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why is there so much hate about wp7 in its own forum?

why is there so much hate about wp7 in its own forum? i dont own one, but cmon guys, why so much negativity?!

sort of like asking why the ocean is blue... noone really knows.
(the ocean is blue due to the sunlight... )

For some reason, the people that seem to hate WP7 the most are Android fans.
There almost is an inability by some to acknowledge that different intelligent people could possibly have opinions that differ from their own.
This isn't true of a majority of Android fans of course, but the people that seem to have the most deep seated animosity towards WP7 happen to often be Android fans.

I don't hate Win 7, I just luv Android..................

so far for most of the users who bought the phone loved it. then again, dont we mostly love the phones we buy no mater what brand or os.
wp7 being a new os, im just waiting to see what devs will support it before i truly consider buying it.

It's Kinda Complicated...
This is a tough one but let me share why I feel this happens. XDA was the place to go for anything cool on Windows Mobile. Windows Mobile had alot of homebrew support and indie developer applications which you could find out about here. It was a very hacked open platform. Then Microsoft started talking about Windows Phone 7 and moved away from that community kind of alienating it a bit. Around that time that community started to move to the new hacked open playground being the Android platform. That being said after years of trying to explain all the cool things they were doing like free tethering for example with Windows Mobile to and defending themselves from the casual mobs of iSheep they still like to come back here and vent by hating on Windows Phone 7 for being the bastard successor to their former beloved mobile OS. A bit dramtically expressed by just what I am seeing.

Android fanboys.

xThe Enforcer said:
Android fanboys.
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Pretty much this.

Interesting thing is that even iPhone users seem to like WP7, so it must be the Android users...And I thought the apple gang was bad. This is just like discussing operating systems with 14 year old Linux users

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L337Ware said:
This is a tough one but let me share why I feel this happens. XDA was the place to go for anything cool on Windows Mobile. Windows Mobile had alot of homebrew support and indie developer applications which you could find out about here. It was a very hacked open platform. Then Microsoft started talking about Windows Phone 7 and moved away from that community kind of alienating it a bit. Around that time that community started to move to the new hacked open playground being the Android platform. That being said after years of trying to explain all the cool things they were doing like free tethering for example with Windows Mobile to and defending themselves from the casual mobs of iSheep they still like to come back here and vent by hating on Windows Phone 7 for being the bastard successor to their former beloved mobile OS. A bit dramatically expressed by just what I am seeing.
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Damned good point.
As someone who joined the Good Ship CE back in the days of the Jornada (and then WM with the Blue Angel) I guess there are quite a few of us who do feel that we have been abandoned by MS. We spent years being mocked and derided by others for wanting to have internet access and stoopidly large screens.
I appreciate that MS exist to make profit rather than entertain us, but at some point I will have to join the legions of WP. I don't want an Iphone or android so I have little choice.
If I am being honest part of my reluctance is the result of the fact that as I browse through this forum I am greeted by posts bragging about game scores or that are full of people slagging each other off. Just something I am not used to (here on XDA) and seems to go hand in hand with my concerns about dumbing down. Frankly this section of XDA is too often childish and *****y
Sadly it does seem that any dissenting voices are pooh-poohed as being WM haters. This is patiently daft.
I have been called a troll and android fan boy for whining about the lack of tethering and so forth.
So... getting back to the OP's question much of the criticism of WM is not indeed hate but disappointment at finding that MS have removed many of the features that we, as potential owners, had expected to be de facto.

I would argue the android comment. I'm on android now, but it was a protest against win phone 7.....because I loved winmo. Win phone is opposite direction.
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eternalemb said:
+103399558877655. These little Gaydroid lovin kiddies just can't help themselves...
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Pretty much.
It's funny; my good friend is a hardcore Android user.
We've compared my Focus to his Captivate several times. I do like Android and the Captivate but when it comes down to it, they're sorta the same thing.
Both can do virtually the same thing and just as fast. Same hardware too I believe.
I just prefer the Focus because of the Windows UI. It's sleek, simple, and fast. Gets the jobs done. More and more apps are coming everyday and same goes for games. They are porting them constantly. I am more than pleased with my purchase and can't wait for the future of WP7!
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On another note if my Focus would have not accepted my MicroSD Card and reset randomly, lagged, and overall performed crappy... I'd go with the Captivate. Lol!

the thing is people seem to be confused and think wp7 is the wm6.5 upgrade when it really is not. The simple fact is that if windows 7 didn't have such a strong name i think they would of moved away from the 7 all together. WM and WP are not the same line WM is pretty much dead in the water due to Android and so MS has changed its target market. The problem with this is that people already new the MS target audience for WM and expected it to stay the same but it did not. They are after the average user the nokia clan if you will. This is why its kind of a big deal if nokia chooses to go with wp7 or not. This does mean however that there is a lot of wm fans left hanging in the wind and they are angry about this, then to top it off android fans see this and like to pounce (kind of like the guy in the pub that sees a man down then puts the boot in for a laugh even though its not his fight). The thing is this could all be squashed so easy by MS if they got there act together a bit better and started to actually push wp7 to the customer, it is easy to sit in a big office somewhere paying a large tv company to make adds for you but until they get people in the streets they are going to get over looked. We have all seen that the best tech isnt always what takes off. WP7 is the best os for the basic user by a long way and i hope MS give it the push it needs. That being said i do believe if nokia come on board then its a home run as the brand name will carry it to the right audience.
I love Windows Phone it can be properly amazing.

lumpaywk- I agree with you but would add that MS may have a problem with regard to whom to aim the phone at.
Apple did an amazing job of convincing punters that they wanted a phone that had features that would have otherwise been previously seen as geeky. Indeed they managed to convince many people that the had invent the whole concept.
Apple applied Jobsian post Fordist- you only need these features and no more (eg no copy'n'paste, tethering etc). They incorrectly assumed that all of their punters were brain dead and were proved wrong, as is evidenced by the fact they then added those features.
MS seem to be making the same mistakes. It is almost as if they assume that everyone is interested in social networking and gaming and nothing else. I guess I will be flamed by those stating that WP is a work in progress but they are speculating as much as I am with regard to what will and will not be available via future updates.
IMO MS have missed a trick- they could have proved an interface that required little savvy to use but which at the same time allowed a degree of customisation/functionality by those that want to dig deeper. It is inevitable that the Gurus here will enable that at some point so why not embrace it from the outset.
That would keep the (relatively small) WM owners happy and hand the techy bragging rights to WP, perhaps leading to migration form android/iphone. I have never owned either an andriod or iphone but can see why they find it so easy to take the pee out of some of WP's shortcomings (admittedly whilst side stepping it's strengths).
I think it unlikely that WP will crash and burn but it doesn't follow that it will automatically succeed. Sure MS have deep pockets but those pockets were even deeper when they were running with WM, and what happened to that

Here's the thing.
It's so easy to say that Android owners, or "fanboys" as some love to stamp them, are the ones who come in here with any negativity when there are other factors at play here.
1) I have seen threads started in this forum by WP7 "fanboys" on how WP7 is better than Android and basically just bashing the other OS, this can cause Android owners to retort with obvious failings of WP7.
2) Look at the bugs thread, this OS does have things still desired that need to be addressed.
3) The fact is, you can't just brush away and defend every criticism by anyone and pass it off as "fanboy" (whatever that even means). Just like if someone said "wow, Android sure has a fragmentation issue with so many different specced phones with different frameworks and UIs and stuff" I'd have to agree and confirm that that is a problem at times and not immediately label him a WP7 fanboy etc...
4) This forum seems to have more than a few overly sensitive dwellers who take personal offense at mere opinions of a phone's mobile OS as if it were some attack on your character or something, and so blow it up out of proportion.
Look, if calling anyone who doesn't agree with you an Android Fanboy makes you feel more important and better about yourself, then go for it, but at the end of the day you're not addressing the real drawbacks of WP7. We're all basically here to make our mobile experience better, no matter which OS we choose to go with.

Not only do you have Android/iPhone fanboys bashing WP7 but also WP7 users bashing it. That's because we love the phone and just want to see it getting better. On the other hand iPhone/Android users seem to think their phones are perfect already. lol. Thats why they are fanboys I guess.

rockstarar said:
why is there so much hate about wp7 in its own forum? i dont own one, but cmon guys, why so much negativity?!
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In my case, it isn't hatred, it's a doomed system and I'm just expressing my sadness that such a nice system has to be destroyed by a deadbeat idiot leadership at MS. But I guarantee it is doomed...unless MS shakes up the management in charge of WP7.

The negativity happens because the regulars here hostile towards anyone, very little help here without pages of insults. You can usually get more straightforward responses from the MS wp7 forums compared to this place.

I just bought myself, my mom, my borther, and my wife all WP7 devices for christmas (one of each released in the states) and I know that were all hooked and I've been a member of XDA for a few years now and have been tinkering since I got the original HTC touch when it was new.

Some more update hype

Here is some more update hype just like the earlier hype that caused a lot of concern among WP7 users. Hype or misreporting? Nevertheless, it is reports like this that are causing a lot of anxious people to be annoyed with MS, myself included. This is a quote from Daily Tech. A link to the full story is also provided:
"Second, like Android, Microsoft is pursuing an aggressive update schedule, which should help it. It plans to deliver a pair of major updates this spring, which will bring customers copy/paste and multi-tasking. These updates will "catch it up" with its competitors, so to speak. This is definitely a positive for Microsoft, and should greatly help the platform's image."
Gadgets The Good, The Bad: Windows Phone 7 Moved 2 Million Units in Q4 2010

Sorry but without an official statement to the fact, why would anyone take this seriously? Without cold, hard facts this is just another rumour, and no one in their right mind would take this as MS's official stance. Anyone who believes everything they read on the internet, more fool them and if you have to go searching to find this info it puts it into even more doubt.

Do you spend your time hunting for WP7 defamatory information just so you can troll the forums? I mean if you hate it so bad stop wishing for android for it which wont happen and buy an android device. Enjoy the lag.

Misreporting.
People are taking the same news and statements and trying to read into it, then report it as news.

z33dev33l said:
Do you spend your time hunting for WP7 defamatory information just so you can troll the forums? I mean if you hate it so bad stop wishing for android for it which wont happen and buy an android device. Enjoy the lag.
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I'd appreciate you getting a clue and stop harassing me over stuff I AM NOT doing. According to my websites abut online harassment and abuse, I give you this warning: Do not say another word to me.

MartyLK said:
I'd appreciate you getting a clue and stop harassing me over stuff I AM NOT doing. According to my websites abut online harassment and abuse, I give you this warning: Do not say another word to me.
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And messages posted to any open venue, such as a newsgroup, a web-based board, an AOL discussion forum or a chat room, are seldom truly harassing unless they're forged to appear to come from you or contain direct threats or libelous statements.
I did not state in any way that you were in fact committing this act nor did I threaten you in any way. Please do not throw interpretations around in place of the law to avoid answering. If you so choose not to respond to my inquiry that is your right and I respect that but do not act as though it is going to turn into a threat of legal action because that's just, well, depressing.

MartyLK said:
I'd appreciate you getting a clue and stop harassing me over stuff I AM NOT doing. According to my websites abut online harassment and abuse, I give you this warning: Do not say another word to me.
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Laugh. Out. Loud.
You shouldn't post on forums if you can't handle a little flak here and there. Its not like he's threatening you physically or mentally, and he's not spreading libel. Don't hide behind a threat like that. It looks petty at best.

nova hands said:
Laugh. Out. Loud.
You shouldn't post on forums if you can't handle a little flak here and there. Its not like he's threatening you physically or mentally, and he's not spreading libel. Don't hide behind a threat like that. It looks petty at best.
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Same goes for you. You had no useful intention for saying what you said. If you only want to spread discontent and harm, I warn you: Do not say another word to me.

The Daily Tech story has been updated with a response from MS:
"Update: Thur. 1/27/2011 2:50 p.m. -
We reached out to our Microsoft press contact for more information concerning some news networks' negative depiction of this sales data and update on the phantom data issue. While the spokesperson did not provide us with answers to our specific questions, as requested, they did offer us a general statement.
They emphasized the following metrics:
• Early research indicates 93% of customers worldwide are satisfied with Windows Phone 7, and 90% would recommend to others.
• Developer engagement is excellent with customers getting access to an average of 100 new apps a day and more than 6,500 apps overall on Marketplace.
• Over 2MM licenses sold to OEMs worldwide.
And they add, "Sales are an important measure of success, but for a new platform customer satisfaction and active developer investment can be even more important leading indicators of long-term success.These early signs of satisfaction from customers and developers are reason to be bullish about the foundation for long-term success for Windows Phone 7."
We will again, try to provide an update as soon as Microsoft offers more specifics on the data usage issues that are afflicting some WP7 users."
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nova hands said:
Laugh. Out. Loud.
You shouldn't post on forums if you can't handle a little flak here and there. Its not like he's threatening you physically or mentally, and he's not spreading libel. Don't hide behind a threat like that. It looks petty at best.
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Eh, I remember when I was a kid we didn't threaten legal action without foundation... or at all... all these new laws paired with kids who don't get outside much have lead to a much weaker generation as a whole. I'm glad I grew up in an era where even the teens and adults arent saying "I'm going to tell on you." for absolutely no reason...

Equally some of you have a basic problem understanding many customers are dissatisfied with WP7. And this "90% consumer satisfaction" is as true as worthless crap. I mean these general surveys are nothing.
By the way, do some of you work for MS? You behave like the multibillion giant needs your defence? Give me me a break.

doministry said:
Equally some of you have a basic problem understanding many customers are dissatisfied with WP7. And this "90% consumer satisfaction" is as true as worthless crap. I mean these general surveys are nothing.
By the way, do some of you work for MS? You behave like the multibillion giant needs your defence? Give me me a break.
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That's the idea I get. I know I and a number of people I know aren't satisfied with WP7. I do recognize, though, that I and a lot of people liked WP7 up front and believe MS might be taking that into account rather than the continued use of WP7. It's when people have used the OS for a while when they become unsatisfied.
Lets keeps things on topic, please.

MartyLK said:
That's the idea I get. I know I and a number of people I know aren't satisfied with WP7. I do recognize, though, that I and a lot of people liked WP7 up front and believe MS might be taking that into account rather than the continued use of WP7. It's when people have used the OS for a while when they become unsatisfied.
Lets keeps things on topic, please.
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I do find the figure of 93% being extremely high, but not completely unreasonable. Just looking at my own friends and relatives, whom are mostly average consumers - that is, they come to me for advise on things technical - none have so far come back and given me crap about the piece of **** phone I convinced them to buy, and let me tell you, they would have given me grief about it if they weren't satisfied. I still remember the HDDVD vs BluRay war, where I was clearly on the losing side.
It's still a hard one though, because as you say it's after using the OS for some time you really get the feeling for those little niggly things that are really wrong about it, and due to a huge shortage of devices locally (for weeks after launch) many of the people I know haven't had them for more than perhaps a month to six weeks so far. I dunno though, I picked up a HD7 at launch, didn't like it, got a Omnia 7 which I returned as it only had 8GB storage and no SD slot and finally a 16GB Omnia 7 - point is, I've used the OS since launch (and sort of before by use of the emulator and dev devices) in some capacity or another and really I think it took less than a week for me to realise everything that was wrong with it. To the best of my recollection nothing has cropped up in the weeks or months since, that I hadn't already noticed and accepted.
Now, as an old WM user do I find the OS to be lacking in certain aspects? Sure I do, but what they've delivered they've generally delivered really well. It's given me what no WM or Android phone could - an experience that just works, just like the iPhone (and had the iPhone been available on different hardware I may still have been an iPhone user). Of course I am looking forward to the day we can utilize the camera API on WP7, or the day we can integrate the users contacts into our apps. Likewise I'm looking forward to certain bugs being fixed and promised features to become available, but if I was asked if I liked the platform as is I would have to say yes, Yes I do.
If you feel the lack of functionality is so bad, you're simply chosen the wrong OS and you would probably be much better off using Android or WM (which I personally preferred out of the two). You're never going to get a product that fits everyone in every way possible - apart from perhaps in North Korea where you really don't have a choice

emigrating said:
I do find the figure of 93% being extremely high, but not completely unreasonable. Just looking at my own friends and relatives, whom are mostly average consumers - that is, they come to me for advise on things technical - none have so far come back and given me crap about the piece of **** phone I convinced them to buy, and let me tell you, they would have given me grief about it if they weren't satisfied. I still remember the HDDVD vs BluRay war, where I was clearly on the losing side.
It's still a hard one though, because as you say it's after using the OS for some time you really get the feeling for those little niggly things that are really wrong about it, and due to a huge shortage of devices locally (for weeks after launch) many of the people I know haven't had them for more than perhaps a month to six weeks so far. I dunno though, I picked up a HD7 at launch, didn't like it, got a Omnia 7 which I returned as it only had 8GB storage and no SD slot and finally a 16GB Omnia 7 - point is, I've used the OS since launch (and sort of before by use of the emulator and dev devices) in some capacity or another and really I think it took less than a week for me to realise everything that was wrong with it. To the best of my recollection nothing has cropped up in the weeks or months since, that I hadn't already noticed and accepted.
Now, as an old WM user do I find the OS to be lacking in certain aspects? Sure I do, but what they've delivered they've generally delivered really well. It's given me what no WM or Android phone could - an experience that just works, just like the iPhone (and had the iPhone been available on different hardware I may still have been an iPhone user). Of course I am looking forward to the day we can utilize the camera API on WP7, or the day we can integrate the users contacts into our apps. Likewise I'm looking forward to certain bugs being fixed and promised features to become available, but if I was asked if I liked the platform as is I would have to say yes, Yes I do.
If you feel the lack of functionality is so bad, you're simply chosen the wrong OS and you would probably be much better off using Android or WM (which I personally preferred out of the two). You're never going to get a product that fits everyone in every way possible - apart from perhaps in North Korea where you really don't have a choice
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LOL...I've had that experience myself with things I recommended. Then I go running for cover. Ewww...just remembered the $400 I talked my brother into spending on the Palm Treo 680...the unlocked one - not carrier supported. We both bought one when they first came out and turned out to be the worst pile of doo we ever threw money at. I will never live that down. When the iPhone came out, not too long after the Treo 680, I was praising it to my brother but didn't dare recommend it...lol.
I have praised WP7 to him. He has yet to know how I currently feel about it, though. I still like the OS as a skeleton. One which has potential. But I certainly hope MS won't "kin" us all.

Honestly, I think if you are on this phone. You have "higher" expectations for the platform than average users would. In the tech community satisfaction may be mediocre, but with the everyday community. People love this platform.

MartyLK said:
That's the idea I get. I know I and a number of people I know aren't satisfied with WP7. I do recognize, though, that I and a lot of people liked WP7 up front and believe MS might be taking that into account rather than the continued use of WP7. It's when people have used the OS for a while when they become unsatisfied.
Lets keeps things on topic, please.
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Dude, you were all for WP7 until you were against it. What gives?
You chose to be a beta tester, you did, no one forced you to give money away.
Yeah it sucks that the update isn't here yet but it was YOU who chose to believe the hype and rumors that it was coming in January.
When it comes down to it, WP7 as is is a complete smartphone OS.
Unfortunaely for MS, there are other OSes out there that have more features have grown accustomed to having, some of these features were even on their previous OS.
Let me tell you something though, you like the features on the other OSes so much? Why the hell didn't you buy a phone with one of those OSes instead of making threads that make you sound like countless other self-entitled brats in the world today?
Damn, learn a little patience and maybe, just maybe, you'll be rewarded for it. Or don't, a be viewed as a brat, your choice!

Well it's an informative thread, so I will not delete it.
But as only generates flames, I'm closing.

The WP7 forums are more filled with people who hate WP7 than people who like it.

I am fully aware that the WP7 updates thusfar have been quite terrible but it now seems that there are more people posting here purely for the sake of bashing WP7 than ever. Of course when it is addressed most of them say "I run it on my blahblah and it's nice but I just wish it could be better." Why not mention some of those nice points. The phone may not have a billion different settings to change and all the different options other OSes have but what it does do it does better than any other OS out there and I'll take quality over quantity any day. The only complaint I've had thusfar about WP7 and the only thing I dislike about it is the update system, but I can look past it as after switching to WP7 every other OS just feels lesser. WP7 has some flaws but the majority, aside from multi-tasking, are heavily exaggerated. I know some people want to stream pandora and text and I'm sure that sucks but we all knew that was there when we got the device and Microsoft is addressing the issue. I just want to know, why spend most of your time lounging around a forum for something you so greatly dislike? I mean, I don't visit the android forums and post hate messages there. Are some people just that wanton to hate?

1. the vocal and critical few on the internet do not represent the numbers out in the real world.
2. it's human nature to stay silent when all is good, but raise hell when it's not.
Michael.

Like Mike above me said, the trolls are out there to do exactly what you're witnessing on these forums.
And no one attracts more trolls than Microsoft.
Put two and two together and you get this

Apart from rabid Android fanboys who are very vocal all over the internet and generally are overyelling Apple fanboys by a big margin, this particular forum also has many ex-WM users who are frustrated because WP7 isn't WM7. So you see lots of negativity here.

vangrieg said:
Apart from rabid Android fanboys who are very vocal all over the internet and generally are overyelling Apple fanboys by a big margin, this particular forum also has many ex-WM users who are frustrated because WP7 isn't WM7. So you see lots of negativity here.
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That's me! Ex WM user, and chef.

well a lot of the people "hating" are WP7 owners, so your argument goes out the window, what do they have to gain by sharing their experience and warning others not to make the same mistake and jump on a beta OS a year out of a real update?
The arguments for and against WP7 are equally valid, take a look at the bugs thread for what problems people have. That's cool that you like your device but some people looking for a new device want multitasking, want to change the UI, want folders, want mounted storage, they want free apps that don't suck, some even want tethering, some want a front facing camera, some want to save camera settings, others might want that stupid camera shutter turned off, some might even want to load their own ringtones (what a concept), others might want to be able to back up their apps and data on a hard-reset, the list never ends.
The reason it seems people are here to rain on your parade is because there are so many posts about "WP7 is so awesome, better than any other OS" and that crazy ass thread about let's all love and worship MS, what the hell was that? Then there's the "I don't care if my phone can't do anything, it's sleek and fast and works as a phone" posts.
I know I seem like a buzz-kill troll, but the truth is I actually LIKE wp7 a lot, it's just you have to admit it's a work-in-progress that is missing so many things that Android and iOS have to offer, I could never in good conscience tell someone to get a WP7 over an iPhone or Android, but that's the way it goes with a brand new OS.
Let's talk in a year or two when the OS has had time to mature and grow, then you will see less threads and posts like this. People aren't as malevolent as you think, the whole "WP7 is the best thing in the history of ever" threads are just laughable and some of us don't mind coming in to point that out.

vangrieg said:
Apart from rabid Android fanboys who are very vocal all over the internet and generally are overyelling Apple fanboys by a big margin, this particular forum also has many ex-WM users who are frustrated because WP7 isn't WM7. So you see lots of negativity here.
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and then you have the classic "fanboy" guy who just calls anyone who doesn't agree with him a "fanboy" of something, ignoring all the legitimate reasons why an OS might just might be better than WP7.
of course because I hate McDonald's I'm a BK fanboy, and because I like camel more than marlboro, I guess I'm just a camel fanboy who is just hating on the M man.

orangekid said:
well a lot of the people "hating" are WP7 owners, so your argument goes out the window, what do they have to gain by sharing their experience and warning others not to make the same mistake and jump on a beta OS a year out of a real update?
The arguments for and against WP7 are equally valid, take a look at the bugs thread for what problems people have. That's cool that you like your device but some people looking for a new device want multitasking, want to change the UI, want folders, want mounted storage, they want free apps that don't suck, some even want tethering, some want a front facing camera, some want to save camera settings, others might want that stupid camera shutter turned off, some might even want to load their own ringtones (what a concept), others might want to be able to back up their apps and data on a hard-reset, the list never ends.
The reason it seems people are here to rain on your parade is because there are so many posts about "WP7 is so awesome, better than any other OS" and that crazy ass thread about let's all love and worship MS, what the hell was that? Then there's the "I don't care if my phone can't do anything, it's sleek and fast and works as a phone" posts.
I know I seem like a buzz-kill troll, but the truth is I actually LIKE wp7 a lot, it's just you have to admit it's a work-in-progress that is missing so many things that Android and iOS have to offer, I could never in good conscience tell someone to get a WP7 over an iPhone or Android, but that's the way it goes with a brand new OS.
Let's talk in a year or two when the OS has had time to mature and grow, then you will see less threads and posts like this. People aren't as malevolent as you think, the whole "WP7 is the best thing in the history of ever" threads are just laughable and some of us don't mind coming in to point that out.
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I couldn't have said it better myself. I actually wouldn't have bothered to say it myself. But since you said, I'll back it up. WP7 owner here, and my posting history is full of positive sayings about WP7. But, since I'm not a fanboy or loyalist and am rational minded, my posting history is also full of negative things about WP7.
I would rather read from a poster who isn't afraid to tell the truth of the matter; who won't cow down to the fanboys or loyalist...who just adore causing all kinds of trouble and having innocent people labeled negative things. In a situation like that, when they expect me to back off, I charge full steam ahead and ram right through all of the bull****. That's my nature.

Just to clarify, my point isn't that everyone who criticizes WP7 is an Android fanboy, I never said that. There are a lot of fanboys though, and there's a lot of frustration and even anger among ex-WM users, and this adds a lot of negativity. I myself am an ex-WM user, cooked my own ROMs and even developed a utility for WM once.

orangekid said:
well a lot of the people "hating" are WP7 owners, so your argument goes out the window, what do they have to gain by sharing their experience and warning others not to make the same mistake and jump on a beta OS a year out of a real update?
The arguments for and against WP7 are equally valid, take a look at the bugs thread for what problems people have. That's cool that you like your device but some people looking for a new device want multitasking, want to change the UI, want folders, want mounted storage, they want free apps that don't suck, some even want tethering, some want a front facing camera, some want to save camera settings, others might want that stupid camera shutter turned off, some might even want to load their own ringtones (what a concept), others might want to be able to back up their apps and data on a hard-reset, the list never ends.
The reason it seems people are here to rain on your parade is because there are so many posts about "WP7 is so awesome, better than any other OS" and that crazy ass thread about let's all love and worship MS, what the hell was that? Then there's the "I don't care if my phone can't do anything, it's sleek and fast and works as a phone" posts.
I know I seem like a buzz-kill troll, but the truth is I actually LIKE wp7 a lot, it's just you have to admit it's a work-in-progress that is missing so many things that Android and iOS have to offer, I could never in good conscience tell someone to get a WP7 over an iPhone or Android, but that's the way it goes with a brand new OS.
Let's talk in a year or two when the OS has had time to mature and grow, then you will see less threads and posts like this. People aren't as malevolent as you think, the whole "WP7 is the best thing in the history of ever" threads are just laughable and some of us don't mind coming in to point that out.
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I readily admit that it's a work in progress but so is any other OS. I know that some of the things on WP7 are more prominent (aside from android's UI... yeesh) but it's no reason for a lot of people to write it off as a whole. As for the points you said it needed;
multitasking- Coming in Mango, only time I've found it to be a burden was before my zune pass when I streamed slacker.
want to change the UI- I change the colors on mine nearly daily. iPhone is not supposed to have much alteration on it's UI either
want folders- Hubs seems more sensible in my opinion and the apps in the long list are so much easier to find because I can flick my thumb once and catch the app by alphabetical order without it being 4x4.
want mounted storage-Likely not happening and truthfully I don't want it to because that would enable a lot of hacking capability and I personally don't want to see apps easily pirated like they are on android and iphone.
they want free apps that don't suck- I think the free apps on here beat the hell out of free apps on most mobile OSes. iPhones free apps are pretty limited. I guess if you are comparing to android though there's no real point in making people pay for apps because you can get any app you want for free. The only way to go on there is ad supported.
some even want tethering- I never personally got the point in this especially since most cellphone providers now have data caps.
some want a front facing camera- This would be nice, I know Microsoft demoed a video chat app at one convention or another way back in like January.
some want to save camera settings-Eh, I would like it but I see why they went the way they did. If I have my camera set for fluorescent light then I go home and my son decides to walk for the first time I don't want to pull out the camera, adjust the settings, go back, and then take pictures likely missing the moment.
others might want that stupid camera shutter turned off- Never really occurred to me...
some might even want to load their own ringtones (what a concept)-Meh, it appeals to some but in all actuality that kind of stuff just feels sort of juvenile.
others might want to be able to back up their apps and data on a hard-reset- I know, from what I heard this was supposed to come alongside NoDo but I'm not seeing anything thusfar.

orangekid said:
and then you have the classic "fanboy" guy who just calls anyone who doesn't agree with him a "fanboy" of something, ignoring all the legitimate reasons why an OS might just might be better than WP7.
of course because I hate McDonald's I'm a BK fanboy, and because I like camel more than marlboro, I guess I'm just a camel fanboy who is just hating on the M man.
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Hating BK doesn't make you a McD Fanboy, unless.... you go to a BK, run up and down the aisles calling all those eating Whoppers losers because Whoppers aren't as cool as the Big Mac because the Big Mac's got three buns. Any possible discussion of the relative merits of both burgers and establishments are then typically deflected to another specious argument about how the Ronald is cool and the King is creepy. Why are you even in a BK if you hate them so much? Anytime someone feverishly professes a dislike for one platform/every other platform because it’s not a cool as the one they have, they are Fanboys. Otherwise, why invest so much energy putting BK down. Just eat your Big Mac and move on.

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Hating BK doesn't make you a McD Fanboy, unless.... you go to a BK, run up and down the aisles calling all those eating Whoppers losers because Whoppers aren't as cool as the Big Mac because the Big Mac's got three buns. Any possible discussion of the relative merits of both burgers and establishments are then typically deflected to another specious argument about how the Ronald is cool and the King is creepy. Why are you even in a BK if you hate them so much? Anytime someone feverishly professes a dislike for one platform/every other platform because it’s not a cool as the one they have, they are Fanboys. Otherwise, why invest so much energy putting BK down. Just eat your Big Mac and move on.
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you're right, and no one here is really doing that, just pointing out some missing features and frustrations.
If McD didn't have buns on their burgers and this was a burger forum, I'd point out that you may want some BK because they have buns, that's all.

vangrieg said:
Just to clarify, my point isn't that everyone who criticizes WP7 is an Android fanboy, I never said that. There are a lot of fanboys though, and there's a lot of frustration and even anger among ex-WM users, and this adds a lot of negativity. I myself am an ex-WM user, cooked my own ROMs and even developed a utility for WM once.
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I got the wrong impression then, my post was more towards the boy who cried fanboy all the time. I too am from WM and cooked my own ROMs back in the Diamond days, then HD2, and I can see your point about how this would add some negativity when you come from such a platform as that to the closed off can't-change-**** attitude of WP7

Human Nature
I go all the way back to MS-Dos and PC-Dos and have been an MS user that entire time. It has been a love/hate relationship at times, well, maybe hate is too strong a word. Frustration might be better. Most people have been with MS at some time in their lives and probably have been frustrated from time to time. This update fiasco falls into the category of "I want this to succeed but, damn, it's the same old MS shooting themselves in the foot and working like hell to make sure this fails". We are just frustrated is all. Their success in keeping us as customers for so long just assures that we have all experienced some sort of frustration.
The sad thing about this whole update fiasco is that someone at MS actually DESIGNED this process, believed it was a good idea, committed it to a contract with carriers, and then signed off on it, to provide users with this wonderful, world class experience. It provides us with another example of the caliber of people who manage these companies. And I like MS!!!!! They just need to get out of their own way.

It's not so much an update fiasco as typical Microsoft PR bleeding, IMO. But they've always been miserably bad at it.

orangekid said:
I got the wrong impression then, my post was more towards the boy who cried fanboy all the time. I too am from WM and cooked my own ROMs back in the Diamond days, then HD2, and I can see your point about how this would add some negativity when you come from such a platform as that to the closed off can't-change-**** attitude of WP7
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I came to WP7 via iPhone so I'm much more tolerant with regard to restrictions and such stuff. I've also learned to appreciate the "consumer electronics" grade quality, so pretty much accepted the rigidness as the better of the two options. It's not for everyone and of course not for everyone here, but there certainly is simething in the idea.
Otherwise, it's hard to disagree that it does have a ton of drawbacks and even though I'm very satisfied with my Mozart I never recommend it to friends and family who come to me for smartphone advice.
That's my attitude towards WP7 in a nutshell. Yet I'm really annoyed that it's almost impossible to find a thread here without hate posts in it.

z33dev33l said:
I readily admit that it's a work in progress but so is any other OS. I know that some of the things on WP7 are more prominent (aside from android's UI... yeesh) but it's no reason for a lot of people to write it off as a whole. As for the points you said it needed;
multitasking- Coming in Mango, only time I've found it to be a burden was before my zune pass when I streamed slacker.
want to change the UI- I change the colors on mine nearly daily. iPhone is not supposed to have much alteration on it's UI either
want folders- Hubs seems more sensible in my opinion and the apps in the long list are so much easier to find because I can flick my thumb once and catch the app by alphabetical order without it being 4x4.
want mounted storage-Likely not happening and truthfully I don't want it to because that would enable a lot of hacking capability and I personally don't want to see apps easily pirated like they are on android and iphone.
they want free apps that don't suck- I think the free apps on here beat the hell out of free apps on most mobile OSes. iPhones free apps are pretty limited. I guess if you are comparing to android though there's no real point in making people pay for apps because you can get any app you want for free. The only way to go on there is ad supported.
some even want tethering- I never personally got the point in this especially since most cellphone providers now have data caps.
some want a front facing camera- This would be nice, I know Microsoft demoed a video chat app at one convention or another way back in like January.
some want to save camera settings-Eh, I would like it but I see why they went the way they did. If I have my camera set for fluorescent light then I go home and my son decides to walk for the first time I don't want to pull out the camera, adjust the settings, go back, and then take pictures likely missing the moment.
others might want that stupid camera shutter turned off- Never really occurred to me...
some might even want to load their own ringtones (what a concept)-Meh, it appeals to some but in all actuality that kind of stuff just feels sort of juvenile.
others might want to be able to back up their apps and data on a hard-reset- I know, from what I heard this was supposed to come alongside NoDo but I'm not seeing anything thusfar.
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Yeah, these posts create as much hate as beeing fanboy.
You see, what you write here is that because YOU don't need something thus it's just stupid or pointless.
The problem is modern OS of any kind today supports MANY DIFFERENT preferences. It supports many different needs, whether you're a "geek" or typical "consumer. You don't like custom rings? So don't use them! It's not only about what you like. It's about general audience.
The problem with WP7 - the biggest one - is that it's not versatile at all.
It's designed to be one way. And however you will try again to convince me that WP7 is so customizable, indeed - it's not. The limitations designed here are horrible.
The upcoming update - NoDo - is not going to resolve anything besides c & p.
And the Mango, well - if it would be April I would say "I'm in!".
But it will be December. Or later.
I just realized it's the first smartphone for 6 years I have which I can't take alone for - let's say - 2 weeks without bringing my laptop together. There are so so many things WP7 is refusing to do. And I even have no guarantee of having them ever back.
I am the user of WP7. Use it all the time. I always have one smartphone as a "super agent". I'm used to the fact that a pocket device almost completely replaces PC when needed. WP7 doesn't do that.
I just discovered few days ago that I really don't like it. I loved it for 3 months - smooth, simple, sexy. But it's half empty inside. This system is really really stupid right now. I could spend huge amount of space here naming these lacks which currently are very annoying.
I was using Android for few weeks only. Didn't really like those flashy graphics so I've chosen WP7, a perfect UI and a promise of a super ecosystem.
But now I see clearly - maybe it will happen next year, maybe.
But maybe not. Current Android 2.3 is exactly what WM was supposed to be, sorry to say that. I can stand those layers of colours and shapes, because I will be able to do whatever I want and more. Yes, a step forward from WM. WP7 makes it all dumber.
So I'm not selling my WP7 just yet but I'm getting Android in 2 weeks about.
Will see how how it goes...
As for WP7 I really hoped all this buzz and amazing PROMISE this OS initially gives will be fulfilled soon. Now a huge disappointment.

I haven't read the posts before mine but I would say most of the people hating on WP7 are owners who are pissed off about the bugs, lack of updates and lack of communication. I find this fair.

orangekid said:
you're right, and no one here is really doing that, just pointing out some missing features and frustrations.
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Agreed. If you bought a BK burger that didn't have buns, and you wanted buns
you have a right to complain.
orangekid said:
If McD didn't have buns on their burgers and this was a burger forum, I'd point out that you may want some BK because they have buns, that's all.
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but now you're assuming that I want buns

munkeyphyst said:
Agreed. If you bought a BK burger that didn't have buns, and you wanted buns
you have a right to complain.
but now you're assuming that I want buns
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But if you don't want buns, you have a complaint

My friend reason for leaving Android for The IPhone 4s lol

Here is our text chat on his reason. What y'all think?
(Him) Just sold the evos 3d for $300 a piece
(Me)Online?
(Him)Yep
(Me) So you down grading to the ifail 4s.
(Him) I love it better than android. For someone that had android first
(Me) Tell me what you love about it.
(Him) It works when I need it. Plus my laptop iPad and phone can be sync together It's easier to use The apps are better made And more stable
From the official iPhone killer.

The only valid reason is the sync between Ipad,MacBook,iPhone
Otherwise its not, the quality of the apps is dependent on the app developer, and they both work and do about the same things.
I don't mind people preferring iOS, I don't but if he does that's fine.
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In ten seconds. Apple +1 Android +20
Let us know how many days he lasted until he returned his iPhone and got back on android.

I raised the same close community circle question before i got rid of my Photon and ultimately got this awesome E4GT. Should I look at the iPhone or stick with Android
One acquaintance's argument for getting his iPhone was "because it just works"...I couldn't respond to that meat filled rock solid argument, so I got the E4GT.
In the end it is certainly preference between how the device will scale over time and I would get bored with an app drawer interface real quick!

I like to compare iPhones and Androids in the same manner as I would compare model airplanes. One one hand, you have the Snap-It model airplanes (iPhone) that are easy, you don't have to use glue, virtually no skill is needed, and it looks like it does on the box, as the manufacturer intended, it just works. I like them for their simplicity.
On the other hand, you have higher level model airplanes that require some knowledge of cutting, sanding, gluing, and attention to detail (Android). In the hands of someone skilled (like many on this forum), it will pretty much substitute for the real thing after you've added all of the custom touches. I like them for the patience needed to fine tune every detail.
Of course, there are those in the middle who like a little bit easy, but also like to feel as if they've actually done something worth their while (iPhone jailbreakers, beginning rooters). These can go either way, they can look really good, or they can look like garbage. Two different worlds, two different crowds.

phatmanxxl said:
In ten seconds. Apple +1 Android +20
Let us know how many days he lasted until he returned his iPhone and got back on android.
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It's been a week since he wasted his money and downgrading. So I will see and let you know
From the official iPhone killer.

Jye75 said:
I like to compare iPhones and Androids in the same manner as I would compare model airplanes. One one hand, you have the Snap-It model airplanes (iPhone) that are easy, you don't have to use glue, virtually no skill is needed, and it looks like it does on the box, as the manufacturer intended, it just works. I like them for their simplicity.
On the other hand, you have higher level model airplanes that require some knowledge of cutting, sanding, gluing, and attention to detail (Android). In the hands of someone skilled (like many on this forum), it will pretty much substitute for the real thing after you've added all of the custom touches. I like them for the patience needed to fine tune every detail.
Of course, there are those in the middle who like a little bit easy, but also like to feel as if they've actually done something worth their while (iPhone jailbreakers, beginning rooters). These can go either way, they can look really good, or they can look like garbage. Two different worlds, two different crowds.
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Good analogy.

phatmanxxl said:
Good analogy.
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I second that, well done on the analogy.

A guy sold his saws-all and got a hand saw, I asked him why he said "It just works"
Its like throwing out the bait caster reel (yes there is a learning curve) and using a bamboo rod to fish, meh "It just works"
"It just works" is a reason when you have no reason.

I hope they have a healthy credit card (for the app store) and good eyesight (screen). That's what it boiled down to for me. You should start laying wagers on how long it will take until they come back to Android.

If the iPhone works better for him, then great. It is a phone, not a competition. There is no reason to be offended if someone likes a different phone than you.
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"it just works" is a pretty valid excuse for any idiot to purchase an iphone.

Jye75 said:
I like to compare iPhones and Androids in the same manner as I would compare model airplanes. One one hand, you have the Snap-It model airplanes (iPhone) that are easy, you don't have to use glue, virtually no skill is needed, and it looks like it does on the box, as the manufacturer intended, it just works. I like them for their simplicity.
On the other hand, you have higher level model airplanes that require some knowledge of cutting, sanding, gluing, and attention to detail (Android). In the hands of someone skilled (like many on this forum), it will pretty much substitute for the real thing after you've added all of the custom touches. I like them for the patience needed to fine tune every detail.
Of course, there are those in the middle who like a little bit easy, but also like to feel as if they've actually done something worth their while (iPhone jailbreakers, beginning rooters). These can go either way, they can look really good, or they can look like garbage. Two different worlds, two different crowds.
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Can not be explained any better!
+1
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cnstarz said:
"it just works" is a pretty valid excuse for any idiot to purchase an iphone.
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To add to that, some people prefer iPhone bcoz its easy to use. Well if they think they are children/90 year olds then surely iPhone is great for them!
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Its funny my 3 year old daughter knows her way around mine and her sisters' android phones.

I played around with my brother ifail it feels to restricted to me. Can't do half the basic things my epic can do. The fact it has a only built in battery is a no no for me. I can't see my self ever owing an ifail. Apple is just a phone wanting to be an Android.
From the official iPhone killer.

Well He is correct about the sync smoothness. Everything iCrap makes has seamless sync. Thats all iCrap has going for it compared to Android. Not to mention the proprietarinism of iCrap.
BTW, ask him what does he do when he needs more ROM or a replacement battery. Also ask him how many Widgets he is using.

rdisanza said:
BTW, ask him what does he do when he needs more ROM or a replacement battery. Also ask him how many Widgets he is using.
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this is stupid because he obviously doesn't have a care in the world about roms, widgets, or replacement batteries. not a single **** is given.

i get faster data speeds than iphone than the epic touch. Something is wrong with the modem/radio on the touch
Honestly, from switching over to the iphone 4s this past weekend, iphone 5 here i come.

cnstarz said:
this is stupid because he obviously doesn't have a care in the world about roms, widgets, or replacement batteries. not a single **** is given.
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when he said ROM, i think he meant Read-Only Memory (storage space).
this is a huge issue at my sprint store. people bringing back 16GB iphones constantly, "doesn't hold as much as my android did, need a bigger iPhone"
i don't take offense when people want an iPhone. it is a very well built device. but i do have a few problems with their decisions
1. It is NEVER based on fact. its based on whats popular, how awesome their friends told them it was. same with the htc evo. it was a great phone no doubt, but FACTUALLY, the samsung epic 4g had better hardware. people just knew the evo name.
2. I ask each and every customer what the reason is for choosing the iPhone, so that we may determine together what is the best choice for them. the ONLY viable reason, "i already own a mac and an iPad". Wonderful, let me ring that up for you. if you already have heavily invested into the Apple Ecosystem, there is no reason to have an android. but most of them dont have one. its cool? thats a pretty hefty investment for cool...
3. "it just works" or "it doesn't have any problems". FALSE. last week, i had a customer tell me his iphone was superior to my E4GT because "iphones NEVER freeze, but every android ive seen does". The argument was concluded in .08 seconds on google. every device has its problems. at my store, there have been MORE iphone problems than E4GT problems (we are also a repair store). at a sister store, just the opposite. so "working better" is NOT a valid argument...
4. Apple's business ethics rival that of Enron. a poster said earlier that its not a competition. you're right, because apple CANT compete. you can gauge their level of fear in relation to the lawsuits and doctored photos they have. how many lawsuits between samsung lg htc motorola? they just try to outperform... not put each other out of business. and if they DID put each other out of business, it would be ''may the best man win''. not, ''shut em down because im scared to lose sales''.
5. finally, if youre ok getting on board with a completely closed OS, thats fine. but then, my average customer, wants to know how to make their iphone do what their buddys s2, RAZR, or htc can do. (see uninformed decision). i just dont want anyone telling ME what to do with MY stuff once ive paid for it. would you buy a tv from a company that told you what channels to watch? i wouldnt. but if so, get an Apple TV LOL
/rant
have a great day!

Thinking about going for the Iphone this time

Hi,
I always had android phones (galaxy's, notes & nexuses) but it always seemed like the iOS ecosystem was better, software wise.
From the outside it seems that they are getting better apps, faster updates (even to big apps) and of course they have the iMessage that all of my friends from the US uses and is a huge part of why I want to swich. (I'm from europe).
What do you guys think? Should I jump ship once and see how it is?

If thats what you want

tal123 said:
Hi,
I always had android phones (galaxy's, notes & nexuses) but it always seemed like the iOS ecosystem was better, software wise.
From the outside it seems that they are getting better apps, faster updates (even to big apps) and of course they have the iMessage that all of my friends from the US uses and is a huge part of why I want to swich. (I'm from europe).
What do you guys think? Should I jump ship once and see how it is?
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I actually like many people used iPhones but here I am.
Do you really think on a board like XDA, in the Pixel XL forum you are going to get everybody telling you how great iPhone is?

AstroDigital said:
I actually like many people used iPhones but here I am.
Do you really think on a board like XDA, in the Pixel XL forum you are going to get everybody telling you how great iPhone is?
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Truly. This is an android enthusiast forum. If you want an iphone, go get one. Don't expect that recommendation from anyone here, though.

I think that there could be good points for both sides. it's no different then pixel vs any other flagship.

Yeah, no, it's very different. IOS vs Android, not Android vs Android. This being an android specific forum, you're not likely to find much in the way of love for the iphone 7 here.

I think it is always weird to have iOS vs android discussions in a specific phone's forum. That seems like a more general topic better discussed elsewhere.
This forum us for talking about this phone...
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Lack of a back button is reason alone to stay on Android!

I know and understand your frustrations with Android. I've been an avid android fan since the OG Droid came out. What a phone and I loved it. Pure simple and open Motorola did a great job with that phone. Fragmentation ruined that phone and most every android phone since. The thing I hated apple for was the reason andtroid was so frustrating. To this day I get sick of looking at my wifes Iphone, it looks almost exactly the same as the original Iphone, if she puts wallpaper or a photo on her phone its just covered up by the icons that apple stick there and thats annoying to me anyway. Customizing your Iphone without jailbreaking lol... even the name lets you know how they feel about messing with their phone. Let's see Android is rooting Apple is jailbreaking even in a simple adjective they let you know don't touch fall in line with everyone and like it! I really domn't like the concept of Apple sorry, it's my phone I paid for it I should be able to do whatever I want as long as I'm not intruding on the rights of others and I'm sorry I do't see how customizing my phone would bother anyone. What they did and still do have right is they control the quality of the products in their app store and Andropid has dropped the ball on that one since the beginning. looking back they were trying for numbers not quality to compete and it has cost them. The quality of apps on the iphone is better and in saying that Android is catching up. These are basically the same apps written for different platforms. Ive seen it with my wifes phone for years I get so many more force closings amnd associated other problems than she does and I can hear her frustrations when using my phone. Like I said Android has been getting better and it's a heck of alot easier writing programs for one platform and one manufacturer. This is Androids problem each manufacturer has made alterations to Android AKA skins along with constant updates its tough on developers. The whole reason for Nexus was to give the developers a heads up and a chance to work with a pure version of android. I always loved the Nexus program and found that I personally had much fewer problems than my friends that had HTC, Samsung LG etc..... These manufacturers were never held accountable for upgrading on a timely fashion and neither were the providers aka verizon AT&T etc... this is why we are in the mess we are. I think and hope google has finally said enough! They have designed and engineered a top of the line flagship, one that is not outdated before the first box arrives. This phone is one people should be proud of it's fast and smooth its as close to pure android as possible oh I know Verizon put a few apps on it but they can be removed and give mne a break that's no big deal. It's a top quality phone that can stand up to the Iphone. Believe me if you know anyone that has drank the KoolAide and my wife has it certainly isn't going to change their minds and expecting that is not realistic. Google has given the developers a phone and a platform to work with and lets see how much of a difference this makes. I for one am hoping it makes as big a difference as Google thinks it will. I think incorporating with VR and home is swinging for the fences and I hope it's a home run.
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tal123 said:
Hi,
I always had android phones (galaxy's, notes & nexuses) but it always seemed like the iOS ecosystem was better, software wise.
From the outside it seems that they are getting better apps, faster updates (even to big apps) and of course they have the iMessage that all of my friends from the US uses and is a huge part of why I want to swich. (I'm from europe).
What do you guys think? Should I jump ship once and see how it is?
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I used an iPhone a number of years ago, jail broke it used Cydia the whole nine yards, once I started using Android devices I have NEVER looked back. In my position I get to try out different phones and some of the people at my company use iPhones. I have taken them home for weekend test drives just to see if I'm missing anything and after a day or so I find myself putting the SIM back in my current android device. I can't speak for you or what may be most important to you but for me I would not go back to ios.

yeah apple do a good job with software/hardware integration, but then it's to be expected with a heavily locked down device, it's the same reason they get updates first they are simpler to make stuff for.
but for me I've just always found Android way more flexible and I would rather have that flexibility. end of the day it all comes down to personal choice.