Heads Up! Warning Letter: WiFi Tether app - Samsung Epic 4G Touch

Hey folks!
I just got a warning letter from Sprint. They're threatening to disable service for tethering. I did a bit of searching on the forums and have seen similar threads, but thought I'd contribute so others wouldn't get flagged like I did.
I'm using CM9 Beta 1 (older version), with FL24 modem, and using WiFi Tether app to tether. Data usage for September so far has been 4.66 GB. Specific usage for data (from tethering) primarily involves web browsing, Youtube videos, Hulu, and playing Guild Wars 2 x3/week for less than 3 hour sessions each.
I'm not sure what all they can or cannot track, so I will try a newer CM9 or CM10 and use wired tethering instead to see if that helps. If I get terminated, oh well. After surcharges and tax, I'm paying 160 for two lines. The other phone on the line is a basic flip phone, of all things. I use tethering since it's more ideal than the campus wifi here.
If push comes to shove and I get terminated, I'll check out T-Mobile since their signal is strong-ish in this area. Not sure what factor/s caused the flag letter, but just posting the info so you could perhaps avoid it!
Good luck folks! :highfive:

They will be able to tell that you are tethering, it doesn't matter what ROM you are using or how you are tethering.
All of the information is in the packets that are being sent on the network. Everything from what browser you are using, operating system, which version of flash/java you have installed, etc...
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Mattix724 said:
They will be able to tell that you are tethering, it doesn't matter what ROM you are using or how you are tethering.
All of the information is in the packets that are being sent on the network. Everything from what browser you are using, operating system, which version of flash/java you have installed, etc...
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Thanks for the info. From all the searching I've done across several different forums, this seems to be a consistent but very RANDOM problem (the letter). I wonder if they just do random checks on random people?? I saw a guy get a flag letter for using 100+GB, but I'm below 5GB. Is anyone else getting this letter?

Mattix724 said:
They will be able to tell that you are tethering, it doesn't matter what ROM you are using or how you are tethering.
All of the information is in the packets that are being sent on the network. Everything from what browser you are using, operating system, which version of flash/java you have installed, etc...
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The real question is what they are looking at. Truth is we probably won't know and things change.
Just looking at user agent strings in post and get requests will result in false positives when a user has their android browser using a Windows Chrome user agent string. Its not terribly intensive to spot check traffic on port 80 to see whats going on but probably not the most efficient or fool proof way. Especially when the heavier users of the network are not just casually using a web browser.
Desktop Youtube and Hulu are likely to raise flags. Even the most passive of monitoring will catch these 2. When a tower experiences any amount of unusual congestion someone is likely to take a look at why and see something usual triggers won't notify on. More active solutions are likely to notice an account without tethering connecting to a known game server IP on a known port. Not so much a problem with say hosted FPS servers more of a problem with MMO's.
If they know exactly what they want to look for its very easy to put an automated solution in place. They don't always know what a user is doing on the network and spot checks during unusual congestion will turn things up. All from network administration point of view less of an accurate carrier view though.

Hey guys an update on what I did.
I just got back and found an OK deal. I'm not sure what you guys were paying for Sprint, but I was paying (after taxes and surcharges) 160/mo. for two lines, unlimited data + 2k non cell-to-cell mins and unlimited everything else. I ended up going T-Mobile and it's looking like the bill will be around 130/mo for 3, not 2 lines. One will have unlimited data, the other two are basic flip phones. Everything else is unlimited.
After bugging the living crap out of the representative and asking repeatedly throughout the sales process, it seems like they have a more flexible, less technical data plan. If this is not true, I'll necro this thread sometime to let everyone know.
Although the 130/mo for 3 lines looks good on paper, I did have to put down (after taxes) $430 for the three phones (GS-4, x2 basic flip phones) - not a pretty amount. After bugging them about how much it cost, they at least gave me a zagg screen protector and some crappy.. body armor? body guard? phone case. Not bad.
I mentioned my usage with tethering in the original post. Should things go sour the same way it did with Sprint, I'll update this thread and let everyone know what happened in detail. Supposedly the rep at the store was an avid user for tethering as well, though he only hinted it, telling me there's little for me to worry from his 'personal' experience.
On another note, I did have an incident with Sprint in the past. My phone was evidently set on automatic connection and Sprint literally kicked my phone off the plan for something they called 'excessive roaming'. They claimed they sent me a warning letter beforehand.. and I'm sure they did. My desk is a mess. The guy over at T-Mobile told me roaming was truly unlimited, but I won't take my chances just in case.
Data speed differences in the Denver Metropolitan area are significant. Speed Test shows around 1.5mbps DL Sprint WiMax, 8.16mbps DL T-Mobile "LTE" (Someone told me T-Mobile LTE isn't 'real' LTE. Not sure on this). 10 tests each were done and averaged. 5 tests indoors, 5 tests outdoors.
Thanks for the responses/input - it helped me make my decision. This forum has always been nothing short of awesome. :good:

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[Help]Utorrent and VPN(Off topic)-Searching for advice.

I am in a bit of a pickle here and I figured that I would ask the most active and helpful forum community that I have ever came across and I hope that I am not bashed for doing so considering this really has nothing to do with the EVO.
I recently received a notification from my ISP about downloading copyrighted materials and was threatened that my interned may be shutoff if I do not stop downloading copyrighted materials. The thought of my service being shut off is a bit scary considering there is no other ISP in my area.
To make a long story short, I looked into the best possible solutions for avoiding getting caught and hiding my IP and it seems like either a VPN or a seedbox is necessary. My question is does anybody in this great community have any recommendations for a VPN or seedbox to use that you currently use or have used in the past and not had any problems with threats from your ISP?
Any advice is appreciated.
Thank you
I use utorrents built in ipfilter.dat to block known monitoring IP's
http://blocklistpro.com/download-center/ip-filters/
first go to Run and paste this %AppData%\uTorrent this will open up the folder where you put the ipfilter.dat file. then download the pipfilter.dat file extract it and paste the dat file in the folder you opened up earlier close utorrent and reopen it and your set on the logger tab you will see that it's loaded the file and how many entries its blocking.
I'm going to have to try that out. I've heard that the list never stays up to date with the most current known tracking ip's as they are always changing so the method becomes ineffective. Any problems so far for you?
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btguard is a good vpn, they also offer deep packet encryption incase you are getting sniffed rather than just ip spammed
jhoffy22 said:
I'm going to have to try that out. I've heard that the list never stays up to date with the most current known tracking ip's as they are always changing so the method becomes ineffective. Any problems so far for you?
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Yeah it's not regularly updated last update was December but it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside and I haven't been hit with a notice yet.
I use peerblock on windows. works great.
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NewZJ said:
btguard is a good vpn, they also offer deep packet encryption incase you are getting sniffed rather than just ip spammed
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The kind of stuff blows my mind. You're willing to pay $9.99 a month for (essentially) unlimited content. Why has no one in the media industry figured it out that people ARE willing to pay for unlimited content, provided the price is reasonable?
I never had any problems running Peerblock either, even downloaded content after others warned about the letters they recieved from the same torrent
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The kind of stuff blows my mind. You're willing to pay $9.99 a month for (essentially) unlimited content. Why has no one in the media industry figured it out that people ARE willing to pay for unlimited content, provided the price is reasonable?
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6.95/month I have it protect only my torrents, and I don't get throttled by comcast with it

[Q] Thoughts on the T-Mobile data throttling

Let's put our heads together a bit. There is a method to defeat the throttling on the G2X. This proves that the throttling is client-side, not server-side. Does this mean that the throttling on the G2 is still done locally (on the phone) too?
Fail from top to bottom.
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Wrong section. Should be in Q&A.
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Dead issue and topic
It is what it is....if you buy a gallon of milk, are you mad when its gone?
You know what you have, work with it.
If I need more than 2gb or 5gb, I would get home service and/or take advantage of wifi somewhere.
I personally dont like it but it is what it is. Adjust......
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2gb or 5gb you guys on tmous are lucky, our standard data plans in the uk come with 500mb or 750mb if your lucky. I have 1.5gb but it costs me an extra £10 on top of my base tariff.
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I agree with dwny, if you need more than the prescribed amount find a wifi hotspot or shell out for a static cable or dsl connection.
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Disagree totally a dev topic since it is system and coding related. please bring in link to g2x data throttling fix. If I Pay for an unlimited plan I don't want it limited.
Lol! That's too funny... Hey, I'd resurrect my old fix if it still worked and it would be it would be visible on the first page of our thread like it always was but its all controlled server side now. The guy in G2X thread hasn't had any real results because its based off my old hack. On occasion, a person will get the throttle message after going over their limit and not get throttled. That's just by luck and not by an edited services.jar.... just be wise and use as much data on wifi as you can and watch your limit. If you really need more, tmobile is offering a 10 GB data plan now for $60 lol! I know... its a rip off but its there if you really need it and don't have access to a real ISP...

Tethering with the Nitro

This may be a generic Android question and not so much a Nitro issue, but I'm new to android so I apologize if it's out of line.
I see that there are ways to tether built right into my stock software, but I'm afraid if I use them AT&T will pick it up and switch me from my Unlimited Data plan to a tethering plan. I've been told about PdaNet 3.0, but haven't yet downloaded that. Any thoughts?
They probably will. I would wait until there is a version of CWM or some other close to vanilla Android build for the phone personally.
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They probably will. I would wait until there is a version of CWM or some other close to vanilla Android build for the phone personally.
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Thanks for the reply, but it's a little over my head. From my minimal Android knowledge I think CWM means ClockWorkMod, but I don't really know what that is. I've got some learning to do.
I do get your point though.
AllstarE4 said:
This may be a generic Android question and not so much a Nitro issue, but I'm new to android so I apologize if it's out of line.
I see that there are ways to tether built right into my stock software, but I'm afraid if I use them AT&T will pick it up and switch me from my Unlimited Data plan to a tethering plan. I've been told about PdaNet 3.0, but haven't yet downloaded that. Any thoughts?
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been tethering with the native app for a while (edited the entitlement check line to activate it). No problems here. I don't abuse it though, just basic web browsing when i tether.
Yeah, CWM is ClockWorkMod. Basically, it's something dev's can use as a platform to create files to flash to your phone (including software that will take everthing back to stock if you mess up). It also provides a relatively simple, if initially intimidating, way for a user to install roms and other mods that devs provide.
Once CWM is on a phone, developers are able to make much cooler things to play with, from streamlined and customized stock roms, to completely different roms such as AOSP (Android Open Source Project) roms. These are stock android roms. You also can get CyanogenMod roms (Such as CM9 which is Icce Cream Sandwich) ported to your phone at that point. The AOSP and CM roms can take a while to get here, but devs can sometimes slip goodies like tethering into a customized version of the stock rom (the one from LG). They did on my phone anyway.
On any relatively new phone, there's always the wait till CWM is ported to the phone. After that, things pick up rapidly.
Hope this helps. I remember asking the same question (and many more like it). You get the hang of it real fast.
dalamchops said:
been tethering with the native app for a while (edited the entitlement check line to activate it). No problems here. I don't abuse it though, just basic web browsing when i tether.
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How did you edit the entitlement check? I probably still won't do it, but I am very curious. I don't trust carrier and manufacturer customized roms.
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dbjungle said:
How did you edit the entitlement check? I probably still won't do it, but I am very curious. I don't trust carrier and manufacturer customized roms.
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Check out page 6/7 in the LG Nitro Root thread in the dev section. You have to trigger the hotspot on once, to get AT&T to tell u that u don't have the proper plan, and the line will appear in line 66.
setting storange/settings.db/secure
Get there using SQLite editor.
E_Man,
When I get back to my computer I'll hit the thanks button. I have a lot to learn, but here's how I equate some of it.
Is CWM kinda like Cydia on the iPhone? I jailbroke my 3GS a few different times, but this android stuff is all Greek to me. There was always a tutorial to be found with every new jailbreak, but I've only seen one for rooting the Nitro and it's still over my head.
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Actually, using iphone terminology, cwm would be more like open iboot or something. It's a recovery mode that allows you to back up, restore, or install roms. There is no cydia equivalent in android afaik. Almost all the cool tools, tweaks, and apps are available in the market. Rooting is pretty much the same thing as jailbreaking.
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Malnilion said:
Actually, using iphone terminology, cwm would be more like open iboot or something. It's a recovery mode that allows you to back up, restore, or install roms. There is no cydia equivalent in android afaik. Almost all the cool tools, tweaks, and apps are available in the market. Rooting is pretty much the same thing as jailbreaking.
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Ah I see. I have noticed that most of the things I had to jailbreak for are already in the android marketplace. The availability of all of that and the freedoms that android offers are what made me ditch iOS. The main reason, though, is because I kept hearing how supportive the android community is. So far you guys seem pretty helpful. It's on me to learn as much as I can. I just have to find the right spot to start gaining info. Much of what I've come across is over my head.
You picked a good phone to convert to. The display on this phone is AMAZING!!! My HTC Inspire looks like a VGA monitor to me now.
Is anyone else using the built in tether option? Any foul play from AT&T?
I'm using it. Don't abuse much (other then listening pandora radio on laptop 8 hours a day), but other then that basic web browsing. So far so good, nothing from ATT (yet I already received sms when had Atrix, but then I was streaming movies from my computer at home, was going 20gb a month. Now I'm about 10gb a month (which I know is high), but it's all because of pandora, it would be the same if I was using phone's app for that anyway.
Although I'm not on contract and won't loose sleep if I have to switch company, for what I pay now I sure can find a better deal elsewhere.
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I'm using it. Don't abuse much (other then listening pandora radio on laptop 8 hours a day), but other then that basic web browsing. So far so good, nothing from ATT (yet I already received sms when had Atrix, but then I was streaming movies from my computer at home, was going 20gb a month. Now I'm about 10gb a month (which I know is high), but it's all because of pandora, it would be the same if I was using phone's app for that anyway.
Although I'm not on contract and won't loose sleep if I have to switch company, for what I pay now I sure can find a better deal elsewhere.
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Wow, nice. I am usually under 3 GB, but tethering on my HSPA+ Inspire was hardly a good experience. I'm sure I'll get above that if I tether on my Nitro. Glad to know you can get around 10 GB without them flipping out on you. I was under the impression you'll receive the SMS right over 5 GB.
Are you guys also on the unlimited data plan without the tethering feature?
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I was under the impression you'll receive the SMS right over 5 GB.
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I forgot to mention I'm in non-LTE area. Also as far as I can remember for at least 2 years, after 15th of each month they slow down the network from about 10am to 7pm from 800kb/sec to 80, regardless of my usage. Still its fast enough for pandora and little web browsing.
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I'm using it. Don't abuse much (other then listening pandora radio on laptop 8 hours a day), but other then that basic web browsing. So far so good, nothing from ATT (yet I already received sms when had Atrix, but then I was streaming movies from my computer at home, was going 20gb a month. Now I'm about 10gb a month (which I know is high), but it's all because of pandora, it would be the same if I was using phone's app for that anyway.
Although I'm not on contract and won't loose sleep if I have to switch company, for what I pay now I sure can find a better deal elsewhere.
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Wait a minute... You use 10GB a month tethering and don't get hassled by AT&T? I was told that with Android devices they can't detect whether or not you're tethering or just using alot with certain apps. It must be true.
I'm gonna try it out.
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Well perhaps they know that I have noting to lose and will cancel my account if they try something.
Already paying way too much for what I get compare to other carriers.
Haha if that were their thinking I would never sign a contract again.
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Mobile technology--LTE, 5g, 300 mbs +

I'm still very impressed with 4g/LTE (when I can get it, that is) but I ran into a three Qualcomm engineers this weekend at a local San Diego hotel and among other things discussed was 5g and ever-increasing data capacities. Accordingly to the gentleman I spoke with, the technology for 300mbs (and even more) already exists in our devices--and up to 3 times faster in the lab(!)--but a combination of government regulations and matters of infrastructure inhibit us (citizens) from using the technology on a commercial scale. Current eta for this network is expected to stabilize in 2020.
I find this interesting for a couple reasons. First, it remains interesting to me how business and government intersect, particularly in the US, to produce cutting edge technological advances, and then see it (eventually) pour into greater society--it often varies depending on DOD and politcs.
However, despite the drawbacks, the work that arises from these relationship(s) is most often marked by success--in various respects--even considering the delayed roll outs or issues of quality. Eventually, they make their way into the hands of the general public, albeit at a (relative) increasingly slow rate.
(Of course, I'm leaving a great amount of information unstated or otherwise assumed, but I imagine those who may share my interest are likely well aware of the details.)
Second, and perhaps less interesting overall, but WTH are Internet providers going to do once LTE and eventually 5g reaches the major cities and becomes available to all consumers? Based on recent legal preceded, media companies like Netflix are going long on these providers and hence I wonder: are the IP providers working on advancements too? Or, are they going to continue to squeeze every last drop of value from the the current network structures via lobbying efforts that'll lead to... well you see the point. (Note that my points end up being interrelated.)
Anyhow, for those who may share interest, I'm curious--what are your thoughts?
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I have no doubts about technology such as this is already existent. Considering some markets have the 20/20 lte which yields almost 100meg/sec, its just a matter of time. My Comcast internet at home is 100down/20up, and they have faster available too. I really don't think the service providers are worried about cell carriers being faster, well maybe the budget carriers, but they're in a whole different demographic.
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My cable company provides 50Mb, but I'm fine with 25 I have ATM and frankly I have hard time to imagine need for 300Mb, even 4k video is much less, but I'll take it when it comes, even if only for bragging rights. I'm not sure about you guys, but there is rather very few websites I use on regular basis, that can actually feed data anywhere near my 25Mb speed and I know it's not on my side, so pretty much whole infrastructure will need to be updated. For example I read somewhere Netflix averages 3 -5 Mb, regardless of the reason that's slow even for good quality SD program and even 300Mb wouldn't help in this case at all. And since most traffic goes over land lines until the last stage between cell tower and phone, they better do something fast.
^^^ I agree 100%
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Seriously over kill. They need to focus just on making LTE available everywhere I don't see a need for 300mb speed for anything in the near future. Right now I have 50 meg at my home and I can download movies in 20-30 minutes. Good enough for me.
Gn3
What I have noticed as a user who has had a 300mbit line and even a 1gbps line downstream, is that NO ONE can push information that fast to you, so it becomes useless. After a while I started to question what the point of a faster connection was. Very few companies (Microsoft,Apple) were able to come close to saturating my connection but in the end...for what? So I don't have to wait another milli-second for that download to happen? Now on the other hand, some apps saturated that connection all the time and it was great (mostly Usenet,Torrents etc). But then you have these companies that monitor everything you do and end up sending you letters to stop doing such activities. So then again I start asking myself....what's the point? I know for sure that I wouldn't want a slow connection per say but I think that we are currently in a good position for what's available. Now, if only we can get better coverage and more consistent connections...that would be a better solution.

carrier data block

Does anyone know away around Verizon seeing how much data you use before they slow you down or if your tethering .I have unlimited but it's gets throttled looking for away around that .
1981greg said:
Does anyone know away around Verizon seeing how much data you use before they slow you down or if your tethering .I have unlimited but it's gets throttled looking for away around that .
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You can use the Verizon app to see how much data your using. As far as finding a way around them monitoring your data usage, that, I don't know. Probably illegal anyway
Badger50 said:
You can use the Verizon app to see how much data your using. As far as finding a way around them monitoring your data usage, that, I don't know. Probably illegal anyway
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Thanks for the reply I didn't think of it being illegal really but makes sense trying to delete post but don't see an option
Badger50 said:
You can use the Verizon app to see how much data your using. As far as finding a way around them monitoring your data usage, that, I don't know. Probably illegal anyway
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Not sure how it's illegal as it's an unlimited data plan. As far as carriers monitoring usage to effectively kill an unlimited plan they profited from by advertising it is probably actually "illegal" or misleading advertising. I really think these carriers should be pressured to change the wording of their "unlimited" plans through the CFPB or whatever they are calling themselves these days. Unlikely nthis will happen due to the current political atmosphere.
cedargreen said:
Not sure how it's illegal as it's an unlimited data plan. As far as carriers monitoring usage to effectively kill an unlimited plan they profited from by advertising it is probably actually "illegal" or misleading advertising. I really think these carriers should be pressured to change the wording of their "unlimited" plans through the CFPB or whatever they are calling themselves these days. Unlikely nthis will happen due to the current political atmosphere.
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how is it misleading? it is in their TOS when you sign up for whatever plan. I know that if I use over 50GB on tmobile i can be throttled, i still can use data even if it is slower, so therefore it is still unlimited. Their plans are't titled UNLIMITED HIGH SPEED DATA. These unlimited plans are Not like the some of the old school plans that just cut you off, or end up charging you extra for data you go over.
1981greg said:
Thanks for the reply I didn't think of it being illegal really but makes sense trying to delete post but don't see an option
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It's not illegal but does violate the TOS agreement from the carrier. At the same time hiding a tethered connection is futile. It's simply impossible to hide as carriers have at least half a dozen different ways of detecting it.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
It's not illegal but does violate the TOS agreement from the carrier. At the same time hiding a tethered connection is futile. It's simply impossible to hide as carriers have at least half a dozen different ways of detecting it.
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Ok thanks I realize now bad idea does anyone know how I can delete this post
https://labs.xda-developers.com/store/app/be.mygod.vpnhotspot
You will also need to connected a vpn that has decent speeds.
PrivateInternetAccess works pretty good and it is like $30 per year with a coupon, search slickdeals.net or some other similar site for code. Plus PIA you can change the packet size if verizon is looking for that.
1981greg said:
Ok thanks I realize now bad idea does anyone know how I can delete this post
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Relax, you are not going to jail. You asked a question, and did nothing.
1981greg said:
Ok thanks I realize now bad idea does anyone know how I can delete this post
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You can't delete a post. You can edit it to something like "delete" if you want but once you're quoted then it's on your permanent record. A mod can delete it too. But as you've been told you did nothing wrong. Don't sweat it.
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You can't delete a post. You can edit it to something like "delete" if you want but once you're quoted then it's on your permanent record. A mod can delete it too. But as you've been told you did nothing wrong. Don't sweat it.
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Thanks guys just didn't want look like a dumbass lol probably too late thanks for the info
fiffan86 said:
how is it misleading? it is in their TOS when you sign up for whatever plan. I know that if I use over 50GB on tmobile i can be throttled, i still can use data even if it is slower, so therefore it is still unlimited. Their plans are't titled UNLIMITED HIGH SPEED DATA. These unlimited plans are Not like the some of the old school plans that just cut you off, or end up charging you extra for data you go over.
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So I go to an all you can eat buffet for lunch. I eat 2 plates of cream of somyungui. Then I would like another. I go back to find out that after 2 plates I must now wait till dinner to have another. Also I have to wait until everyone else ate. When I can finally have another plate I find there is hardly any left and it takes a long time to get what I had during lunch.
This is not unlimited. Carriers are spinning the meaning of the word. We saw this before the prior net neutrality laws were passed several years ago. Unlimited to start, then so slow you think the website is down, or it just times out all together.
I do agree with others that the carriers will know if you are tethering or not regardless. The real question is if you root and unlock native tethering, will they force a "tethering fee" assuming you didn't have such fee when you signed your contract.
Don't make analogies. They're never 100% equivalent to what you're trying to compare it to.
Throttling ≠ data cut off. It sucks but it's still unlimited data.
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@EeZeEpEe: The guy is trolling, and the facts you have provided he will ignore as they don't fit his narrative. The main reason I haven't replied to him is because he is being intellectually dishonest. He knows full well that the carriers aren't abusing the definition of unlimited like they did in 2010.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
@EeZeEpEe: The guy is trolling, and the facts you have provided he will ignore as they don't fit his narrative. The main reason I haven't replied to him is because he is being intellectually dishonest. He knows full well that the carriers aren't abusing the definition of unlimited like they did in 2010.
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They're not?
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/...could-go-unpunished-because-fcc-repealed-open
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...less-carriers-over-youtube-netflix-throttling
I don't see above where anyone provided facts to back up their argument. Since u mad, (The main reason I haven't replied to him is because he is being intellectually dishonest), here is clear evidence of abuse. I would also argue that this is the worst case of throttling ever and the next closest is the AT&T/FaceTime fiasco. All under the guise of various tiers of 'unlimited' data. Check out the wehe app. It helped with studies on this exact topic, including Senate oversight committee sending questions to the major carriers.
@cedargreen: Mad? That would mean I had feelings on the topic. The reality is I just call it as I see it. Your first post in this thread is nothing but a strawman argument, thus you are being intellectually dishonest. Now, you clearly must be bored if you have to respond to a post that as of this writing is four months old. I don't go out of my way to feed trolls, so we're done here.

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