I have been searching for a teardown of DEB but cannot seem to find one. Does anyone know the differences in the hardware between FLO and DEB besides the obvious, one has a sim card and one doesnt.
Is the LTE capability integrated into the SoC on DEB but not FLO? If not, is the LTE chip located on the main board with the SoC or is it on the daughter board at the bottom of the tablet where the sim-card plugs in? Any help is appreciated.
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I have been searching for a teardown of DEB but cannot seem to find one. Does anyone know the differences in the hardware between FLO and DEB besides the obvious, one has a sim card and one doesnt.
Is the LTE capability integrated into the SoC on DEB but not FLO? If not, is the LTE chip located on the main board with the SoC or is it on the daughter board at the bottom of the tablet where the sim-card plugs in? Any help is appreciated.
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It's my understanding that Deb is relatively the same as Flo with the exception of data and full GPS capabilities. Many have flashed Flo ROM's on Deb devices and they will work but will not have data and full GPS capabilities, which defeats the purpose of having a Deb. An actual Deb teardown I have not done though.
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I don't remember seeing it anywhere, but can I flash Deb roms on my flo? Theoretically, it should be fully functional (the flo, that is...), but I haven't had the guts to try as yet.
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I don't remember seeing it anywhere, but can I flash Deb roms on my flo? Theoretically, it should be fully functional (the flo, that is...), but I haven't had the guts to try as yet.
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I'm only stating what I've heard people doing. Trying is at your own risk.
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I don't actually care to try...I was just curious. Curiosity isn't enough of a reason for me to run that risk.
I've flashed deb roms onto my flo in the course of doing testing: yes it will flash and boot fine.
I forget if it would work without bugs (testing mainly consisted of making sure it boots and nothing major is broken, like wifi, screen, or touch)
Obviously you wont magically get cellular support, it'll be like how it already is: the rom will simply see a radio that cannot connect/sense any type of network.
The biggest hardware difference is obviously the lack of the modem, it's an external module like on all S600 devices.
Software wise there isnt that much major differences:
They use the same bootloader
They use the same kernels
At launch they had the same basebands (flo's never gets updated though info on wiki)
The actual drivers and roms are not identical though, at the very least they're built in both 'deb' and 'flo' configurations, at the very least they have different names inside the drivers
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I have been searching for a teardown of DEB but cannot seem to find one. Does anyone know the differences in the hardware between FLO and DEB besides the obvious, one has a sim card and one doesnt.
Is the LTE capability integrated into the SoC on DEB but not FLO? If not, is the LTE chip located on the main board with the SoC or is it on the daughter board at the bottom of the tablet where the sim-card plugs in? Any help is appreciated.
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My experience is that some ROMs will work between the "Deb" and "Flo" models but others won't. Some are even advertised as being bisexual. :silly:
It's entirely possible for the hardware on both models to be exactly the same, with some deeply rooted firmware switch to activate LTE. I'd think from a manufacturing and inventory management point of view, it'd be cheaper to build one version due to less tooling and inventory holding costs.
douger1957 said:
I'd think from a manufacturing and inventory management point of view, it'd be cheaper to build one version due to less tooling and inventory holding costs.
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Regardless of if the modem is in flo or not, there's no sim card tray on flos.
They could hypothetically use deb boards that otherwise work 100%, except somehow recieved a faulty modem chip,
but without a sim tray you wouldnt be able to do much with just that.
Many old tegra 2 based tablets had a PCI-E mini slot (PCI-E mini can do either PCI-E and/or usb, only the latter was actually available and that was what was used) where the modem went, you could likely solder in a slot on the wifi model and get the same modem elsewhere, but you'd need to also get a sim slot and tray to actually make it useful.
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I recently purchase a epic 4g, and to my surprise look on phonearena.com to compare it to the nexus S. I found this is what the have in common:
Same processor clocked at same speed
Same screen(epic 4g is slightly bigger)
Same cameras(front and back)
And everything else
Only difference:
Epic 4g's hard keyboard
My questions is, will nexus s roms also work on it, has anyone tried? Thanks
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I recently purchase a epic 4g, and to my surprise look on phonearena.com to compare it to the nexus S. I found this is what the have in common:
Same processor clocked at same speed
Same screen(epic 4g is slightly bigger)
Same cameras(front and back)
And everything else
Only difference:
Epic 4g's hard keyboard
My questions is, will nexus s roms also work on it, has anyone tried? Thanks
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umadbro? In your theory too many HTC phones would have universal ROMs...
Frankly speaking, never. Differences lie in where you can't usually see, like touch panel controller chip, SD card support, baseband (Nexus S is strictly a GSM/HSPA phone, while E4G is CDMA/WiMAX), storage size and partition table, etc... No devices are the same or, say, near-identical enough to make ROMs universal (that is, with the exception of some "unbranded" phones that are shipped to different manufacturers just to make their shells, so hardware could be identical)
However, based on this similarity across all phones with S5PC110 CPU ("aries" board), ROM codes can be shared to a certain extent, and some ROMs can be easily ported from Nexus S 4G to E4G or vice versa.
Satisfied?
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umadbro? In your theory too many HTC phones would have universal ROMs...
Frankly speaking, never. Differences lie in where you can't usually see, like touch panel controller chip, SD card support, baseband (Nexus S is strictly a GSM/HSPA phone, while E4G is CDMA/WiMAX), storage size and partition table, etc... No devices are the same or, say, near-identical enough to make ROMs universal (that is, with the exception of some "unbranded" phones that are shipped to different manufacturers just to make their shells, so hardware could be identical)
However, based on this similarity across all phones with S5PC110 CPU ("aries" board), ROM codes can be shared to a certain extent, and some ROMs can be easily ported from Nexus S 4G to E4G or vice versa.
Satisfied?
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Thanks, guess I'll get to porting. I just thought that it might be possible because you can use samsung fasicanate roms on the samsung mesmerize.
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Thanks, guess I'll get to porting. I just thought that it might be possible because you can use samsung fasicanate roms on the samsung mesmerize.
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No, these are almost identical phones actually (look at the shape and model number). Mesmerize is just a re-carrier-branded Fascinate with (minor) baseband difference.
Noob here who has decided on Samsung note 10.1 for my first tablet ... but which one? Looking for fastest performance and longevity. Does the added mobility of 4G degrade performance during WiFi operation? ... are there disadvantages other than related costs?
tx in advance!
I will advice the 4G version because it have the Snap800 like processor and have the 4G that is better and faster like 3G.
Finally, the Snap800 will have more support from dev then the 3G with the Exynos by Sammy
The trade-off will be reduced battery life most likely if traveling in weak LTE areas.
I'm leaning towards SD800, especially after what I saw in the picture
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Thank you for your replies. Looks like only the 4G version has the faster SnapDragon800. Ok that's settled.
Between32 and64, will the 64 remain faster as the memory folk
fills up or is it all the same in respect to performance?
Tx for answering my dumb questions!
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Thank you for your replies. Looks like only the 4G version has the faster SnapDragon800. Ok that's settled.
Between32 and64, will the 64 remain faster as the memory folk
fills up or is it all the same in respect to performance?
Tx for answering my dumb questions!
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I wouldn't say that the sd is faster just yet, there are no real benchmarks out there just yet for the new octo core 5420, based on the few cryptic leaks they seem to think that the new octo might be a tiny bit faster. Im not going to jump to any conclusions just yet, I would preffer the sd800 on my device if only for the cyanogenmod support
Will you be able to use this device as a phone? As in does it have a dialer that you can use with a regular SIM like the old one?
I'm getting the one with the Snapdragon processor in it.
Sammy promised that they will include HMP (Heterogeneous Multi Processing) in their 5xxx processors . Ie; they will make s4,note3 and note 10.1 to real octa core processors through a software upgrade (say kernel upgrade)...so guess , which will have higher performance , sd or exynos? ? ? ?
And also exynos version will have wolfson audio DAC in it , so exynos defeats sd in audio performance
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I would welcome an LTE model on Verizon except it will be limited to 16GB of storage and I just won't accept that. You need 32GB or higher internal storage for apps not medial content that is what the microsd is for.
Phone 2G
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Will you be able to use this device as a phone? As in does it have a dialer that you can use with a regular SIM like the old one?
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I think I read that the phone version (which won't be sold by US cellular companies) is limited to 2G. I would love to hear differently.
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I would welcome an LTE model on Verizon except it will be limited to 16GB of storage and I just won't accept that. You need 32GB or higher internal storage for apps not medial content that is what the microsd is for.
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Whoa..that's completely unacceptable (I'm Verizon). Agree on 32 min. Where can I find spex on Verizon's version?
The spec sheet Mashari_F posted helps differentiate among variants but I'm still not clear.
I'll likely have to wait until later in Nov. for my own good ... see how users are feeling about SD VS. OCTA and see what Verizon puts out vs. Wifi.
Tx!
16GB should be fine, I have tons of apps and games installed on my 16GB old note 10
and still have 4-5GB left, if you are planning on installing huge games like nova 3 (I think it takes up 2.2GB) then you might want to consider the 32GB instead
if you root and have a nice size microsd handy, you really wont have to worry about it
So, if you want the best CPU, you have to buy the version with a cell radio in it? That's kinda dorky, since I can just tether to my phone. But I guess if I want the best CPU I gotta buy the 4G (that I won't use).
NaxIonz said:
So, if you want the best CPU, you have to buy the version with a cell radio in it? That's kinda dorky, since I can just tether to my phone. But I guess if I want the best CPU I gotta buy the 4G (that I won't use).
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Yes, sure.
Because Snap800 support LTE.
And Snap800 version will be better then Exynos
See the S4, the S600 have more support that Exynos Octa...
We dont know which is more powerful yet, this is the new octa core, not the old one
Wait for benchmarks from the new one to see
Joey22688 said:
We dont know which is more powerful yet, this is the new octa core, not the old one
Wait for benchmarks from the new one to see
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lol, benchmarks...
I won't see bench, because they don't have a lot of sense.
Snap800 will be supportated because devs know the architecture and they always have the source code...
Isn't the same for the Exynos...
It's like S3 for the Cyano
So, ATM, Snap > Exynos
Guich said:
lol, benchmarks...
I won't see bench, because they don't have a lot of sense.
Snap800 will be supportated because devs know the architecture and they always have the source code...
Isn't the same for the Exynos...
It's like S3 for the Cyano
So, ATM, Snap > Exynos
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Samsung released the kernel source for the Exynos version a few days ago (sammobile.com/2013/09/20/samsung-releases-kernel-source-for-galaxy-note-10-1-2014-edition). I'm not very familiar with all the lingo, so please enlighten me: Is this not (all) the source code that devs need to do their thing?
Can someone explain why someone buys an expensive note 10.1 only to install cyanogenmod and lose all the exclusive features? (Spen, multiwindow, ir blaster, and some other things)
Just buy a nexus 10 or wait for the new one if you are going to do that
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Samsung released the kernel source for the Exynos version a few days ago (sammobile.com/2013/09/20/samsung-releases-kernel-source-for-galaxy-note-10-1-2014-edition). I'm not very familiar with all the lingo, so please enlighten me: Is this not (all) the source code that devs need to do their thing?
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The big problem there isn't the source code, this was an older problem, but the structure of the partition and the core.
If a dev will build a kernel, the source are here.
But, trust me, snap have a source code more easy, it's quadcore, and we know all about this.
Joey22688 said:
Can someone explain why someone buys an expensive note 10.1 only to install cyanogenmod and lose all the exclusive features? (Spen, multiwindow, ir blaster, and some other things)
Just buy a nexus 10 or wait for the new one if you are going to do that
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No sense.
There isn't any sense...
In fact, i will buy it only for the feature of the tab, not for the Cyano rom
Maybe, someone, will work on a tweaked rom Touchwiz based.
I haven't looked into the files etc. in the ROMs, but from looking at the physical hardware specifications they are VERY similar in terms of processor, GPU, RAM, internal storage etc. The question I have is whether they should be very easy to port from one device to the other? Are the drivers for the sAMOLED massively different from the LCD in the Tab Pro?
I may have a go flashing one of the Tab S 10.5 ROMs on to my Tab Pro 10.1 and see what happens...
Does anyone know if there is anything obvious which would prevent it from working? Other than the model ID checks obviously...
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I haven't looked into the files etc. in the ROMs, but from looking at the physical hardware specifications they are VERY similar in terms of processor, GPU, RAM, internal storage etc. The question I have is whether they should be very easy to port from one device to the other? Are the drivers for the sAMOLED massively different from the LCD in the Tab Pro?
I may have a go flashing one of the Tab S 10.5 ROMs on to my Tab Pro 10.1 and see what happens...
Does anyone know if there is anything obvious which would prevent it from working? Other than the model ID checks obviously...
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I wouldn't try flashing a ROM for a different device on your Tab Pro, you could get yourself into a lot of trouble and you could end up with a Bricked tablet!!!!!
^^^
NJ72 said:
looking at the physical hardware specifications they are VERY similar in terms of processor, GPU, RAM, internal storage etc.
Does anyone know if there is anything obvious which would prevent it from working?
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???? Look again. The Pro uses a Snapdragon 800 SoC from Qualcomm, the S an Exynos SoC from Samsung.
BTW, there is a sticky in this forum indicating that questions belong in the Q&A/Troubleshooting section, not here. The mods will move it shortly.
Apologies for putting in the wrong section.
that aside, the tab pro 10.1 comes with the exynos chipset here in the UK. The 5420 to be precise, the exact same chipset that the tab s comes with. The only differences between the tab pro 10.1 and the tab s 10.5 is the SAMOLED and the S-pen compatible touch matrix.
I know there are variants of the tab pro with snapdragon chipsets, but the 10.1 is exynos.
FYI
Having had a bit of a mess around with some of the ROMs for the SM-T800 (Galaxy Tab S Exynos) I managed to get some pleasing results. Some elements don't work, mainly the keyboard and WiFi at the moment (presumably they use different wireless chipsets). Managed to fix the Wifi but still working on some other bits and pieces.
May contact a ROM dev who works on the Tab S and see if I can produce a port of one of their ROMs. Mainly interested to see if I can port over a Lollipop ROM but thought starting with a 4.4.2 one was a good shout.
In the most light-hearted of ways - SHUN THE NON-BELIEVER!
If everything works as planned i'll set up a ROM port in the general development section of the forum. :good:
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Having had a bit of a mess around with some of the ROMs for the SM-T800 (Galaxy Tab S Exynos) I managed to get some pleasing results. Some elements don't work, mainly the keyboard and WiFi at the moment (presumably they use different wireless chipsets). Managed to fix the Wifi but still working on some other bits and pieces.
May contact a ROM dev who works on the Tab S and see if I can produce a port of one of their ROMs. Mainly interested to see if I can port over a Lollipop ROM but thought starting with a 4.4.2 one was a good shout.
In the most light-hearted of ways - SHUN THE NON-BELIEVER!
If everything works as planned i'll set up a ROM port in the general development section of the forum. :good:
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Kudos to you. I have a 10.1 pro and the chipset is Exynos (I'm in UK). Interested in the port which is likely to be successful. I'm also interested in rooting it whilst keeping Knox 0x0.
Thanks
shayind4 said:
Kudos to you. I have a 10.1 pro and the chipset is Exynos (I'm in UK). Interested in the port which is likely to be successful. I'm also interested in rooting it whilst keeping Knox 0x0.
Thanks
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Will keep ars***g about as it is still uber buggy and I don't have permission from creators to distribute yet but will keep you posted.
Currently using the new 'flat UI' which looks and performs great.:highfive:
NJ72 said:
Will keep ars***g about as it is still uber buggy and I don't have permission from creators to distribute yet but will keep you posted.
Currently using the new 'flat UI' which looks and performs great.:highfive:
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Hi
Any progress with the port?
THanks
How's this looking?? Exciting to see Stock LP work , love to see this available for SMARY T320!! Great job people :
NJ72 said:
I haven't looked into the files etc. in the ROMs, but from looking at the physical hardware specifications they are VERY similar in terms of processor, GPU, RAM, internal storage etc. The question I have is whether they should be very easy to port from one device to the other? Are the drivers for the sAMOLED massively different from the LCD in the Tab Pro?
I may have a go flashing one of the Tab S 10.5 ROMs on to my Tab Pro 10.1 and see what happens...
Does anyone know if there is anything obvious which would prevent it from working? Other than the model ID checks obviously...
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Any luck here?? Looking at all the hardware and software I believe the files are identical and only differentials are ram, processor, display.
LG G3 VS985 SkyDragon LP
If I've helped you please hit the thanks!! ? ?
Apologies people, not made much headway recently as work has been manic (I'm a 25 year old IT account manager so free time is a rarity!)
I am still awaiting a response as to whether I can kang some bits from other ROMs as well so will do some chasing and see where we can get
I have been running my mash-up for a little while and there's still lots to fix before it becomes useable...
I'm glad people are interested in this, though
One thing to one of the posters, this is just a 'flat UI' style ROM based on 4.4.2/4.4.4 so is NOT a full LP ROM - that may change, but I haven't played with kernels enough yet to try and lob LP on it properly.
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Keep trying your best. We are waiting. Do let us know if we can help.
Shayind4
NJ72 said:
Apologies people, not made much headway recently as work has been manic (I'm a 25 year old IT account manager so free time is a rarity!)
I am still awaiting a response as to whether I can kang some bits from other ROMs as well so will do some chasing and see where we can get
I have been running my mash-up for a little while and there's still lots to fix before it becomes useable...
I'm glad people are interested in this, though
One thing to one of the posters, this is just a 'flat UI' style ROM based on 4.4.2/4.4.4 so is NOT a full LP ROM - that may change, but I haven't played with kernels enough yet to try and lob LP on it properly.
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Willing to so what I can. Love to see some LP action on the Tab Pro line. Especially the SM T320
A questions for any Australians out there , or anyone else that has the answer.
I have seen a lot of posts about the USB-C versions (2.0 vs 3.1 etc), I have also asked Samsung Aus directly and they cannot provide me an answer......(not sure why). Maybe they cant until the phone is released.
But i would like to know what version the Australian model will have......2.0 or 3.1?
This is the model number that comes up on my order; SM-N930FZKAXSA
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A questions for any Australians out there , or anyone else that has the answer.
I have seen a lot of posts about the USB-C versions (2.0 vs 3.1 etc), I have also asked Samsung Aus directly and they cannot provide me an answer......(not sure why). Maybe they cant until the phone is released.
But i would like to know what version the Australian model will have......2.0 or 3.1?
This is the model number that comes up on my order; SM-N930FZKAXSA
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As far as I'm aware all the Galaxy Note 7's have USB-C 3.1
Actually, disregard that... I just had a look around, apparently it varies from one chipset to the next. I'm guessing the Qualcomm Snapdragon models may have 3.1 and Australian Exynos models 2.0, but not 100% sure.
valamer said:
As far as I'm aware all the Galaxy Note 7's have USB-C 3.1
Actually, disregard that... I just had a look around, apparently it varies from one chipset to the next. I'm guessing the Qualcomm Snapdragon models may have 3.1 and Australian Exynos models 2.0, but not 100% sure.
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See, i thought they were all the same until i started digging around as well. Now im confused.
It would be nice to think that being the latest unit it would have 3.1, but i guess it depends on the chip handling it......and in saying that, dont the Exynos chips run better than SD? Im not tech savvy with that so i could be completely wrong in my thought process.
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See, i thought they were all the same until i started digging around as well. Now im confused.
It would be nice to think that being the latest unit it would have 3.1, but i guess it depends on the chip handling it......and in saying that, dont the Exynos chips run better than SD? Im not tech savvy with that so i could be completely wrong in my thought process.
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They are both very close in performance, but in majority of videos comparing the Exynos & SD variants of the Galaxy S7 the Exynos comes out as the better performer, although I did see one video that the SD variant won, so not sure what was going on there. The bigger difference it seems is that Qualcomm releases always up to date source code which is needed to get all components of their platform working on AOSP, Samsung does not, so many people tend to like the SDs more for this reason. But in the US the bootloaders are locked down by the phone carriers so they can't modify the software on them anyway.
So I need a tablet and have incredibly low budget and I found some ridiculously cheap N7 2013, then I proceed to browse XDA to learn how to overclock it (no tuning no life) before buying and start reading all those names "Flo" and "Deb". What do they mean???
Searching for the SoC I found references to 3 different models, "APQ8064–FLO", "APQ8064–DEB" and "APQ8064–1AA". So I thought "ooh, so those names refer to the SoC the tablet is using, Flo for Wifi and Deb for LTE.
But the N7 2013 is listed as being powered by the 1AA version so I still don't know what the heck
Any idea please??
Just like you said : flo =wifi, deb = lte version
Same hardware, just pick what you need.
PD: Different rom (and custom rom) versions
snake218 said:
Just like you said : flo =wifi, deb = lte version
Same hardware, just pick what you need.
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And what happen with the soc?? Why Are there 3 versions with those names??
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And what happen with the soc?? Why Are there 3 versions with those names??
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Not 100% sure, but i think 1AA is the soc number, flo and Deb just to distinguish wifi/lte. Don't worry about that.