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Hi everybody!
Little question appeared in my head- have anybody heard of replacement of CPU in the g2 or other htc models? Is ot possible?
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well, i understand that.
but maybe somebody from xda tryed this?
Never heard of it actually attempted but the question has been posed before.
Are you asking about replacing it with the same SOC that came with the G2 or a different one?
KCRic said:
Never heard of it actually attempted but the question has been posed before.
Are you asking about replacing it with the same SOC that came with the G2 or a different one?
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i think a different one, as an idea of maximizing productivity
Afaik, it hasn't been attempted before. The problem is it's not like the socket-based cpu's in pc's. These are system on chip, meaning everything is on them; cpu, gpu, everything, as far as I understand it. In a pc, as you know, these are separate parts that can be readily changed. Plus, no one really knows if the other hardware would be compatible. Then after all that, you need to get the software to work. It's a hell of a job.
heybobitsme said:
Afaik, it hasn't been attempted before. The problem is it's not like the socket-based cpu's in pc's. These are system on chip, meaning everything is on them; cpu, gpu, everything, as far as I understand it. In a pc, as you know, these are separate parts that can be readily changed. Plus, no one really knows if the other hardware would be compatible. Then after all that, you need to get the software to work. It's a hell of a job.
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But man would it be cool. True pain in the ass for sure
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Spastic909 said:
But man would it be cool. True pain in the ass for sure
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It would be defenetely cool
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Well I think it would theoretically be possible to change the CPU if they are pin compatible, which happens often with CPUs from a same series.
BUT
Where would you buy a cpu? what do you think it would cost?
and how would you assemble it on the mainboard, those modern IC's have very small pins/balls underneath it, which you can't just solder!
I was thinking after reading this yesterday and posting. Since we would be dealing with a SOC the baseband radio would be integrated into it - which means *if* this could be accomplished, it would give us the freedom to literally use a phone on any carrier we wanted will full data access speeds i.e. use the G2 on AT&T '4G'.
Obviously the 'easiest' method would be to use the SOC out of a Desire Z since everything would be the same except for the radio - thus eliminating software issues. Now all we need is a way to deal with the extreme micro scale of all the pins and such.
Now to switch out to say, a Tegra 2 - I doubt the pins match and that goes for any dual core. To go to something like an 8xXX series (are those dual or single?), now that might be possible but as far as single cores go the G2 has IMO the best out there. Sure there are some slightly upgraded 7xXX series processors out there but nothing worth the headache this would bring.
KCRic said:
I was thinking after reading this yesterday and posting. Since we would be dealing with a SOC the baseband radio would be integrated into it - which means *if* this could be accomplished, it would give us the freedom to literally use a phone on any carrier we wanted will full data access speeds i.e. use the G2 on AT&T '4G'.
Obviously the 'easiest' method would be to use the SOC out of a Desire Z since everything would be the same except for the radio - thus eliminating software issues. Now all we need is a way to deal with the extreme micro scale of all the pins and such.
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Its absolutely identical in every way. The radio amplifiers are NOT in the SOC, so this would NOT change the frequency. In addition, wouldn't it be easier to just swap phones than to rip them both apart to trade identical components first?
Now to switch out to say, a Tegra 2 - I doubt the pins match and that goes for any dual core. To go to something like an 8xXX series (are those dual or single?), now that might be possible but as far as single cores go the G2 has IMO the best out there. Sure there are some slightly upgraded 7xXX series processors out there but nothing worth the headache this would bring.
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The 8xxx series is identical. In fact, the 7230 ***IS AN*** 8255, its just **DOWNCLOCKED**. They changed the model id number ONLY.
An 8260 would DEFINITELY NOT be pin compatible, so the limit is 8255, which is pointless.
Well I agree it would be easier to just switch phones, albeit cheaper I was just answering his hypothetical question.
I always figured being a SOC the radio would be itegrated into that, guess that remote purpose for switching out the SOC is out the window.
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As for doing it you would need a micro balling and reflowing station
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Hi,
I plan to buy XL instead of HOX. (I am in Singapore, Singtel offers HOX and XL)
i have 2 questions:
1. Can I apply all the modifications intended for HOX to XL?
2. If no, I dont see any forum for XL, Do you recommend to get HOX instead?
I think XL has LTE, so the ROMs of HOX will not fit and probably rooting is not the same because the XL is in this forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1538
The AT&T One X forum is for the phone internationally known as the One XL. The One XL has different hardware and radios, so none of the stuff made for the One X will be compatible.
It was pretty stupid of AT&T (and HTC) to call the AT&T version One X. AT&T One X is clearly a OneXL variant (they are not identical). HTC One X (the global one) is completely different hardware.
So there are 3 phones, 2 very similar (dualcores, AT&T and One XL) and 1 completely diff (quad-core tegra3).
One XL vs AT&T One X(L).
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4614&idPhone2=4572
As per your original question, if modifications are very important to you, do first look in "AT&T One X/OneXL" forum and see how the rom scene looks over there. From rom development standpoint, international OneX is better bet but personal opinion, One XL is better phone (sadly not available here in Norway).
asestar said:
It was pretty stupid of AT&T (and HTC) to call the AT&T version One X. AT&T One X is clearly a OneXL variant (they are not identical).
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One XL released much later, but I agree
There were rumours about XL but I didn't think it would come that fast and would had wait for it.
And its the same story with other phones, like Galaxy S3. AT&T version is a dual-core qualcomm s4 based instead of a quadcore. What the hell is wrong with this carrier?
A few years ago htc/samsung renamed their phones for usa, with different look/exterior but same hardware (desire/droid incredible, hero/eris, sensation/amaze/vivid, galaxy s/vibrant/fascinate etc).
And now they go out of their way to have different hardware that looks identical with exact same name..
Thanks.
I guess I better choose HOX over XL.
4G is new in this area,
and development of XL pretty slow and boring, i think.
I posted same question in AT&T forum, till now nobody reply and give the difference.
I found many active roms developer here.
Roms are lovelier here, and more to choose from.
I read more problems, than fixes and good news over there.
no i dont think so,
both have different specs..
btw is it out yet the XL in singapore?how much did it cost?
I have few clarifications to help me decide if a certain rom (or rooting instruction) is applicable to my phone.
(because I dont know if HOX from ATT is applicable to XL from Singtel.)
Lets say I want to do rooting or install custom rom;
What are the BASIC criteria in order for me to say that this rom (or rooting instruction) is applicable to my phone and it wont brick it (if it may brick it)?
What should I check first?
. cpu type? (dual core, quad core?, S4, tegra? where can I find this specs in my phone)
. Firmware version? (1.72, 1.85, 1.?? How do I check again)
. radio??
AFAIK radio is different between ATT and XL (international),
but is ROM still applicable on both even if radio is different?
What the hell/difference of Rogers HTC one X by the way?
I appreciate the response.
General consensus from reviews on the web say XL or Snapdragon One X are faster than Tegra One Xs and are better at battery life.
Community of the S4 seems growing every day I am sure it will have plenty of development, already it has most of the same tweaks as with Tegra ones.
I also was undecided as both work on my country. However, I decided for the Tegra one due to:
1. Easier bootloader unlocking vs AT&T One X
2. Cheaper than imported Rogers/Telus unlocked One X
3. Tegra Zone games: I am not a gamer but I am enjoying the quality of Tegra games
4. Resale value: yes in my country most people will prefer a QuadCore 32 MB than a Dual Core 16 MB phone . They dont know the story behind it unless they are geeks so resale value will hold over time vs SGS3.
asestar said:
And its the same story with other phones, like Galaxy S3. AT&T version is a dual-core qualcomm s4 based instead of a quadcore. What the hell is wrong with this carrier?
A few years ago htc/samsung renamed their phones for usa, with different look/exterior but same hardware (desire/droid incredible, hero/eris, sensation/amaze/vivid, galaxy s/vibrant/fascinate etc).
And now they go out of their way to have different hardware that looks identical with exact same name..
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AT&T (and every other LTE carrier) has to use dual core s4 versions of CPU because quad core exynos and tegra3 dont support LTE.
They are now using different hardware with exact same names probably to avoid customer confusion and having 10 variants of the same phone.
Furma said:
AT&T (and every other LTE carrier) has to use dual core s4 versions of CPU because quad core exynos and tegra3 dont support LTE.
They are now using different hardware with exact same names probably to avoid customer confusion and having 10 variants of the same phone.
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Excellent point, and yes I believe you are right. However I doubt having 2 different hardwares with same name is any less confusing.
Furma said:
AT&T (and every other LTE carrier) has to use dual core s4 versions of CPU because quad core exynos and tegra3 dont support LTE.
They are now using different hardware with exact same names probably to avoid customer confusion and having 10 variants of the same phone.
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This is true to an extent. I believe tegra does support lte but it requires a separate modem whereas with the s4 the LTE modem is part of the SoC already.
Tbh I would prefer the s4 chip as it rapes the tegra in most benchmarks and battery is better. Htc and nvidia are full of crap, the companion core and all the other "battery saving" tweaks htc implemented (like completely breaking multitasking) are pointless as they just try to make up for the fact htc short changed us with the size of the battery in the HOX. The battery life still sucks.. They should have just put a bigger battery in in the first place a la galaxy s3.. /rant
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Hi everyone,
I have an I9305 S3 and I see that the Sprint S3 community is a lot more "alive" than the i9305's.
Will it be harmful for my I9305 to flash one of the Sprint's custom roms?
Thanks ahead.
If you want a paperweight sure.
But in all seriousness, no do not only flash roms for your phone/carrier.
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cbass15 said:
If you want a paperweight sure.
But in all seriousness, no do not only flash roms for your phone/carrier.
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may i ask why?
same specs, same phone... whats so different?
Spitniv said:
may i ask why?
same specs, same phone... whats so different?
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international S3 has a Quad core processor as we have a 1.5 Dual core
SGSIIIJB said:
international S3 has a Quad core processor as we have a 1.5 Dual core
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Thanks man.
SGSIIIJB said:
international S3 has a Quad core processor as we have a 1.5 Dual core
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That really has nothing to do with it, thats only a hardware difference and wouldnt lead to a brick
Spitniv said:
may i ask why?
same specs, same phone... whats so different?
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The reason is that the misc partition of the international version is in the same location as the boot partition of the Sprint version....so when you flash an international rom on a Sprint phone then you you're deleting the bootloader and its game over
As for the other way around, theres another partition that lines up with a different one between the two (cant remember which it is right now) but most of the partitions are essential for just having your phone boot, so when you override it with info that should NOT be in that partition (because it should be in another) you get a brick
No actually he is right different things will flash in different partitions making it completely useless. The kernel in the wrong area, the bootloader in another. The device will be unable to locate the appropriate programming to do anything. Thus a paperweight.
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SGSIIIJB said:
My response was 100% DEAD ON BALLS ACCURATE different specs; check:good:; my status still in check :good: lol post count or join date does not show status/experience
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But your response was incorrect with the question. Quad core and dual core have nothing to do with the reason why you can't flash international roms and vis versa.
If the partition's were the same then it wouldn't matter.
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guys, i was looking for a new device and came to note 4, but isee there 2 versions Snapdragon and Exynos
these benchmarks are old and since we are like nearly a year further since release in my country witch should i get of the 2
most ppl voted for the Exynos ver on this forum but i dont go read like 200+ posts,
what i want to do wit hthe device
gaming,
watching anime 10bit h264 / h265 mkv/flac
custom firmware something like archidroid witch i used on s3
help me out abit , the on paper reviews dont say everything its more about true phone power, stability, laggless, ofc speed to
as far as ive seen reviews , snapdragon is best in gpu depending stuff while Exynos does the multi process/task stuff but those revies are from 2014 dunno if anything has changed with the firmwares and so
Either one is okay. Depends on your carrier I would assume.
carries is kpn, but they are simlock free , kpn 4g with speed of 225Mbit for data, but that wasnt my question , i wanted to know witch is beter for feature , Snapdragon or Exynos both have cons and ups
snapdragon
more energy save
faster gpu
cons
slower load time eventhough it is 2.7ghz quad core
Exynos
faster multitask
faster loading aps
cons
faster battery drain
slower gpu
so i want ot make the right choice
Be careful my bro got the s6 with exynos, we rooted it and went looking for new roms but only found 2 and there isn't likely to be more because of the exynos
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This is the Sprint forum. Only one choice.
i have no clue i see 3 versions and i just picked a forum
Wesley_NL said:
i have no clue i see 3 versions and i just picked a forum
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Sprint only offers the snapdragon version.
I would try the main Note 4 forum.
Cjam180 said:
Be careful my bro got the s6 with exynos, we rooted it and went looking for new roms but only found 2 and there isn't likely to be more because of the exynos
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i see, thx for the warning but s6 is difrent from note right ?, the s6 is problematic bcus the edge ?
from what i have readed most ppl on xda voted for exynos on the poll yet no customs , i realy liked the customs like archidroid, it was fast , smooth, easy to use and install/setup and i was hoping there is one for the note 4 to but for me its a kind of difficult choice , so snapdragon has more custom roms faster gpu but its slower in performance and not 64bit ready, and the exynos is faster , slower gpu and less custom roms
the note4 is a difficult choice for me atm it seems
DreamingWolf said:
Sprint only offers the snapdragon version.
I would try the main Note 4 forum.
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it was not directed at this version only, im from eu and i dont know what version i will get so im asking users how and what so i dont take the wrong turn, the version here probaly would be an internantional version like the s3 i had and i dont know what version the note 4 will be that i get, also have no clue how to spot what version is in box
While I am no expert on the difference between domestic and international phones for the US, from what I understand you will want to stick with exynos. The snapdragons are specific to the networks in the US. Will and do they work internationally? Yes. However, I believe you will run into issues with data with snapdragon phones internationally. I may be wrong on this so anyone can feel free to correct me but from what I understand, a note 4 with exynos will be better suited to the carriers internationally.
This is a US carrier section so many of us are not up on this info since we fairly rarely run into this. The general section for the note 4 will have more of an international following I believe.
Wesley_NL said:
it was not directed at this version only, im from eu and i dont know what version i will get so im asking users how and what so i dont take the wrong turn, the version here probaly would be an internantional version like the s3 i had and i dont know what version the note 4 will be that i get, also have no clue how to spot what version is in box
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I understand it wasn't directed at this varient alone. But you won't get many responses to a request for comparisons when almost no one has an exynos here. That's why I provided a link to the forums where there are many people from both sides available to ask.
DreamingWolf said:
I understand it wasn't directed at this varient alone. But you won't get many responses to a request for comparisons when almost no one has an exynos here. That's why I provided a link to the forums where there are many people from both sides available to ask.
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are you sure? cuz the poll says otherwise, more ppl voted for exynos so i thought alot used it
Wesley_NL said:
are you sure? cuz the poll says otherwise, more ppl voted for exynos so i thought alot used it
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If they do, it isn't through Sprint.
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Wesley_NL said:
guys, i was looking for a new device and came to note 4, but isee there 2 versions Snapdragon and Exynos
these benchmarks are old and since we are like nearly a year further since release in my country witch should i get of the 2
most ppl voted for the Exynos ver on this forum but i dont go read like 200+ posts,
what i want to do wit hthe device
gaming,
watching anime 10bit h264 / h265 mkv/flac
custom firmware something like archidroid witch i used on s3
help me out abit , the on paper reviews dont say everything its more about true phone power, stability, laggless, ofc speed to
as far as ive seen reviews , snapdragon is best in gpu depending stuff while Exynos does the multi process/task stuff but those revies are from 2014 dunno if anything has changed with the firmwares and so
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i know i am partial to the snapdragon versions in all cases, the snapdragons include the available hardware for the fm radios, and even if the fm radio app is not included, u can use nextradio or even the spirit fm radio app from here at xda... and the snapdragons have always been easier to root/unlock booloader, etc., if u ask me... and the snapdragons just seem cooler to me, in a vibe sort of way...
is there going to be a seperate thread fr the 2 gb variant of this device and will the roms that r gonna be made fr 4 gb variant will be ported to 2 gb variant too?
Dont worry. Why do you think they wont make a rom for 2gb version?
GeneralPag said:
Dont worry. Why do you think they wont make a rom for 2gb version?
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dude i just got this device a weak ago and i m in love with it...since i found no seperate section for 2 gb variant and people have been talking about mostly 4 gb version..it made me wonder if development was gonna happen fr this device too..?
They are the same device. We dont need separate thread. It doesnt matter what CPU it has or how much RAM is in it. They are all ZE551ML model.
GeneralPag said:
They are the same device. We dont need separate thread. It doesnt matter what CPU it has or how much RAM is in it. They are all ZE551ML model.
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before buying this i was told by many people and it was written at many forums that only the flagships evices with snapdragon chipset are biggest recipient of all the development, and devs usually dont like compiliing roms on intel based cpu devices.hence zenfone 2 might never recience any cynogen or aosp based roms ..is it ture?...i rooted my previous xperia deivce and installed a couple of roms and kernels so i have a fair idea of how this all works but i m still kinda noob to all this...
Cm12 rom is being build right now and someone is making a kernel. Remeber other phones cant run win7 or 8 so smooth.
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Cm12 rom is being build right now and someone is making a kernel. Remeber other phones cant run win7 or 8 so smooth.
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Or at all...
Thanks guys ...its just that last time i had desire x dual sim device and there was no rom fr that..i didnt saw many threads regarding any development in process ft 2 gb variant ..so i was just curious ....
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Or at all...
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R u sure that cyanogen rom is in seveloomeny fr 2 gb version too..is there any website i cn confirm from
Bootloader
GeneralPag said:
They are the same device. We dont need separate thread. It doesnt matter what CPU it has or how much RAM is in it. They are all ZE551ML model.
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The ZE551ML has an unlocked bootloader, ours does not. I'm starting to lose hope in this phone.
Which one do you have?
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Which one do you have?
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I think he is talking about the 2 gb ram version.m not aware..of bootloader status but its just that most of discussion here is bein done about 4 gb ram version..so i just have feeling that we might not get any rom ported fr 2gb version..i am not a dev myself..so i have a humble request to all devs to port roms made fr 4gb version on 2 gb version as well thank you..the present stock rom has severe memory leak problem..
Well there are 2 versions of 4gb version. 1,8Ghz and 2,3ghz cpu. I dont think there would be such a problem to do a bit of code to make it work on 2gb of ram.
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Well there are 2 versions of 4gb version. 1,8Ghz and 2,3ghz cpu. I dont think there would be such a problem to do a bit of code to make it work on 2gb of ram.
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glad that you are thinking positive. hope we 2gb users get the same treatment and support as 4gb users!
Siddk007 said:
glad that you are thinking positive. hope we 2gb users get the same treatment and support as 4gb users!
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As a 2gb ZE551ML owner, I can assure you that we don't have anything to worry about us being supported. Same for the ZE550ML and ZE500CL especially, it may seem all the focus is on the highest spec models but we're all Zenfone 2 owners in the end.
This is how all new non-nexus devices have to start out until we can reach that adequate balance between models. Remember the saying, "Be together, not the same."
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The ZE551ML exists in 3 configuration ...
2gb/1.8GHz
4gb/1.8GHz (mine)
4gb/2.3GHz
which are basically all the same phone! Kernels, ROMS and recoveries run on all the same!
The ZE550ML has also an unlocked bootloader (don't know about 550CL ... why made asus so damn many versions?!? )
And even the 550ML/CL are nearly the same. So nobody has to worry about not getting anything. When the Kernels etc are stable enough, somebody will port them to the other devices.
The people porting CM12.1 to our device are working pretty hard as far as i can tell (multiple commits a day on github).
What i really want to say with this is ... give it some time. The phone is pretty new and we have devs that are working on it :good:
XneofuX said:
The ZE551ML exists in 3 configuration ...
2gb/1.8GHz
4gb/1.8GHz (mine)
4gb/2.3GHz
which are basically all the same phone! Kernels, ROMS and recoveries run on all the same!
The ZE550ML has also an unlocked bootloader (don't know about 550CL ... why made asus so damn many versions?!? )
And even the 550ML/CL are nearly the same. So nobody has to worry about not getting anything. When the Kernels etc are stable enough, somebody will port them to the other devices.
The people porting CM12.1 to our device are working pretty hard as far as i can tell (multiple commits a day on github).
What i really want to say with this is ... give it some time. The phone is pretty new and we have devs that are working on it :good:
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ur reply gave me some hope...when I got this device I was worried that since it uses intel cpu its not gonna have many roms or kernel built fr it...but seeing the devs working so hard and community so active ..its only a matter of time
I am a 2gb base model owner and I can test to receiving all the same updates as the high end model. We are all treated as equals when it comes to updates and updates have been very frequent and this is extremely impressive when compared to the other smart phone manufacturers.
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