Tons of bugs and Verizon decides to lock down bootloader before fixing them. What bugs have you found? Personally I have seen unlock issues with pattern unlock priority priority Verizon I think this alone proves they only care about there own and not there customers. Not trying to start a fire just want a bug list.
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don't have any gaps along the seam, don't have color issues with the camera, don't have any notification pull down glitches.
I do have a stuck pixel.
I really haven't found any yet. It gets pretty warm, but not as toasty as my rezound.
No bugs here.
I think the term "doesn't care about their customers" is completely overused.
1) the mod community is probably less than 1% of their total customer base. As much as I wish they would, why would they leave the boot loaders unlocked for that small of a portion of their customers?
2) if they didn't care, they wouldn't have built out the biggest and most reliable LTE network. They built theirs out much faster than other carriers too. Have spent billions upon billions in their network, I believe more than any other carrier.
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No bugs here.
I think the term "doesn't care about their customers" is completely overused.
1) the mod community is probably less than 1% of their total customer base. As much as I wish they would, why would they leave the boot loaders unlocked for that small of a portion of their customers?
2) if they didn't care, they wouldn't have built out the biggest and most reliable LTE network. They built theirs out much faster than other carriers too. Have spent billions upon billions in their network, I believe more than any other carrier.
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Ehh I'll agree with 99.9%. But atts LTE network is the fastest nationwide. In some areas no but overall yes.
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cstrife999 said:
Ehh I'll agree with 99.9%. But atts LTE network is the fastest nationwide. In some areas no but overall yes.
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I didn't say Verizon's was fastest. But it is certainly the largest, that's without question. Speed isn't anything when you don't have the service to use it.
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I didn't say Verizon's was fastest. But it is certainly the largest, that's without question. Speed isn't anything when you don't have the service to use it.
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.... Dude... I'm an idiot... Misread that completely... Lol. Yea the strange thing about their rollout BTW is my city had it faster than Pittsburgh... Not that I'm complaining but was impressive. Think we got it early 2012.
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cstrife999 said:
.... Dude... I'm an idiot... Misread that completely... Lol. Yea the strange thing about their rollout BTW is my city had it faster than Pittsburgh... Not that I'm complaining but was impressive. Think we got it early 2012.
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Verizon is running into a problem that I think all the carriers are going to run into while continuing their build out... A lot of towns and cities don't want anymore cell towers... Which is obviously a problem for the carriers.
I think they're trying to make the tower technology smaller but that costs a ton of money.
No issue with mine
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Mine is flying. I just threw on Nova Launcher and am running both the Control Center and ReLaunch apps on top with zero issues. That actually surprises me considering I couldn't do that with my Note 2 and the lag. I was going to jump to the Note 3 but this phone is a beast on performance.
I think I'll just wait for the HTC One Max.
I tried LightFlow, which has a history for not working on HTC devices. Sadly, not only can you not set different LED colors and/or flash patterns for different contacts, you can't even set different vibrate patterns either! Now, the bug: When you uninstall the LightFlow after screwing around with it, the phone instantly resets to bootloader and boots back up. Very interesting bug. I've reproduced it three times, I should plug in my phone and get a logcat to see what's happening under the hood.
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Verizon is running into a problem that I think all the carriers are going to run into while continuing their build out... A lot of towns and cities don't want anymore cell towers... Which is obviously a problem for the carriers.
I think they're trying to make the tower technology smaller but that costs a ton of money.
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which is probably why they are going to build out on AWS as well. More users per tower but worse building penetration.
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I tried LightFlow, which has a history for not working on HTC devices. Sadly, not only can you not set different LED colors and/or flash patterns for different contacts, you can't even set different vibrate patterns either! Now, the bug: When you uninstall the LightFlow after screwing around with it, the phone instantly resets to bootloader and boots back up. Very interesting bug. I've reproduced it three times, I should plug in my phone and get a logcat to see what's happening under the hood.
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are you rooted? i messed around with lightflow, didnt like how it (didn't) work, so i uninstalled. no fireworks.
no other bugs either.
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The only bug I've seen, and it may be a "feature" is that I get a random notification sound. I pull the phone out and there is nothing there, no emails or texts. I just looked in sounds and "Pull-to-refresh sounds" was ticked, so I un-ticked that...I have never noticed it making a sound when I pulled to refresh, but maybe it's making it when it refreshes. Otherwise, I have been running rock solid!
My bugs are software related and probably need to be fixed with an update. constant gps even if its off pattern unlock wont come on huge security glitch and some keyboard issues. What is a good samsung like keyboard?
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are you rooted? i messed around with lightflow, didnt like how it (didn't) work, so i uninstalled. no fireworks.
no other bugs either.
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Nope, I'm not rooted; completely stock. I did enable the "HTC Mode" or something like that in the settings which is supposed to make it function better on HTC devices. Not sure if that has anything to do with it. I tried the "Keep in foreground" setting that adds a notification option in hopes of forcing LightFlow to stay active all the time. Note that I own the full version as I'm coming from a device that it worked wonderfully on (Droid Bionic). I know that internally the demo/free version and the full version have some differences in how they manage notifications.
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No bugs here.
I think the term "doesn't care about their customers" is completely overused.
1) the mod community is probably less than 1% of their total customer base. As much as I wish they would, why would they leave the boot loaders unlocked for that small of a portion of their customers?
2) if they didn't care, they wouldn't have built out the biggest and most reliable LTE network. They built theirs out much faster than other carriers too. Have spent billions upon billions in their network, I believe more than any other carrier.
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1) You covered the problem in your question "leave the bootloaders unlocked". They are going out of their way to inconvenience the 1%.
2) They don't care, it was self preservation. You can't **** around your customers and expect them to stay without some leverage, hence the best network. Plus its easier to pull in more new customers when you have the best service. They did it for the money, which is to be expected considering they are a business.
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Nope, I'm not rooted; completely stock. I did enable the "HTC Mode" or something like that in the settings which is supposed to make it function better on HTC devices. Not sure if that has anything to do with it. I tried the "Keep in foreground" setting that adds a notification option in hopes of forcing LightFlow to stay active all the time. Note that I own the full version as I'm coming from a device that it worked wonderfully on (Droid Bionic). I know that internally the demo/free version and the full version have some differences in how they manage notifications.
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ahh, i'm on the lite version. i tried the different formulations/combos to try and get it to work (htc mode, etc).
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1) You covered the problem in your question "leave the bootloaders unlocked". They are going out of their way to inconvenience the 1%.
2) They don't care, it was self preservation. You can't **** around your customers and expect them to stay without some leverage, hence the best network. Plus its easier to pull in more new customers when you have the best service. They did it for the money, which is to be expected considering they are a business.
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1) Isn't it HTC that locks the boot loader? If so, then Verizon isn't going out of their way.
2) If that's what you want to believe, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
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1) Isn't it HTC that locks the boot loader? If so, then Verizon isn't going out of their way.
2) If that's what you want to believe, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
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HTC? HTC wants us to have our boot loaders unlocked..
why do you think they made the HTCdev.com website?
There is only 1 reason that our boot loaders are locked right now:
Verizon Wireless.
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HTC? HTC wants us to have our boot loaders unlocked..
why do you think they made the HTCdev.com website?
There is only 1 reason that our boot loaders are locked right now:
Verizon Wireless.
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I didn't say whether HTC does or does not want us to have unlocked boot loaders.
His comment was that Verizon was going out of their way to lock our boot loaders.
Considering all HTC Ones come with a locked boot loader that the user has to unlock themselves, I'm guessing it's HTC, not Verizon, that locks the boot loader. Therefore, Verizon isn't going out of their way. They're simply requesting HTC deny the VZW One on the HTCdev site.
I'm not trying to defend VZW, I wish they would allow us to unlock. I'm just defending my original comment. "The mod community is probably less than 1% of their total customer base. As much as I wish they would, why would they leave the boot loaders unlocked for that small of a portion of their customers?"
To say that VZW doesn't care about their customers is just ignorant.
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I knew there was going to be Bloatware.. Here it is the Verizon Galaxy Nexus will have bloat ware click here. I tried to tell some and i would get slammed when ever i did. If it also hits Tmo or Att, expect the same. The days of bloat free Nexus devices is over.. Im definitely Importing mines now. !
Now mind you i am importing mines soi expect none, but the fact that the verizon version has the Nexus brand name and it has bloat/rear branding horrifies me. its a disgrace
Look at what i just found. while not official it makes sense. One of the bloatware APK's not playing nice with ICS.. SMH
What is going on here, Google?
Unless the definition of what a Nexus phone is supposed to represent has changed, why is Google buckling to Verizon?
There's a Verizon logo on the back of the device too.
looks like the Verizon Galaxy Nexus is exactly that... a Verizon Galaxy Nexus.
You could argue that the two apps are not considered "bloatware", but I agree with OP - it's a slippery slope.
But, since we'll be able to remove them anyways, I dont think the 'sky is falling' is quite necessary. It WOULD be interesting to see what exactly is going on behind the scenes from Verizon/Google (the initial deal, the delays, and the negotiating).
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But, since we'll be able to remove them anyways, I dont think the 'sky is falling' is quite necessary.
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but you can't remove them. you can only hide them.
Not the biggest thing in the world, but how does this suggest firmware updates? Does Google send updates to Verizon so they can tweak it before releasing? Does this mean well be at the mercy of Verizon to release updates? This kinda defeats the purpose of a Nexus phone whose updates come directly from Google.
Damn this phone looks worse and worse today. Wifi Death Grip, now the possibility of delayed or lack of speedy updates. Ouch.
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keatre said:
You could argue that the two apps are not considered "bloatware", but I agree with OP - it's a slippery slope.
But, since we'll be able to remove them anyways, I dont think the 'sky is falling' is quite necessary. It WOULD be interesting to see what exactly is going on behind the scenes from Verizon/Google (the initial deal, the delays, and the negotiating).
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you cant remove them.. just stop and hide i believe
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Not the biggest thing in the world, but how does this suggest firmware updates? Does Google send updates to Verizon so they can tweak it before releasing? Does this mean well be at the mercy of Verizon to release updates? This kinda defeats the purpose of a Nexus phone whose updates come directly from Google.
Damn this phone looks worse and worse today. Wifi Death Grip, now the possibility of delayed or lack of speedy updates. Ouch.
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wow great point...
oscillik said:
but you can't remove them. you can only hide them.
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Out of the box, you are right. My apologies, I meant to say - give it 2 weeks, and you will not see them. With the large dev community backing the device, any bloatware, annoying searchbox, or other change you'd like will most likely surface soon.
That doesn't change the fact that it was placed on the device in the first place, which I think is the initial complaint of the OP and many others. If a Nexus device cannot keep carrier apps away, little hope is left for any other device.
Damn. Unbelievable. Goodbye Nexus program. It was fun while it lasted.
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Not the biggest thing in the world, but how does this suggest firmware updates? Does Google send updates to Verizon so they can tweak it before releasing? Does this mean well be at the mercy of Verizon to release updates? This kinda defeats the purpose of a Nexus phone whose updates come directly from Google.
Damn this phone looks worse and worse today. Wifi Death Grip, now the possibility of delayed or lack of speedy updates. Ouch.
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The first I've heard of lack of updates from Google is the speculation from this post...I don't think there's a reason to worry until this is actually confirmed as fact.
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Damn. Unbelievable. Goodbye Nexus program. It was fun while it lasted.
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Im glad I didn't jump to it. Which I knew I wouldn't cause its Samsung. Explains allot.
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i'd say it's pretty indicative that updates will have to go through Verizon first. Android updates have always had to go through the carrier if they have insisted on their own bloatware to be preinstalled.
considering a lot of peopel consider those 2 apps useful, its still not a deal breaker.
still, as it hasn't been stated anywhere yet, it's just speculating and rumor-mongering
Enjoy your verizon curated updates!
(p.s. this started with the Nexus S 4G)
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Enjoy your verizon curated updates!
(p.s. this started with the Nexus S 4G)
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Yes, this is what you get with a carrier-subsidized phone.
None of the other Nexus phones were sold/distributed by carriers. That is why they had no bloat. The sim-free Galaxy Nexus is also not a carrier phone. It will have no bloat.
If you don't want carrier crapware, don't get a carrier phone. Oh, your carrier doesn't allow any phones on their network that they didn't sell? Well get a new carrier. F***ing CDMA ****e.
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I knew there was going to be Bloatware.. Here it is the Verizon Galaxy Nexus will have bloat ware click here. I tried to tell some and i would get slammed when ever i did. If it also hits Tmo or Att, expect the same. The days of bloat free Nexus devices is over.. Im definitely Importing mines now. !
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Did you even bother reading the article? Christ, you probably should so you don't seem like a complete idiot posting threads like this.
1 of the apps is the My Verizon application, which also allows you to put a widget on your desktop of your phone to monitor data usage (rather useful IMHO). This is hardly bloatware...
The other application is the Backup Assistant application, which allows you to backup your contact information to Verizon's online database, and would allow you to easily, and quickly, transfer your contacts from 1 phone to another without having to transfer them manually.
All things said, these are hardly bloatware applications (like the blockbuster app, or the vcast application). In fact, the article even makes MENTION of the fact that these really aren't bloatware.
Over-exaggeration on your part totally.
Fastboot OEM unlock. Bloatware is gone.
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I guess "Don't Be Evil" is now "Sure, for how much money?"
Still no launch date for USA, LTE or GSM? Check.
One of the worst launches I've ever seen? Check.
Complete lack of communication with you most fanatical base?. Check.
Complete lack of communication with everyone else? Check.
Bloatware on the Nexus line? Check.
What a shame. I wish we could post to Google where they would have to read it.
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Did you even bother reading the article? Christ, you probably should so you don't seem like a complete idiot posting threads like this.
1 of the apps is the My Verizon application, which also allows you to put a widget on your desktop of your phone to monitor data usage (rather useful IMHO). This is hardly bloatware...
The other application is the Backup Assistant application, which allows you to backup your contact information to Verizon's online database, and would allow you to easily, and quickly, transfer your contacts from 1 phone to another without having to transfer them manually.
All things said, these are hardly bloatware applications (like the blockbuster app, or the vcast application). In fact, the article even makes MENTION of the fact that these really aren't bloatware.
Over-exaggeration on your part totally.
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sorry pal these are all things you can do without the need of there bloat. remember the galaxy nexus already comes with a data usage monitoring tool.!
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/07/galaxy-nexus-no-longer-launching-on-december-9/
sigh... dropping the ball. They dont want this phone on their network.
if it doesnt launch friday ill be buying something else, i'm getting sick of using my cracked thunderbolt and even more sick of waiting
I don't think they ever officially stated a day. I've thought for a while that they would release it with some clause that said no worry free guarantee exchanges for this device since a lot of people are planning on returning their razr or rezound too.. we'll see.
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I called Verizon yesterday, the 1800#, and they confirmed the 9th, so this has to be a change if true
I can't wait until this thing is released, not because I want to get it but so these threads will end.
Wait for it or buy online like most people did here
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http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/07/galaxy-nexus-no-longer-launching-on-december-9/
sigh... dropping the ball. They dont want this phone on their network.
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Take a look through this forum. I think VZ would have to iron out all these issues before putting it up for sale. I doubt VZ is going to have thier tech support saying " oh you can just download this app to fix that issue". It's going to have to work 99%, or people will just bring it back in and swap phones. There really isn't anything so magnetic about this phone that will make a regular user say they can't part with it. Imagine 50,000 used phones, cases, screen protectors, cradles etc. I can understand a few issues with a new device, but it looks like there are quite a few.
So I guess we will just wait for the 9th and see.
this is what i know verizon has a **** load of iphone and razrs! wouldn't you try and get the most out of your inventory? i wouldn't want to price cut just to sell if i didn't have to, or at least prolong a long as possible
Verizon sucks. that's why I left them after 10+ years. They are like the Apple of cell carriers. Need to control every aspect.
So now they aren't releasing the Gnex cause their 4G LTE is crapping the bed... Seems their LTE service has all kinds of issues with each new phone that is released to it.
Luxferro said:
Verizon sucks. that's why I left them after 10+ years. They are like the Apple of cell carriers. Need to control every aspect.
So now they aren't releasing the Gnex cause their 4G LTE is crapping the bed... Seems their LTE service has all kinds of issues with each new phone that is released to it.
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They may control every aspect, but it sure does pay off for them and their subscribers, doesn't it?
Consumer Reports: Verizon has highest satisfaction rate among major US carriers, AT&T is lowest
I'm pissed!!! I'm shipping out my G2x Friday and thus wont have a phone until they get off their ass.
The phones are sitting in their stores. Its a little too late.
Verizon usually releases phones on Fridays? So of it misses this Friday, it won't be available until next Friday?
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randypurcz said:
Take a look through this forum. I think VZ would have to iron out all these issues before putting it up for sale. I doubt VZ is going to have thier tech support saying " oh you can just download this app to fix that issue". It's going to have to work 99%, or people will just bring it back in and swap phones. There really isn't anything so magnetic about this phone that will make a regular user say they can't part with it. Imagine 50,000 used phones, cases, screen protectors, cradles etc. I can understand a few issues with a new device, but it looks like there are quite a few.
So I guess we will just wait for the 9th and see.
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Do you seriously think Verizon will iron out anything?
Have you used a droid bionic? The phone is total garbage, riddled with bugs, and had plenty of Verizon and Motorola "testing time."
They will release it eventually and it will be full of plenty of bugs they missed. Who knows what the hell they're doing.
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They may control every aspect, but it sure does pay off for them and their subscribers, doesn't it?
Consumer Reports: Verizon has highest satisfaction rate among major US carriers, AT&T is lowest
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Well I will agree on one thing. Their cell reception is the best.
But I can't deal with their arrogance, and pricing. At the time the OG Droid launched (I got mine on first day), they said they were changing their style... going to be more open with regard to their phones. After the OG Droid was a huge success for both Verizon and Android, they pretty much went back to their old ways.
Now they are releasing their 2nd pure google phone. And they are dragging their feet with the release. Probably making google changed certain aspects of it, making it more closed then the GSM version.
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Well I will agree on one thing. Their cell reception is the best.
But I can't deal with their arrogance, and pricing. At the time the OG Droid launched (I got mine on first day), they said they were changing their style... going to be more open with regard to their phones. After the OG Droid was a huge success for both Verizon and Android, they pretty much went back to their old ways.
Now they are releasing their 2nd pure google phone. And they are dragging their feet with the release. Probably making google changed certain aspects of it, making it more closed then the GSM version.
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I'll agree that the pricing is outrageous, but until someone with an equal or better network (see: competition) comes along, Verizon will be the status quo as far as high quality networks are concerned.
I don't think the latest delay has anything to do with the Nexus as much as it has to do with the overall network from a QoS standpoint. As a network technician myself, I can tell you that the issues being described with LTE SIM Card Authentication warrant a "freeze" until the problem is rectified. Why introduce a large amount of new devices onto the network without resolving the problem first?
Was just in a Verizon store buying a case for my GSM nexus. Guy said they had the phones in store but got an email a couple hours ago that it was no longer being released on Friday. Didn't have any details but seems like the article posted was true.
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anyone know of any on-going discussion groups who are following the LTE issue?
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anyone know of any on-going discussion groups who are following the LTE issue?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=104418010
Funny I went looking for release dates. Mondays and Thursdays seem pretty common for Verizon. Also funny is the original 11/21 release date (I'm sure it was even earlier then that).
You know I've been on both sides. Push the release date until it's ready and people complain. Release the phone before its ready and people complain. Coming from a LG G2x, I can honestly say releasing the phone before it was ready was good for me but not for the population as a whole. The negative feedback it received as a "faulty device" forever scarred its name.
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Do you seriously think Verizon will iron out anything?
Have you used a droid bionic? The phone is total garbage, riddled with bugs, and had plenty of Verizon and Motorola "testing time."
They will release it eventually and it will be full of plenty of bugs they missed. Who knows what the hell they're doing.
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Motorola isn't exactly known for making phones that aren't riddled with bugs.....
This sounds more like something with Verizon's LTE network and not something to do specifically with the phones themselves.
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thanks!
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termleech said:
Was just in a Verizon store buying a case for my GSM nexus. Guy said they had the phones in store but got an email a couple hours ago that it was no longer being released on Friday. Didn't have any details but seems like the article posted was true.
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Sigh... its pointless waiting for this phone.
I've been wanting the Galaxy Nexus since the announcement but never got around to getting it. I ended up getting a GS2 Skyrocket and have fallen in love with LTE.
Do you think it's worth dumping my skyrocket for the GN? What's the current state of ROM development?
I dumped the skyrocket but I don't live in lte market. And I don't load roms. Stock gnex ics > skyrocket touchwiz
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This is true, buuuut the skyrocket HD is coming out my friend. Id get that, keep it, try out the ics update on it whenever its released
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This is true, buuuut the skyrocket HD is coming out my friend. Id get that, keep it, try out the ics update on it whenever its released
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Coming out in a few months
I kind of miss the stock Google experience.. once a new version of Android is announced, you're the first to get it Kinda wish the GN is $529 like the N1 was
No, LTE > ICS.
Of course you could do like me and switch to Verizon and have both.
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No, LTE > ICS.
Of course you could do like me and switch to Verizon and have both.
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LTE has a huge battery drain.
GSM variant of Galaxy Nexus has better battery life and less mAh
Lots of good roms. switch to verizon and get lte too. To be honest if verizon had a GSII I would think twice about my purchase. I love ICS but the camera on this phone drives me nuts. Plus I don't hate Touch Wiz.
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No, LTE > ICS.
Of course you could do like me and switch to Verizon and have both.
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For you, maybe. You can't make that blanket statement for everyone... And I'm sure OP is happy with AT&T (and/or locked in with a large ETF if he's got a Skyrocket).
havent experienced the sg2 myself so i doont know how good it is, but i got the nexus last saturday and i love it more and more everyday. AWESOME PHONE!
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LTE has a huge battery drain.
GSM variant of Galaxy Nexus has better battery life and less mAh
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Yeah but I get 40+ Mbps. Kinda like how Ferraris get terrible gas mileage because a V12 has huge gas drain.
martonikaj said:
For you, maybe. You can't make that blanket statement for everyone... And I'm sure OP is happy with AT&T (and/or locked in with a large ETF if he's got a Skyrocket).
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OP asked what I think. I gave him my opinion.
If budget permits, I would say yes, go for the GN. But if I were you at a time like this, I would wait for MWC (Mobile World Congress) where Samsung is allegedly announcing the Galaxy S3 and see what they have to offer in that aspect.
I'm pretty much stuck to AT&T because I get a huge discount off my monthly bill through work
I totally forgot about the Galaxy S3.. hummm
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Yeah but I get 40+ Mbps.
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Wtf are you doing on your phone that would make it vital for you to get speeds higher than hspa+?
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Willieumm said:
Wtf are you doing on your phone that would make it vital for you to get speeds higher than hspa+?
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Ummmm... Mobile Hot Spot! Verizon has yet to throttle me on 4G... I use atleast 12-15 GB's / month. That is where it pays off to have Verizon LTE and unlimited data...
Lol again, Verizon is not an option for me. I pay close to $100 a month right now for 4 lines + unlimited data on 3 lines. With Verizon, I'd be paying over $200
Honestly HSPA+ speed are good enough for me in a mobile device. I browse, stream a lot and speeds are good enough. Average around 5Mbps is good for me. Sure I will take lte if there is an option, but it's not a big deal. Finally it comes down personal choice, if you are teethering may be lte speeds are good but for normal usage no big deal.
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Yeah but I get 40+ Mbps. Kinda like how Ferraris get terrible gas mileage because a V12 has huge gas drain.
OP asked what I think. I gave him my opinion.
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Fair enough, but the only ones I've seen complaining about their Galaxy Nexus are the ones getting the US carrier-Nexuses. On overall GSM owners seems happier.
Which may or may not be relevant to OP, so it's worth getting out there.
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To OP: I don't have LTE, so I have no idea what I would be dumping, but this is my general take on the Galaxy Nexus (from another thread)
Seriously though: I think this phone is the best phone I've ever had. For those returning it, it probably wasn't.
This phone was hyped like nothing I have ever seen, and lots of people probably bought it on the wrong premises. Some people probably bought this phone thinking this would be the Android Jesus-device who would save the souls of Apple-users en-masse by its presence alone. A device which could slay iStore employees by simply taking it out of your pocket. A gadget so shiny, the sun would feel its competition. Etc.
To those people, this device probably didn't deliver. They probably returned it.
To me though this phone is a godsend. Not only is the HW pretty good, it is also 100% open. It's a device whose openness is unprecedented in other types of phones.
I can compile Android from source and flash on this device. Using open tools which I've also built from source. It's not just something I say that you "can" do. I've built the source and deployed on my phone. No hacking or closed drivers or protocols required. Why? Just because I can. It gives you a feeling of actual ownership which is hard to describe or match.
If I want to run nothing but stock but rooted, I can do that without any need to meddle deeply with the phone. In fact, if all I want is a custom recovery to do nandroid backups, I can do that without flashing or modifying the phone in any way.
How? It's easy. I can boot my phone off a boot-image (and hence recovery-image too) hosted outside the phone. I can boot my phone from code hosted outside it. No hacking required. Absolutely none.
This is what a Nexus device is all about. It's all fully open. It does what you ask it. Even if it is retarded. Even if it is singing the Hello Kitty theme song while in the bootloader. Because the device is open. It's yours. It's yours to do exactly what you want with it.
The openness of this thing is amazing. For me, there is absolutely no other phone I would consider. Others might land at some other choice and that is perfectly fine too.
People returning this phone are probably doing it because they followed internet-hype and didn't research what they were actually buying.
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If you think that sounds awesome, LTE is probably worth dumping. If you think "that sounds... like something I dont care about at all", then probably not.
Had the Verizon GN. Was surprised to find that I actually had 4g where I lived. Got ~35mbps down and ~7mbps up. With mild use, was finding it difficult to get the battery to last through the day.
Returned it, bought the unlocked GSM version, popped an at&t similar in, and now my battery lasts all day with almost twice as much use and 30% left at night. Pages load at roughly the same speed. Call quality is better (maybe just where I live, but the Verizon version was always a little "glitchy").
Just my experience with LTE and the nexus.
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I have both phones and love both, skyrocket gives me 2 days in one charge easily, gnex only about 10-14 hours with extended battery but love stock ics.
If you already have the skyrocket then stick with it, its a great phone, if you dont have neither, get the Gnex gsm.
For now, LTE is the future. I carry a spare battery if and when needed. Battery technology will always be playing catch up.
So I have a couple general questions I wanted to get your guys take on.
Why does Verizon choose to have there phones locked down? The HTC One in particular but generally as well. Is it a method of preserving/increasing profit? Perceived threat to their network? Something else?
A follow up question which depends on how you feel about the first question. Are Verizon's reasons for locking down phones justified? Do you feel they have a right to do this? If you were a strictly moral person, do you have any dilemmas about this?
PS As a side note, I love having my phones unlocked with custom roms, and I am looking forward to getting my sonic S-Off back.
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So I have a couple general questions I wanted to get your guys take on.
Why does Verizon choose to have there phones locked down? The HTC One in particular but generally as well. Is it a method of preserving/increasing profit? Perceived threat to their network? Something else?
A follow up question which depends on how you feel about the first question. Are Verizon's reasons for locking down phones justified? Do you feel they have a right to do this? If you were a strictly moral person, do you have any dilemmas about this?
PS As a side note, I love having my phones unlocked with custom roms, and I am looking forward to getting my sonic S-Off back.
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People screwing up their phones by crack flashing, and returning them to verizon for warranty when bricked.
Control of tethering.
Yeah, they say it's for the reasons above.
But given that, to begin with, the rooting community is a tiny slice of all mobile phone users, and then Verizon users are an even smaller portion of that. So I don't see why they even care. I highly doubt that even if ever single Verizon customer who does rooting messed up their expensive device it would cost Verizon more than .01% of their revenue, if even that.
It's all about quality control. Even if it is the fact that the vast minority root their phones, it's the minority of users who generate the majority of complaints (and that rule extends FAR beyond cell phone rooting, or cell phones in general). It takes 10 good comments to make up for one bad comment these days, and there just aren't enough good comments to go around.
How likely is it, if your unrooted phone has no physical damage that you'll suddenly find that it isn't booting up? How likely is it that, even if you don't want to do it, factory resetting your unrooted phone will fix whatever problem you're having?
Big Red's reputation, their entire brand, is built on reliability. NOT freedom.
beardedYoga said:
So I have a couple general questions I wanted to get your guys take on.
Why does Verizon choose to have there phones locked down? The HTC One in particular but generally as well. Is it a method of preserving/increasing profit? Perceived threat to their network? Something else?
A follow up question which depends on how you feel about the first question. Are Verizon's reasons for locking down phones justified? Do you feel they have a right to do this? If you were a strictly moral person, do you have any dilemmas about this?
PS As a side note, I love having my phones unlocked with custom roms, and I am looking forward to getting my sonic S-Off back.
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Hey guys feel free to elaborate as much as possible. I'm writing a term paper on unlocking bootloaders/s-off, legalities on our part and Verizon, security risk for us/Carrier, risks taken by us/Verizon, etc.. It's for a Information Security Course. I'll be creating a thread at some point but this is a good start for some sources!
Another point would be that Verizon tries to cater to business/enterprise customers so allowing bootloader unlocking could pose a giant security flaw on devices that have classified data and are meant to be secure
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I think it's far less about tethering for free. They fixed that with getting rid of unlimited data. They saw they can make more money on teired data plans with coverages. Plus I am amazed at how many people on here has given up on their unlimited data plans just to get a subsidized phone.
Locked down phones is for more like people who roots and doesn't know what they are doing so they brick their phones and Verizon takes a hit having to replace it under warranty. Plus the security reasons companies are looking for. They don't want a phone that could be hacked in to giving away possible secret info. Last but not least is to keep people from taking their phones and flashing it to another carrier as we seen a few people has done on here and other forums. It's money they are not receiving and they want to put a stop to it.
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I think they do it for tethering. Although you can use foxfi, root tethering is not stoppable unless verizon uses packet sniffing but even so, unlimited data is unlimited data. They also do it for security reasons as unlocking a corporate phone can be bad.
I will admit, I skimmed all posts and see that most everyone has bought into what they want us to believe.
If it is to prevent unwanted warranty claims, then why would they not allow us to willingly void our warranty via HTCdev when we click the box that says so?
Rather then resort to undocumented or traceable ways of doing so in which case they are stuck with more returns for soft bricks, etc,..and are stuck accepting them because they chose to not take the easy way and let us void our warranty to begin with.
I just think all that warranty replacement crap is a bunch of nonsense and can't be their main incentive.
If it is, then they have their heads buried deeper then I thought and need to realize what I just stated above...
A really good friend of mine has been a tech with sprint for nearly a decade. From what he has told me, about 27 of 100 phones they can't fix are due to installing non official software. While that's not the highest percentage with damage as the worst, it still is very costly for them to replace. Most of the guys he works with can tell if a phone has been "tampered" with. Even with such things as triangle away with the Samsung lines, they still can find out. Having a locked boot loader on this phone is just one way of attempting to slow the numbers.
As he would put it, most people who do try flashing and other modification methods have very little experience with the phones and their inner workings. A lot of these people end up bricking their phones and try turning them in for insurance claims or warranty which he deals with. He actually saved me some coin by getting me a screen for one of my s2's from a completely fried emmc that he says someone tried a bad flash with.
But yeah, keeping the people like that out of the phones is one of the major reasons as it can become costly to them... I call bs though, considering the amount of profit they actually make on each one of our accounts.
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You are exactly right.
To be honest, there isn't much of a business case for a carrier, when serving as the reseller of a phone, to offer the freedom of an unlocked boot loader. The savvy of the general populace hasn't yet reached the point where the downside is offset by a marketable upside. Hell, most folks still **** around happily with iPhones which lack any freedom whatsoever.
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It's all about quality control. Even if it is the fact that the vast minority root their phones, it's the minority of users who generate the majority of complaints (and that rule extends FAR beyond cell phone rooting, or cell phones in general). It takes 10 good comments to make up for one bad comment these days, and there just aren't enough good comments to go around.
How likely is it, if your unrooted phone has no physical damage that you'll suddenly find that it isn't booting up? How likely is it that, even if you don't want to do it, factory resetting your unrooted phone will fix whatever problem you're having?
Big Red's reputation, their entire brand, is built on reliability. NOT freedom.
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We can speculate all we want here. Verizon says they lock phones because it's better for the network.
http://bgr.com/2012/03/02/verizon-explains-locked-bootloader-stance-in-letter-to-fcc/
Whether or not anyone chooses to believe that is a matter of opinion, but this is pretty much as close to an answer from Verizon that we'll ever get.
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Very enlightening.
To comment on wanting the phones to be secure for corporate security... wouldn't the amazing track record of dev's who contribute here and other places sort of fly right in the face of that.
It seems that every single device that gains enough users has some kind of workaround or vulnerability to allow it to be unlocked. If the corporate world was worried about it, all they are doing is showing just how unable to lock it down the manufactures and carriers are.
Blah, blah, blah.... the network. that is just their excuse. They used it with the FTC to get by with rate limiting the LTE network. Some lame a$$ excuse about the CDMA legacy junk. Don't get me wrong I am sure that the old CDMA stuff may make the network less predictable, but not less stable. It is all about money, and VZW is the 800 pound gorilla that get to control what we have to deal with. Thank goodness we have talented and dedicated developers that almost always get around the blockades these fools put in place.
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From what I was told over at elevate, the biggest problem they don't want to expierence again is our phones not being able to dial to the correct 911 dispatch. There apparently was an incident where a rooting user had a modified dialer apk that didn't allow him dial to the correct dispatch. In an emergency for Verizon that is worse case scenario. Then there's a lawsuit that might be filed to both HTC and Verizon.
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Yeah, they say it's for the reasons above.
But given that, to begin with, the rooting community is a tiny slice of all mobile phone users, and then Verizon users are an even smaller portion of that. So I don't see why they even care. I highly doubt that even if ever single Verizon customer who does rooting messed up their expensive device it would cost Verizon more than .01% of their revenue, if even that.
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Gotta disagree. When you see people in this forum bragging about getting seven replacements, it does add up.
And it really is a PITA to figure out if it was user error or something wrong with the phone. It's all about risk mgmt
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I keep getting the Note 4 910a (3x) hoping that the locked down everything won't bother me. It does... a lot.
My 14 day return ends on 1/16/15. I ordered the n910c yesterday, and expect it to arrive 1/13/15 at the latest. I did quite a bit of research, and found that the N910c/f/t should, in theory, work on AT&T with no issues. They seem to have all of the bands required. T-Mobile refuses to sell me a phone without signing up with them, so it came down to c and f. For those who don't know, C and F are almost the same with the exception of c having Exynos, and f having snapdragon. I was surprised that the exynos seems to support AT&T LTE. Anyway, I chose the 910c, because the exynos chip is supposed to be faster, and use less battery, and was cheaper. Plus there is a glimmer of hope that 64 bit will be unlocked on it once lollipop is released on it. I will come back here, and let you guys know how the switch went once I get my phone.
For those of you who choose to stay behind, I hope that you gain root, but I doubt it will happen since all of the devs seem to have moved on.
"Egocentric", I love posts like these, no one cares if you stay or you go, you contribute nothing as far as development to the device, no one will morn you or the other people like you. Leave and don't fill up the device thread with crap like this. To anyone else thinking of posting an, 'I'm leaving, follow me or stay with an unrooted phone forever', do us all a favor and choke on your phone... This phone performs fantastically as is, we are also able to do non root related adjustments to help with battery and so on. Buy a tablet and flash that to scratch the itch. /rant
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"Egocentric", I love posts like these, no one cares if you stay or you go, you contribute nothing as far as development to the device, no one will morn you or the other people like you. Leave and don't fill up the device thread with crap like this. To anyone else thinking of posting an, 'I'm leaving, follow me or stay with an unrooted phone forever', do us all a favor and choke on your phone... This phone performs fantastically as is, we are also able to do non root related adjustments to help with battery and so on. Buy a tablet and flash that to scratch the itch. /rant
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thanitos said:
"Egocentric", I love posts like these, no one cares if you stay or you go, you contribute nothing as far as development to the device, no one will morn you or the other people like you. Leave and don't fill up the device thread with crap like this. To anyone else thinking of posting an, 'I'm leaving, follow me or stay with an unrooted phone forever', do us all a favor and choke on your phone... This phone performs fantastically as is, we are also able to do non root related adjustments to help with battery and so on. Buy a tablet and flash that to scratch the itch. /rant
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"Jerk". Do you think that talking to people like that will get you some sort of XDA cred? Last I checked, the General forum for 910A wasn't very full at all. If anything, a new thread should be welcomed. The point of this was to not only express my distaste for a locked device, but to help point others towards a more open device. That is why I mentioned more than just the device I chose. I actually listed the 3 that I believe to be fully compatible with AT&T's network. I won't be choking on my new phone, and suggesting I do so, only makes you sound butt hurt, cuz you couldn't afford to buy one outright. So why don't you do us all a favor, and stop making your obvious envy more obvious, and stop wasting space on my thread.
To anyone else; I'll still report back to confirm that the N910C does in fact work on AT&T. I noticed my 910A is picking up 17. So I can't confirm 4 until I find an area.
The troll will pursue until the end of time.....
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"Jerk". Do you think that talking to people like that will get you some sort of XDA cred? Last I checked, the General forum for 910A wasn't very full at all. If anything, a new thread should be welcomed. The point of this was to not only express my distaste for a locked device, but to help point others towards a more open device. That is why I mentioned more than just the device I chose. I actually listed the 3 that I believe to be fully compatible with AT&T's network. I won't be choking on my new phone, and suggesting I do so, only makes you sound butt hurt, cuz you couldn't afford to buy one outright. So why don't you do us all a favor, and stop making your obvious envy more obvious, and stop wasting space on my thread.
To anyone else; I'll still report back to confirm that the N910C does in fact work on AT&T. I noticed my 910A is picking up 17. So I can't confirm 4 until I find an area.
The troll will pursue until the end of time.....
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I, for one, am kind of interested to see whether the N910C is working with ATT or not. What software are you using to see the bands in use?
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I, for one, am kind of interested to see whether the N910C is working with ATT or not. What software are you using to see the bands in use?
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"LTE Discovery". Like I said, though, I can probably confirm lte band 17, but not 4 unless someone knows where I can find band 4 coverage in the Jefferson City, Missouri area.
Why note just buy a tmo from swappa or eBay, I picked up a bnib tmo note 4 on Friday for 600 off ebay
Who cares if your leaving. We don't want whiners anyways. Bye bye.
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Kinda wanted the Exynos variant. 600 is an amazing deal, though.
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Not whining. Merely want to use my expensive property however i choose to. I see you went a different route. Good luck with that.
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Well if i had the money, i would just buy a 910T and be done with it.
I didn't even know there was such a restricted version of this phone.
So thank you for the thread, it was interesting to see a users perspective and I hope you manage to get the version you want.
Regards,
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Yeah, no one cares if you leave. This post is just showing how much of a spoiled, impatient consumer you are. Carry on.
I don't have a problem with this guy's thread, it is extremely frustrating and he wants a place to vent about it.
I am still on the fence. My original decision was to go with the Nexus 6, but the complaint list on reddit about the software and hardware of that phone have turned me off. I love AT&T and have been with them for a long time, but I am considering switching to the Sprint Note 4, they have a much better deal than AT&T anyways.
For now I am going to continue to hold off until March to see if the price drops because I still love the Note 2 and am not in a hurry to upgrade. Since I really would like to stay with AT&T I have disabled all of my favorite xposed mods and am pretty much running stock 4.4.2 DN3. I think I could live without root on the Note 4, aside from that stupid ass AT&T logo in the top left of the screen. Highly annoying.
I'd just get a bad imei tmobile, unlock and use on AT&T.
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I'd just get a bad imei tmobile, unlock and use on AT&T.
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If only it were that easy.
Until I can confirm, I found another thread reporting success in Ohio. Not sure what band they're on, though. Click Here
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If only it were that easy.
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No? Read something that they share the same imei database. But I've read of people getting getting it to work =/
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No? Read something that they share the same imei database. But I've read of people getting getting it to work =/
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To my understanding, if the ESN is bad, it cannot be unlocked.
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To my understanding, if the ESN is bad, it cannot be unlocked.
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ESN and IMEI are different.
Once it's not used on the same network you should be able to do it.
So yes I can't get an unlock code via t-mobile but I can get it from an unlocking service online