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Noob here who has decided on Samsung note 10.1 for my first tablet ... but which one? Looking for fastest performance and longevity. Does the added mobility of 4G degrade performance during WiFi operation? ... are there disadvantages other than related costs?
tx in advance!
I will advice the 4G version because it have the Snap800 like processor and have the 4G that is better and faster like 3G.
Finally, the Snap800 will have more support from dev then the 3G with the Exynos by Sammy
The trade-off will be reduced battery life most likely if traveling in weak LTE areas.
I'm leaning towards SD800, especially after what I saw in the picture
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Thank you for your replies. Looks like only the 4G version has the faster SnapDragon800. Ok that's settled.
Between32 and64, will the 64 remain faster as the memory folk
fills up or is it all the same in respect to performance?
Tx for answering my dumb questions!
g8rella said:
Thank you for your replies. Looks like only the 4G version has the faster SnapDragon800. Ok that's settled.
Between32 and64, will the 64 remain faster as the memory folk
fills up or is it all the same in respect to performance?
Tx for answering my dumb questions!
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I wouldn't say that the sd is faster just yet, there are no real benchmarks out there just yet for the new octo core 5420, based on the few cryptic leaks they seem to think that the new octo might be a tiny bit faster. Im not going to jump to any conclusions just yet, I would preffer the sd800 on my device if only for the cyanogenmod support
Will you be able to use this device as a phone? As in does it have a dialer that you can use with a regular SIM like the old one?
I'm getting the one with the Snapdragon processor in it.
Sammy promised that they will include HMP (Heterogeneous Multi Processing) in their 5xxx processors . Ie; they will make s4,note3 and note 10.1 to real octa core processors through a software upgrade (say kernel upgrade)...so guess , which will have higher performance , sd or exynos? ? ? ?
And also exynos version will have wolfson audio DAC in it , so exynos defeats sd in audio performance
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I would welcome an LTE model on Verizon except it will be limited to 16GB of storage and I just won't accept that. You need 32GB or higher internal storage for apps not medial content that is what the microsd is for.
Phone 2G
LuckyStrike88 said:
Will you be able to use this device as a phone? As in does it have a dialer that you can use with a regular SIM like the old one?
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I think I read that the phone version (which won't be sold by US cellular companies) is limited to 2G. I would love to hear differently.
RaptorMD said:
I would welcome an LTE model on Verizon except it will be limited to 16GB of storage and I just won't accept that. You need 32GB or higher internal storage for apps not medial content that is what the microsd is for.
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Whoa..that's completely unacceptable (I'm Verizon). Agree on 32 min. Where can I find spex on Verizon's version?
The spec sheet Mashari_F posted helps differentiate among variants but I'm still not clear.
I'll likely have to wait until later in Nov. for my own good ... see how users are feeling about SD VS. OCTA and see what Verizon puts out vs. Wifi.
Tx!
16GB should be fine, I have tons of apps and games installed on my 16GB old note 10
and still have 4-5GB left, if you are planning on installing huge games like nova 3 (I think it takes up 2.2GB) then you might want to consider the 32GB instead
if you root and have a nice size microsd handy, you really wont have to worry about it
So, if you want the best CPU, you have to buy the version with a cell radio in it? That's kinda dorky, since I can just tether to my phone. But I guess if I want the best CPU I gotta buy the 4G (that I won't use).
NaxIonz said:
So, if you want the best CPU, you have to buy the version with a cell radio in it? That's kinda dorky, since I can just tether to my phone. But I guess if I want the best CPU I gotta buy the 4G (that I won't use).
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Yes, sure.
Because Snap800 support LTE.
And Snap800 version will be better then Exynos
See the S4, the S600 have more support that Exynos Octa...
We dont know which is more powerful yet, this is the new octa core, not the old one
Wait for benchmarks from the new one to see
Joey22688 said:
We dont know which is more powerful yet, this is the new octa core, not the old one
Wait for benchmarks from the new one to see
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lol, benchmarks...
I won't see bench, because they don't have a lot of sense.
Snap800 will be supportated because devs know the architecture and they always have the source code...
Isn't the same for the Exynos...
It's like S3 for the Cyano
So, ATM, Snap > Exynos
Guich said:
lol, benchmarks...
I won't see bench, because they don't have a lot of sense.
Snap800 will be supportated because devs know the architecture and they always have the source code...
Isn't the same for the Exynos...
It's like S3 for the Cyano
So, ATM, Snap > Exynos
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Samsung released the kernel source for the Exynos version a few days ago (sammobile.com/2013/09/20/samsung-releases-kernel-source-for-galaxy-note-10-1-2014-edition). I'm not very familiar with all the lingo, so please enlighten me: Is this not (all) the source code that devs need to do their thing?
Can someone explain why someone buys an expensive note 10.1 only to install cyanogenmod and lose all the exclusive features? (Spen, multiwindow, ir blaster, and some other things)
Just buy a nexus 10 or wait for the new one if you are going to do that
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Samsung released the kernel source for the Exynos version a few days ago (sammobile.com/2013/09/20/samsung-releases-kernel-source-for-galaxy-note-10-1-2014-edition). I'm not very familiar with all the lingo, so please enlighten me: Is this not (all) the source code that devs need to do their thing?
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The big problem there isn't the source code, this was an older problem, but the structure of the partition and the core.
If a dev will build a kernel, the source are here.
But, trust me, snap have a source code more easy, it's quadcore, and we know all about this.
Joey22688 said:
Can someone explain why someone buys an expensive note 10.1 only to install cyanogenmod and lose all the exclusive features? (Spen, multiwindow, ir blaster, and some other things)
Just buy a nexus 10 or wait for the new one if you are going to do that
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No sense.
There isn't any sense...
In fact, i will buy it only for the feature of the tab, not for the Cyano rom
Maybe, someone, will work on a tweaked rom Touchwiz based.
I haven't looked into the files etc. in the ROMs, but from looking at the physical hardware specifications they are VERY similar in terms of processor, GPU, RAM, internal storage etc. The question I have is whether they should be very easy to port from one device to the other? Are the drivers for the sAMOLED massively different from the LCD in the Tab Pro?
I may have a go flashing one of the Tab S 10.5 ROMs on to my Tab Pro 10.1 and see what happens...
Does anyone know if there is anything obvious which would prevent it from working? Other than the model ID checks obviously...
NJ72 said:
I haven't looked into the files etc. in the ROMs, but from looking at the physical hardware specifications they are VERY similar in terms of processor, GPU, RAM, internal storage etc. The question I have is whether they should be very easy to port from one device to the other? Are the drivers for the sAMOLED massively different from the LCD in the Tab Pro?
I may have a go flashing one of the Tab S 10.5 ROMs on to my Tab Pro 10.1 and see what happens...
Does anyone know if there is anything obvious which would prevent it from working? Other than the model ID checks obviously...
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I wouldn't try flashing a ROM for a different device on your Tab Pro, you could get yourself into a lot of trouble and you could end up with a Bricked tablet!!!!!
^^^
NJ72 said:
looking at the physical hardware specifications they are VERY similar in terms of processor, GPU, RAM, internal storage etc.
Does anyone know if there is anything obvious which would prevent it from working?
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???? Look again. The Pro uses a Snapdragon 800 SoC from Qualcomm, the S an Exynos SoC from Samsung.
BTW, there is a sticky in this forum indicating that questions belong in the Q&A/Troubleshooting section, not here. The mods will move it shortly.
Apologies for putting in the wrong section.
that aside, the tab pro 10.1 comes with the exynos chipset here in the UK. The 5420 to be precise, the exact same chipset that the tab s comes with. The only differences between the tab pro 10.1 and the tab s 10.5 is the SAMOLED and the S-pen compatible touch matrix.
I know there are variants of the tab pro with snapdragon chipsets, but the 10.1 is exynos.
FYI
Having had a bit of a mess around with some of the ROMs for the SM-T800 (Galaxy Tab S Exynos) I managed to get some pleasing results. Some elements don't work, mainly the keyboard and WiFi at the moment (presumably they use different wireless chipsets). Managed to fix the Wifi but still working on some other bits and pieces.
May contact a ROM dev who works on the Tab S and see if I can produce a port of one of their ROMs. Mainly interested to see if I can port over a Lollipop ROM but thought starting with a 4.4.2 one was a good shout.
In the most light-hearted of ways - SHUN THE NON-BELIEVER!
If everything works as planned i'll set up a ROM port in the general development section of the forum. :good:
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Having had a bit of a mess around with some of the ROMs for the SM-T800 (Galaxy Tab S Exynos) I managed to get some pleasing results. Some elements don't work, mainly the keyboard and WiFi at the moment (presumably they use different wireless chipsets). Managed to fix the Wifi but still working on some other bits and pieces.
May contact a ROM dev who works on the Tab S and see if I can produce a port of one of their ROMs. Mainly interested to see if I can port over a Lollipop ROM but thought starting with a 4.4.2 one was a good shout.
In the most light-hearted of ways - SHUN THE NON-BELIEVER!
If everything works as planned i'll set up a ROM port in the general development section of the forum. :good:
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Kudos to you. I have a 10.1 pro and the chipset is Exynos (I'm in UK). Interested in the port which is likely to be successful. I'm also interested in rooting it whilst keeping Knox 0x0.
Thanks
shayind4 said:
Kudos to you. I have a 10.1 pro and the chipset is Exynos (I'm in UK). Interested in the port which is likely to be successful. I'm also interested in rooting it whilst keeping Knox 0x0.
Thanks
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Will keep ars***g about as it is still uber buggy and I don't have permission from creators to distribute yet but will keep you posted.
Currently using the new 'flat UI' which looks and performs great.:highfive:
NJ72 said:
Will keep ars***g about as it is still uber buggy and I don't have permission from creators to distribute yet but will keep you posted.
Currently using the new 'flat UI' which looks and performs great.:highfive:
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Hi
Any progress with the port?
THanks
How's this looking?? Exciting to see Stock LP work , love to see this available for SMARY T320!! Great job people :
NJ72 said:
I haven't looked into the files etc. in the ROMs, but from looking at the physical hardware specifications they are VERY similar in terms of processor, GPU, RAM, internal storage etc. The question I have is whether they should be very easy to port from one device to the other? Are the drivers for the sAMOLED massively different from the LCD in the Tab Pro?
I may have a go flashing one of the Tab S 10.5 ROMs on to my Tab Pro 10.1 and see what happens...
Does anyone know if there is anything obvious which would prevent it from working? Other than the model ID checks obviously...
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Any luck here?? Looking at all the hardware and software I believe the files are identical and only differentials are ram, processor, display.
LG G3 VS985 SkyDragon LP
If I've helped you please hit the thanks!! ? ?
Apologies people, not made much headway recently as work has been manic (I'm a 25 year old IT account manager so free time is a rarity!)
I am still awaiting a response as to whether I can kang some bits from other ROMs as well so will do some chasing and see where we can get
I have been running my mash-up for a little while and there's still lots to fix before it becomes useable...
I'm glad people are interested in this, though
One thing to one of the posters, this is just a 'flat UI' style ROM based on 4.4.2/4.4.4 so is NOT a full LP ROM - that may change, but I haven't played with kernels enough yet to try and lob LP on it properly.
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Keep trying your best. We are waiting. Do let us know if we can help.
Shayind4
NJ72 said:
Apologies people, not made much headway recently as work has been manic (I'm a 25 year old IT account manager so free time is a rarity!)
I am still awaiting a response as to whether I can kang some bits from other ROMs as well so will do some chasing and see where we can get
I have been running my mash-up for a little while and there's still lots to fix before it becomes useable...
I'm glad people are interested in this, though
One thing to one of the posters, this is just a 'flat UI' style ROM based on 4.4.2/4.4.4 so is NOT a full LP ROM - that may change, but I haven't played with kernels enough yet to try and lob LP on it properly.
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Willing to so what I can. Love to see some LP action on the Tab Pro line. Especially the SM T320
guys, i was looking for a new device and came to note 4, but isee there 2 versions Snapdragon and Exynos
these benchmarks are old and since we are like nearly a year further since release in my country witch should i get of the 2
most ppl voted for the Exynos ver on this forum but i dont go read like 200+ posts,
what i want to do wit hthe device
gaming,
watching anime 10bit h264 / h265 mkv/flac
custom firmware something like archidroid witch i used on s3
help me out abit , the on paper reviews dont say everything its more about true phone power, stability, laggless, ofc speed to
as far as ive seen reviews , snapdragon is best in gpu depending stuff while Exynos does the multi process/task stuff but those revies are from 2014 dunno if anything has changed with the firmwares and so
Either one is okay. Depends on your carrier I would assume.
carries is kpn, but they are simlock free , kpn 4g with speed of 225Mbit for data, but that wasnt my question , i wanted to know witch is beter for feature , Snapdragon or Exynos both have cons and ups
snapdragon
more energy save
faster gpu
cons
slower load time eventhough it is 2.7ghz quad core
Exynos
faster multitask
faster loading aps
cons
faster battery drain
slower gpu
so i want ot make the right choice
Be careful my bro got the s6 with exynos, we rooted it and went looking for new roms but only found 2 and there isn't likely to be more because of the exynos
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This is the Sprint forum. Only one choice.
i have no clue i see 3 versions and i just picked a forum
Wesley_NL said:
i have no clue i see 3 versions and i just picked a forum
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Sprint only offers the snapdragon version.
I would try the main Note 4 forum.
Cjam180 said:
Be careful my bro got the s6 with exynos, we rooted it and went looking for new roms but only found 2 and there isn't likely to be more because of the exynos
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i see, thx for the warning but s6 is difrent from note right ?, the s6 is problematic bcus the edge ?
from what i have readed most ppl on xda voted for exynos on the poll yet no customs , i realy liked the customs like archidroid, it was fast , smooth, easy to use and install/setup and i was hoping there is one for the note 4 to but for me its a kind of difficult choice , so snapdragon has more custom roms faster gpu but its slower in performance and not 64bit ready, and the exynos is faster , slower gpu and less custom roms
the note4 is a difficult choice for me atm it seems
DreamingWolf said:
Sprint only offers the snapdragon version.
I would try the main Note 4 forum.
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it was not directed at this version only, im from eu and i dont know what version i will get so im asking users how and what so i dont take the wrong turn, the version here probaly would be an internantional version like the s3 i had and i dont know what version the note 4 will be that i get, also have no clue how to spot what version is in box
While I am no expert on the difference between domestic and international phones for the US, from what I understand you will want to stick with exynos. The snapdragons are specific to the networks in the US. Will and do they work internationally? Yes. However, I believe you will run into issues with data with snapdragon phones internationally. I may be wrong on this so anyone can feel free to correct me but from what I understand, a note 4 with exynos will be better suited to the carriers internationally.
This is a US carrier section so many of us are not up on this info since we fairly rarely run into this. The general section for the note 4 will have more of an international following I believe.
Wesley_NL said:
it was not directed at this version only, im from eu and i dont know what version i will get so im asking users how and what so i dont take the wrong turn, the version here probaly would be an internantional version like the s3 i had and i dont know what version the note 4 will be that i get, also have no clue how to spot what version is in box
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I understand it wasn't directed at this varient alone. But you won't get many responses to a request for comparisons when almost no one has an exynos here. That's why I provided a link to the forums where there are many people from both sides available to ask.
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I understand it wasn't directed at this varient alone. But you won't get many responses to a request for comparisons when almost no one has an exynos here. That's why I provided a link to the forums where there are many people from both sides available to ask.
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are you sure? cuz the poll says otherwise, more ppl voted for exynos so i thought alot used it
Wesley_NL said:
are you sure? cuz the poll says otherwise, more ppl voted for exynos so i thought alot used it
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If they do, it isn't through Sprint.
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Wesley_NL said:
guys, i was looking for a new device and came to note 4, but isee there 2 versions Snapdragon and Exynos
these benchmarks are old and since we are like nearly a year further since release in my country witch should i get of the 2
most ppl voted for the Exynos ver on this forum but i dont go read like 200+ posts,
what i want to do wit hthe device
gaming,
watching anime 10bit h264 / h265 mkv/flac
custom firmware something like archidroid witch i used on s3
help me out abit , the on paper reviews dont say everything its more about true phone power, stability, laggless, ofc speed to
as far as ive seen reviews , snapdragon is best in gpu depending stuff while Exynos does the multi process/task stuff but those revies are from 2014 dunno if anything has changed with the firmwares and so
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i know i am partial to the snapdragon versions in all cases, the snapdragons include the available hardware for the fm radios, and even if the fm radio app is not included, u can use nextradio or even the spirit fm radio app from here at xda... and the snapdragons have always been easier to root/unlock booloader, etc., if u ask me... and the snapdragons just seem cooler to me, in a vibe sort of way...
Hello,
I'm new to cyanogen/lineage, and I become interested because so far the only experience I got with android is a phone that wasn't updated even once by the company (bq) and a tablet that will get stuck on 6.0 (motorola).
Therefore my main concern is to have updates for as long as possible.
I can see that many devices I'm interested in don't list any maintainer:
wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ (can't post links)
Does this mean that those phones won't get any new lineage version?
Is there a way to know if a phone will be abandoned sooner than others?
Is it better to buy well known device than a more rare brand?
Is it better to buy a high end phone used than a basic model new?
Any recommendations? I need a pretty simple thing, 4G is a must and dual SIM would be a nice feature. I'm not that interested in power screen resolution or camera.
Thanks a lot for your answers.
I have seen devices getting removed due to inactive maintainers. So hard to say any time.
I use a Moto Z. It's getting it's first build soon [emoji2]
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I want add another question to the thread. What will happen with 32 bit processors.
As far as I know, android 7 cannot be installed in any 32 bit processor. Will be the same with lineage? The equivalent version only will be compatible with 64 bit processors?
asimov-solensan said:
As far as I know, android 7 cannot be installed in any 32 bit processor. Will be the same with lineage? The equivalent version only will be compatible with 64 bit processors?
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What? Nougat works fine on 32 bit.
axxx007xxxz said:
What? Nougat works fine on 32 bit.
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I was sure that I read it somewhere, but it may be that this was comment from a particular brand.
If there is no limitation in this regard I feel more comfortable buying a used device with an older processor.
Why have the S20 Forums been combined into one useless mess?
I guess so that you could complain ?. I'm not getting what your issue is I guess
It's much better now than having to browse all forums one by one
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It's much better now than having to browse all forums one by one
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Except the cameras are different. When people talk about the camera, you don't always know which model they're talking about. And as far as I can tell, the Ultra camera reviews thread is just gone.
I much prefer it as most news/mods etc are generic across the three models. If not then just add it to the thread title.
Only thing I wish was that the old sites redirected you as its taken me two days to realise ?
Personally I think there is too much variation in the models for it to make sense having one forum.
3 Different Models - with TOTALLY DIFFERENT CAMERA SYSTEMS, different accessories, different specs..
Further subdivided by the Snapdragon / Exynos division.. you effectively have 6 distinct software environments / hardware setups.. all merged into one mess.
Utterly stupid
jojos38 said:
It's much better now than having to browse all forums one by one
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Why are you browsing all of them? - Do you own all 3 devices?
Seems like we've switched to a system that's geared towards backseat browsers, while owners have to sift through 66% more ****e for no good reason.
At the minimum, they should have edited all the existing thread titles to be preceded with "S20U", "S20+", "S20" based on the forum they came from, so at least we know which model that topic was originated about. Going forward, if it's a model specific topic, like cameras or battery life, people need to start tagging them as such.
dajaco said:
Personally I think there is too much variation in the models for it to make sense having one forum.
3 Different Models - with TOTALLY DIFFERENT CAMERA SYSTEMS, different accessories, different specs..
Further subdivided by the Snapdragon / Exynos division.. you effectively have 6 distinct software environments / hardware setups.. all merged into one mess.
Utterly stupid
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Agreed. At minimum there should be separate forums for Snapdragon and Exynos, simply for the fact that Exynos (1) is rootable and (2) has its own share of issues.
I, personally, prefer it that way, as most tweaks, settings, circumstances are for all three models, as they are the same base. People (me as well) were posting these issues on all three forums to reach everybody.
Where my s20 ultra picture quality topic ? :crying:
What we can do now to get it back ?
truonglam said:
Where my s20 ultra picture quality topic ? :crying:
What we can do now to get it back ?
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Does anywhere know of good S20 Ultra only forums elsewhere?
I prefer to like it is now, easier to catch everything.
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Where my s20 ultra picture quality topic ? :crying:
What we can do now to get it back ?
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Your camera questions are still in this forum section:https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...cus-issues-t4061919/post82056967#post82056967.
I proposed the merge. I want to remind you all that:
First, not only current owner but also potential buyers would try to find information on XDA forums. Merging 3 forums into 1 make it easier for everyone to find information, especially for potential buyers who have yet to determine which model to buy.
Second, "XDA-Developers" is a development/hacking/mod-centric forum. It is actually harmful to development/mod/guide efforts to have 3 forums for the same model (development- wise), each with reduced userbase. As you can see, I posted a "HOW-TO Root S20 series" guide recently. I may not have done so if a. posting to one forum but userbase is too small to get me motivated, b. posting to all three forums but i will get exhausted by maintaining three identical threads. Merging three forums into one gives additional motivation to developers and actively encourages developers to support all three model instead of only the one they own.
Preliminary researches suggest that the ROM and Kernel sources are shared between these 3 models. No additional development effort will be needed for different models which use the same processor (apart from changing model names, toggle model switch in kernel configuration).
With mostly same software and hardware, reviews/problems/guides/QAs are kinda shared. Merging into one makes it easier for people to find information and threads can have much wider audience/engagement.
Development-wise, there are only two variants there:
S20 Series (Exynos) and S20 Series (Snapdragon)
dajaco said:
Personally I think there is too much variation in the models for it to make sense having one forum.
3 Different Models - with TOTALLY DIFFERENT CAMERA SYSTEMS, different accessories, different specs..
Further subdivided by the Snapdragon / Exynos division.. you effectively have 6 distinct software environments / hardware setups.. all merged into one mess.
Utterly stupid
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First, please be civilized and refrain from using profanity. The decision was made for a reason.
Second, there is actually not much variation there.
Yes, camera system is different for the Ultra but the benefits of a merged forum significantly outweighs the slight inconvenience of a "[S20U]" thread attribute or some slightly less useful information getting into your eye.
Accessories, regardless of their sizes (S20, S20+, S20U), were usually made with the same manufacturing. So if someone says, "The quality of my S20 LED case by Samsung is super poor", your S20 Ultra LED case may be affected too.
Specs. There is nothing different actually. You may say display, but S20, S20+ and S20U use the same model of display panel, specifically S6E3HAB. Size is the only difference. You may say RAM, but models have 4G and 5G variants and they use 8G and 12G respectively.
sublimaze said:
Agreed. At minimum there should be separate forums for Snapdragon and Exynos, simply for the fact that Exynos (1) is rootable and (2) has its own share of issues.
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Snapdragon is different from Exynos. That's true. But apart from processor, everything is the same. We now have two different development forums, one for Exynos, one for Snapdragon.
Snapdragon doesn't automatically make your device un-rootable. The problem is the two greedy big carriers in U.S., namely Verizon and ATT, not Snapdragon. All Greater Chinese, Korean (and maybe
Japanese) models are unlockable.
jesec said:
I proposed the merge. I want to remind you all that:
First, not only current owner but also potential buyers would try to find information on XDA forums. Merging 3 forums into 1 make it easier for everyone to find information, especially for potential buyers who have yet to determine which model to buy.
Second, "XDA-Developers" is a development/hacking/mod-centric forum. It is actually harmful to development/mod/guide efforts to have 3 forums for the same model (development- wise), each with reduced userbase. As you can see, I posted a "HOW-TO Root S20 series" guide recently. I may not have done so if a. posting to one forum but userbase is too small to get me motivated, b. posting to all three forums but i will get exhausted by maintaining three identical threads. Merging three forums into one gives additional motivation to developers and actively encourages developers to support all three model instead of only the one they own.
Preliminary researches suggest that the ROM and Kernel sources are shared between these 3 models. No additional development effort will be needed for different models which use the same processor (apart from changing model names, toggle model switch in kernel configuration).
With mostly same software and hardware, reviews/problems/guides/QAs are kinda shared. Merging into one makes it easier for people to find information and threads can have much wider audience/engagement.
Development-wise, there are only two variants there:
S20 Series (Exynos) and S20 Series (Snapdragon)
First, please be civilized and refrain from using profanity. The decision was made for a reason.
Second, there is actually not much variation there.
Yes, camera system is different for the Ultra but the benefits of a merged forum significantly outweighs the slight inconvenience of a "[S20U]" thread attribute or some slightly less useful information getting into your eye.
Accessories, regardless of their sizes (S20, S20+, S20U), were usually made with the same manufacturing. So if someone says, "The quality of my S20 LED case by Samsung is super poor", your S20 Ultra LED case may be affected too.
Specs. There is nothing different actually. You may say display, but S20, S20+ and S20U use the same model of display panel, specifically S6E3HAB. Size is the only difference. You may say RAM, but models have 4G and 5G variants and they use 8G and 12G respectively.
Snapdragon is different from Exynos. That's true. But apart from processor, everything is the same. We now have two different development forums, one for Exynos, one for Snapdragon.
Snapdragon doesn't automatically make your device un-rootable. The problem is the two greedy big carriers in U.S., namely Verizon and ATT, not Snapdragon. All Greater Chinese, Korean (and maybe
Japanese) models are unlockable.
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"But apart from processor everything is the same" - not true at all, different regions often have different camera suppliers (sony or samsung ususally), there is also evidence that the image signal processor is different between Snapdragon and Exynos Variants (resulting in significant image processing differences, not to mention different camera hardware!, and different base software due to the processor, region and carrier variations). The one thing these forums had above and beyond most forums - is a history of solving developer problems, group problem solving /raising issues. When the waters have been muddied this much by combining 6 significant variants all in one place, all the problems already divided by region, software version etc. have been needlessly muddled at the cost of problem solving/highlighting efficiency.
What has been gained? - well perhaps 'browsing convenience' - Which should be more important in a forum with 'developers' in the title; browsing convenience, or problem solving precision?
Why cant we make it so you can view either by device or as a family of devices.. why cant we do both? -- it seems to be a growing trend in the space that phones have lots of variants.. why choose precision of information OR viewing convenience.. - just make it possible to view the same topics with filters for either preference.. then nothing is lost.
So little has been gained for so much lost.
dajaco said:
"But apart from processor everything is the same" - not true at all, different regions often have different camera suppliers (sony or samsung ususally), there is also evidence that the image signal processor is different between Snapdragon and Exynos Variants (resulting in significant image processing differences, not to mention different camera hardware!, and different base software due to the processor, region and carrier variations). The one thing these forums had above and beyond most forums - is a history of solving developer problems, group problem solving /raising issues. When the waters have been muddied this much by combining 6 significant variants all in one place, all the problems already divided by region, software version etc. have been needlessly muddled at the cost of problem solving/highlighting efficiency.
What has been gained? - well perhaps 'browsing convenience' - Which should be more important in a forum with 'developers' in the title; browsing convenience, or problems solving precision?
So little has been gained for so much lost.
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There are also Antennae differences between regions - some having MMwave antennae and some not.. Check out ISP / Camera differences noticed here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHxRH8aYnUU
And this is purely Snapdragon vs Exynos camera differences.. before you factor in completely different hardware of the ultra camera...
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Why are you browsing all of them? - Do you own all 3 devices?
Seems like we've switched to a system that's geared towards backseat browsers, while owners have to sift through 66% more ****e for no good reason.
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Because even tho the specs are slightly different 80% of the thread on the forums works on all devices
Would it not be possible to make multi-device variant phone like this have forums that can be viewed either collectively or by device - can't there a link to each view type - or simple filter system?
It's better this way. Thread closed.