Is stock 4.3 better or worse update? - Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I have upgraded stock 4.3 device in my note 2 twice but i have noticed that its actually worse than before because it take 48 to 50 percent RAM when no applications are running in the background. System also take more space in internal memory. Gallery is looking bad as compare to 4.1.2. You get many security message and apps get forced closed..You can only pull down notification bars by dragging it from center and before you can pull it down by dragging from top corners as well. You also had all setting in one page before unlike in 4.3 where they divided system setting in 4 parts
The only improvement i found was the move to SD feature which was missing before, gear watch support is useless for anyone who don't have this watch so how is your experience and what are the improvement you noticed in 4.3 update which appeared after so long time but did not bring much improvement

Your question is not clear enough. Better or worse in comparisin to which rom??
Well, it depends on which features you want.
I am on cyanogenmod 10.2 because they have some cool stuff inside....
Some stock features i miss are the easy share via wifi-direct and the calendar.
But brings the stock 4.3 the new 'KNOX' security made by samsung?
If it is true, then you will loose your unsafed date if you root your device.
This is the main reason why i have changed to the Cyanogenmod.
But if you want to keep the touchwiz and the samsung features, look for a rom based on touchwiz

I am on Criskelo 4.3 and even though I am not fan of custom ROMs and prefer to have stock rooted ROM and then modify it with Xposed, I must say that 4.3 (and Criskelo) is just great. I had it for like 6-7 days, of which 2 days I was installing/restoring apps and had to reboot several times, but last 5 days I didn't reboot it and it has been working like a clockwork. The battery life is roughly the same, but it does feel a lot smoother. And I am NOT saying this after flashing clean ROM, but after restoring all of my +400 apps. So I don't want to advertize here, but I am 100% satisfied so far and for me 4.3 is better in terms of performance than 4.1.2.

Rajaasim1980 said:
I have upgraded stock 4.3 device in my note 2 twice but i have noticed that its actually worse than before because it take 48 to 50 percent RAM when no applications are running in the background. System also take more space in internal memory. Gallery is looking bad as compare to 4.1.2. You get many security message and apps get forced closed..You can only pull down notification bars by dragging it from center and before you can pull it down by dragging from top corners as well. You also had all setting in one page before unlike in 4.3 where they divided system setting in 4 parts
The only improvement i found was the move to SD feature which was missing before, gear watch support is useless for anyone who don't have this watch so how is your experience and what are the improvement you noticed in 4.3 update which appeared after so long time but did not bring much improvement
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There is one more thing which make N7100XXUEMK4 or later worse - the KNOX Bootloader (or KNOX Warranty Bit in Odin Mode). If you're trying to root the device, the KNOX Warranty changes to 1, which means you will lose your warranty FOREVER. Even Samsung says the warranty bit can't be zero-ed. It changes to 1 when you are:
1. Trying to root,
2. Downgrading to previous version without KNOX Bootloader.
Hope this would help you.
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HIT THANKS IF I HELPED YOU :good:
Device that I'm using right now: Samsung GALAXY Note II International N7100
Firmware: Latest N7100XXUEMK4 with KNOX Bootloader *NO!!!, somebody please help me remove this idiot BL*
Recovery: CWMR Touch v6
Root: Hell yeah, of course!

obazda said:
Your question is not clear enough. Better or worse in comparisin to which rom??
Well, it depends on which features you want.
I am on cyanogenmod 10.2 because they have some cool stuff inside....
Some stock features i miss are the easy share via wifi-direct and the calendar.
But brings the stock 4.3 the new 'KNOX' security made by samsung?
If it is true, then you will loose your unsafed date if you root your device.
This is the main reason why i have changed to the Cyanogenmod.
But if you want to keep the touchwiz and the samsung features, look for a rom based on touchwiz
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Well I was comparing official stock 4.3 TW ROM with previous stock 4.1.2 TW. This official update suppose to bring more improvement but I felt its opposite as its less stable than before
How is battery life of CM/AOSP ROM compare to TW?
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This is my battery life with cm 10.2- 20131216-nightly
(Note 2/N7100)

obazda said:
This is my battery life with cm 10.2- 20131216-nightly
(Note 2/N7100)
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I get 8 hour screen on time after heavy 3g/hspd data usage with display consume 70 percent battery and its on stock 4.1.2
And also how much RAM your system consume when no applications are running after killimg apps in task killer ?
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It is not such easy as you may think... First i habe some other apps which restarts instantly,
and second - if you just compare the Roms by their battery life... Than i would commend for example the RevolutionHD TW based Rom which has a Vetter battery life (i've never used it, but they advertise with this). I thinkbthey made the Samsung release a bit Mord stable , too
I think that the ressources which our phones provide are enough, so we can choose a Rom with the features we want to use. In cm for example they have released a secure SMS encoding -> WhisperPush.
It is like everyone sais... It depends in your requirements...

When I update my phone because im rooted I always go into recovery mode and format internal sd card and update that way you dont get all left over files from previous version always best to do fresh update after you have backed up all you files

Rajaasim1980 said:
I get 8 hour screen on time after heavy 3g/hspd data usage with display consume 70 percent battery and its on stock 4.1.2
And also how much RAM your system consume when no applications are running after killimg apps in task killer ?
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High RAM usage is not a bad thing. The system preloads some of the apps that you may frequently use, and when they are loaded to the RAM, you can open them faster.
You can also disable some of the apps that come with your stock 4.3 by opening the app details from Apps list.
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AzureV said:
High RAM usage is not a bad thing. The system preloads some of the apps that you may frequently use, and when they are loaded to the RAM, you can open them faster.
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I guess people just like to buy phones with 2Gb of RAM and have 1.5Gb FREE sitting there doing nothing - You won't convice them not to worry about RAM, they don't seem to realize RAM is there to be used....

dalanik said:
I guess people just like to buy phones with 2Gb of RAM and have 1.5Gb FREE sitting there doing nothing - You won't convice them not to worry about RAM, they don't seem to realize RAM is there to be used....
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MORE free RAM make multitasking faster and smoother otherwise why did they upgraded RAM from 512 MB to 1/2/3 GB..if you are using 95 percent of your RAM then it can slow down your device and tahstwhy we have task killer and software which release RAM
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On the contrary - if more RAM is used that means system is using it to speed things up Task killers are not doing anything, if they did - Google would include one in Android. I now use Cirskelo 4.3 and my RAM usage is higher than on 4.1.2 stock. But ROM is faster. Noticably. How would you explain that?

task killer are garbage..the apps you kill will automatically start itself back...and that will wasting your battery juice.

dalanik said:
On the contrary - if more RAM is used that means system is using it to speed things up Task killers are not doing anything, if they did - Google would include one in Android. I now use Cirskelo 4.3 and my RAM usage is higher than on 4.1.2 stock. But ROM is faster. Noticably. How would you explain that?
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Sorry you are not making any sense. These manufacture are not stupid to come up with 2/3 gb RAM if there is no use of it and what ROM is faster vary person to person. I have found 4.1.2 more stable and faster than all 4.3 ROMS I have tried so far
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Rajaasim1980 said:
Sorry you are not making any sense. These manufacture are not stupid to come up with 2/3 gb RAM if there is no use of it and what ROM is faster vary person to person. I have found 4.1.2 more stable and faster than all 4.3 ROMS I have tried so far
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Well you believe manufacturers are NOT stupid - but you believe Google is stupid in designing Android?

4.3 firmware
Rajaasim1980 said:
I have upgraded stock 4.3 device in my note 2 twice but i have noticed that its actually worse than before because it take 48 to 50 percent RAM when no applications are running in the background. System also take more space in internal memory. Gallery is looking bad as compare to 4.1.2. You get many security message and apps get forced closed..You can only pull down notification bars by dragging it from center and before you can pull it down by dragging from top corners as well. You also had all setting in one page before unlike in 4.3 where they divided system setting in 4 parts
The only improvement i found was the move to SD feature which was missing before, gear watch support is useless for anyone who don't have this watch so how is your experience and what are the improvement you noticed in 4.3 update which appeared after so long time but did not bring much improvement
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I have found the new update to 4.3 outstanding, but...I did have to remove knox and get rid of some bloat. It performs outstanding and I am very pleased. Luckily being a member here, made it easy to research and use the methods supplied by all the pro's here.

When switching between roms always format internal sd card as I have learnt if you dont it doesnt matter if you do a fresh stock rom flash with odin it still leaves files behind hope this helps
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DaveyRepairs said:
When switching between roms always format internal sd card as I have learnt if you dont it doesnt matter if you do a fresh stock rom flash with odin it still leaves files behind hope this helps
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I don't believe you have to format internal SD. If you erase CACHE, that should be enough. I didn't erase Internal SD and flashed 4.3 and everything works just fine. This is time-consuming and totaly unnecessary (to back up everything to a PC and then restore), and what's the point anyway if you're restoring? And if you don't restore, you'd loose all your data. games progress, etc. So I'd suggest first try without - if you have problems, you can always format it.

dalanik said:
I don't believe you have to format internal SD. If you erase CACHE, that should be enough. I didn't erase Internal SD and flashed 4.3 and everything works just fine. This is time-consuming and totaly unnecessary (to back up everything to a PC and then restore), and what's the point anyway if you're restoring? And if you don't restore, you'd loose all your data. games progress, etc. So I'd suggest first try without - if you have problems, you can always format it.
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My phone is 16gb sometimes when I dont format the internal sd I end up with 6gb free but now I end up with 9gb free
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4.2.2 The bad

Well all things were fine on 4.2.1 and then this update comes,
This is what i noticed so far,
1.Phone is EXTREMELY laggy when downloading from play store
2.Browser quick controls are bugged
3.Lots of launcher crashes
4.Alarm icon in the notification disappears while it's still active
5.Random lag spikes while navigating in de drawer or homescreen,
As far as i go, this is the laggiest jelly bean version, maybe google just got lazy, or they're working on another version of Android (fingers crossed)
EDIT: I'm not talking about custom roms and such, and i'm not willing to flash, i like stock
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First:
Do a full wipe!
Flash STOCK ANDROID JB 4.2.2 (I mean stock, and not CWM flashable stock ROMs with root..)
Use stock Android launcher (Just stock, not modded or anything else)
And then Stop complaining!
I'm on cm10.1 4.2.2 and is probably the smoothest ROM I have ever been on.
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Even I'm using panaroid but i din feel any laggish or bug. May b its a problem which have been created without new boot loader from Google ?
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ray3andrei said:
Well all things were fine on 4.2.1 and then this update comes,
This is what i noticed so far,
1.Phone is EXTREMELY laggy when downloading from play store
2.Browser quick controls are bugged
3.Lots of launcher crashes
4.Alarm icon in the notification disappears while it's still active
5.Random lag spikes while navigating in de drawer or homescreen,
As far as i go, this is the laggiest jelly bean version, maybe google just got lazy, or they're working on another version of Android (fingers crossed)
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1. Use a custom kernel and tweak the read ahead buffer size. With sio io scheduler and 256k buffer size i made the lag minimal for me.
3+5 : use nova launcher and it will be fine
4: it works fine here, make sure you do clean installs.
As a last advice I must say to flash the factory image via fastboot. It is absolutely fine with no issues. I installed it on 2 gnex' already and no problems with lag.
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manumanfred said:
First:
Do a full wipe!
Flash STOCK ANDROID JB 4.2.2 (I mean stock, and not CWM flashable stock ROMs with root..)
Use stock Android launcher (Just stock, not modded or anything else)
And then Stop complaining!
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Stock android is far away from perfect now. JDQ39 is nowhere near rock stable JZO54K. My friend. Scrolling lag is not the matter of clean installation. I've tested five 4.2.2 based roms, including stock all of them lags as hell after a while - it can be one or two days or couple of hours. Actually it's been the most evident of stock and it concerns scrolling between homescreens, lockscreens, recents. A lot of people have experienced it and it's been already reported to google issue tracker. I've already tested stock, cm10.1 m2, PA 3.1 0309, XenonHD 6.0 - all of them lags after a while. At the moment I am testing Purity and I haven's seen lag for two days.
Te easiest way to reproduce the bug. Please do not reboot your devices, and do not change wallpapers for about two days.
Same here, on CM10.1 Play Store is now smooth but was bad on XenonHD.
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I am 100% stock... My phone flies.. No lags nor bugs or redraws...
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sam razzy said:
Even I'm using panaroid but i din feel any laggish or bug. May b its a problem which have been created without new boot loader from Google ?
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No. Your problem is more than likely the former.
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forever_lol said:
Stock android is far away from perfect now. JDQ39 is nowhere near rock stable JZO54K. My friend. Scrolling lag is not the matter of clean installation. I've tested five 4.2.2 based roms, including stock all of them lags as hell after a while - it can be one or two days or couple of hours. Actually it's been the most evident of stock and it concerns scrolling between homescreens, lockscreens, recents. A lot of people have experienced it and it's been already reported to google issue tracker. I've already tested stock, cm10.1 m2, PA 3.1 0309, XenonHD 6.0 - all of them lags after a while. At the moment I am testing Purity and I haven's seen lag for two days.
Te easiest way to reproduce the bug. Please do not reboot your devices, and do not change wallpapers for about two days.
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Well I don't understand where do you see the lags. Because I don't have any lags on my nexus.
The speed also depends what kernel you are using and how much free Memory you have on your nexus..
I'm using my own ROM which is based of stock Android ROM and I have actually never experienced any lags.
Yesterday I got few apps after using apple's BT mouse and when I set up multi users.. But all the lags went away when I rebooted.
thegtfusion said:
As a last advice I must say to flash the factory image via fastboot. It is absolutely fine with no issues. I installed it on 2 gnex' already and no problems with lag.
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How do I do this?
Not sure if this has been discussed or not I searched and found many bugs but none that meet this specific issue.. I noticed that since I updated to the 4.2.2 leak on my Toro Nexus there have been a few issues:
Audio from the pogo pin dock stopped working.
Car mode goes off and on randomly as well as the charging bolt when the phone should be charging.
Phone goes into daydream mode even when not being charged..
Turning on bluetooth randomly reboots the phone on occasion and other random bugs.
I think I'm going to flash back to the previous OTA. I'm stock unlocked, unrooted, just the way I like my Nexus (for now). In no way is this a complaint, more my observations and a last shot in the dark to see if anyone has overcome these issues in the latest leaked "OTA."
On a side note, other than the dock and power issues, everything has been smooth. No lag etc...
fireknuckles said:
... I think I'm going to flash back to the previous OTA....
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Ok so I realize I don't know how to do this without resetting all data. From what I've read, the only way back includes wiping all data. Am I wrong? Is there a way for me to go back without wiping? I'm not super versed in all things Android but I think I recall flashing back to a previous OTA in the past to get another OTA to work without wiping. I can't find that thread anywhere so I'm probably mistaken. Any help?
Edit: I re-read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1626895 and determined that it can be done without wiping for folks that aren't noobs. I consider myself a noob at this point so I'm stuck with this 4.2.2 update until I find an easier way.
fireknuckles said:
Ok so I realize I don't know how to do this without resetting all data. From what I've read, the only way back includes wiping all data. Am I wrong? Is there a way for me to go back without wiping? I'm not super versed in all things Android but I think I recall flashing back to a previous OTA in the past to get another OTA to work without wiping. I can't find that thread anywhere so I'm probably mistaken. Any help?
Edit: I re-read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1626895 and determined that it can be done without wiping for folks that aren't noobs. I consider myself a noob at this point so I'm stuck with this 4.2.2 update until I find an easier way.
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It's the same as flashing a rom! Use Titanium backup to backup the apps, and custom recovery to wipe data/factory reset, cache and dalvik cache. Format /system, /data, /cache , and downgrade with the toolkit w/o format when it ask. So for less than an hour you will downgrade, and keep music, videos and photos. So the only thing you lose is programs, but you can restore them whit titanium, and that is!
manumanfred said:
Well I don't understand where do you see the lags. Because I don't have any lags on my nexus.
The speed also depends what kernel you are using and how much free Memory you have on your nexus..
I'm using my own ROM which is based of stock Android ROM and I have actually never experienced any lags.
Yesterday I got few apps after using apple's BT mouse and when I set up multi users.. But all the lags went away when I rebooted.
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Lags what I am talking about is low fps scrolling that appears after some time of normal usage. I've never experienced it on 4.1.2 or 4.2.1. It has nothing to do with the kernel. (BTW aren't we talkin about the stock one?) Problem is still present on custom kernels and even OCed CPU. It looks rather like some sort of memory leak. Reboot or changing wallpaper is a workaround solution for this issue. So yeah if you reboot your device quite often you most probably won't see this bug.
If you want to read more about this issue visit this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2178962
Except this bug I really like the 4.2.2 rom, these new features. I consider it as an improvement from 4.2.1.
I agree, 4.1.2 was polished more. 4.2.2 is better then the initial 4.2 release, but still has a way to go. We'll see what IO brings soon.
wisefreakz said:
I am 100% stock... My phone flies.. No lags nor bugs or redraws...
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+1
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manumanfred said:
First:
Do a full wipe!
Flash STOCK ANDROID JB 4.2.2 (I mean stock, and not CWM flashable stock ROMs with root..)
Use stock Android launcher (Just stock, not modded or anything else)
And then Stop complaining!
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Yeah i did that 2 weeks ago, and it just got laggy again
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ray3andrei said:
Yeah i did that 2 weeks ago, and it just got laggy again
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Ok.. Hmmm.....
Are you using custom kernel?
And which apps are running in background? E.g. Currents, Google+. FB...
And if you use custom kernel then make sure you use CPU governor that doesn't make Android slower or laggier..
I have actually never had any lags on my Nexus, I use 100% stock kernel, sometimes CM's kernel. I have free memory 2,10 GB of 13 GB (16GB GNex)..
Also I recommend to use some cleaner apps to delete unnecessary files..
For cleaning a bit my Nexus I use "Mobile Care" on Windows it is "ASC"
Which deletes e.g. Cache and junk files..
manumanfred said:
Ok.. Hmmm.....
Are you using custom kernel?
And which apps are running in background? E.g. Currents, Google+. FB...
And if you use custom kernel then make sure you use CPU governor that doesn't make Android slower or laggier..
I have actually never had any lags on my Nexus, I use 100% stock kernel, sometimes CM's kernel. I have free memory 2,10 GB of 13 GB (16GB GNex)..
Also I recommend to use some cleaner apps to delete unnecessary files..
For cleaning a bit my Nexus I use "Mobile Care" on Windows it is "ASC"
Which deletes e.g. Cache and junk files..
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Like i said, i'm 100% stock, and i see a lot of people having these issues as well..
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[Q] Xperia Arc S performance advice

So I'm stuck in a contract with my Xperia Arc S until next year but it has virtually ground to a halt. I have to wait 10+ seconds for my messages to open on a good day. Every app takes a long time to do anything and I've had to limit my app usage heavily due to this.
I close all non-essential apps through the Manage Applications option of the Settings regularly and still I only really have approx >20 MB RAM left at any point.
I also delete all my messages regularly and don't use any other message applications aside from the stock app.
I'm not running ICS, but rather the original Ginger Bread that came with the phone.
I've tried using a different Home Launcher app to reduce the number of home screens, but it had very little noticeable impact.
My question is what do I do? I'm happy to root, install custom roms etc at this point, I just want my phone to be useable until I upgrade next year.
I have some experience with Android phones but very little technical knowledge to do with hacking/rooting devices so you'll have to bear with me. Any advice will be much appreciated.
Cheers
If you are a casual user and you don't need high performance, I recommend upgrading to ICS. ICS update hasn't got the best performance (in fact the GPU is slower than in GB), but you'll get enough free memory for casual usage.
If you are looking a bit of both, I recommend either using CM or CM based roms. If you got used to Xperia look and feel, put this ROM, for better battery life put stock CM. But beware, unlocking the bootloader will void your warranty, so if you think that you will run into issues and can't fix them yourself, do not unlock it.
I've no experience with Ginger Bread, but maybe clearing app cache and rebooting the phone every one or two days could help?
If the performance once was better and you don't want to root: save your apps, messages and contacts and do a factory reset.
stay on gingerbread, root yout phone, remove useless system app and install greenify.
kaz93 said:
stay on gingerbread, root yout phone, remove useless system app and install greenify.
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This
Or try to install some custom rom, they have previusly removed all useless stuff.
I upgraded to ICS to give it a go before I did a factory reset, and I'm really surprised to say my phone has never been faster. Managed to unlock a lot more RAM, app management seems to be a lot less stunted and easier to implement. A few more stock apps than GB and I prefer the look. I'm a bit confused at all the posts saying ICS is worse. Maybe it will slow down over time, but just right now I feel like I got a new phone.
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I upgraded to ICS to give it a go before I did a factory reset, and I'm really surprised to say my phone has never been faster. Managed to unlock a lot more RAM, app management seems to be a lot less stunted and easier to implement. A few more stock apps than GB and I prefer the look. I'm a bit confused at all the posts saying ICS is worse. Maybe it will slow down over time, but just right now I feel like I got a new phone.
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If you do not notice the tiny details, you do not notice them.
When you open the phone pad, it does take a while to open it. The notification LED does not work (not performance related though) and some other issues.
Someguyfromhell said:
If you do not notice the tiny details, you do not notice them.
When you open the phone pad, it does take a while to open it. The notification LED does not work (not performance related though) and some other issues.
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....all this bugs(and many others) are fixed now
Inviato da me!
Someguyfromhell said:
If you do not notice the tiny details, you do not notice them.
When you open the phone pad, it does take a while to open it. The notification LED does not work (not performance related though) and some other issues.
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Compared to how my phone was the phone pad is lightning fast. I haven't actually noticed the LED thing but now that you mention it. Of course I'm aware of the CPU issues and other stuff, but I've spent the last few months getting really miffed at my phone because it was basically an expensive brick which took years to open a message and the really negative consensus about ICS put me off updating which has solved all my casual user issues.
Now that I know about this site, I'm going to get to know Android a bit better, but for now the tiny details are negligible for me at least.
Just checked my LED and it works fine for all the notifications I receive.
kaz93 said:
stay on gingerbread, root yout phone, remove useless system app and install greenify.
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Greenify is for HoneyComb and above... You can't install it on GB.
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Greenify is for HoneyComb and above... You can't install it on GB.
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Oh, okay, my mistake then..sorry

[Q] Is it finally time to upgrade? EVERYTHING seems so slow...

I was hoping to get maybe a little longer out of my gnex, considering that IMO i dont do very taxing things, and when i bought it - those things seemed to work fine.
In the past few months, i started using google music - and the phone is simply too slow to keep up. Besides that, all i do is listen to a few podcasts, gmail, etc, but everything seems like its in slow motion. Chrome is unbearable - i just avoid using it anymore. The funny thing is that i dont remember this phone being THAT slow. I know overtime, my definition of slow will change as faster phones come out, but i have almost no experience with anything newer than my phone. Even my captivate seems about as fast as the nexus - which is a VERY old phone.
Right now im running slimbean from about a month ago.
Anyone else having these troubles? Anything i can do to speed it up a bit?
Im probably gonna pick up a gs4 nexus once i see it for a little less than its selling for now. Which model is the best to buy? Id be running AOSP software on whichever one i pick, so strictly hardware wise - which is the best? Do i want the one from korea with the octacore whatever - or should i go with ATT/tmobiles version? Which version does google play sell? What about the gs4 active? Ive heard the internals are a bit different, and its not AMOLED like the others.
Thanks for any advice!
I'm running PA 3.65 on lk 7. Oc'd to 1.3 ghz. Phone seems pretty fluid to me. Definitely there is a difference between my phone and say, a Galaxy s3, but it's not to where it makes me feel my phone is obsolete. Plus, the gnex has a great development base with not only Roms but kernels as well. This extends the lives of our devices greatly. I plan to stick and wait it out a while longer myself.
My advice, delve deeper into your gnex and try some more combinations and tweaks. See if there's something you could do. Currently I've been on a governor binge--trying all the various governors, looking for the best for me, battery-wise and performance. Overall I'm happy.
Hope this helps.
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lourivellini said:
I was hoping to get maybe a little longer out of my gnex, considering that IMO i dont do very taxing things, and when i bought it - those things seemed to work fine.
In the past few months, i started using google music - and the phone is simply too slow to keep up. Besides that, all i do is listen to a few podcasts, gmail, etc, but everything seems like its in slow motion. Chrome is unbearable - i just avoid using it anymore. The funny thing is that i dont remember this phone being THAT slow. I know overtime, my definition of slow will change as faster phones come out, but i have almost no experience with anything newer than my phone. Even my captivate seems about as fast as the nexus - which is a VERY old phone.
Right now im running slimbean from about a month ago.
Anyone else having these troubles? Anything i can do to speed it up a bit?
Im probably gonna pick up a gs4 nexus once i see it for a little less than its selling for now. Which model is the best to buy? Id be running AOSP software on whichever one i pick, so strictly hardware wise - which is the best? Do i want the one from korea with the octacore whatever - or should i go with ATT/tmobiles version? Which version does google play sell? What about the gs4 active? Ive heard the internals are a bit different, and its not AMOLED like the others.
Thanks for any advice!
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I'm on stock 4.2.2 which is rooted and I've modified certain elements using Paul O'Brien's MoDaCo Toolkit (which uses the Xposed Framework Mod). I think about upgrading from time to time but never because I feel I need to. I am more than happy with my Galaxy Nexus (bearing in mind I don't play intensive games).
I would wait a bit longer and see what the LG Optimus G2 is like and maybe upgrade early 2014. The next Nexus might be released in November anyway.
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if u want the S4, go for the Snapdragon version coz it has more development goin on
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My phone is amazingly fast. I dont zee any lag and I dare tot say it is faster then my friends sgs3. I am using XenonHD 11.1 and Aspk b11 kernel..
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mrgnex said:
My phone is amazingly fast. I dont zee any lag and I dare tot say it is faster then my friends sgs3. I am using XenonHD 11.1 and Aspk b11 kernel..
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+1 to that
maybe time slowed down for him xD
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"Upgrade" to android 4.1 and your phone will suddenly seem like less of a bag.
Seraz007 said:
+1 to that
maybe time slowed down for him xD
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At least he can try
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mrgnex said:
My phone is amazingly fast. I dont zee any lag and I dare tot say it is faster then my friends sgs3. I am using XenonHD 11.1 and Aspk b11 kernel..
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I don't think the phone is really slow, it's just that the amount of memory available is starting to be a problem. When you have plenty of memory the phone is fine, but between the OS, Chrome, the new Hangouts, the new Music player, and whatever else you have running you can quickly run out of memory and when all your background apps are restarting the phone is definitely not smooth.
Since 4.2.2 the Gnex started to be more laggy. If you use a custom rom and kernel (i.e. CM 10.1 based rom and fancy or franco or ak kernel) you can indeed tweak it up so it feels quite fast again, then again, the battery drains like crazy, a solution for this is buy an extended 3800mAh battery (I've one in my Nexus and it at least doubles the battery life, means you EASILY get through the day, even with overclocked settings and heavy use).
Imo it's still a very nice device.. But don't expect quad core performance from a 2011 dual core phone
My Note 2 with AOSP 4.2.2 rom absolutely is a beast and battery life is awesome (stock 3100mAh battery).
So long story short, if you overall still like your nexus: install CM 10.1 and i.e. fancy kernel, overclock it to about 1.4GHz, get the extended 3800mAh battery and it will make a big difference already to stock.
If you have enough money aside and feel like having something new, get a SGS4 or HTC One (awesome design), or if you like a big screen on top of that like me, I definitely recommend the Note 2 (it's considerably cheaper than the SGS4 and in terms of performance with irl use the difference is not really noticeable), or wait for the Note 3 .
When is a downgrade an upgrade?
lourivellini said:
I was hoping to get maybe a little longer out of my gnex, considering that IMO i dont do very taxing things, and when i bought it - those things seemed to work fine.
In the past few months, i started using google music - and the phone is simply too slow to keep up. Besides that, all i do is listen to a few podcasts, gmail, etc, but everything seems like its in slow motion. Chrome is unbearable - i just avoid using it anymore. The funny thing is that i dont remember this phone being THAT slow. I know overtime, my definition of slow will change as faster phones come out, but i have almost no experience with anything newer than my phone. Even my captivate seems about as fast as the nexus - which is a VERY old phone.
Right now im running slimbean from about a month ago.
Anyone else having these troubles? Anything i can do to speed it up a bit?
Im probably gonna pick up a gs4 nexus once i see it for a little less than its selling for now. Which model is the best to buy? Id be running AOSP software on whichever one i pick, so strictly hardware wise - which is the best? Do i want the one from korea with the octacore whatever - or should i go with ATT/tmobiles version? Which version does google play sell? What about the gs4 active? Ive heard the internals are a bit different, and its not AMOLED like the others.
Thanks for any advice!
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Before you write your phone off, try going back to 4.1.2. I've been using MiNCO v5 (which was my favourite 4.1.2 ROM, comes with franco's milestone 6 and is super stable and minimal.) Just flash v2.1 of this transformation pack as if it were a gapps package (actual gapps are already built into the ROM)
Your phone will have all the 4.2.2 goodies (except toggles and LS widgets, but there's an app for that) with none of the slow sluggish feel.
Try it. I promise you won't be disappointed.
P.S This mod and crossbreeder are the only 2 additions I'd STRONGLY reccomend. The first unifies the "holo" theme of stock JB (read the thread, it's awesome!) and the second does some amazing things which include system wide adblocking and smooth DNS caching just for starters.
P.P.S If you go back to 4.1.2 just make sure you have the latest radio for your region and DON'T RESTORE SYSTEM APPS FROM TITANIUM BACKUP.
thanks for all the responses. I think ill try the few roms and kernels you guys suggested before bailing on this phone. I personally like my rom to be as close to stock as possible, which is why ive been using slim bean for so long. I think ill try CM first before any other rom, or possibly going back to 4.1 like someone suggested.
Since available memory is probably the issue, is it worth using titanium backup to freeze apps that I never use? I dont use hangouts or anything like that.
Like i said i really dont ever play games or anything, these are the only apps I ever use:
Stock apps: phone, gmail, messaging, calendar, camera, gallery, calculator, clock, play store
aldiko
chrome
doggcatcher
drive
dropbox
fitbit (does not sync with tracker)
gmote
keep (installed but i never really use)
maps/nav/street view
NOVA launcher (forgot about this - could this be the source of my lag?)
play music (like i mentioned this destroys my phone)
reddit is fun
screen filter
seekdroid
smart voice recorder
swype (much better than stock gestures)
tapatalk
titanium backup
voice
youtube
Gonna go try some roms and report back.
@Seraz007 - which is the snapdragon version? The one google is selling directly?
@kaoskilo - how do i know which radio i should be using? I use AT&T and im located in CT, USA.
lourivellini said:
thanks for all the responses. I think ill try the few roms and kernels you guys suggested before bailing on this phone. I personally like my rom to be as close to stock as possible, which is why ive been using slim bean for so long. I think ill try CM first before any other rom, or possibly going back to 4.1 like someone suggested.
Since available memory is probably the issue, is it worth using titanium backup to freeze apps that I never use? I dont use hangouts or anything like that.
Like i said i really dont ever play games or anything, these are the only apps I ever use:
Stock apps: phone, gmail, messaging, calendar, camera, gallery, calculator, clock, play store
aldiko
chrome
doggcatcher
drive
dropbox
fitbit (does not sync with tracker)
gmote
keep (installed but i never really use)
maps/nav/street view
NOVA launcher (forgot about this - could this be the source of my lag?)
play music (like i mentioned this destroys my phone)
reddit is fun
screen filter
seekdroid
smart voice recorder
swype (much better than stock gestures)
tapatalk
titanium backup
voice
youtube
Gonna go try some roms and report back.
@Seraz007 - which is the snapdragon version? The one google is selling directly?
@kaoskilo - how do i know which radio i should be using? I use AT&T and im located in CT, USA.
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Try greenify instead of faffing about with freeze and unfreeze in TB. Also, this might be the radio you want, I'm not sure if you're gsm or cdma on AT&T (I'm from the UK) so the best way is to check in your settings on your current setup:
Settings>About phone>Baseband version
Though I'd highly recommend reading the thread just to check, it's amazing how big the change is when using an out of date radio.
pfmiller said:
I don't think the phone is really slow, it's just that the amount of memory available is starting to be a problem. When you have plenty of memory the phone is fine, but between the OS, Chrome, the new Hangouts, the new Music player, and whatever else you have running you can quickly run out of memory and when all your background apps are restarting the phone is definitely not smooth.
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I'm no expert but it seems to me that Android devices are similar to Windows in respect to slowing down over time. I think the complexity of today's apps contribute greatly to a phones alitity to keep up but not as much as you may think. I uses chache cleaner ng to get rid of a good portion of garbage on a regular basis and once in awile a fresh flash really speeds things up again. Don't forget about all those apps we think we need but never use. Get rid of them.
I ran errands today Streaming Slacker Radio, running navigation, and answering and making phone calls and my phone never game me a reason to think it was time to a new one.
Here is my solution - I suffered the same problem like you.
First, it has nothing to do with low memory. Android stops "old" apps, if it needs memory. There are about 1 million posts about that (wrong) story - but no one wants to listen to it
The problem is that the storage is not trimmed properly. You can use Lagfix to trim storage. Try it, it will work.
But the real solution is to factory reset your mobile (I mean wiping everything, restore the original system and root again). This way the storage will be trimmed too and it will be blazing fast again. If you leave at least 3GB free storage, the slowdown won't happen too soon again. Although a 4.2.2 ROM will then be fast too, the real speed you will only get with 4.1.2 (I'm using Liquidsmooth 2rc8 - fast, stable, feature rich).
That's my experience and I won't change my ROM until Android 5 is out... :fingers-crossed:
I get where you're coming from, but the GNex has a dual-core processer, with 1gb of RAM, if its feeling slow because you've been playing with you're friends quad-core phones with twice the RAM, then its definitely time to upgrade because no matter what ROM or Kernel you use, you're going to notice the difference. IMO I love my GNex, I'm running AOKP 4.2.2 and I couldn't be happier for the moment. However, when the Nexus 5 comes out I'll be the first in line.
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(I'm using Liquidsmooth 2rc8 - fast, stable, feature rich).
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Do you have a download link? I can only find that ROM for other devices than GNex.
I'm coming from Liquid Smooth 2.5 and running CM 10.0 since a few days. So far so good, but I'm missing a few features of Liquid Smooth and would love to give it a try again... Thanks!!
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hudl said:
First, it has nothing to do with low memory. Android stops "old" apps, if it needs memory. There are about 1 million posts about that (wrong) story - but no one wants to listen to it
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I know how Android memory management works, and that's exactly what I'm taking about. When apps get stopped it makes the phone slower because the apps need to be started again when you go back to them.
hudl said:
Here is my solution - I suffered the same problem like you.
First, it has nothing to do with low memory. Android stops "old" apps, if it needs memory. There are about 1 million posts about that (wrong) story - but no one wants to listen to it
The problem is that the storage is not trimmed properly. You can use Lagfix to trim storage. Try it, it will work.
But the real solution is to factory reset your mobile (I mean wiping everything, restore the original system and root again). This way the storage will be trimmed too and it will be blazing fast again. If you leave at least 3GB free storage, the slowdown won't happen too soon again. Although a 4.2.2 ROM will then be fast too, the real speed you will only get with 4.1.2 (I'm using Liquidsmooth 2rc8 - fast, stable, feature rich).
That's my experience and I won't change my ROM until Android 5 is out... :fingers-crossed:
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Trimming /data trims the storage as well as storage is /data/media. I don't think every phone is affected by this trim problem as they don't all use the same emmc (see the trim thread in this forum).
I also agree with you 100% that 4.1.2 performed a lot faster for me than 4.2.2 on my Galaxy Nexus. I don't think the hardware of the Galaxy Nexus or even the Nexus 7 fully handled Android 4.2 smoothly. Software optimizations could improve that. Actually on my HTC One on the GE (AOSP like) version of 4.2.2, the UI could get a little jittery.
While I agree with you that Android killing apps is normal when it runs low on memory, I can confirm CM10 killed apps a lot less often than CM10.1. Even with the memory leak patches implemented earlier this year into CM10.1, my RAM would get low enough that the lowmemorykiller would kick into gear a lot more often than CM10. I don't think this is the only cause of slowness in Android 4.2 but it can contribute. The most likely candidate is systemUI which Google changed how it works as in 4.2 it shows the background on the launcher in recents instead of overlaying recents on top of your current app. As that has to load the wallpaper from the launcher it may slow down if it has to pull it from memory.
PS. You say you won't change your ROM until Android 5 is out but 4.3 may fix a lot of the issues in 4.2 and the updated bluetooth support is a must have for users with Low Energy devices.
lourivellini said:
thanks for all the responses. I think ill try the few roms and kernels you guys suggested before bailing on this phone. I personally like my rom to be as close to stock as possible, which is why ive been using slim bean for so long. I think ill try CM first before any other rom, or possibly going back to 4.1 like someone suggested.
Since available memory is probably the issue, is it worth using titanium backup to freeze apps that I never use? I dont use hangouts or anything like that.
Like i said i really dont ever play games or anything, these are the only apps I ever use:
Stock apps: phone, gmail, messaging, calendar, camera, gallery, calculator, clock, play store
aldiko
chrome
doggcatcher
drive
dropbox
fitbit (does not sync with tracker)
gmote
keep (installed but i never really use)
maps/nav/street view
NOVA launcher (forgot about this - could this be the source of my lag?)
play music (like i mentioned this destroys my phone)
reddit is fun
screen filter
seekdroid
smart voice recorder
swype (much better than stock gestures)
tapatalk
titanium backup
voice
youtube
Gonna go try some roms and report back.
@Seraz007 - which is the snapdragon version? The one google is selling directly?
@kaoskilo - how do i know which radio i should be using? I use AT&T and im located in CT, USA.
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U live in the US? then u should've no problem gettin the snapdragon version
Snapdragon version is the quad core one not exynos( Octa core)
More devving for the Quad Core one since samsung didn't release exynos source code
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Galaxy Grand 4.2 update worth or not?

I found lot of reviews in net mentioned as dont download 4.2 in grand
After update battery affects a lot. Some rumour as ppi increased to 220
One good news user pointed able to swap apps from intetnal to external. Any other pros? Or I will stay in 4.1.2
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vignesh2k6 said:
I found lot of reviews in net mentioned as dont download 4.2 in grand
After update battery affects a lot. Some rumour as ppi increased to 220
One good news user pointed able to swap apps from intetnal to external. Any other pros? Or I will stay in 4.1.2
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how does they manage to swap apps from internal to external ? the mount path for sdcard are more than one.
vignesh2k6 said:
I found lot of reviews in net mentioned as dont download 4.2 in grand
After update battery affects a lot. Some rumour as ppi increased to 220
One good news user pointed able to swap apps from intetnal to external. Any other pros? Or I will stay in 4.1.2
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Battery backup is over 20 hours easily with decent usage around the clock on 4.2.2. With minimum usage it goes upto 30 hours for me, so battery has definitely improved.
ppi is the same but if you are rooted you can alter the DPI yourself in a minute
app moving is available on 4.2.2 to some extent but I would be lying if I said it worked properly for all apps.
But look wise 4.2.2 is better for sure in my opinion.
The only reason to stay on 4.1.2 would be to install unofficial CM10.1.3 by patwip
On side note, if you are facing battery drainage on either 4.1.2 or 4.2.2 you can simply go to Settings>Applications>All Applications and "Turn off" the useless apps like Samsung apps and cloud syncs that you don't need or use. Most of them eat a lot of your RAM and have too many triggers
vignesh2k6 said:
I found lot of reviews in net mentioned as dont download 4.2 in grand
After update battery affects a lot. Some rumour as ppi increased to 220
One good news user pointed able to swap apps from intetnal to external. Any other pros? Or I will stay in 4.1.2
Sent from my GT-I9082 using xda premium
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Yeah its totally worth it!
Please Don't Forget To Press The Thanks Button!! :thumbup:
My Devices:
(i)Samsung Galaxy Grand Duos(i9082) - Rooted With Gennxt ROM
(ii)Nexus 7(2012) - Rooted With Beanstalk ROM
my phone is one 4.2.2 after OTA update... its still lags a lot and battery drains a lot... 4.1.2 was better... did u guys do a wipe or clean after OTA update? normally OTA don't need that, but just asking cuz my phone is yet to see improvement.
did all the 4.2.2 updates..
rikkuartz said:
my phone is one 4.2.2 after OTA update... its still lags a lot and battery drains a lot... 4.1.2 was better... did u guys do a wipe or clean after OTA update? normally OTA don't need that, but just asking cuz my phone is yet to see improvement.
did all the 4.2.2 updates..
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Most of us have rooted grand, but you don't need to root or wipe anything after the update, the battery drainage is from too much RAM being used, which is why i mentioned this in my earlier post
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On side note, if you are facing battery drainage on either 4.1.2 or 4.2.2 you can simply go to Settings>Applications>All Applications and "Turn off" the useless apps like Samsung apps and cloud syncs that you don't need or use. Most of them eat a lot of your RAM and have too many triggers
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Anything that has a name (dont disable apps who dont have proper names like com.something), and you know you dont use it or is useless for you like live wallpapers, samsung apps, snote, splanner, google+, google books, music etc will have a "uninstall updates" or/and "Turn off" option which wont remove them from your phone but simply disable them and keep them from eating your RAM without reason
i am gonna try that! will report if i see any improvement...thanks
In one word, no. It lagged more than ever and plus, tha ugly "touchwiz" UI...LOL!
worth updating
I would say it improves the phones overall performance....yes the battery backup problem exists...butt we can use some apps to reduce the battery consumption...Lott of improvements including the lockscreen widgets...go for it....

Custom ROM - what is it good for?

Don't get me wrong, am flashing junkie but I really do not understand what are we all longing for a custom rom because custom rom in my understanding would need stable stock ROM to start which is what we are lacking now. So no matter whether recovery is now available or not custom rom do not make any sense until Samsung brings out stable stock rom.
I have LTE version rooted, knox intact, very lean and heavily debloated using the tools available, even running stock ROM designed for other region. My device flies and RAM hovers around 500MB. But for the life in me can't get the device to wake up quickly! Now I do not think no custom ROM can help me get that resolved until Sammie resolve that. Or make iannotate run without lag unless the developers (who acknowledge the issue which is due to high screen resolution) bring out a resolution.
Or am I wrong? I stand corrected because I also believe XDA developers can sometimes do the impossible.
The devs can tinker with things behind the scenes and make it even faster along with debloating it. Those are the main advantages in my eyes. Plus some will add features not available in the stock rom.
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I'm sure a few things can be added. The last update tree definitely made it faster and smoother I don't see the need to root as much on the tablets. On the phones I always root to get "free" hotspot.
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ive had no issues with stability. the only problem is with general lag, something that shouldn't exist on a device with these specs. I'm just hoping it's not because the gpu and cpu can't handle the reolution.
I don't think a debloated rom will have any advantages over a stock with frozen apps (other than download size). since the apps reside in the 6Gb system partion we really don't frre up any useable space.
Open up multi app to any app.
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Android is based on Linux and should be using as much ram as possible. You can do a web search but having tons of ram free does not help android.
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I've always rooted my phones. Had the S4 for about a week now, unrooted, and frankly I notice ZERO difference in terms of my day-to-day usage. The only thing that's changed is that I'm not flashing things.
I like custom ROMs because of all the crap that samsung loads on their devices. I want lean, mean and green. I don't use 1/10 of the crap they loaded this thing up with.
It's my tablet, let me choose what magazine app I use, or what news source I want to read.
You shouldn't have to freeze 30 apps just to get the device to behave the way you want.
I haven't seen much need for custom roms ever since xposed came along. With it I can fix the little things that irritate me about stock such as being unable to multi window some apps, and being unable to freeze some of the crap ware apps.
Often custom roms actually make your device less stable and these days there is rarely a noticeable gain in either battery life it smoothness.
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