Market question? - AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4

Market question? - AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4

We hear alot of reports of how awesome iphones are doing on the market but we have not heard anything regarding the note 4 series. In fact there had been very little publication on this device. The question is, who leading the way, copy cats or originals?

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Some more update hype

Here is some more update hype just like the earlier hype that caused a lot of concern among WP7 users. Hype or misreporting? Nevertheless, it is reports like this that are causing a lot of anxious people to be annoyed with MS, myself included. This is a quote from Daily Tech. A link to the full story is also provided:
"Second, like Android, Microsoft is pursuing an aggressive update schedule, which should help it. It plans to deliver a pair of major updates this spring, which will bring customers copy/paste and multi-tasking. These updates will "catch it up" with its competitors, so to speak. This is definitely a positive for Microsoft, and should greatly help the platform's image."
Gadgets The Good, The Bad: Windows Phone 7 Moved 2 Million Units in Q4 2010

Sorry but without an official statement to the fact, why would anyone take this seriously? Without cold, hard facts this is just another rumour, and no one in their right mind would take this as MS's official stance. Anyone who believes everything they read on the internet, more fool them and if you have to go searching to find this info it puts it into even more doubt.

Do you spend your time hunting for WP7 defamatory information just so you can troll the forums? I mean if you hate it so bad stop wishing for android for it which wont happen and buy an android device. Enjoy the lag.

Misreporting.
People are taking the same news and statements and trying to read into it, then report it as news.

z33dev33l said:
Do you spend your time hunting for WP7 defamatory information just so you can troll the forums? I mean if you hate it so bad stop wishing for android for it which wont happen and buy an android device. Enjoy the lag.
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I'd appreciate you getting a clue and stop harassing me over stuff I AM NOT doing. According to my websites abut online harassment and abuse, I give you this warning: Do not say another word to me.

MartyLK said:
I'd appreciate you getting a clue and stop harassing me over stuff I AM NOT doing. According to my websites abut online harassment and abuse, I give you this warning: Do not say another word to me.
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And messages posted to any open venue, such as a newsgroup, a web-based board, an AOL discussion forum or a chat room, are seldom truly harassing unless they're forged to appear to come from you or contain direct threats or libelous statements.
I did not state in any way that you were in fact committing this act nor did I threaten you in any way. Please do not throw interpretations around in place of the law to avoid answering. If you so choose not to respond to my inquiry that is your right and I respect that but do not act as though it is going to turn into a threat of legal action because that's just, well, depressing.

MartyLK said:
I'd appreciate you getting a clue and stop harassing me over stuff I AM NOT doing. According to my websites abut online harassment and abuse, I give you this warning: Do not say another word to me.
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Laugh. Out. Loud.
You shouldn't post on forums if you can't handle a little flak here and there. Its not like he's threatening you physically or mentally, and he's not spreading libel. Don't hide behind a threat like that. It looks petty at best.

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Laugh. Out. Loud.
You shouldn't post on forums if you can't handle a little flak here and there. Its not like he's threatening you physically or mentally, and he's not spreading libel. Don't hide behind a threat like that. It looks petty at best.
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Same goes for you. You had no useful intention for saying what you said. If you only want to spread discontent and harm, I warn you: Do not say another word to me.

The Daily Tech story has been updated with a response from MS:
"Update: Thur. 1/27/2011 2:50 p.m. -
We reached out to our Microsoft press contact for more information concerning some news networks' negative depiction of this sales data and update on the phantom data issue. While the spokesperson did not provide us with answers to our specific questions, as requested, they did offer us a general statement.
They emphasized the following metrics:
• Early research indicates 93% of customers worldwide are satisfied with Windows Phone 7, and 90% would recommend to others.
• Developer engagement is excellent with customers getting access to an average of 100 new apps a day and more than 6,500 apps overall on Marketplace.
• Over 2MM licenses sold to OEMs worldwide.
And they add, "Sales are an important measure of success, but for a new platform customer satisfaction and active developer investment can be even more important leading indicators of long-term success.These early signs of satisfaction from customers and developers are reason to be bullish about the foundation for long-term success for Windows Phone 7."
We will again, try to provide an update as soon as Microsoft offers more specifics on the data usage issues that are afflicting some WP7 users."
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nova hands said:
Laugh. Out. Loud.
You shouldn't post on forums if you can't handle a little flak here and there. Its not like he's threatening you physically or mentally, and he's not spreading libel. Don't hide behind a threat like that. It looks petty at best.
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Eh, I remember when I was a kid we didn't threaten legal action without foundation... or at all... all these new laws paired with kids who don't get outside much have lead to a much weaker generation as a whole. I'm glad I grew up in an era where even the teens and adults arent saying "I'm going to tell on you." for absolutely no reason...

Equally some of you have a basic problem understanding many customers are dissatisfied with WP7. And this "90% consumer satisfaction" is as true as worthless crap. I mean these general surveys are nothing.
By the way, do some of you work for MS? You behave like the multibillion giant needs your defence? Give me me a break.

doministry said:
Equally some of you have a basic problem understanding many customers are dissatisfied with WP7. And this "90% consumer satisfaction" is as true as worthless crap. I mean these general surveys are nothing.
By the way, do some of you work for MS? You behave like the multibillion giant needs your defence? Give me me a break.
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That's the idea I get. I know I and a number of people I know aren't satisfied with WP7. I do recognize, though, that I and a lot of people liked WP7 up front and believe MS might be taking that into account rather than the continued use of WP7. It's when people have used the OS for a while when they become unsatisfied.
Lets keeps things on topic, please.

MartyLK said:
That's the idea I get. I know I and a number of people I know aren't satisfied with WP7. I do recognize, though, that I and a lot of people liked WP7 up front and believe MS might be taking that into account rather than the continued use of WP7. It's when people have used the OS for a while when they become unsatisfied.
Lets keeps things on topic, please.
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I do find the figure of 93% being extremely high, but not completely unreasonable. Just looking at my own friends and relatives, whom are mostly average consumers - that is, they come to me for advise on things technical - none have so far come back and given me crap about the piece of **** phone I convinced them to buy, and let me tell you, they would have given me grief about it if they weren't satisfied. I still remember the HDDVD vs BluRay war, where I was clearly on the losing side.
It's still a hard one though, because as you say it's after using the OS for some time you really get the feeling for those little niggly things that are really wrong about it, and due to a huge shortage of devices locally (for weeks after launch) many of the people I know haven't had them for more than perhaps a month to six weeks so far. I dunno though, I picked up a HD7 at launch, didn't like it, got a Omnia 7 which I returned as it only had 8GB storage and no SD slot and finally a 16GB Omnia 7 - point is, I've used the OS since launch (and sort of before by use of the emulator and dev devices) in some capacity or another and really I think it took less than a week for me to realise everything that was wrong with it. To the best of my recollection nothing has cropped up in the weeks or months since, that I hadn't already noticed and accepted.
Now, as an old WM user do I find the OS to be lacking in certain aspects? Sure I do, but what they've delivered they've generally delivered really well. It's given me what no WM or Android phone could - an experience that just works, just like the iPhone (and had the iPhone been available on different hardware I may still have been an iPhone user). Of course I am looking forward to the day we can utilize the camera API on WP7, or the day we can integrate the users contacts into our apps. Likewise I'm looking forward to certain bugs being fixed and promised features to become available, but if I was asked if I liked the platform as is I would have to say yes, Yes I do.
If you feel the lack of functionality is so bad, you're simply chosen the wrong OS and you would probably be much better off using Android or WM (which I personally preferred out of the two). You're never going to get a product that fits everyone in every way possible - apart from perhaps in North Korea where you really don't have a choice

emigrating said:
I do find the figure of 93% being extremely high, but not completely unreasonable. Just looking at my own friends and relatives, whom are mostly average consumers - that is, they come to me for advise on things technical - none have so far come back and given me crap about the piece of **** phone I convinced them to buy, and let me tell you, they would have given me grief about it if they weren't satisfied. I still remember the HDDVD vs BluRay war, where I was clearly on the losing side.
It's still a hard one though, because as you say it's after using the OS for some time you really get the feeling for those little niggly things that are really wrong about it, and due to a huge shortage of devices locally (for weeks after launch) many of the people I know haven't had them for more than perhaps a month to six weeks so far. I dunno though, I picked up a HD7 at launch, didn't like it, got a Omnia 7 which I returned as it only had 8GB storage and no SD slot and finally a 16GB Omnia 7 - point is, I've used the OS since launch (and sort of before by use of the emulator and dev devices) in some capacity or another and really I think it took less than a week for me to realise everything that was wrong with it. To the best of my recollection nothing has cropped up in the weeks or months since, that I hadn't already noticed and accepted.
Now, as an old WM user do I find the OS to be lacking in certain aspects? Sure I do, but what they've delivered they've generally delivered really well. It's given me what no WM or Android phone could - an experience that just works, just like the iPhone (and had the iPhone been available on different hardware I may still have been an iPhone user). Of course I am looking forward to the day we can utilize the camera API on WP7, or the day we can integrate the users contacts into our apps. Likewise I'm looking forward to certain bugs being fixed and promised features to become available, but if I was asked if I liked the platform as is I would have to say yes, Yes I do.
If you feel the lack of functionality is so bad, you're simply chosen the wrong OS and you would probably be much better off using Android or WM (which I personally preferred out of the two). You're never going to get a product that fits everyone in every way possible - apart from perhaps in North Korea where you really don't have a choice
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LOL...I've had that experience myself with things I recommended. Then I go running for cover. Ewww...just remembered the $400 I talked my brother into spending on the Palm Treo 680...the unlocked one - not carrier supported. We both bought one when they first came out and turned out to be the worst pile of doo we ever threw money at. I will never live that down. When the iPhone came out, not too long after the Treo 680, I was praising it to my brother but didn't dare recommend it...lol.
I have praised WP7 to him. He has yet to know how I currently feel about it, though. I still like the OS as a skeleton. One which has potential. But I certainly hope MS won't "kin" us all.

Honestly, I think if you are on this phone. You have "higher" expectations for the platform than average users would. In the tech community satisfaction may be mediocre, but with the everyday community. People love this platform.

MartyLK said:
That's the idea I get. I know I and a number of people I know aren't satisfied with WP7. I do recognize, though, that I and a lot of people liked WP7 up front and believe MS might be taking that into account rather than the continued use of WP7. It's when people have used the OS for a while when they become unsatisfied.
Lets keeps things on topic, please.
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Dude, you were all for WP7 until you were against it. What gives?
You chose to be a beta tester, you did, no one forced you to give money away.
Yeah it sucks that the update isn't here yet but it was YOU who chose to believe the hype and rumors that it was coming in January.
When it comes down to it, WP7 as is is a complete smartphone OS.
Unfortunaely for MS, there are other OSes out there that have more features have grown accustomed to having, some of these features were even on their previous OS.
Let me tell you something though, you like the features on the other OSes so much? Why the hell didn't you buy a phone with one of those OSes instead of making threads that make you sound like countless other self-entitled brats in the world today?
Damn, learn a little patience and maybe, just maybe, you'll be rewarded for it. Or don't, a be viewed as a brat, your choice!

Well it's an informative thread, so I will not delete it.
But as only generates flames, I'm closing.

Point to this forum?

With so many haters and detractors crawling out of the woodwork to bash WP7 at any sign of a positive post, is there really a point to this forum? All it does is give the naysayers a place to congregate and spread their bias (as if there wasnt enough of that already) and the mods reluctance to do anything doesnt help but if only the individual device forums existed it would be much harder for them to mount organised attacks. Time to kill this forum?

I voted no. I believe this "General" forum serves a vital role to WP7. The hate is everywhere and closing this forum would only give the haters what they want. Just like the philosophy of a church, if "sinners" come for malicious purposes, the "Word" will transform them...lol
Let the haters come. We will transform into lovers through patience and kindness.

I voted 'Yes'. Criticism is good, without criticism how do you want any product to improve? The problem is criticism isn't accepted here, if you raise any issue you're automatically an android troll or an iSheep. Anything Apple and Google do well is labelled as **** and Skydrive is like a universal medicine to every illness in the world. Sure there are indeed a couple of WP7 haters around but most people who criticise it aren't and they're still being accused of started flame wars.
The issue with this forum is people who can't admit this OS has fault, i.e. almost everyone.

I clicked no.
Because sometime, you want to discuss something related to Windows Phones , not only one device. You have no where suitable to post, except this forum.
Also, this forum keep me quite up-to-date with all Windows Phones news and tricks.
Haters are everywhere, you can't avoid them, but you need mod to take care of them.

I voted no because there are few other places on XDA to discuss WP7. BTW, I enjoy heathy and constructuve debate, but far too often a thread is opened only to be flooded with WP7 is crap posts that are neither helpful nor constructive criticism.

No
I voted No.
This forum is far more active for me than the HD7 forum. Yes it gets annoying when people start trolling, which is a different level to general complaints about the OS. At the end of the day they are us idiots of the other end of cyber-space. Mythical creatures not to be taken seriously.
For example, Peew971 has many valid complaints about the OS, but I do not class him (you) as a troll at all.
Life does not revolve around consumer products and shouldnt be taken so seriously, but for some reason people get so worked up about it. I wonder how many people on WP7 complained about their previous OS, hence why they adopted WP7.
I personally joined XDA with my arrival of the HD2. I loved it. Those were the golden years, but I found myself flashing WInMo ROMs too often. Then I had the dual-booted WinMo/Andriod. Then got bored and finally flashed with Gingerbread, completely removing WinMo. I found Gingerbread to be a disappointing downgrade to the Desire HD ROM I had...however, did I care...nope...because I was days away from getting rid of the phone and playing with the HD7.

I voted "No" as well.
Where else would I get a good laugh from jealous Android and iOS fanboys? Because we all know they secretly wish for live tiles, zune and the people hub but they just won't admit it!!
And just in case anyone was wondering... yes, that was sarcasm

Peew971 said:
I voted 'Yes'. Criticism is good, without criticism how do you want any product to improve? The problem is criticism isn't accepted here, if you raise any issue you're automatically an android troll or an iSheep. Anything Apple and Google do well is labelled as **** and Skydrive is like a universal medicine to every illness in the world. Sure there are indeed a couple of WP7 haters around but most people who criticise it aren't and they're still being accused of started flame wars.
The issue with this forum is people who can't admit this OS has fault, i.e. almost everyone.
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There's a huge difference between criticism and the BS posted by the core haters here. The missing features are always highlighted while the unique things WP7 does are downplayed and brushed aside. Plus continuously calling the OS beta, crap and deliberately ignoring real problems that have affected its growth like poor marketing and biased sales reps and instead just concentrating on the numbers alone dont encourage discussion. Its always how WP7 is behind, android does this, blah, blah, blah but the parts that WP7 owners enjoy like the design, smoothness, speed, Xbox, Office, deep linking, double sided tiles, Zune player and other features are dismissed. WP7 is the only OS that is being held up to be perfect from its release and its been a constant bash-fest ever since its release.

Voted no. We need good moderating. The thing is we just don't get pure WP discussions. In nearly every thread Android and iOS are beeing mentioned so everytime it's more like WP7 vs Android/iOS. I just want a pure WP forum without those dumb comparisons and to get rid of those people who cannot accept that there are people who like WP especially those who don't own a WP device and throwing things into threads like "android is the best" whatever. I really cannot stand those people.

You're absolutely right about the mods refusing to do a damn thing. eric, while completely insane and overly fanboyish, did have valid points in pointing out that people in this section are complete dickheads. I got a forum warning thing for calling another member out on his bull****, yet the mod repeatedly allowed him to go at other users, in that thread and others, I'm assuming just because he was spreading negative information. This section has become an area that I love, but hate to come here just because I know every thread, even ones titled "Come in here and say what you love about WP7" will ultimately have some idiot come in and say "nothing, Android is superior to the Polish crowd"

Peew971 said:
I voted 'Yes'. Criticism is good, without criticism how do you want any product to improve? The problem is criticism isn't accepted here, if you raise any issue you're automatically an android troll or an iSheep. Anything Apple and Google do well is labelled as **** and Skydrive is like a universal medicine to every illness in the world. Sure there are indeed a couple of WP7 haters around but most people who criticise it aren't and they're still being accused of started flame wars.
The issue with this forum is people who can't admit this OS has fault, i.e. almost everyone.
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This seems to be the impression I get. I was, or should say still am, debating the move. I want to see what the people say, good and bad, but at times the feedback / comments seem more polarizing than the Android banter. I get it's still growing, and with a limited user base (which naturally results in the bigger fans being more vocal) you are going to have the more swinging opinions being voiced. I'm still trying to understand all this constructive criticism I am seeing (issues I, and would think many, would find fault in) being dismissed for some silly reasons. I hear simple **** being brushed off for the sake of a liquid bm-style UI experience.
There appears to be a few glaring issues, and more than a few minor niggles, that are dismissed on the account of said poster not finding a need for this. Maybe it's the number of users to posters here, but I've seen some more legitimate critiquing and discussion within the Android camp. And that's saying something, considering Android users seem to be the fastest to sling the "****."
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The Verge - LoS Post

Not sure if any of you guys have heard of The Verge yet, but its the new tech blog type of venture Joshua Topolksy (the Engadget guy). I like it but we will see if they become Apple fanboys over there too. I started a thread regarding LoS just to get the issue out there. Here is the link! Blow this sheeeeit up!
http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/1/2530362/sgsii-epic-4g-touch-loss-of-service

Ya know, it bugs me that every little issue with the new iPhone is plastered all over every tech blog on earth and yet our phone gets nothing mentioned about the major issues it has for some people. Hope something comes of this.
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poppygt said:
Ya know, it bugs me that every little issue with the new iPhone is plastered all over every tech blog on earth and yet our phone gets nothing mentioned about the major issues it has for some people. Hope something comes of this.
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Haha I agree!

ripalsanghani said:
Not sure if any of you guys have heard of The Verge yet, but its the new tech blog type of venture Joshua Topolksy (the Engadget guy). I like it but we will see if they become Apple fanboys over there too.
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Lol the The Verge/This is My Next was started by the exodus of the Apple fanboys from Engadget.
Engadget's coverage of Android got significantly more even-handed after they left.

If you ask me, the only people who think Topolosky and crew are Apple fanboys are Android fanboys. Joshua's daily phone is the Nexus S which he's been very happy with, plus he had some fantastic coverage of ICS. (and was very impressed with ICS)
Ya know, it bugs me that every little issue with the new iPhone is plastered all over every tech blog on earth and yet our phone gets nothing mentioned about the major issues it has for some people. Hope something comes of this.
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First the Android fanboys get mad because Engadget posted an article about how the Evo 4G had a capped frame-rate. (remember that EVO owners?? I sure do) They said, "how come Engadget only posts negative stuff about Android and not about the iPhone??" Never minding the fact that "Antenna Gate" got loads of coverage. Now you're complaining about them not covering the LOS issue?
Oh well, nothing to do but laugh I guess.

eagle63 said:
If you ask me, the only people who think Topolosky and crew are Apple fanboys are Android fanboys. Joshua's daily phone is the Nexus S which he's been very happy with, plus he had some fantastic coverage of ICS. (and was very impressed with ICS)
First the Android fanboys get mad because Engadget posted an article about how the Evo 4G had a capped frame-rate. (remember that EVO owners?? I sure do) They said, "how come Engadget only posts negative stuff about Android and not about the iPhone??" Never minding the fact that "Antenna Gate" got loads of coverage. Now you're complaining about them not covering the LOS issue?
Oh well, nothing to do but laugh I guess.
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Yes I'm complaining. The iPhones issues will be addressed much faster because the average person can read about them anywhere and that puts pressure on Apple to fix a device that "just works". Our issues are listed here and on Sprint forums so the rest of the world doesn't know that Samsung and Sprint drag their feet with important updates. There's no pressure on these companies except from people they've already taken money from. Apple has to uphold an image and it will. Samsung and Sprint just have to keep blaming each other and putting off what they surely can fix.
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eagle63 said:
If you ask me, the only people who think Topolosky and crew are Apple fanboys are Android fanboys. Joshua's daily phone is the Nexus S which he's been very happy with, plus he had some fantastic coverage of ICS. (and was very impressed with ICS)
First the Android fanboys get mad because Engadget posted an article about how the Evo 4G had a capped frame-rate. (remember that EVO owners?? I sure do) They said, "how come Engadget only posts negative stuff about Android and not about the iPhone??" Never minding the fact that "Antenna Gate" got loads of coverage. Now you're complaining about them not covering the LOS issue?
Oh well, nothing to do but laugh I guess.
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I wasnt complaining! I just posted to help it get more attention. And i like the Verge its a pretty sick site. I also follow engadget religiously. Even the forum threads look like actual blog posts haha
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No worries guys, didn't mean my post to come across so snippy. And I agree that it would be great to get some coverage of this issue (though I personally haven't had it yet.. knock on wood). I also completely agree with poppygt that Samsung/Sprint will just blame each other until someone puts some heat on them.
I love Android, but getting support for anything more than the most basic of functions is the one thing that is really frustrating. When you find a bug, there's almost nothing you can do except post about it on the internet. The problem is that there are 3 throats to choke: the carrier, the manufacturer, and Google. None of them is really setup to do much. Both the carrier and the manufacturer just want to get you off the phone as quickly as possible. Their only way to really help you is to replace your phone, which is usually pointless when dealing with a bug. I guess Google kinda/sorta has a support site where you can file bugs, but it's not exactly easy to find and it's hard to know if anyone ever looks at them, let alone fix them.

eagle63 said:
No worries guys, didn't mean my post to come across so snippy. And I agree that it would be great to get some coverage of this issue (though I personally haven't had it yet.. knock on wood). I also completely agree with poppygt that Samsung/Sprint will just blame each other until someone puts some heat on them.
I love Android, but getting support for anything more than the most basic of functions is the one thing that is really frustrating. When you find a bug, there's almost nothing you can do except post about it on the internet. The problem is that there are 3 throats to choke: the carrier, the manufacturer, and Google. None of them is really setup to do much. Both the carrier and the manufacturer just want to get you off the phone as quickly as possible. Their only way to really help you is to replace your phone, which is usually pointless when dealing with a bug. I guess Google kinda/sorta has a support site where you can file bugs, but it's not exactly easy to find and it's hard to know if anyone ever looks at them, let alone fix them.
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+1
If everything was vertical within Google/Android like Apple is, it would be a lot less of a headache for us. Funny thing is, the sales for Android still don't really suffer even with bugs on the manufacturing side of things. It has the "bad ass" factor, haha. Majority of users (not us XDA folks) don't even realize the bugs, they will think its their phone and like you said just get a new one so that in itself prevents issues from getting more attention because everyday consumers don't really think of it as a bug but the phone itself.
Anyways, I love android. The end. haha.

I feel bad for this phone....really bad

I hate posting needless threads....and Hate reading them as well, but I have to get this off my chest. Since two months before the release of this phone the number of anticipation threads on EVERY forum I frequent was overwhelming...but I respect that. I love tech and love people who love it.
Since the actual release I have developed a huge amount of disgust for the people who obtain these phones and who help along the thought that a device like the iPhone is a superior device. I am completely blown away by the level of baseless expectation for a PHONE.
Android has always been a "techie" OS, the hardware was forever changing between manufacturers and the people who used them, understood that. I dont know if its due to the flooding of new users, that have not joined XDA to LEARN anything, or if people just dont realize what exactly they have in their hand, but the slamming that Androids own users give only enforces iPhone users beliefs that they have the superior device and help in the decision for new users to go elsewhere for a GOOD phone.
What phone were you using... three years ago? Even the fondest memories of your first android experience cannot compete with the devices we have to choose from now. Lag is a part of Android....we dont experience anything like the first round of android phones. Current devices have come leaps and bounds from where they were, lag now is split second compared to 10-15 we used to get. Once again though, that was something we didnt care about because of EVERY OTHER ADVANTAGE these devices offered. These are all things that set us apart from the users of Blackberries and iphones.
The lack of appreciation for the devices that have come so far puts us right with iPhone fanbois who started whining the second they had a antenna issue.....I am always up for a good debate on hardware...superior phones are great.....the continuous slamming of some of the worlds greatest technology on the other hand....is pathetic. You have never held in your hand two years ago tech that compares with what you have today. To me....this is what I love about Android, most of all its what I RESPECT about it. This is XDA DEVELOPERS....the Devs here put in their time to do things to these devices that cant be done on any other phones....in the end... for you. All I can read is a hundred posts warning Devs not to even get this phone....
Maybe I am way off....I dont know, Maybe what I thought about Android users having such a love for tech and a individualized experience is what made Android the no brainer choice. It has just really became painfully obvious to me that people can now tear up phones with 720p displays talking about image quality, dual core phones with unacceptable lag, and a expectation of performance that no other device they have owned, WAS BETTER than, You may think it was....but it wasn't. What you expect is something you may never see.
the Nexus has always been a Devs device, maybe some shame on Google for making this phone seem like the next iPhone...but its not an iPhone. If bugs and experimental tweaks are not for you...then you got the wrong device, Return it and get a different phone....its OK, nobody who loves this phone is going to be hurt. Android is not for everyone, having said that... it doesnt make Android not as good as the alternatives and the hardware is still stellar whether you agree or not.
To the Nexus....your alright in my book

I'm in love with this phone. Nuff said. My first Android phone was the G1 so I can appreciate good technology.
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I like android
between my HTC Incredible S and my GN I had a iPhone 4s for 12 days
1st 3 days was nice, and then the shine vanished rapidly as I hit its limitations.
after 10 days I wanted to smash it
but on day 12 I managed to swap for GN I have now, much much better
I like having a phone OS that will go "ok, we'll do it your way then"
Not "this is the only way I can do this!"

I think they call what you have, jealousy. Just thinking out loud ha
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I have this to say to everyone who whines that the phone they just got has some flaw that most rational people see as minor: Cry me a
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Has anyone seen John Connor?

This is my Nexus. There are many others like it, but this one is mine. My Nexus is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my Nexus is useless. Without my Nexus, I am useless. I must use my Nexus true. I must use it better than my enemy(Iphone), who is trying to destroy me. I must destroy him before he destroys me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my Nexus and myself are defenders of everything good in this world, we are the masters of our enemy, we are the saviors of AOSP. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen.

Most people post flaws not to complain but to make sure their new expensive toy isn't defective outside normal expectations. I think they look for comfort in knowing its normal and it isn't hurting anything. They need to hear, from the experts, our opinions on it. Will it get fixed or should they second guess things?
Some take it too far and cry outrage for attention (mountain out of an anthill).
The world takes all kinds. The Galaxy Nexus is pretty good though. Considering what problems other phones have to deal with.
-Galaxy Nexus
-Asus Transformer

Android is great. The Nexus is great. Being great means being popular. Being popular means dealing with whiners and morons. The iPhone is great in its way and has people that whine about it all day long.
I agree with what you're saying, but in the end it just doesn't bother me anymore. Let the whiners whine. That's what they do best
For better or worse, Android isn't a small, cult culture anymore. Probably for the better... you just have to deal with more idiots now.

tylerdurdin said:
I hate posting needless threads....and Hate reading them as well, but I have to get this off my chest. Since two months before the release of this phone the number of anticipation threads on EVERY forum I frequent was overwhelming...but I respect that. I love tech and love people who love it.
Since the actual release I have developed a huge amount of disgust for the people who obtain these phones and who help along the thought that a device like the iPhone is a superior device. I am completely blown away by the level of baseless expectation for a PHONE.
Android has always been a "techie" OS, the hardware was forever changing between manufacturers and the people who used them, understood that. I dont know if its due to the flooding of new users, that have not joined XDA to LEARN anything, or if people just dont realize what exactly they have in their hand, but the slamming that Androids own users give only enforces iPhone users beliefs that they have the superior device and help in the decision for new users to go elsewhere for a GOOD phone.
What phone were you using... three years ago? Even the fondest memories of your first android experience cannot compete with the devices we have to choose from now. Lag is a part of Android....we dont experience anything like the first round of android phones. Current devices have come leaps and bounds from where they were, lag now is split second compared to 10-15 we used to get. Once again though, that was something we didnt care about because of EVERY OTHER ADVANTAGE these devices offered. These are all things that set us apart from the users of Blackberries and iphones.
The lack of appreciation for the devices that have come so far puts us right with iPhone fanbois who started whining the second they had a antenna issue.....I am always up for a good debate on hardware...superior phones are great.....the continuous slamming of some of the worlds greatest technology on the other hand....is pathetic. You have never held in your hand two years ago tech that compares with what you have today. To me....this is what I love about Android, most of all its what I RESPECT about it. This is XDA DEVELOPERS....the Devs here put in their time to do things to these devices that cant be done on any other phones....in the end... for you. All I can read is a hundred posts warning Devs not to even get this phone....
Maybe I am way off....I dont know, Maybe what I thought about Android users having such a love for tech and a individualized experience is what made Android the no brainer choice. It has just really became painfully obvious to me that people can now tear up phones with 720p displays talking about image quality, dual core phones with unacceptable lag, and a expectation of performance that no other device they have owned, WAS BETTER than, You may think it was....but it wasn't. What you expect is something you may never see.
the Nexus has always been a Devs device, maybe some shame on Google for making this phone seem like the next iPhone...but its not an iPhone. If bugs and experimental tweaks are not for you...then you got the wrong device, Return it and get a different phone....its OK, nobody who loves this phone is going to be hurt. Android is not for everyone, having said that... it doesnt make Android not as good as the alternatives and the hardware is still stellar whether you agree or not.
To the Nexus....your alright in my book
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Enough said. Great thread in my opinion. This device is great OTB and will grow with more software upgrades and Developers ROMs in the future.

I bought this phone expecting issues so far none except for the usual new os issues do you want the greatest and latest then expect minor issues as far as I am concerned vzw should not have released this phone without a warning this is not a droid device this phone is special and be prepared for issues. It is the best phone I have ever owned.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

Everyone complains about new phones, just weather the storm and you'll be rewarded. My brother just got the phone and he loves it.
Btw development on this phone will be insane. The ns4g has pretty good development and it isn't even that popular.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA App

OP. You expect too much from xda. Now that this phone is prime time on Verizon, the amount of nexus owners that know what xda is are a margin of error in the user base numbers. It will endlessly be compared to other off the shelf devices, and rightly so. That's just the way it is, and probably the way it should be. If google had to depend on xda and devs to sell this device they would have to hang it up.
I love the phone. And I also am willing to admit its faults, Android's faults, and wait for the inevitable improvements. Google looked second rate trying to launch this phone compared to an iPhone launch, that's an indisputable fact. I have this device because I don't want an iPhone. I have it because I believe in Android as a platform. I have it because it truly is fantastic device OUT OF THE BOX. I have zero plans to root, unlock the bootloader or flash ROMs.
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i work with iphones day in day out..........and if you want a phone they great...........if you want something to enjoy............then you will be bored within days.
look at where the iphone started and where it is now.......pretty much the exact same product, a little more polished, a little quicker but in essence the same..........and the next generation i phone? same old same old with some little gimmick to promote sales.....in what is it 5 years? the iphone exploded on the scene but has then simply grown old....from one generation to the next they are grossly similar......pick any of the recent generation android phones put it in one hand then put the most recent iphone in the other..................
and then ask yourself.............why would anyone buy an iphone?
well if you want to be dictated to, if you want zero control over your phone if you want a 'bland' life then choose the iphone.
If you want entertainment, fun, expansion and freedom...........choose android.
would i take an iphone? yes if someone gave it to me
would i buy an iphone? never
oh and windows phones? i have worked with them.......well i have tried to work with them..........worst case was 100% charge to dead in 57 minutes would i take one of them for free? no chance

I feel bad for the noobs getting this phone. And some of the android vets. And... Apple. I feel really good about this phone. My gripes with this phone are no sd slot and updates cant come fast enough. Thank you devs, though my head is spinning trying to figure out what to flash first. Lol.
Crazy world, ay?

So people shouldn't complain about legitimate issues they are having with their expensive new phone so you can have an easier time arguing with iPhone fans in immature flame wars? What a stupid post. This site is not about you or people like you who want to brag and argue about whose phone is best.

KneeDragr said:
So people shouldn't complain about legitimate issues they are having with their expensive new phone so you can have an easier time arguing with iPhone fans in immature flame wars? What a stupid post. This site is not about you or people like you who want to brag and argue about whose phone is best.
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1. iPhone fans generally don't come here.
2. The only flaming in this thread so far has come from you.
3. The OP was never directed at people who have legitimate problems with their phones and post here looking for help. It was always about those who have already posted numerous threads whining about things nobody can do anything about, such as "I HATE the Pentile display!" (take it back and get a Rezound then instead of posting whinefest threads that clutter this forum and help no one).
4. The OP was also not trying to instigate a flame war over which phone is best. There's nothing wrong with posting one's personal preference here. The problem comes when someone makes a personal attack, like, say, "What a stupid post. This site is not about you or people like you..."
Has anyone seen John Connor?

I don't remember Tyler Durden being this soft, having to get "something off his chest" lol.
j/k
I don't feel bad for this phone....I think the engineers and developers wish they had done some things a little different. Overall I think its still a great product.
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all i have to say is we're all a bunch of suckers who love phones too much.
seriously... a forum... for phones?...
lol...

The phone is fine. There are some issues, but they all have issues at first. Calm, rational trouble shooting easily fixes issues that are software related. Some have hardware issues etc. Nothing too damning, squeaky wheel.
What i DO see on the net is stupid people that got the phone expecting it to make their vapid life more fulfilling, only to realize it is just a phone. The phone is not borked, the dog**** applications you jammed it full with are. Take a breath a realize this is a new OS release, so your old system utilities may not function properly, and may in fact make your device function poorly.
Go back to teh iphonez.

Something very strange going on here

I can't be the only one who's noticed that there's a bunch of people on this forum, who for whatever reason seem to be on some kind of campaign. These people are insisting that Note 7 owners must power them off and return them and they take every opportunity to say that the phone is a huge danger and that no only must all handsets be returned, but that the networks and Samsung must block the devices. It goes far beyond the occasional post and the odd comment. It's repeated, vitriolic, aggressive, confrontational and dogmatic.
Fine upstanding citizens these people may be and perhaps they are so motivated to ensure the safety of their fellow humans. But I seriously doubt that. I doubt most of them surely don't care a damn about the safety of other phone users. So what's driving this campaign of vitriol? Why are these people not simply making their point and moving on? Is it because they have surrendered their devices and don't like others still enjoying their Note 7's? is it because they are somehow feeling inadequate and feel the need to demonstrate their superiority?
I can't remember circumstances before where so many self-rightous, sanctimonious vigilantes have sprung up who seem hell bent on TELLING others what they must do.
I'd like to say to all of them, what people do with their own Note 7's is a matter entirely for them, their supplier and their mobile operator. That's it. Beyond that, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

For those with eyes. IRIS = SIRI, reverse engineering.
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On a serious Note, yes there are moles on here. Think different? Think for yourself! If you want to keep your Note 7, then do it! The only "proof" that there ever was a fault was through the media. Remember, the media is not your friend!

Happy to still keep using mine (is slated for swap out to S7E which is not the phone I forked out $1350 for, that is for sure!)
My phone survived a huge cooking with the Oculus dodgy update, so I feel it is one of the good ones
I know some users here who definitely match your discussed behaviour though!
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I was actually thinking of making a thread exactly like this.
I, too, have noticed this. I truly think they are former Note 7 owners who wish they'd kept their devices. They know they made the wrong choice giving it up, and are now stuck using a device that has half the features. And as they stare at their crappy phone, they fill with rage that other people still have Note 7s and are enjoying them to the fullest.
Nobody is taking my Note 7 away from me, that's for sure. This device is so far ahead of everything else. It's better than 90% of 2017's devices will be.

I had the exact same thoughts as well. Very unlike XDA forum members, who are in general all about doing whatever they want with their devices, regardless of who says what.

I will be returning mine for a refund at the latest possible moment, since unfortunately the idea of keeping it indefinitely with no future updates and no Oculus support, doesn't work for me.
But it's kind of irrelevant what I will be doing with mine. The point is, it's entirely up to me and I am sick and tired of people who I don't know, nor care to know, telling me THEY know better.

andoxviii said:
I was actually thinking of making a thread exactly like this.
I, too, have noticed this. I truly think they are former Note 7 owners who wish they'd kept their devices. They know they made the wrong choice giving it up, and are now stuck using a device that has half the features. And as they stare at their crappy phone, they fill with rage that other people still have Note 7s and are enjoying them to the fullest.
Nobody is taking my Note 7 away from me, that's for sure. This device is so far ahead of everything else. It's better than 90% of 2017's devices will be.
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I don't miss mine one bit. Care to keep generalizing? Maybe we just don't want our aircraft cabins filled with toxic fumes from smoldering batteries, as UNLIKELY as an event that may be. I for one don't mind people keeping their N7's. Do what you will. I do find it comical that people with small children in the home are hardcore defending keeping the device, however. Even though the slightest possibility of a device going up in smoke is slim to none, the safety of my family comes first. No amount of iris scanners and expandable storage can make up for a potential fire hazard in the home.

this forum is about people interesred in this device, I got my replacement, and I am happy with it, besides my carrier will keep a one year warranty, so, it is a good deal for me, in my country there is no mandatory recall, so, they can not force anybody to surrender the phone, also by no means , they wont block/deactivate remotely, as it woul be considered against your consumer rights, I started a thread about over sensitive s pen, and only thing I got was "get rid of your note7" in my opinion, this kind of replies defeat the entire purpose of this portal, that is helping and improving, there are lots of people keeping their note7, so, whoever returned, or backed from a note 7, should show some respect to those keeping it

Rado_vr6 said:
I don't miss mine one bit. Care to keep generalizing? Maybe we just don't want our aircraft cabins filled with toxic fumes from smoldering batteries, as UNLIKELY as an event that may be. I for one don't mind people keeping their N7's. Do what you will. I do find it comical that people with small children in the home are hardcore defending keeping the device, however. Even though the slightest possibility of a device going up in smoke is slim to none, the safety of my family comes first. No amount of iris scanners and expandable storage can make up for a potential fire hazard in the home.
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Q. E. D.

winol said:
this forum is about people interesred in this device, I got my replacement, and I am happy with it, besides my carrier will keep a one year warranty, so, it is a good deal for me, in my country there is no mandatory recall, so, they can not force anybody to surrender the phone, also by no means , they wont block/deactivate remotely, as it woul be considered against your consumer rights, I started a thread about over sensitive s pen, and only thing I got was "get rid of your note7" in my opinion, this kind of replies defeat the entire purpose of this portal, that is helping and improving, there are lots of people keeping their note7, so, whoever returned, or backed from a note 7, should show some respect to those keeping it
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What country are you in out of interest. I'm in the UK and I'm not entirely sure if it's voluntary or mandatory. Also if it is voluntary then we may still get some updates which at the very least means security patches. I hope.
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It is evident on other Android Forums too, I got "Warnings" and had my Posts outright Deleted when I posted this link:
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/32960624/iphone-7-catches-fire-destroys-vehicle/#page1
(Strange how the reporter's name is Niamh)
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andoxviii said:
I was actually thinking of making a thread exactly like this.
I, too, have noticed this. I truly think they are former Note 7 owners who wish they'd kept their devices. They know they made the wrong choice giving it up, and are now stuck using a device that has half the features. And as they stare at their crappy phone, they fill with rage that other people still have Note 7s and are enjoying them to the fullest.
Nobody is taking my Note 7 away from me, that's for sure. This device is so far ahead of everything else. It's better than 90% of 2017's devices will be.
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I agree. I was actually an unfortunate Pre-ordered Note 7 customer who never got theirs in time due to the recall and have even posted asking if anyone who has one instead of returning it I would buy it from them. It was ignored by a moderator who in turn replied to the previous poster asking if they had received their 'fireproof' return shipping box.
Either these are shills or are just hypnotized by the recent mass media campaign and genuinely believe the Note 7's are dangerous. Yet you need to question that when you post clear evidence that even today's news is showing iPhones exploding and destroying cars.
People are either brainwashed or are working undercover counter intelligence

Chippy_boy said:
I can't be the only one who's noticed that there's a bunch of people on this forum, who for whatever reason seem to be on some kind of campaign. These people are insisting that Note 7 owners must power them off and return them and they take every opportunity to say that the phone is a huge danger and that no only must all handsets be returned, but that the networks and Samsung must block the devices. It goes far beyond the occasional post and the odd comment. It's repeated, vitriolic, aggressive, confrontational and dogmatic.
Fine upstanding citizens these people may be and perhaps they are so motivated to ensure the safety of their fellow humans. But I seriously doubt that. I doubt most of them surely don't care a damn about the safety of other phone users. So what's driving this campaign of vitriol? Why are these people not simply making their point and moving on? Is it because they have surrendered their devices and don't like others still enjoying their Note 7's? is it because they are somehow feeling inadequate and feel the need to demonstrate their superiority?
I can't remember circumstances before where so many self-rightous, sanctimonious vigilantes have sprung up who seem hell bent on TELLING others what they must do.
I'd like to say to all of them, what people do with their own Note 7's is a matter entirely for them, their supplier and their mobile operator. That's it. Beyond that, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
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Samsung is also one of these people who keep telling to give back your phone... weird...

Rado_vr6 said:
I don't miss mine one bit. Care to keep generalizing? Maybe we just don't want our aircraft cabins filled with toxic fumes from smoldering batteries, as UNLIKELY as an event that may be. I for one don't mind people keeping their N7's. Do what you will. I do find it comical that people with small children in the home are hardcore defending keeping the device, however. Even though the slightest possibility of a device going up in smoke is slim to none, the safety of my family comes first. No amount of iris scanners and expandable storage can make up for a potential fire hazard in the home.
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I don't plan on taking my personal phone (Note 7 w8) into an airplane. I plan on using my work iPhone for that.
Nor do I have children.
And if all you see is an iris scanner and expandable storage when you look at the Note 7, then this device isn't for you anyways.

Check out the Samsung.com website of your country. To see if the recall is voluntary or mandatory. All sites will ask you to power down and exchange for another Galaxy model ?
?hardcore signatures?
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I've not posted in the various other threads on this topic but to the starter of this thread, how would you feel if someone posted pretty much what you said but instead of talking about the note 7 it was talking about drinking and driving?
Many of us live in societies with incredible levels of self entitlement. People believing that they are special and rules don't apply to them. It's not really about YOUR safety it's about the safety of people around you. That is the real issue. While some of the people who are keeping their phones may never take it outside their house I don't for a second believe that none of them will take them on planes, subways, etc. Just like drinking and driving you may get away with it for a very long time but it only takes one time to change your life forever. In order to keep a note 7 as normal it requires you to actively circumvent updates from Samsung. If something goes wrong and someone dies there will be no "I didn't realize" defense. You absolutely will be going to jail.
As for myself I surrendered my note 7 yesterday. I was sad to see such a great phone go to waste but I have no regrets. I respect my safety and that of others around me too much to take a risk. I fly frequently and don't need any headaches like this.
I don't for a second think that Samusung is taking this **** kicking, both financially and to their reputation for fun. I think it's wise to heed their advice and replace the phone.

Wooba99 said:
I've not posted in the various other threads on this topic but to the starter of this thread, how would you feel if someone posted pretty much what you said but instead of talking about the note 7 it was talking about drinking and driving?
Many of us live in societies with incredible levels of self entitlement. People believing that they are special and rules don't apply to them. It's not really about YOUR safety it's about the safety of people around you. That is the real issue. While some of the people who are keeping their phones may never take it outside their house I don't for a second believe that none of them will take them on planes, subways, etc. Just like drinking and driving you may get away with it for a very long time but it only takes one time to change your life forever. In order to keep a note 7 as normal it requires you to actively circumvent updates from Samsung. If something goes wrong and someone dies there will be no "I didn't realize" defense. You absolutely will be going to jail.
As for myself I surrendered my note 7 yesterday. I was sad to see such a great phone go to waste but I have no regrets. I respect my safety and that of others around me too much to take a risk. I fly frequently and don't need any headaches like this.
I don't for a second think that Samusung is taking this **** kicking, both financially and to their reputation for fun. I think it's wise to heed their advice and replace the phone.
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Great - good for you. No need to repeat it any more.

CerveCesar said:
Check out the Samsung.com website of your country. To see if the recall is voluntary or mandatory. All sites will ask you to power down and exchange for another Galaxy model
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As you say. Ask.

Chippy_boy said:
Great - good for you. No need to repeat it any more.
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Not planning too. I know it's a waste of time trying to convince people so I don't try. You asked a question, I answered it.
And you never answered my question.

Wooba99 said:
Not planning too. I know it's a waste of time trying to convince people so I don't try. You asked a question, I answered it.
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Thanks.
EDIT: Sorry I missed your question. The answer is, the two are not comparable. Drinking and driving is proven to be extremely dangerous. Note 7's are proven to be pretty safe. The issue is that they are not as safe as some people would like, but to compare the levels of risk to that of driving a car whilst drunk, is misleading.
There's already a flight ban in place and people I would imagine are sensible enough to respect that. I know I would. And regards the public safety risk more generally, NO-ONE has suffered serious injury and there have been no deaths out of 4 million units shipped. Worst case, the device is going to catch fire and guess what - people will put it out. The idea that automatically when a phone catches fire then some kind of apocalypse occurs, is also misleading. These are fundamentally fairly safe devices. Samsung however necessarily look at it down the other end of the telescope since they are responsible for all 4 million devices and whereas the chance of you or I having an issue with our phone is very very low, the chances of Samsung having an issue with one of the 4 million of their phones, is very very high. That's why they needed to cancel the phone, not because any one phone is intrinsically dangerous - it is not.

I am of the belief that some, not all, of the owners who returned their Note 7's would be better served with an iPhone anyways. Those are the one's that take a shine toward being dominated in every aspect of their lives.

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