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[Q] premium suite

is there any one who ever tried to install i9300's premium suite into his att/sprint/us cellular/tmobile version of samsung galaxy s3?
Ive tried it by changing built.prop parameters and stuff. It seems pretty working , I have pretty multiwindow stuff
questioon is why no one ever tries it , i know everyone says that their phone gonna turn to a brick, yes its more likely to happen
but why its so? dont say every model has its own firmware, gimme a better explanation please.? if its gonna be harmful for my phone im gonna turn it back .

The main reason it is not a good idea to ever attempt to flash an international version of this phone to a US version is because the international version is a quad core exynos processor, no LTE and 1gb RAM and the US version has a dual core snapdragon with LTE and 2gb RAM.
They have completely different hardware setups, therefore are completely different devices.
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common sense: Flash International Roms to U.S Variants = Hard Brick (soft bricked if lucky)

Thanks guys for your answers

[Q] Downside to 4G LTE?

Noob here who has decided on Samsung note 10.1 for my first tablet ... but which one? Looking for fastest performance and longevity. Does the added mobility of 4G degrade performance during WiFi operation? ... are there disadvantages other than related costs?
tx in advance!

I will advice the 4G version because it have the Snap800 like processor and have the 4G that is better and faster like 3G.
Finally, the Snap800 will have more support from dev then the 3G with the Exynos by Sammy

The trade-off will be reduced battery life most likely if traveling in weak LTE areas.

I'm leaning towards SD800, especially after what I saw in the picture
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Thank you for your replies. Looks like only the 4G version has the faster SnapDragon800. Ok that's settled.
Between32 and64, will the 64 remain faster as the memory folk
fills up or is it all the same in respect to performance?
Tx for answering my dumb questions!

g8rella said:
Thank you for your replies. Looks like only the 4G version has the faster SnapDragon800. Ok that's settled.
Between32 and64, will the 64 remain faster as the memory folk
fills up or is it all the same in respect to performance?
Tx for answering my dumb questions!
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I wouldn't say that the sd is faster just yet, there are no real benchmarks out there just yet for the new octo core 5420, based on the few cryptic leaks they seem to think that the new octo might be a tiny bit faster. Im not going to jump to any conclusions just yet, I would preffer the sd800 on my device if only for the cyanogenmod support

Will you be able to use this device as a phone? As in does it have a dialer that you can use with a regular SIM like the old one?

I'm getting the one with the Snapdragon processor in it.

Sammy promised that they will include HMP (Heterogeneous Multi Processing) in their 5xxx processors . Ie; they will make s4,note3 and note 10.1 to real octa core processors through a software upgrade (say kernel upgrade)...so guess , which will have higher performance , sd or exynos? ? ? ?
And also exynos version will have wolfson audio DAC in it , so exynos defeats sd in audio performance
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I would welcome an LTE model on Verizon except it will be limited to 16GB of storage and I just won't accept that. You need 32GB or higher internal storage for apps not medial content that is what the microsd is for.

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LuckyStrike88 said:
Will you be able to use this device as a phone? As in does it have a dialer that you can use with a regular SIM like the old one?
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I think I read that the phone version (which won't be sold by US cellular companies) is limited to 2G. I would love to hear differently.

RaptorMD said:
I would welcome an LTE model on Verizon except it will be limited to 16GB of storage and I just won't accept that. You need 32GB or higher internal storage for apps not medial content that is what the microsd is for.
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Whoa..that's completely unacceptable (I'm Verizon). Agree on 32 min. Where can I find spex on Verizon's version?
The spec sheet Mashari_F posted helps differentiate among variants but I'm still not clear.
I'll likely have to wait until later in Nov. for my own good ... see how users are feeling about SD VS. OCTA and see what Verizon puts out vs. Wifi.
Tx!

16GB should be fine, I have tons of apps and games installed on my 16GB old note 10
and still have 4-5GB left, if you are planning on installing huge games like nova 3 (I think it takes up 2.2GB) then you might want to consider the 32GB instead
if you root and have a nice size microsd handy, you really wont have to worry about it

So, if you want the best CPU, you have to buy the version with a cell radio in it? That's kinda dorky, since I can just tether to my phone. But I guess if I want the best CPU I gotta buy the 4G (that I won't use).

NaxIonz said:
So, if you want the best CPU, you have to buy the version with a cell radio in it? That's kinda dorky, since I can just tether to my phone. But I guess if I want the best CPU I gotta buy the 4G (that I won't use).
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Yes, sure.
Because Snap800 support LTE.
And Snap800 version will be better then Exynos
See the S4, the S600 have more support that Exynos Octa...

We dont know which is more powerful yet, this is the new octa core, not the old one
Wait for benchmarks from the new one to see

Joey22688 said:
We dont know which is more powerful yet, this is the new octa core, not the old one
Wait for benchmarks from the new one to see
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lol, benchmarks...
I won't see bench, because they don't have a lot of sense.
Snap800 will be supportated because devs know the architecture and they always have the source code...
Isn't the same for the Exynos...
It's like S3 for the Cyano
So, ATM, Snap > Exynos

Guich said:
lol, benchmarks...
I won't see bench, because they don't have a lot of sense.
Snap800 will be supportated because devs know the architecture and they always have the source code...
Isn't the same for the Exynos...
It's like S3 for the Cyano
So, ATM, Snap > Exynos
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Samsung released the kernel source for the Exynos version a few days ago (sammobile.com/2013/09/20/samsung-releases-kernel-source-for-galaxy-note-10-1-2014-edition). I'm not very familiar with all the lingo, so please enlighten me: Is this not (all) the source code that devs need to do their thing?

Can someone explain why someone buys an expensive note 10.1 only to install cyanogenmod and lose all the exclusive features? (Spen, multiwindow, ir blaster, and some other things)
Just buy a nexus 10 or wait for the new one if you are going to do that

The_Maverick said:
Samsung released the kernel source for the Exynos version a few days ago (sammobile.com/2013/09/20/samsung-releases-kernel-source-for-galaxy-note-10-1-2014-edition). I'm not very familiar with all the lingo, so please enlighten me: Is this not (all) the source code that devs need to do their thing?
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The big problem there isn't the source code, this was an older problem, but the structure of the partition and the core.
If a dev will build a kernel, the source are here.
But, trust me, snap have a source code more easy, it's quadcore, and we know all about this.
Joey22688 said:
Can someone explain why someone buys an expensive note 10.1 only to install cyanogenmod and lose all the exclusive features? (Spen, multiwindow, ir blaster, and some other things)
Just buy a nexus 10 or wait for the new one if you are going to do that
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No sense.
There isn't any sense...
In fact, i will buy it only for the feature of the tab, not for the Cyano rom
Maybe, someone, will work on a tweaked rom Touchwiz based.

Info before buying note 10.1 2014

Hi everybody!
For many years I've been looking for a decent tablet with advanced stylus features to use at work. I am a researcher so I need something to take notes while I'm working and a way to read and take notes on scientific books and papers.
It seems the Gnote 10.1 2014 could fit my needs, but I'd like to ask a couple of questions before buying it.
1) Are there any actual difference between the exynos and the snapdragon versions, apart from the problems regarding Samsung not releasing exynos sources in future?
2) Is there any reason why the development of custom roms is still practically absent?
3) Is the international version regionally locked?
4) How can be compared the experience with the S-pen when using custom roms? I'm planning to use mainly of apps which are not directly related to samsung (papyrus, lecturenotes, repligo reader) so in future it could be interesting to flash a custom rom on the tablet. Will the S-Pen keep working properly?
5) Is there any reason why you would discourage me from buying it?
Thank you all guys!

jst_tsj said:
Hi everybody!
For many years I've been looking for a decent tablet with advanced stylus features to use at work. I am a researcher so I need something to take notes while I'm working and a way to read and take notes on scientific books and papers.
It seems the Gnote 10.1 2014 could fit my needs, but I'd like to ask a couple of questions before buying it.
1) Are there any actual difference between the exynos and the snapdragon versions, apart from the problems regarding Samsung not releasing exynos sources in future?
2) Is there any reason why the development of custom roms is still practically absent?
3) Is the international version regionally locked?
4) How can be compared the experience with the S-pen when using custom roms? I'm planning to use mainly of apps which are not directly related to samsung (papyrus, lecturenotes, repligo reader) so in future it could be interesting to flash a custom rom on the tablet. Will the S-Pen keep working properly?
5) Is there any reason why you would discourage me from buying it?
Thank you all guys!
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I will try to answer many questions.
1) Sure there is a difference between the exynos and snapdragon. The snapdragon (2.3) is faster than the exynos version which is 1.9. Also the snapdragon supports 4G while the exynos supports 3G. There is sometimes lag when using the tab (exynos) while there is no reported lag with the snapdragon version.
2) The development of custom roms is poor for this device, but there are some custom roms for the p-605 (4G-Snapdragon version), while there is few for the exynos version. I don`t know why!!!
3) I don`t know.
4) S-Pen is working perfectly with custom rom and/or root. I`m using many applications dedicated for the S-Pen after rooting my device (p-601/3G/exynos) like S-pen Gesture, GMD Gesture, Stylus Pen Beta,....etc.
5) You can take a look at the new devices Note 12.2 Pro, it comes with Kitkat 4.4, Magazine UX, and improved performance than the Note 2014 edition.

skyhigh73 said:
I will try to answer many questions.
1) Sure there is a difference between the exynos and snapdragon. The snapdragon (2.3) is faster than the exynos version which is 1.9. Also the snapdragon supports 4G while the exynos supports 3G. There is sometimes lag when using the tab (exynos) while there is no reported lag with the snapdragon version.
2) The development of custom roms is poor for this device, but there are some custom roms for the p-605 (4G-Snapdragon version), while there is few for the exynos version. I don`t know why!!!
3) I don`t know.
4) S-Pen is working perfectly with custom rom and/or root. I`m using many applications dedicated for the S-Pen after rooting my device (p-601/3G/exynos) like S-pen Gesture, GMD Gesture, Stylus Pen Beta,....etc.
5) You can take a look at the new devices Note 12.2 Pro, it comes with Kitkat 4.4, Magazine UX, and improved performance than the Note 2014 edition.
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Thank you very much for your answers! The note 12 would be perfect for the use I'm planning to do, but it's too expensive for me so I think I'll take this instead
What about the Knox fuse? Is there any way to avoid its damage?
Thx again!
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk

jst_tsj said:
Thank you very much for your answers! The note 12 would be perfect for the use I'm planning to do, but it's too expensive for me so I think I'll take this instead
What about the Knox fuse? Is there any way to avoid its damage?
Thx again!
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk
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U r welcomed.
Regarding knox and warranty void. It is still noway to avoid this. However I re-flashed my device 3 times and rooted it 3 times but finally I got only 1 bin counter, instead of 3 I don`t know why!!

skyhigh73 said:
I will try to answer many questions.
1) Sure there is a difference between the exynos and snapdragon. The snapdragon (2.3) is faster than the exynos version which is 1.9. Also the snapdragon supports 4G while the exynos supports 3G. There is sometimes lag when using the tab (exynos) while there is no reported lag with the snapdragon version.
2) The development of custom roms is poor for this device, but there are some custom roms for the p-605 (4G-Snapdragon version), while there is few for the exynos version. I don`t know why!!!
3) I don`t know.
4) S-Pen is working perfectly with custom rom and/or root. I`m using many applications dedicated for the S-Pen after rooting my device (p-601/3G/exynos) like S-pen Gesture, GMD Gesture, Stylus Pen Beta,....etc.
5) You can take a look at the new devices Note 12.2 Pro, it comes with Kitkat 4.4, Magazine UX, and improved performance than the Note 2014 edition.
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There is no difference between the exynos and snapdragon.....I used both of them and the exynos has better graphics but the snapdragon has better frame rate. .......also the exynos better in using battery while the snapdragon charges faster....
By the way.......the lag is software problem so it is on both of them

Ahmedmoataz said:
There is no difference between the exynos and snapdragon.....I used both of them and the exynos has better graphics but the snapdragon has better frame rate. .......also the exynos better in using battery while the snapdragon charges faster....
By the way.......the lag is software problem so it is on both of them
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So you can confirm me that the tablet suffers of performance lags?
I was asking regarding the exynos vs snap because, as an earlier SGSIII user, I'm pretty aware of the development difficulties arising from the decision of Samsung to not release sources for the exynos platform. Hence, I wouldn't like to buy a tablet which won't be supported properly by the community due to commercial strategies.

jst_tsj said:
So you can confirm me that the tablet suffers of performance lags?
I was asking regarding the exynos vs snap because, as an earlier SGSIII user, I'm pretty aware of the development difficulties arising from the decision of Samsung to not release sources for the exynos platform. Hence, I wouldn't like to buy a tablet which won't be supported properly by the community due to commercial strategies.
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Yea both of them have the lag problems but with the right sittings it can run very smoothly
......about the support issues I dont know which is better but overall samsung sucks at support

jst_tsj said:
So you can confirm me that the tablet suffers of performance lags?
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That's a bit strong. You'll see random millisecond stutters in transitions and in opening and closing apps. There's an indexing service that supports S Finder that periodically refreshes itself and can take a while on devices that have a lot of PDFs and/or handwritten notes. When there's not a lot going on in the background there's little or no lag. At least on my device.

Differences between Snapdragon and Exynos Radios for USA - AT&T?

Hey all,
I have the option of buying the phone straight from AT&T or getting an international unlocked version. I know that the Exynos processor is better for performance for the most part, but how are the radio's/performance/battery life in comparison to the SD820? I live right by NYC so I have full LTE everywhere I go right now. I'm not worried about VoLTE if that's an issue, I very rarely use the phone to call.
Thanks guys!

Blaze9 said:
Hey all,
I have the option of buying the phone straight from AT&T or getting an international unlocked version. I know that the Exynos processor is better for performance for the most part, but how are the radio's/performance/battery life in comparison to the SD820? I live right by NYC so I have full LTE everywhere I go right now. I'm not worried about VoLTE if that's an issue, I very rarely use the phone to call.
Thanks guys!
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If the Note 7 is like the GS7 Edge, then the Exynos version will have better battery life. Right now, no one really knows.
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One of the few reasons to go with a carrier phone is because they optimize the radios for their networks. S-820 devices use Qualcomm's X12 LTE modem which supports LTE-U. Exynos devices use Samsung Shannon 935 modem. Both support LTE category 11/12. They're the same modems used in the S7-series so look at their forums. Any happiness or unhappiness using either on AT&T would be the same for the Note7.

Im curious as well either getting the international version or Tmobiles version. I see the Note 5 international roms have alot more options and the processor is going to be better on the international variant.

recepo1 said:
Im curious as well either getting the international version or Tmobiles version. I see the Note 5 international roms have alot more options and the processor is going to be better on the international variant.
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The radios on both should give you 100% coverage on t-mobile.

erootaku123 said:
The radios on both should give you 100% coverage on t-mobile.
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Thank you ...am i correct in stating the processor is better on the international variant?

recepo1 said:
Thank you ...am i correct in stating the processor is better on the international variant?
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Better battery life and memory management. Worse GPU is the general consensus.

erootaku123 said:
Better battery life and memory management. Worse GPU is the general consensus.
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Hmmm interesting thank you for the insight much appreciated considering all those factors personally what would you think is the overall best choice?

erootaku123 said:
Better battery life and memory management. Worse GPU is the general consensus.
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But, that's stock kernel. All of that can be fixed via custom

The Sickness said:
But, that's stock kernel. All of that can be fixed via custom
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If you can unlock the bootloader on the locked US versions that is. Even then I think exynos is better if you dont play alot of games.

erootaku123 said:
If you can unlock the bootloader on the locked US versions that is.
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That is true....that's what is keeping me away

erootaku123 said:
If you can unlock the bootloader on the locked US versions that is. Even then I think exynos is better if you dont play alot of games.
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I build exynos for the S6....games are not a issue on my kernels.
I just wish Sammy would of left the bootloader alone.

Hi Guys,
I'm tired of asking for more and more details and not enough answers. Can you guys help me come up with a bottom line?
If I need an unlocked Bootloader and custom development support and using the phone in the US on AT&T or T-Mobile, which variant should I get? The regular N930F or the Dual SIM version the N930FD?
Thanks for your help!

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But, that's stock kernel. All of that can be fixed via custom
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So as a developer which one do you think will be a better choice?

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So as a developer which one do you think will be a better choice?
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Snapdragon gets more development. But, Exynos is good. I guess it really depends on who builds it to be honest.

The Sickness said:
Snapdragon gets more development. But, Exynos is good. I guess it really depends on who builds it to be honest.
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Thanks sure either would be a good decision in the long run.

The Sickness said:
Snapdragon gets more development. But, Exynos is good. I guess it really depends on who builds it to be honest.
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How do you figure that, my friend? Especially with a locked Bootloader on the SD?

With the international variant, you won't get Samsung pay if that is a big deal to you.

Acapella75 said:
With the international variant, you won't get Samsung pay if that is a big deal to you.
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I think there is a way to get it if you're not Rooted, no? You just need to have the right CSC or something?

The Sickness said:
I build exynos for the S6....games are not a issue on my kernels.
I just wish Sammy would of left the bootloader alone.
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I'm basing this purely on the stock numbers testing. The SD has a better GPU technically.

USB C Question - For AUS Variant

A questions for any Australians out there , or anyone else that has the answer.
I have seen a lot of posts about the USB-C versions (2.0 vs 3.1 etc), I have also asked Samsung Aus directly and they cannot provide me an answer......(not sure why). Maybe they cant until the phone is released.
But i would like to know what version the Australian model will have......2.0 or 3.1?
This is the model number that comes up on my order; SM-N930FZKAXSA

longsville said:
A questions for any Australians out there , or anyone else that has the answer.
I have seen a lot of posts about the USB-C versions (2.0 vs 3.1 etc), I have also asked Samsung Aus directly and they cannot provide me an answer......(not sure why). Maybe they cant until the phone is released.
But i would like to know what version the Australian model will have......2.0 or 3.1?
This is the model number that comes up on my order; SM-N930FZKAXSA
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As far as I'm aware all the Galaxy Note 7's have USB-C 3.1
Actually, disregard that... I just had a look around, apparently it varies from one chipset to the next. I'm guessing the Qualcomm Snapdragon models may have 3.1 and Australian Exynos models 2.0, but not 100% sure.

valamer said:
As far as I'm aware all the Galaxy Note 7's have USB-C 3.1
Actually, disregard that... I just had a look around, apparently it varies from one chipset to the next. I'm guessing the Qualcomm Snapdragon models may have 3.1 and Australian Exynos models 2.0, but not 100% sure.
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See, i thought they were all the same until i started digging around as well. Now im confused.
It would be nice to think that being the latest unit it would have 3.1, but i guess it depends on the chip handling it......and in saying that, dont the Exynos chips run better than SD? Im not tech savvy with that so i could be completely wrong in my thought process.

longsville said:
See, i thought they were all the same until i started digging around as well. Now im confused.
It would be nice to think that being the latest unit it would have 3.1, but i guess it depends on the chip handling it......and in saying that, dont the Exynos chips run better than SD? Im not tech savvy with that so i could be completely wrong in my thought process.
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They are both very close in performance, but in majority of videos comparing the Exynos & SD variants of the Galaxy S7 the Exynos comes out as the better performer, although I did see one video that the SD variant won, so not sure what was going on there. The bigger difference it seems is that Qualcomm releases always up to date source code which is needed to get all components of their platform working on AOSP, Samsung does not, so many people tend to like the SDs more for this reason. But in the US the bootloaders are locked down by the phone carriers so they can't modify the software on them anyway.