Does anyone know away around Verizon seeing how much data you use before they slow you down or if your tethering .I have unlimited but it's gets throttled looking for away around that .
1981greg said:
Does anyone know away around Verizon seeing how much data you use before they slow you down or if your tethering .I have unlimited but it's gets throttled looking for away around that .
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You can use the Verizon app to see how much data your using. As far as finding a way around them monitoring your data usage, that, I don't know. Probably illegal anyway
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You can use the Verizon app to see how much data your using. As far as finding a way around them monitoring your data usage, that, I don't know. Probably illegal anyway
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Thanks for the reply I didn't think of it being illegal really but makes sense trying to delete post but don't see an option
Badger50 said:
You can use the Verizon app to see how much data your using. As far as finding a way around them monitoring your data usage, that, I don't know. Probably illegal anyway
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Not sure how it's illegal as it's an unlimited data plan. As far as carriers monitoring usage to effectively kill an unlimited plan they profited from by advertising it is probably actually "illegal" or misleading advertising. I really think these carriers should be pressured to change the wording of their "unlimited" plans through the CFPB or whatever they are calling themselves these days. Unlikely nthis will happen due to the current political atmosphere.
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Not sure how it's illegal as it's an unlimited data plan. As far as carriers monitoring usage to effectively kill an unlimited plan they profited from by advertising it is probably actually "illegal" or misleading advertising. I really think these carriers should be pressured to change the wording of their "unlimited" plans through the CFPB or whatever they are calling themselves these days. Unlikely nthis will happen due to the current political atmosphere.
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how is it misleading? it is in their TOS when you sign up for whatever plan. I know that if I use over 50GB on tmobile i can be throttled, i still can use data even if it is slower, so therefore it is still unlimited. Their plans are't titled UNLIMITED HIGH SPEED DATA. These unlimited plans are Not like the some of the old school plans that just cut you off, or end up charging you extra for data you go over.
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Thanks for the reply I didn't think of it being illegal really but makes sense trying to delete post but don't see an option
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It's not illegal but does violate the TOS agreement from the carrier. At the same time hiding a tethered connection is futile. It's simply impossible to hide as carriers have at least half a dozen different ways of detecting it.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
It's not illegal but does violate the TOS agreement from the carrier. At the same time hiding a tethered connection is futile. It's simply impossible to hide as carriers have at least half a dozen different ways of detecting it.
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Ok thanks I realize now bad idea does anyone know how I can delete this post
https://labs.xda-developers.com/store/app/be.mygod.vpnhotspot
You will also need to connected a vpn that has decent speeds.
PrivateInternetAccess works pretty good and it is like $30 per year with a coupon, search slickdeals.net or some other similar site for code. Plus PIA you can change the packet size if verizon is looking for that.
1981greg said:
Ok thanks I realize now bad idea does anyone know how I can delete this post
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Relax, you are not going to jail. You asked a question, and did nothing.
1981greg said:
Ok thanks I realize now bad idea does anyone know how I can delete this post
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You can't delete a post. You can edit it to something like "delete" if you want but once you're quoted then it's on your permanent record. A mod can delete it too. But as you've been told you did nothing wrong. Don't sweat it.
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You can't delete a post. You can edit it to something like "delete" if you want but once you're quoted then it's on your permanent record. A mod can delete it too. But as you've been told you did nothing wrong. Don't sweat it.
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Thanks guys just didn't want look like a dumbass lol probably too late thanks for the info
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how is it misleading? it is in their TOS when you sign up for whatever plan. I know that if I use over 50GB on tmobile i can be throttled, i still can use data even if it is slower, so therefore it is still unlimited. Their plans are't titled UNLIMITED HIGH SPEED DATA. These unlimited plans are Not like the some of the old school plans that just cut you off, or end up charging you extra for data you go over.
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So I go to an all you can eat buffet for lunch. I eat 2 plates of cream of somyungui. Then I would like another. I go back to find out that after 2 plates I must now wait till dinner to have another. Also I have to wait until everyone else ate. When I can finally have another plate I find there is hardly any left and it takes a long time to get what I had during lunch.
This is not unlimited. Carriers are spinning the meaning of the word. We saw this before the prior net neutrality laws were passed several years ago. Unlimited to start, then so slow you think the website is down, or it just times out all together.
I do agree with others that the carriers will know if you are tethering or not regardless. The real question is if you root and unlock native tethering, will they force a "tethering fee" assuming you didn't have such fee when you signed your contract.
Don't make analogies. They're never 100% equivalent to what you're trying to compare it to.
Throttling ≠ data cut off. It sucks but it's still unlimited data.
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@EeZeEpEe: The guy is trolling, and the facts you have provided he will ignore as they don't fit his narrative. The main reason I haven't replied to him is because he is being intellectually dishonest. He knows full well that the carriers aren't abusing the definition of unlimited like they did in 2010.
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@EeZeEpEe: The guy is trolling, and the facts you have provided he will ignore as they don't fit his narrative. The main reason I haven't replied to him is because he is being intellectually dishonest. He knows full well that the carriers aren't abusing the definition of unlimited like they did in 2010.
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They're not?
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/...could-go-unpunished-because-fcc-repealed-open
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...less-carriers-over-youtube-netflix-throttling
I don't see above where anyone provided facts to back up their argument. Since u mad, (The main reason I haven't replied to him is because he is being intellectually dishonest), here is clear evidence of abuse. I would also argue that this is the worst case of throttling ever and the next closest is the AT&T/FaceTime fiasco. All under the guise of various tiers of 'unlimited' data. Check out the wehe app. It helped with studies on this exact topic, including Senate oversight committee sending questions to the major carriers.
@cedargreen: Mad? That would mean I had feelings on the topic. The reality is I just call it as I see it. Your first post in this thread is nothing but a strawman argument, thus you are being intellectually dishonest. Now, you clearly must be bored if you have to respond to a post that as of this writing is four months old. I don't go out of my way to feed trolls, so we're done here.
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Besides the obvious Tethering and downloading torrents whats the best,fastest and or easiest way to use alot of data on sprint's "unlimited" data plan? I don't have any other wireless devices so I can't tether and download stuff.
wasd321 said:
Besides the obvious Tethering and downloading torrents whats the best,fastest and or easiest way to use alot of data on sprint's "unlimited" data plan? I don't have any other wireless devices so I can't tether and download stuff.
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Go HERE, they have assorted files you can d/l up to 1gb in size
wasd321 said:
Besides the obvious Tethering and downloading torrents whats the best,fastest and or easiest way to use alot of data on sprint's "unlimited" data plan? I don't have any other wireless devices so I can't tether and download stuff.
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It would probably be best to answer to what it is you're trying to accomplish. Why else not use the simplest method to get data high? Doesn't make sense.
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SteelH said:
Go HERE, they have assorted files you can d/l up to 1gb in size
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Awesome thank you!
SharkUW said:
It would probably be best to answer to what it is you're trying to accomplish. Why else not use the simplest method to get data high? Doesn't make sense.
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I want to test out this "unlimited data" theory and also in hopes that they cancel me so I won't have to pay a hefty early cancellation fee
Why in the world world world you need to get out high. Seems like yoy could just use the phone for whatever you need and call it good.
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thekarens said:
Why in the world world world you need to get out high. Seems like yoy could just use the phone for whatever you need and call it good.
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get out high? I don't understand what that means lol um is that a song?
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Awesome thank you!
I want to test out this "unlimited data" theory and also in hopes that they cancel me so I won't have to pay a hefty early cancellation fee
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Good luck, I did 26GB in June, didn't hear a peep out of Sprint.
SteelH said:
Good luck, I did 26GB in June, didn't hear a peep out of Sprint.
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hmm doing what?
Stream Slingbox 24/7
ntron1 said:
Stream Slingbox 24/7
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I would love to but I can't afford a television financially or mentally.
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hmm doing what?
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Newsgroups over wifi tether.
Constantly download ISOs for Linux distros off of Easynews... http://mirrors.easynews.com
Will rack up the data FAST.
ok i must edit my question to: whats the funnest way to rack up a ton of data usage cuz im bored out of my mind downloading 1 gig files lolz
They won't let you out of a contract that easily. They make too much off of you. But they might work harder at approving an across-the-board usage cap for everybody and/or throttle our connections. And we'll have fools like you to thank. Maybe you should just learn to manage your finances if you signed a contract you couldn't afford just to get a new phone. Or do you just not like the phone or Sprint?
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They won't let you out of a contract that easily. They make too much off of you. But they might work harder at approving an across-the-board usage cap for everybody and/or throttle our connections. And we'll have fools like you to thank. Maybe you should just learn to manage your finances if you signed a contract you couldn't afford just to get a new phone. Or do you just not like the phone or Sprint?
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+1. Seriously, instead of being a **** and potentially screwing the rest of us you could just man-up or wait for some tiny change in Sprint's contact that allows you to get off for free.
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A guy mentioned he had done over 100 gigs with 3G...so good luck. Also I can't remember if it was Sprint but someone just recently changed their contract and people were mentioning it would be a way out...you might look into that. Or find someone to buy your phone and take over your contract...they're still hard to find.
Damn guys, dont be so hard on the fellow. One persson cant **** it up for the rest of us...however if we
all start doin it, or maybe i dunno..a group of people..then. but thats not going to happen, i think the majority of us is just a little smater than that.
*This was posted from my Evo 4G*
SilverZero said:
They won't let you out of a contract that easily. They make too much off of you. But they might work harder at approving an across-the-board usage cap for everybody and/or throttle our connections. And we'll have fools like you to thank. Maybe you should just learn to manage your finances if you signed a contract you couldn't afford just to get a new phone. Or do you just not like the phone or Sprint?
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um Sprint is kinda sucky around here, Tmobile and VZW have better data coverage so ya calm down broski
wasd321 said:
um Sprint is kinda sucky around here, Tmobile and VZW have better data coverage so ya calm down broski
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You should planned your purchase.
Don't bother trying to hit the cap, since you pay $10 a month you really do have unlimited internet.
BETTER OPTION: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7232572#post7232572
thats a really cool option. Thxxx
mrono said:
You should planned your purchase.
Don't bother trying to hit the cap, since you pay $10 a month you really do have unlimited internet.
BETTER OPTION: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7232572#post7232572
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*This was posted from my Evo 4G*
Just thought I would give everybody a heads up that as of Friday, 09/16/2011, Sprint is switching to a 14-day return policy. I have a feeling a lot of Sales Reps will be uneducated about this.
P.S. Don't kill the messenger
(looks around)....(shrugs)..."our bad"
Bastards... Its like they killed kenny.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1262783 <-- also relevant
I bet all these changes is for the iphone!
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plmiller0905 said:
I bet all these changes is for the iphone!
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that likely has a little to do with it....but....
(lifted from the thread linked above)
I've said it before and I'll say it again: It's about damn time.
Am I happy about this? Not at all. But this was going to happen eventually. Sprint is bleeding money without compare. As long as they continue to offer decent coverage, great prices and fantastic customer service I'm all for it. They need to stay competitive. Not to us, they are already very competitive to us...they need to stay competitive to investors or risk a takeover most likely coming from Verizon.
***** and complain all you want, where you gunna go? T-Mobile? Unlikely. That whole law-suit from the DOJ is nothing but a dog-n-pony show.
Sprint has to offer unlimited service, the same fantastic rates, unparalleled customer service while at the same time improving it's network infrastructure all around in order to stand a chance...they know it and it's about time they started acting like it.
....with a strategic partnership with Google they could change the entire game by ditching the voice-n-text strategy and being the first to embrace the "everything is data" paradigm. It's coming. "voice service" all by itself is so, well, last century. We all know it's already digital, why convert back twice and charge us for something we can now do on our own?
...that's just my take...
Honestly, as long as they keep unlimited data without throttling, I am okay.
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Sprint has to offer unlimited service, the same fantastic rates, unparalleled customer service while at the same time improving it's network infrastructure all around in order to stand a chance...they know it and it's about time they started acting like it.
....with a strategic partnership with Google they could change the entire game by ditching the voice-n-text strategy and being the first to embrace the "everything is data" paradigm. It's coming. "voice service" all by itself is so, well, last century. We all know it's already digital, why convert back twice and charge us for something we can now do on our own?
...that's just my take...
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Inspired... and I hope you're right! There seems to be no point in sticking with the current voice service with it's inferior quality when we can easily switch to all VoIP.
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....with a strategic partnership with Google they could change the entire game by ditching the voice-n-text strategy and being the first to embrace the "everything is data" paradigm. It's coming. "voice service" all by itself is so, well, last century. We all know it's already digital, why convert back twice and charge us for something we can now do on our own?
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That would make sense considering sprints stance on unlimited data.
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iSaint said:
Bastards... Its like they killed kenny.
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Sorry to go off topic, but i kept seeing people mention your signature, but since i was on the XDA app on my phone, I couldn't see it. You have been thanked for that signature... wow!
So I got my Epic 4G Touch Tuesday. Does that mean I have a 30 day return or is it device specific.
Agreed. This is Sprint stepping up to protect is business. They are better in so many levels that this shouldn't be an issue unless you don't know what you want and go through two or three phones your first month.
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I guess the OP didn't notice that the 30 day return policy is LAW, not whim.
They can make corporate policy all they want.....but they are still bound by LAW.
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that likely has a little to do with it....but....
(lifted from the thread linked above)
I've said it before and I'll say it again: It's about damn time.
Am I happy about this? Not at all. But this was going to happen eventually. Sprint is bleeding money without compare. As long as they continue to offer decent coverage, great prices and fantastic customer service I'm all for it. They need to stay competitive. Not to us, they are already very competitive to us...they need to stay competitive to investors or risk a takeover most likely coming from Verizon.
***** and complain all you want, where you gunna go? T-Mobile? Unlikely. That whole law-suit from the DOJ is nothing but a dog-n-pony show.
Sprint has to offer unlimited service, the same fantastic rates, unparalleled customer service while at the same time improving it's network infrastructure all around in order to stand a chance...they know it and it's about time they started acting like it.
....with a strategic partnership with Google they could change the entire game by ditching the voice-n-text strategy and being the first to embrace the "everything is data" paradigm. It's coming. "voice service" all by itself is so, well, last century. We all know it's already digital, why convert back twice and charge us for something we can now do on our own?
...that's just my take...
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Not to rain on your post, but Sprints customer service lately has been awful, and that's not exaggerating.
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Not to rain on your post, but Sprints customer service lately has been awful, and that's not exaggerating.
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I haven't noticed that. I still manage to have to interact with them far more than the average user (as the XDA types seem to). A few times in the past month and I can't even say that I noticed anything.
Sure, when I called to cancel a line ETF free I got one lady who gave me a minor hassle, but, I called back and got a guy who was friendly and helpful.
That's the worst 30 seconds (and only 'bad' I have dealt with, by far) of dealing with Sprint's customer service I have had in the past 6 years of service...and it wasn't even that bad bordering on understandable.
As usual YMMV.
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I guess the OP didn't notice that the 30 day return policy is LAW, not whim.
They can make corporate policy all they want.....but they are still bound by LAW.
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Laws vary by state, and most are nullified if the seller has their own policy posted in the store in a conspicuous location.
Just talked to a Sprint store manager (Southern California) and she has not heard any mention of the changes so hopefully tomorrow when I open a new account I'll hold her accountable for it.
JBNAquatics said:
Just talked to a Sprint store manager (Southern California) and she has not heard any mention of the changes so hopefully tomorrow when I open a new account I'll hold her accountable for it.
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I've educated a few managers on the subject myself. I think Sprint is trying to sneak this one in.
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I guess the OP didn't notice that the 30 day return policy is LAW, not whim.
They can make corporate policy all they want.....but they are still bound by LAW.
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Hate to tell you it isn't law. Verizon and AT&T have 14 day return policy. As far as I know it's always been that way.
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Laws vary by state, and most are nullified if the seller has their own policy posted in the store in a conspicuous location.
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Exactly, the only state that we have to stick with 30 day is Minnesota.
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Just talked to a Sprint store manager (Southern California) and she has not heard any mention of the changes so hopefully tomorrow when I open a new account I'll hold her accountable for it.
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Then my peer there is dumb, it is all over the Playbook and all the AMs are telling their managers and staff about it. It is huge news. Perhaps they just had Wednesday off (like I did) and didn't get a chance to read the Playbook quite yet. I know the only reason I found out about it ahead of time was from tweets last night about the subject.
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I've educated a few managers on the subject myself. I think Sprint is trying to sneak this one in.
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No, trust me, they are not.
I found an app which allows for free wifi tethering without rooting. If i continue to use this, do i violate my contract and if i do what is the worst that can happen?
If sprint terminates my contract, do i have to pay an early termination fee? Would I be able to keep my phone?
hs101 said:
I found an app which allows for free wifi tethering without rooting. If i continue to use this, do i violate my contract and if i do what is the worst that can happen?
If sprint terminates my contract, do i have to pay an early termination fee? Would I be able to keep my phone?
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That question has been asked in forums since the hot spot mod was hacked. There are risks in everything and unless someone has been busted then I don't see anyone being able to answer you. If you are worried then pay for it or just don't use it. Search the other 100 threads about this and see what others have done
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If you get caught, it is theft of service and since Sprint is located in Kansas, it is across state lines and as such is a felony and a federal offense. Sprint has been cracking down real hard on illegal tethering and many have been arrested and thrown in jail. Surprised you haven't heard about that, it's been all over the internet lately. They gave this one guy 5 years and denied his appeal. It seems harsh, but theft is theft any way you look at it.
My recommendation to you- stay away from tethering, especially if you enjoy your freedom.
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That question has been asked in forums since the hot spot mod was hacked. There are risks in everything and unless someone has been busted then I don't see anyone being able to answer you. If you are worried then pay for it or just don't use it. Search the other 100 threads about this and see what others have done
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Im not worried at all. If sprint cancels my contract without any termination fees or fines then thats actually a good thing because i want to leave sprint.
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If you get caught, it is theft of service and since Sprint is located in Kansas, it is across state lines and as such is a felony and a federal offense. Sprint has been cracking down real hard on illegal tethering and many have been arrested and thrown in jail. Surprised you haven't heard about that, it's been all over the internet lately. They gave this one guy 5 years and denied his appeal. It seems harsh, but theft is theft any way you look at it.
My recommendation to you- stay away from tethering, especially if you enjoy your freedom.
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Dude...
hs101 said:
Im not worried at all. If sprint cancels my contract without any termination fees or fines then thats actually a good thing because i want to leave sprint.
Dude...
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Well this probably won't work if you trying to get kicked off... do a little light reading and you will find out how to do that
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If you get caught, it is theft of service and since Sprint is located in Kansas, it is across state lines and as such is a felony and a federal offense. Sprint has been cracking down real hard on illegal tethering and many have been arrested and thrown in jail. Surprised you haven't heard about that, it's been all over the internet lately. They gave this one guy 5 years and denied his appeal. It seems harsh, but theft is theft any way you look at it.
My recommendation to you- stay away from tethering, especially if you enjoy your freedom.
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Cool story bro.
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Well this probably won't work if you trying to get kicked off... do a little light reading and you will find out how to do that
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What do you mean by this.... Why wouldn't it work? I'm not trying to get kicked off by sprint, but if terminating my contract (without any ETF's) is the worst thing they can do then I feel like I have no worries (since when is a free $600 phone a bad thing =) ). I just want to make sure that it is the worst thing they can do.
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If you get caught, it is theft of service and since Sprint is located in Kansas, it is across state lines and as such is a felony and a federal offense. Sprint has been cracking down real hard on illegal tethering and many have been arrested and thrown in jail. Surprised you haven't heard about that, it's been all over the internet lately. They gave this one guy 5 years and denied his appeal. It seems harsh, but theft is theft any way you look at it.
My recommendation to you- stay away from tethering, especially if you enjoy your freedom.
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Care to list your sources?
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Care to list your sources?
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Absolutely.
hs101 said:
What do you mean by this.... Why wouldn't it work? I'm not trying to get kicked off by sprint, but if terminating my contract (without any ETF's) is the worst thing they can do then I feel like I have no worries (since when is a free $600 phone a bad thing =) ). I just want to make sure that it is the worst thing they can do.
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Honestly I am not sure why you even asked the question since you could of pulled up like I said a million other threads from xda and beyond to see what has happened or not happened to others... Like previously mentioned its either you get caught may have to pay or they just kick you off... Nobody can tell you for sure since we really dont know of anyone who has gotten caught... Hey you may be the first and then they throw the book at you... or not
I am done! Enjoy your tethering or not...
Playya out!
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If you get caught, it is theft of service and since Sprint is located in Kansas, it is across state lines and as such is a felony and a federal offense. Sprint has been cracking down real hard on illegal tethering and many have been arrested and thrown in jail. Surprised you haven't heard about that, it's been all over the internet lately. They gave this one guy 5 years and denied his appeal. It seems harsh, but theft is theft any way you look at it.
My recommendation to you- stay away from tethering, especially if you enjoy your freedom.
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bwahahaha
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_MetalHead_ said:
If you get caught, it is theft of service and since Sprint is located in Kansas, it is across state lines and as such is a felony and a federal offense. Sprint has been cracking down real hard on illegal tethering and many have been arrested and thrown in jail. Surprised you haven't heard about that, it's been all over the internet lately. They gave this one guy 5 years and denied his appeal. It seems harsh, but theft is theft any way you look at it.
My recommendation to you- stay away from tethering, especially if you enjoy your freedom.
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Its not federal if you live in Kansas!
Please do not tell me speculations....
Does anyone know from experience (from themselves or others) what sprint does if they catch you tethering.
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Please do not tell me speculations....
Does anyone know from experience (from themselves or others) what sprint does if they catch you tethering.
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They send you a letter telling you that you are using the tethering feature of the phone without paying and that to modify your behavior (aka stop tethering without paying) or they'll be forced to do something about it (make you cough up the $$$ or boot you off the network).
The only time's we hear people getting these letters are where it's just obvious they're tethering. Aka Console gaming (some guy did 100gb and got pissed off and came here to rant... yall remember him? ya.... lol), HD netflix, torrents, or just outrageous stuff that involves things you don't usually use on a phone.
Other than that, i don't believe they do a whole lot else (waste of time usually to do anything else..... you = statistics, aka replaceable)
okay guys, I so I've been arguing with my mom for weeks now about rooting my e4gt even though it already is ... but she constantly asks how I did something to my phone, change battery color, bootscreen, etc., and I can tell her I rooted my phone because she said she'll take it because rooting is illegal.
I told he rwhoever said this is stupid sprint can't make laws, but she's saying that it is against her contract rules she signed with sprint contract.. can anyone argue with this, I highly doubt that this is true..
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They will only terminate because of too much roaming and tethering ...ie downloading torrents or Xbox ps3 gaming .. go get sprint tos . According to dept of justice there is a exception in the digital millennium copyright law that allows for jailbreak and rooting.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/26/technology/iphone_jailbreaking/
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Nothing about rooting in the contract. Zero. Make her show you where it says that
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I work for Sprint, and there is nothing in the contract about what you do to your phone. As you said, there's nothing illegal (that would imply some sort of court action for doing it) but some Sprint techs will not work on a phone that is rooted.
Really the contract basically just says you will have service for the two years, if you cancel early, you pay a fee. The contract does not mention anything about the specific phone you have (i.e. whether it is an android or a blackberry, etc), does not mention what plan you have (because this can be changed at any time without a contract renewal.), and does not mention anything about modifying the software of your device. As mentioned above, if you over-use roaming, sprint may end your contract for you, but that is actually way more rare than people make it seem.
Also, arguing with the one that controls your cell service is not good advice. She has the ability to data and SMS restrict your phone, or suspend service on it altogether by just calling up customer service.
So, rather than telling her you rooted it, tell her you installed a Sprint ID. If she's smart enough to ask which one so you can install it on her phone, just root hers too.
If you check m+p they can't refuse to work on it because its rooted .
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If you check m+p they can't refuse to work on it because its rooted .
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I can check M&P all day long, but I know techs in the area that say that if there is a software issue with a rooted device, it has to be reverted back to stock before they will look at it. Hardware issues are a different story though.
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okay guys, I so I've been arguing with my mom for weeks now about rooting my e4gt even though it already is ... but she constantly asks how I did something to my phone, change battery color, bootscreen, etc., and I can tell her I rooted my phone because she said she'll take it because rooting is illegal.
I told he rwhoever said this is stupid sprint can't make laws, but she's saying that it is against her contract rules she signed with sprint contract.. can anyone argue with this, I highly doubt that this is true..
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First, I hope you've thanked your mom for getting you such a great phone and paying your bill.
Second, it's her account and her right to be concerned.
I've told my son for years (he's grown now) and tell my nieces often, it's all in how you present it. If you talk to your mom like she's an idiot, she's likely going to rebuff you and do as monkeyracer mentioned (turn off sms, disable service, etc). I would suggest you show her this forum so some of the informed posters can put her mind at ease.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20011661-38.html
Jailbreaking your iPhone or other mobile devices will no longer violate federal copyright law, thanks to a new ruling that updates the 1998 DMCA.
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Also, there are several one-click packages available that will literally restore the phone to the original factory condition with one click of a mouse.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1383678
This One-Click ODIN contains the SHIPPED EG30 Modem, Kernel, and ROM which the E4GT was initially released with.
Being a Factory Reset, this WILL reset all your Android user data. If you'd prefer to keep your user data, use the NoData version.
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buy your own phone and brick it all day!
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I can check M&P all day long, but I know techs in the area that say that if there is a software issue with a rooted device, it has to be reverted back to stock before they will look at it. Hardware issues are a different story though.
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Those the same idiots that say installing a launcher can mess up your phone ..... sometimes when I need a good laugh instead of going to a comedy club I will go to sprint to listen to what the employees say ......that's funny
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Those the same idiots that say installing a launcher can mess up your phone ..... sometimes when I need a good laugh instead of going to a comedy club I will go to sprint to listen to what the employees say ......that's funny
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My wife and I went to the Sprint store to have her number changed and they said they couldn't do it because it was rooted and that alone would prevent them from changing the number. There are good and bad employees at every business but sometimes I wounder if certain ones missed the initial training courses. It's one thing to be say "I'm not sure" if they don't know what rooting actually does. It's another thing to say something so matter-of-fact as if they know what they're talking about.
Actually the terms of service were modified in the last year (I don't know exactly when it happened) to specify that rooting is grounds for terminating your service (prior to that it just said modifications)
I am surprised your mom actually read the tos, the reference is buried somewhere near the bottom 3rd iirc. Is she an attorney or engineer? Those are amongst the few catagories of people who imo might read the entire tos ahead of time, rather than after something happens that affects them.
Anyway, your response to her can be that
1) companies put terms in their contracts which are not enforceable all the time, either to socially engineer you away from some behavior, or set up some pretext to protect their interests in the future
2) no one afaik has ever posted that sprint has tried to use this clause in the tos to terminate service
I am on mobile right now so it isn't convenient to dig up the reference, but if someone is interested I can look it up. It is in the section which says if you are rude or abusive to an agent that is grounds (according to sprint) for termination of service.
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My wife and I went to the Sprint store to have her number changed and they said they couldn't do it because it was rooted and that alone would prevent them from changing the number. There are good and bad employees at every business but sometimes I wounder if certain ones missed the initial training courses. It's one thing to be say "I'm not sure" if they don't know what rooting actually does. It's another thing to say something so matter-of-fact as if they know what they're talking about.
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I so hate you for this comment I just busted out laughing at this.
Personally, I don't understand why carriers are even obssessed with controlling our phones. Some of us get the phone (no matter if it's android or iphone) because we are able to root and jailbreak it. If we wanted a basic phone we would get blackberrys. smh sorry for the rant I just feel like corporations seem to want to control the way a consumer should think and what to do with devices.
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Those the same idiots that say installing a launcher can mess up your phone ..... sometimes when I need a good laugh instead of going to a comedy club I will go to sprint to listen to what the employees say ......that's funny
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I'll have to try that..sounds like a fun time!!
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I so hate you for this comment I just busted out laughing at this.
Personally, I don't understand why carriers are even obssessed with controlling our phones. Some of us get the phone (no matter if it's android or iphone) because we are able to root and jailbreak it. If we wanted a basic phone we would get blackberrys. smh sorry for the rant I just feel like corporations seem to want to control the way a consumer should think and what to do with devices.
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I don't know why either. If you take a step back and look at the whole picture (government included), minus the genocide, they are modeling their practices after Hitler and many other tyrants of history. Absolute authority and control through trickery of words and the slow implementation of progressively stricter policies. And most eat it up thinking it's for their own good. That's my rant for the day
As far as this rooting issue. Sprint reserves the right to terminate a contract for ANY reason they think warrants it. So in that sense, rooting is no worse than making a phone call. Both could void your contract just the same. Is rooting illegal? It's about as illegal as using 'sudo' in Linux.
Rooting isn't simply gaining access to the naughty parts. It's literally becoming that device since your changing your UID to 0 - which is not a number. And I don't like being some number.
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Actually the terms of service were modified in the last year (I don't know exactly when it happened) to specify that rooting is grounds for terminating your service (prior to that it just said modifications)
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I just read through the Terms and Conditions among other documents, and there is nothing of the sort that I can locate.
Many people who claim to work for Sprint ahve stated that if your have the Equipment Service and Repair program on your account, they are required to work on the device, regardless of whether it has been rooted. If you break it to the point they cannot fix it, you may have to fall back on the Equipment Replacement Program or send it to Samsung.
Also, for Samsung's position, check my post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1548588
Terms and Conditions: http://shop2.sprint.com/en/legal/legal_terms_privacy_popup.shtml
Privacy Policy: http://www.sprint.com/legal/privacy.html
Acceptable Use/Network Management: http://www.sprint.com/legal/agreement.html#neut
Surcharges, Taxes and Fees: http://support.sprint.com/support/a...d_other_charges/case-ib376964-20090810-135914
Equipment Service and Repair: http://shop.sprint.com/global/pdf/services_solutions/brochure_tep_esrp.pdf
Equipment Replacement: http://shop.sprint.com/global/pdf/services_solutions/brochure_tep_erp.pdf
Basically, you own your device, you can do what you want with it. Just don't expect Sprint to fix it for free if you break it.
Sprint doesn't care if you root as long as you bother them because of it.
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I just read through the Terms and Conditions among other documents, and there is nothing of the sort that I can locate.
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https://manage.sprintpcs.com/output/en_US/manage/MyPhoneandPlan/ChangePlans/popLegalTermsPrivacy.htm
Our Right To Suspend Or Terminate Services
We can, without notice, suspend or terminate any Service at any time for any reason. For example, we can suspend or terminate any Service for the following: (a) late payment; (b) exceeding an Account Spending Limit; (c) harassing/threatening/abusing/offending our employees or agents; (d) providing false or inaccurate information; (e) interfering with our operations; (f) using/suspicion of using Services in any manner restricted by or inconsistent with the Agreement and Policies; (g) breaching, failing to follow, or abusing the Agreement or Policies; (h) providing false, inaccurate, dated, or unverifiable identification or credit information or becoming insolvent or bankrupt; (i) modifying a Device from its manufacturer specifications (for example, rooting the device); (j) failing to use our Services for an extended period of time; (k) failing to maintain an active Device in connection with our Services; or (l) if we believe the action protects our interests, any customer’s interests, or our networks.
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As I mentioned above, it used to just say generic "modifying device" but some time in the past year, they specifically added the rooting clarification.
Also as I mentioned above, companies often put in terms that are not enforceable and also AFAIK, I have never seen someone posting they were terminated due to this term.
I won't argue the merits (or non-merits) of this clause, just pointing out that it does exist.
The techs I am talking about are very good, and they don't refuse to work on rooted phones, but with any software issue (including issues on non-rooted phones) they usually revert the phone back to stock (read: hard reset) so they can rule out external software as the cause of the issue. If the phone is rooted, factory reset is not going to bring it back to stock, and they are not going to unroot the phone for the customer, so what is the answer? The customer has to unroot the phone and bring it back in to be checked again.
BTW, if you have ESRP or TEP, there's no reason you would need to contact Samsung. Samsung is really only necessary for warranty stuff for those too cheap to get ESRP or TEP.
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My wife and I went to the Sprint store to have her number changed and they said they couldn't do it because it was rooted and that alone would prevent them from changing the number. There are good and bad employees at every business but sometimes I wounder if certain ones missed the initial training courses. It's one thing to be say "I'm not sure" if they don't know what rooting actually does. It's another thing to say something so matter-of-fact as if they know what they're talking about.
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I love it when people talk like they know stuff, just because they work somewhere. like baristas at starbucks talks as if they know all about coffees and etc. just like anther sprint worker, who told me galaxy nexus will work with sprint's current 4g(wimax) network.. just pure idiots.. i wish people were more humble.. yes there are ton of clueless customer, but just because you work at a place, that does not make you an encyclopedia of the items and service you offer. the knowledge of the items and service belongs to those who have actually spend some time researching..
Hey folks!
I just got a warning letter from Sprint. They're threatening to disable service for tethering. I did a bit of searching on the forums and have seen similar threads, but thought I'd contribute so others wouldn't get flagged like I did.
I'm using CM9 Beta 1 (older version), with FL24 modem, and using WiFi Tether app to tether. Data usage for September so far has been 4.66 GB. Specific usage for data (from tethering) primarily involves web browsing, Youtube videos, Hulu, and playing Guild Wars 2 x3/week for less than 3 hour sessions each.
I'm not sure what all they can or cannot track, so I will try a newer CM9 or CM10 and use wired tethering instead to see if that helps. If I get terminated, oh well. After surcharges and tax, I'm paying 160 for two lines. The other phone on the line is a basic flip phone, of all things. I use tethering since it's more ideal than the campus wifi here.
If push comes to shove and I get terminated, I'll check out T-Mobile since their signal is strong-ish in this area. Not sure what factor/s caused the flag letter, but just posting the info so you could perhaps avoid it!
Good luck folks! :highfive:
They will be able to tell that you are tethering, it doesn't matter what ROM you are using or how you are tethering.
All of the information is in the packets that are being sent on the network. Everything from what browser you are using, operating system, which version of flash/java you have installed, etc...
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They will be able to tell that you are tethering, it doesn't matter what ROM you are using or how you are tethering.
All of the information is in the packets that are being sent on the network. Everything from what browser you are using, operating system, which version of flash/java you have installed, etc...
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Thanks for the info. From all the searching I've done across several different forums, this seems to be a consistent but very RANDOM problem (the letter). I wonder if they just do random checks on random people?? I saw a guy get a flag letter for using 100+GB, but I'm below 5GB. Is anyone else getting this letter?
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They will be able to tell that you are tethering, it doesn't matter what ROM you are using or how you are tethering.
All of the information is in the packets that are being sent on the network. Everything from what browser you are using, operating system, which version of flash/java you have installed, etc...
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The real question is what they are looking at. Truth is we probably won't know and things change.
Just looking at user agent strings in post and get requests will result in false positives when a user has their android browser using a Windows Chrome user agent string. Its not terribly intensive to spot check traffic on port 80 to see whats going on but probably not the most efficient or fool proof way. Especially when the heavier users of the network are not just casually using a web browser.
Desktop Youtube and Hulu are likely to raise flags. Even the most passive of monitoring will catch these 2. When a tower experiences any amount of unusual congestion someone is likely to take a look at why and see something usual triggers won't notify on. More active solutions are likely to notice an account without tethering connecting to a known game server IP on a known port. Not so much a problem with say hosted FPS servers more of a problem with MMO's.
If they know exactly what they want to look for its very easy to put an automated solution in place. They don't always know what a user is doing on the network and spot checks during unusual congestion will turn things up. All from network administration point of view less of an accurate carrier view though.
Hey guys an update on what I did.
I just got back and found an OK deal. I'm not sure what you guys were paying for Sprint, but I was paying (after taxes and surcharges) 160/mo. for two lines, unlimited data + 2k non cell-to-cell mins and unlimited everything else. I ended up going T-Mobile and it's looking like the bill will be around 130/mo for 3, not 2 lines. One will have unlimited data, the other two are basic flip phones. Everything else is unlimited.
After bugging the living crap out of the representative and asking repeatedly throughout the sales process, it seems like they have a more flexible, less technical data plan. If this is not true, I'll necro this thread sometime to let everyone know.
Although the 130/mo for 3 lines looks good on paper, I did have to put down (after taxes) $430 for the three phones (GS-4, x2 basic flip phones) - not a pretty amount. After bugging them about how much it cost, they at least gave me a zagg screen protector and some crappy.. body armor? body guard? phone case. Not bad.
I mentioned my usage with tethering in the original post. Should things go sour the same way it did with Sprint, I'll update this thread and let everyone know what happened in detail. Supposedly the rep at the store was an avid user for tethering as well, though he only hinted it, telling me there's little for me to worry from his 'personal' experience.
On another note, I did have an incident with Sprint in the past. My phone was evidently set on automatic connection and Sprint literally kicked my phone off the plan for something they called 'excessive roaming'. They claimed they sent me a warning letter beforehand.. and I'm sure they did. My desk is a mess. The guy over at T-Mobile told me roaming was truly unlimited, but I won't take my chances just in case.
Data speed differences in the Denver Metropolitan area are significant. Speed Test shows around 1.5mbps DL Sprint WiMax, 8.16mbps DL T-Mobile "LTE" (Someone told me T-Mobile LTE isn't 'real' LTE. Not sure on this). 10 tests each were done and averaged. 5 tests indoors, 5 tests outdoors.
Thanks for the responses/input - it helped me make my decision. This forum has always been nothing short of awesome. :good: