had enough of a 4 hour battery. Im rooting this device and tripping the knox tonight. If i feel like paying for something with a phone, ill run out and buy an iphone.
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Does tripping Knox break just samsung pay or does it affect other apps like Google wallet?
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Try signing my petition to allow rooted users to use Samsung Pay
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-allow-people-with-rooted-phones-to-use-samsung-pay

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Try signing my petition to allow rooted users to use Samsung Pay
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-allow-people-with-rooted-phones-to-use-samsung-pay
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That's sooo worthless and a waste of time. Root= not secure AT ALL. There is no way this would EVERRRRRRR be allowed if 1,000,000 people signed it.

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That's sooo worthless and a waste of time. Root= not secure AT ALL. There is no way this would EVERRRRRRR be allowed if 1,000,000 people signed it.
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How is root less secure? People who have root are more cautious they won't fall for the regular virus tricks, they will probably use adaway which will block viruses, and they will get security patches faster.
And if Samsung isn't convinced by this they should at least open the MST hardware to third party developers so they can make their own payment solutions.
Another thing Samsung could do is allow people who tripped knox but reverted back to stock to use Samsung Pay. Imagine buying a phone on ebay with tripped knox and not being able to use a advertised feature.

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How is root less secure? People who have root are more cautious they won't fall for the regular virus tricks, they will probably use adaway which will block viruses, and they will get security patches faster.
And if Samsung isn't convinced by this they should at least open the MST hardware to third party developers so they can make their own payment solutions.
Another thing Samsung could do is allow people who tripped knox but reverted back to stock to use Samsung Pay. Imagine buying a phone on ebay with tripped knox and not being able to use a advertised feature.
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I have to agree. Having root doesn't mean my phone isn't secure. In addition, how can I use root to magically make a purchase without taking money out of an account?
If Samsung is worried about someone else making a root app to access my accounts, then that is my own fault. I still should be allowed to use a feature on my phone. I don't like how they think they have the right to tell me what I can and can't do with my 700 dollar device. It's MY device. I'm responsible for anything that happens to it. Period.
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