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Really want to get one of these...but hardware problems scare me

Ok so I'm sick and tired of dealing with sprint's pathetic excuse for "3g" speeds. And using 3 year old phone technology (lg optimus).
I've been a part of the android club since the G1 and my biggest gripe has always been the lack of hardware acceleration. Finally I thought, a phone that does this! But everyone is saying there are screen problems...and it's not as snappy as they wish it were.
Are the issues really as bad as some make it out to be? Or are these just people who like to complain for the sake of complaining? If I do order one what should I make sure to check...and how long do you have to send it back?
Really want to click the "order" button on google play...someone convince me!! I was waiting to see what the SGIII was going to be priced at...but I know it'll be way way more. I don't really like the idea of spending more than $400 on a phone.

Nobody can decide for you. If it doesn't work out, return it. You also have a 1-yr warranty for showstopping issues.
Every electronic device has potential issues. Mine has been flawless for months...and I'm not alone.

Regardless of what phone you order there is always the possibility of recieving a device with faulty hardware. In that case you can return it for a new one.
I can't really convince you either way. I love my Nexus, and haven't really had any issues with it. I'd definitely recommend it to anyone who asks. SGS3 could turn out to be great, but if you are looking to spend a little less and want something now I'd go for it.

ph0tios said:
Regardless of what phone you order there is always the possibility of recieving a device with faulty hardware. In that case you can return it for a new one.
I can't really convince you either way. I love my Nexus, and haven't really had any issues with it. I'd definitely recommend it to anyone who asks. SGS3 could turn out to be great, but if you are looking to spend a little less and want something now I'd go for it.
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I do want it! Not looking for someone to decide for me...just hoping the issues aren't as widespread as some say. Seems like almost every experience I've read people have had to send the phone back 2-3 times to get a good one.
Kinda crazy for something that's been in production for 6 months now no?

I like mine. You could go to a Verizon store and check the screen out. The biggest gripe people have is on a grey background on low brightness there can be a grainy appearance. Meh. Don't get it if you care but honestly I don't
I haven't had any other hardware issues.
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colonelcack said:
Ok so I'm sick and tired of dealing with sprint's pathetic excuse for "3g" speeds. And using 3 year old phone technology (lg optimus).
I've been a part of the android club since the G1 and my biggest gripe has always been the lack of hardware acceleration. Finally I thought, a phone that does this! But everyone is saying there are screen problems...and it's not as snappy as they wish it were.
Are the issues really as bad as some make it out to be? Or are these just people who like to complain for the sake of complaining? If I do order one what should I make sure to check...and how long do you have to send it back?
Really want to click the "order" button on google play...someone convince me!! I was waiting to see what the SGIII was going to be priced at...but I know it'll be way way more. I don't really like the idea of spending more than $400 on a phone.
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I highly doubt the Galaxy Nexus has any more or less hardware variability or faults than any other phone. People just like to complain, and the minority with issues are ALWAYS more vocal than the people who are happy.

martonikaj said:
I highly doubt the Galaxy Nexus has any more or less hardware variability or faults than any other phone. People just like to complain, and the minority with issues are ALWAYS more vocal than the people who are happy.
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Okay you convinced me
So what's the process for using this phone with tmobile's $30/month plan? I order it online and then take it into any walmart?

Yes, every phone does have it's faults, but the Galaxy Nexus' screen issues is very prominent in so many of these devices that it's ridiculous. And I can tell you firsthand that it is not just for the sake of complaining, a lot of these screens are terrible. I'm waiting on my 3rd Nexus to come in on Wednesday and hopefully there is nothing wrong with it. But I've read countless stories about how many people had to exchange their Nexus 7 or 8 times before they got 1 without problems. But I'm just informing from experience / reading.
Aside from the faulty screens I've gotten, I LOVE this phone. It's amazing and I would definitely recommend you to order this. If you do get 1 with a faulty screen simply exchange it. Everything about this phone is great and for me the Nexus line is the only way to go now.

Not even every phone but almost EVERY device that is made whether it is a radio, television, mouse, speakers, etc. There is a chance of defect. What matters the most is whether or not they will send you a replacement in a timely fashion without question.

colonelcack said:
Okay you convinced me
So what's the process for using this phone with tmobile's $30/month plan? I order it online and then take it into any walmart?
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Buy this: http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-phone/T-Mobile-Prepaid-SIM-Activation-Kit
When it arrives, activate it here: http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-activate
Put it in your phone.
DON'T go into a store. Its an "online only" plan. Call customer service if you need to port a number.
I strongly suggest that you read the Prepaid thread and specific $30 month thread before trying it out. There are some asterisks and fine print when it comes to prepaid. I personally am running this plan and love it. I just recommend you know what you're getting into before signing up.

martonikaj said:
Buy this: http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-phone/T-Mobile-Prepaid-SIM-Activation-Kit
When it arrives, activate it here: http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-activate
Put it in your phone.
DON'T go into a store. Its an "online only" plan. Call customer service if you need to port a number.
I strongly suggest that you read the Prepaid thread and specific $30 month thread before trying it out. There are some asterisks and fine print when it comes to prepaid. I personally am running this plan and love it. I just recommend you know what you're getting into before signing up.
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Thanks. I'm reading that thread now...but I've read several pages and don't see any hidden negatives...what fine print do you speak of? Besides the 100 minutes I don't see any issues...I mostly just want the data speeds! I know about the 5GB cap if that's what you mean...if not, please explain?

colonelcack said:
Okay you convinced me
So what's the process for using this phone with tmobile's $30/month plan? I order it online and then take it into any walmart?
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Remember the cdma version seems to have the problems while the GSM version really doesn't. So if you're going for T-Mobile then you don't have too much to worry about.

colonelcack said:
Thanks. I'm reading that thread now...but I've read several pages and don't see any hidden negatives...what fine print do you speak of? Besides the 100 minutes I don't see any issues...I mostly just want the data speeds! I know about the 5GB cap if that's what you mean...if not, please explain?
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You don't get roaming, you don't get good customer service, you don't get free nights/weekends/mobile to mobile minutes, your service shuts off on the 30th day of your service if you don't refill. Things like that.
That being said its still the best deal in wireless if you don't need many minutes. I mean I still use it . The pros heavily outweigh the cons.

martonikaj said:
You don't get roaming, you don't get good customer service, you don't get free nights/weekends/mobile to mobile minutes, your service shuts off on the 30th day of your service if you don't refill. Things like that.
That being said its still the best deal in wireless if you don't need many minutes. I mean I still use it . The pros heavily outweigh the cons.
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Ah yeah the usual stuff, nothing I'm not used to coming from Virgin Mobile
But thanks for the heads up.

Order placed!!! No going back now...hope I get a good one!

Good luck! Just got mine, no problems (Screen, popping speakers) so far.
My wife got jealous and is now bugging me to find her a good deal for a <4 inch phone on TMo

colonelcack said:
Order placed!!! No going back now...hope I get a good one!
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Congrats, you won't regret it, awesome device I'm one of the people that likes this phone. Best damn device I ever held in my hands, once you root it and start flashing (If you're into that), you'll see that the experience will be even better. Enjoy.
If you want you can also try getting the SIM at your local T-Mobile store, to avoid waiting for shipping(I'm sure you'll get the Gnex quicker), rep should give you one. I would anyway..

Thanks everyone. Do you guys use a case/screen protector on yours? Or just never let it out of your hands?
It has curved glass so do screen protectors work as well?

colonelcack said:
Thanks everyone. Do you guys use a case/screen protector on yours? Or just never let it out of your hands?
It has curved glass so do screen protectors work as well?
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Personal preference really, there's a bunch of threads around with in depth info regarding SP's and Cases.
Wet apps will always have the best edge cover, but usually might have a minimal orange peel (not all cases). Dry apps on a good quality SP will be crystal clear but might not adhere all the way on edges. My 2cents with personal experience...
This is my layout...
http://www.amazon.com/Incipio-SA-Sa..._1_2?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1335845313&sr=1-2
http://xoskins.com/cell-phone-skin-...tector?zenid=ba77ed9ac693678356cf2b857e75a5dc
http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-IMAGE...LPT4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335845447&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/Comply-Tx-100...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1335845479&sr=1-1

colonelcack said:
Thanks everyone. Do you guys use a case/screen protector on yours? Or just never let it out of your hands?
It has curved glass so do screen protectors work as well?
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I use a zagg screen protector and that's it. I feel the cases take away from it design too much. I bought my GSM gnex back in November from the UK (had it shipped international to the US) and I cannot complain about one thing. Screen has been perfect . This is absolutely the best android phone ive ever used by far. You will not regret your purchase in the least bit. Have fun with it, and welcome to the family!
Edit; also if you have any questions when you receive it, don't hesitate to ask or pm
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[Q] *** I really need Informations - Help *** T-Mobile T999

Hi there.
I recently purchase a T-Mobile - T999 mobile via ebay. I am from Greece and, here, the cost for a samsung galaxy s3 is almost double....
I still own my international galaxy s i9000 but i thought it was time for a change.
Box is sealed and i ll have it on my hands in less than 3 days.
I did a big research, unfortunately after the purchase, and i realised that.
1. It seems that I9300 is faster than USA versions. Well i have seeen only tests where those guys were always used task manager to close apps and then they had a new test run etc. I didnt saw those mobiles, one next to the other with a normal daily usage. More apps on the backround etc. Is someone here who have made a test like that? Is it a big difference or not?
2. I realised that international roms cant be used on the usa models. Whats the negative on that? Will i be able to use Greek language, menu on it? Models like T999 use certain roms from t-mobile? If yes probably i am going to have a rom with many unuseful apps etc?
3. I found some ways to unlock it. If i unlock it can i unroot it after and use another rom? Will i always be unlocked whatever rom whatever flash i do? Or i should contact t-mobile and ask - pray for an unock code?
4. Do you believe if its wise to wait a bit for the new international model i9305 and sell my t999? Or stay like it?
5. The guy who from i bought that handset was the 2nd owner (weird) and he is trying to get me the receipt for service reasons. Is there a way to ask for the warranty f i dont get that receipt?
I am not sure what to do or what to expect. I am making a small invest here and since i am always keepng my mobiles for 2-3 years at least.... i need any kind of information that can be usefull.
I will appreciate any kind of help.
Thank you all in advance and forgive my poor English.
Regards

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Any help guys?

The tmobile roms will not work on any other device unless stated. I don't think tmobile will hand you an unlock code so I wouldn't expect that.
Speed wise you won't noticed a difference between the international version and us one for day to day use.
If you root it then you can uninstal any apps you don't want.
As for language you might not have much luck with foreign language with a us model.
Edit: I could be wrong, With unlocking the carrier, it should stay no matter what tmobile rom you flash.
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1. Probably not much difference. Intnl has faster processor but US version has more ram. They are both likely fast enough for just about anyone.
2. No on Greek language. Plenty of roms and development and getting better still. Yes there's lots of bloatware to remove once you root.
3. Not sure. Its been asked a few times and no one has ever said they lost unlock status from rooting and flashing. I'd be surprised if it did, but I can't be sure.
4. No idea. Judging by #5 if you can recoup all your money it might be a good idea. As far as how much better the 9305 is, I have no idea.
5. Its been owned by 2 people before you? And its never been opened? Yeah it sounds weird. I wouldn't buy that personally. Too much risk. Lots of people get scammed from deals that start that way. Here in USA if the original owner bought it on a payment plan then sold it without fully paying for it T-Mobile would block all service to the phone. So the new buyer would be out a ton of money and have a pretty Samsung version of an iPod.
Not sure about warranty.
Couple things...I don't know how much twice as much is there, but you should be able to get an i9300 for pretty close to the same price as the T999 here. (Another reason I wonder about your purchase). If you found the T999 over here you should be able to find the other as well. Am I guessing right that you got 'a really good deal' on eBay or something like that? Be careful.
Tip: in the future try to slim you post down a bit. You had 5 points with multiple questions in each. That's a lot of asking which requires a lot of answering. I speak only for myself but I generally skip posts this long until later. I'm quite certain most people would open the thread an close it before finishing #3. (In case your wondering why you haven't got an answer yet.)
Just trying to help so don't take anything the wrong way. It just gets to be tedious, difficult and unenjoyable when there is so many questions all at once. (It took about the same time to answer you as it would to answer 5 or 6 others)
Good luck!
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DocHoliday77 said:
1. Probably not much difference. Intnl has faster processor but US version has more ram. They are both likely fast enough for just about anyone.
2. No on Greek language. Plenty of roms and development and getting better still. Yes there's lots of bloatware to remove once you root.
3. Not sure. Its been asked a few times and no one has ever said they lost unlock status from rooting and flashing. I'd be surprised if it did, but I can't be sure.
4. No idea. Judging by #5 if you can recoup all your money it might be a good idea. As far as how much better the 9305 is, I have no idea.
5. Its been owned by 2 people before you? And its never been opened? Yeah it sounds weird. I wouldn't buy that personally. Too much risk. Lots of people get scammed from deals that start that way. Here in USA if the original owner bought it on a payment plan then sold it without fully paying for it T-Mobile would block all service to the phone. So the new buyer would be out a ton of money and have a pretty Samsung version of an iPod.
Not sure about warranty.
Couple things...I don't know how much twice as much is there, but you should be able to get an i9300 for pretty close to the same price as the T999 here. (Another reason I wonder about your purchase). If you found the T999 over here you should be able to find the other as well. Am I guessing right that you got 'a really good deal' on eBay or something like that? Be careful.
Tip: in the future try to slim you post down a bit. You had 5 points with multiple questions in each. That's a lot of asking which requires a lot of answering. I speak only for myself but I generally skip posts this long until later. I'm quite certain most people would open the thread an close it before finishing #3. (In case your wondering why you haven't got an answer yet.)
Just trying to help so don't take anything the wrong way. It just gets to be tedious, difficult and unenjoyable when there is so many questions all at once. (It took about the same time to answer you as it would to answer 5 or 6 others)
Good luck!
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Thank you both for your answers - opinions.
Well to be honest my cousin is coming from NY tomorrow so i wouldnt pay extra shipping costs + country taxes. Price wasnt bad i believe 510$ even tho i knew that there were better prices but i didnt had much time for extra search. That ebay guy had very good rep but i never thought to ask if he was the 1st owner since the box was sealed. When i did asked him was 2 late. As for the differences between the two models... i learned about the different cores when was 2 late as well. I always thought that they had same core but us models had more ram. Language isnt such a problem tho.
As for my many questions. You are absolutely right. But since my cousin is flying tomorrow i was thinking if i should let him bring it with him or if i should better askk him to keep it until i sell it at ebay. Thats why all these questions. Nowdays isnt the best period for bad investments... especially in Greece...
Thanks again.

Leoniums said:
Thank you both for your answers - opinions.
Well to be honest my cousin is coming from NY tomorrow so i wouldnt pay extra shipping costs + country taxes. Price wasnt bad i believe 510$ even tho i knew that there were better prices but i didnt had much time for extra search. That ebay guy had very good rep but i never thought to ask if he was the 1st owner since the box was sealed. When i did asked him was 2 late. As for the differences between the two models... i learned about the different cores when was 2 late as well. I always thought that they had same core but us models had more ram. Language isnt such a problem tho.
As for my many questions. You are absolutely right. But since my cousin is flying tomorrow i was thinking if i should let him bring it with him or if i should better askk him to keep it until i sell it at ebay. Thats why all these questions. Nowdays isnt the best period for bad investments... especially in Greece...
Thanks again.
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Yeah, I know sometimes there isnt enough time. Hope I was able to help you at least a little.
Was just thinking though, if you dont have or dont use tmobile over there, unlocking the phone for another carrier should bypass any potential problems with tmobile blocking it if that were the case. Also, if you are not currently a tmobile customer and using the phone on their network, they will not give you the unlock code, or so im told anyway.
$510 seems reasonable. Id have been more worried if it was $300! Still an odd situation with that though.
Only other thing I would really check on if I were you is to make sure your carrier supports the correct bands for the phone to function on their network.
It is a great phone and we have great devs. This forum is awesome too, have some great people here.
So if you keep it I guess we'll see you again!
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DocHoliday77 said:
Yeah, I know sometimes there isnt enough time. Hope I was able to help you at least a little.
Was just thinking though, if you dont have or dont use tmobile over there, unlocking the phone for another carrier should bypass any potential problems with tmobile blocking it if that were the case.
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Unlocking that phone it seems easy from i have read until now. After all since it has never been switched on probably it wont be locked etc. Of course i am not going to use t-mobile here.
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Only other thing I would really check on if I were you is to make sure your carrier supports the correct bands for the phone to function on their network.
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Well i have done that and everything seems ok.
DocHoliday77 said:
It is a great phone and we have great devs. This forum is awesome too, have some great people here.
So if you keep it I guess we'll see you again!
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Of course you will I know about this forum for a ''while'' but i wasnt posting a lot though. I always read read read
I have done tones of modifications on my curent i9000
As for the devs you wont find better devs anywhere else... for sure !!!
Thanks again.

My classmates from Frances with 2 international versions and test against mine. It's really about the same. Sometimes mine is faster because I am on Jelly Beans and my ROM is super lean. International version chip may not support T-mobile band especially 4G so beware - 1700mhz.
My US phone is very responsive to all operation. The 4cores is better than bigger RAM but they only give you micro seconds faster in daily usage so it really don't worth the trouble.

Not Getting Next Note5/Galaxy Phone with Locked Bootloader

Because of a nice 20% discount I have, and being on a robust family share plan, I am pretty much chained to AT&T as far as saving me money. I owned every iPhone up to the iPhone 5, I returned it after a week and went to the Galaxy S3. I loved it, I loved the cutomization, tweaks, and feeling like I could do what I want with the phone. I enjoyed the iPhone Jailbreaking but the noose was getting tighter and tighter. I went next to the Note 3 and loved it as well, I felt free and like my device was my device, I could do what I wanted.
Sadly with the Note 4, although I have enjoyed it, if I could go back, I would have kept my Note 3. I know the screen is better, and my battery life is actually better then my Note 3, but I just feel like Samsung/AT&T puts me in a tough spot. Sure custom roms, and rooted devices isn't for everyone, but if I am going to pay $800 for a phone, I should be able to do what I want with it. I wouldn't buy a GPU or CPU that I couldn't tweak or overclock, its just my personality I guess and how I feel about my devices and the money I spend on them.
Does anyone else feel like they will be reconsidering their next phone purchase according to the state of the devices bootloader and ability to root and put on custom roms? I have been loving Sammy, but next year I WILL NOT be getting the Note 5 if things are the same. Interested in you guys thoughts on the matter.

I don't think anyone is excited about the locked boot loader.

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I don't think anyone is excited about the locked boot loader.
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I know that no one is "excited" about it, just wondering if for anyone else it is going to impact their purchasing decision as well. Again it was a big reason I got away from the iPhone myself.

I pulled the trigger a bit too early and got the AT&T Note 4 on release day and ended up taking it back 4 days later just because of the locked boot loader. Picking up a T-Mobile Note 4 tomorrow and using it on AT&T.

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Because of a nice 20% discount I have, and being on a robust family share plan, I am pretty much chained to AT&T as far as saving me money. I owned every iPhone up to the iPhone 5, I returned it after a week and went to the Galaxy S3. I loved it, I loved the cutomization, tweaks, and feeling like I could do what I want with the phone. I enjoyed the iPhone Jailbreaking but the noose was getting tighter and tighter. I went next to the Note 3 and loved it as well, I felt free and like my device was my device, I could do what I wanted.
Sadly with the Note 4, although I have enjoyed it, if I could go back, I would have kept my Note 3. I know the screen is better, and my battery life is actually better then my Note 3, but I just feel like Samsung/AT&T puts me in a tough spot. Sure custom roms, and rooted devices isn't for everyone, but if I am going to pay $800 for a phone, I should be able to do what I want with it. I wouldn't buy a GPU or CPU that I couldn't tweak or overclock, its just my personality I guess and how I feel about my devices and the money I spend on them.
Does anyone else feel like they will be reconsidering their next phone purchase according to the state of the devices bootloader and ability to root and put on custom roms? I have been loving Sammy, but next year I WILL NOT be getting the Note 5 if things are the same. Interested in you guys thoughts on the matter.
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YEP I am still on an international Note II. Until i know for sure which International Note 4 will work on ATT :LTE, there is no reason to switch devices for me. I don't have LTE now so I am not missing anything. Otherwise I will wait for the prices to drop and buy the ATT version and live with it. I won;t pay $800 for a locked device unless its unlocked and rootable and at this point works on ATT LTE. I am reading of some people with the 910C working in US ATT with LTE. But I am not convinced yet.

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YEP I am still on an international Note II. Until i know for sure which International Note 4 will work on ATT :LTE, there is no reason to switch devices for me. I don't have LTE now so I am not missing anything. Otherwise I will wait for the prices to drop and buy the ATT version and live with it. I won;t pay $800 for a locked device unless its unlocked and rootable and at this point works on ATT LTE. I am reading of some people with the 910C working in US ATT with LTE. But I am not convinced yet.
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I had an international note 1 before LTE was a big deal. Then I went with Tmobile for the note 3. Why not get what has been proven to work for the note 4 and get the 910T? You also have the option of switching carriers in the future and higher resale value here in the US. The international roms are ported over so you get the latest and greatest too.

I got a small discount for an ATT Note 4. I am on TMO and should have just paid the extra for the TMO version. Never doing this locked bootloader thing again. I just want root to restore full access to the microSD. Hopefully we'll get root before Lollipop...

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I got a small discount for an ATT Note 4. I am on TMO and should have just paid the extra for the TMO version. Never doing this locked bootloader thing again. I just want root to restore full access to the microSD. Hopefully we'll get root before Lollipop...
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Not being a negative Nancy, but I doubt root will happen anytime soon.

Just be honest all you guys are just Flashaholics and that's very addicted, I do understand your points i am a Developer for Roms , So for now The Note 4 i Got AT&T is running Amazing fast and i am in no hurry for root or a custom recovery if it even ever happens which i am sure it will, And of course i wouldn't mind it being unlocked and rooted, If it happens then i'll start Developing Roms again for my Device NOTE 4 , But i am enjoying the phone just the way it is, So all of you's gonna have to wait, If not do like some are doing which isn't working 100% if traveling a lot on T-Mobile it will fail certain areas for AT&T Service!
Another Thing is this won't last forever as all phones are gonna keep getting locked on all Providers it will Happen to T-Mobile and International, Sooner or later in the future there's not gonna be any Root and unlocked phones, it will keep getting worst!

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Just be honest all you guys are just Flashaholics and that's very addicted, I do understand your points i am a Developer for Roms , So for now The Note 4 i Got AT&T is running Amazing fast and i am in no hurry for root or a custom recovery if it even ever happens which i am sure it will, And of course i wouldn't mind it being unlocked and rooted, If it happens then i'll start Developing Roms again for my Device NOTE 4 , But i am enjoying the phone just the way it is, So all of you's gonna have to wait, If not do like some are doing which isn't working 100% if traveling a lot on T-Mobile it will fail certain areas for AT&T Service!
Another Thing is this won't last forever as all phones are gonna keep getting locked on all Providers it will Happen to T-Mobile and International, Sooner or later in the future there's not gonna be any Root and unlocked phones, it will keep getting worst!
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I disagree that some point in the future all phones will be locked. Baloney. At that point the community will shift and we will all own that limited edition CM phone that came out (my friend got one). Open source and Android filled a gap where there was one before. We supported them, and now that they are so big and popular they crack down. It's only a matter of time before another giant rises from the mist and we throw our support behind that. I am a flashaholic and there is nothing wrong with that. But I will also add there are performance issues with the note 4, my ram usage is 2 gb on boot, and without greenify so many of my apps are causing wake locks in the background.

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I disagree that some point in the future all phones will be locked. Baloney. At that point the community will shift and we will all own that limited edition CM phone that came out (my friend got one). Open source and Android filled a gap where there was one before. We supported them, and now that they are so big and popular they crack down. It's only a matter of time before another giant rises from the mist and we throw our support behind that. I am a flashaholic and there is nothing wrong with that. But I will also add there are performance issues with the note 4, my ram usage is 2 gb on boot, and without greenify so many of my apps are causing wake locks in the background.
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I understand my friend, i wouldn't mind it being unlocked and rooted like i said i develope roms, and as of now i have no issues at all with my note 4 it's running at least 2.6 on ram from 3gb of ram and i haven't had one issue at all no lags what's so ever performance is excellent as it is right now.
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I understand my friend, i wouldn't mind it being unlocked and rooted like i said i develope roms, and as of now i have no issues at all with my note 4 it's running at least 2.6 on ram from 3gb of ram and i haven't had one issue at all no lags what's so ever performance is excellent as it is right now.
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Oh ram use on mines shows 787 mb being used.
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That might be how much is free but no way that's how much is being used. I've even restored a couple times, it doesn't drop that low even disabling bloatware. I'd like to see a screen shot, and any info on how if possible you pulled thst miracle off?

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If not do like some are doing which isn't working 100% if traveling a lot on T-Mobile it will fail certain areas for AT&T Service!
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Really? I've been following this note 4 forum closely ever since it started and I haven't heard of the 910T "failing" in certain areas to get AT&T service. Can you cite any? I'd like to read them. I searched. I have heard nothing but good things and technically it should be 100% compatible except for LTE Advanced which is in a few cities and only for capacity. So normal LTE will work just as good/fast.

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Really? I've been following this note 4 forum closely ever since it started and I haven't heard of the 910T "failing" in certain areas to get AT&T service. Can you cite any? I'd like to read them. I searched. I have heard nothing but good things and technically it should be 100% compatible except for LTE Advanced which is in a few cities and only for capacity. So normal LTE should work just as good/fast.
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Look for some of my post can't link them since I'm at work but lots are having this issue.
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Look for some of my post can't link them since I'm at work but lots are having this issue.
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Ahhhhh, ok. I looked at your post history. I think you are a bit confused.
This post below by JasonJoel was referring to T-mobile service not the 910t on AT&T service.
"I can tell you from personal experience that if you go 10 miles outside of Austin you will have no data service with T-Mobile.
Heck I would lose data even staying on interstate going from Austin to Dallas. Let alone any back roads.
But whatever. If it works for you, then cool!"
And then your response talks about the 910t failing to get AT&T service. I think your friend must have had some settings wrong. Was this the N4 or N3?

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Ahhhhh, ok. I looked at your post history. I think you are a bit confused.
This post below by JasonJoel was referring to T-mobile service not the 910t on AT&T service.
"I can tell you from personal experience that if you go 10 miles outside of Austin you will have no data service with T-Mobile.
Heck I would lose data even staying on interstate going from Austin to Dallas. Let alone any back roads.
But whatever. If it works for you, then cool!"
And then your response talks about the 910t failing to get AT&T service. I think your friend must have had some settings wrong. Was this the N4 or N3?
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Was note 4 and all settings were correct, i checked myself and did some testing on his phone and same thing happens plus i am a Developer so i knew what i was looking for and checking.
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jokesonme said:
Because of a nice 20% discount I have, and being on a robust family share plan, I am pretty much chained to AT&T as far as saving me money. I owned every iPhone up to the iPhone 5, I returned it after a week and went to the Galaxy S3. I loved it, I loved the cutomization, tweaks, and feeling like I could do what I want with the phone. I enjoyed the iPhone Jailbreaking but the noose was getting tighter and tighter. I went next to the Note 3 and loved it as well, I felt free and like my device was my device, I could do what I wanted.
Sadly with the Note 4, although I have enjoyed it, if I could go back, I would have kept my Note 3. I know the screen is better, and my battery life is actually better then my Note 3, but I just feel like Samsung/AT&T puts me in a tough spot. Sure custom roms, and rooted devices isn't for everyone, but if I am going to pay $800 for a phone, I should be able to do what I want with it. I wouldn't buy a GPU or CPU that I couldn't tweak or overclock, its just my personality I guess and how I feel about my devices and the money I spend on them.
Does anyone else feel like they will be reconsidering their next phone purchase according to the state of the devices bootloader and ability to root and put on custom roms? I have been loving Sammy, but next year I WILL NOT be getting the Note 5 if things are the same. Interested in you guys thoughts on the matter.
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I got lucky I got them to trade my N4 for a Nexus 6 with a larger window because of the delay on the Nexus, so yeah I am bugging out this Gen and never looking back towards SAmmy again!

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I've owned nothing but Android Phablets going back to the Dell Streak. Then copped the Note 1, 2 and now this one. If there's at least no root within the next year, i'll seriously consider getting a Iphone 6 plus. I felt the whole purpose of Android was freedom of choice and customization. None of apps that were running on my Note 2 are worth a darn since Titanium Backup is useless w/o root. I relied pretty heavy on TB. Freezing apps, backups scheduled weekly.
Since i got this phone two weeks ago, I've had a couple of freezes after phone calls. A "little" lag but nothing too heavy. I'm not liking this at all for overall. Sad face!!!
jokesonme said:
Because of a nice 20% discount I have, and being on a robust family share plan, I am pretty much chained to AT&T as far as saving me money. I owned every iPhone up to the iPhone 5, I returned it after a week and went to the Galaxy S3. I loved it, I loved the cutomization, tweaks, and feeling like I could do what I want with the phone. I enjoyed the iPhone Jailbreaking but the noose was getting tighter and tighter. I went next to the Note 3 and loved it as well, I felt free and like my device was my device, I could do what I wanted.
Sadly with the Note 4, although I have enjoyed it, if I could go back, I would have kept my Note 3. I know the screen is better, and my battery life is actually better then my Note 3, but I just feel like Samsung/AT&T puts me in a tough spot. Sure custom roms, and rooted devices isn't for everyone, but if I am going to pay $800 for a phone, I should be able to do what I want with it. I wouldn't buy a GPU or CPU that I couldn't tweak or overclock, its just my personality I guess and how I feel about my devices and the money I spend on them.
Does anyone else feel like they will be reconsidering their next phone purchase according to the state of the devices bootloader and ability to root and put on custom roms? I have been loving Sammy, but next year I WILL NOT be getting the Note 5 if things are the same. Interested in you guys thoughts on the matter.
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I had an international note 1 before LTE was a big deal. Then I went with Tmobile for the note 3. Why not get what has been proven to work for the note 4 and get the 910T? You also have the option of switching carriers in the future and higher resale value here in the US. The international roms are ported over so you get the latest and greatest too.
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That is exactly what I did. Bought on off Swappa slightly used rommed and rooted. $690. I have the unlock code coming and hope to use it on ATT by next week. I did not want to have to join T Mobile for a month. Swappa has a few of them available. :good:

If I like the specs and features of the next one, I will get that also.
Rooting is a luxury to me, not a necessity as it is for some.

About ready to ditch Samsung...(darn it)

My current phone is a Note 4. I've been a Sammy user since Galaxy was introduced (started with Captivate, as I"m on AT&T.)
So, interestingly, I"m not very happy with the Note 4:
AT&T issue - Not rootable. (I don't care any longer for custom ROMS, but miss some capabilities that root offers)
I have several little crazy issues, but 2 main ones are: Google voice prompt speaker whistles with feedback when first say 'OK Google' (Got a replacement and same issue on it); Can't get any app to consistently read texts over BT while driving.
I think the bloatware is causing some performance problems for me. I have disabled several and it did help.
I have a LOT of apps installed. Always have. Counting bloatware that may not be disabled, I have around 150.
Oh, also, I have lots of problems with Pandora on this phone. When the accessory is launched from my car, often it fails. When I play Pandora app, it often quits playing if it is not the front/active app. Very annoying.
If multitasking, it definitely has strong lags.
So I was thinking that the Note 5 would be my final phone for a while (actually thought that about this one). But I read that the 4GB is half used up on initial boot. So, I'm thinking I need to move to something less bloated. I don't have any confidence that the Note 5 would be rootable, I did have confidence that it would be eventually on the Note 4...but it's taking a long time.
Given my large app list, I'm thinking thatI should not settle for less than 4GB . Less bloat may help that issue...look at a pure Android experience maybe. (Of course chasing that via a custom ROM may be an alternative...but we know the status of that on the Note 4. Plus, in the past I've tried a lot of different ROMS, including popular 'stable' ones, and they ALL have bugs.)
I'm hoping to get something that works much better hands free. Haven't had much luck with that with any of my Android phones. I had much better luck with that way back when I was on Microsoft's phone OS, before Windows phone...with Microsoft's Voice Command.

Thinking of switching to Tmobile. Trade in the Note 4 for a Moto X style. Great specs for $399. It'll be easy to pay off. Service monthly payments will be cheaper then att.
But I've invested money in a gear vr and cases. Still deciding and looking at other devices.
Also most Samsung phones on Tmobile are or at most times get root.
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I'm waiting for the official launch of the Note 5, and if it doesn't have the expandable memory as its being reported, then I'm a definite bye-bye Samsung. And no matter what, never again AT&T.

DARKCHYLDX101 said:
Thinking of switching to Tmobile. Trade in the Note 4 for a Moto X style. Great specs for $399. It'll be easy to pay off. Service monthly payments will be cheaper then att.
But I've invested money in a gear vr and cases. Still deciding and looking at other devices.
Also most Samsung phones on Tmobile are or at most times get root.
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I actually considered purchasing a TMobile one when I got this one. Could still sell/change...but I've lost confidence in the Samsung brand working. I hear good things about the Moto phones. I'm considering the Pure...but given my penchant for a lot of apps (none of them games), I'm thinking I need 4 GB RAM.
I don't want to change to TMobile due to less coverage. I have considered moving to Verizon to bet better data speed in my area (St. Augustine, FL), but they would cost me more than AT&T, and I'm not sure I would get better data speeds.
Kamau54 said:
I'm waiting for the official launch of the Note 5, and if it doesn't have the expandable memory as its being reported, then I'm a definite bye-bye Samsung. And no matter what, never again AT&T.
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Sounds pretty much for sure it won't have the SD. But even if it does, in my case, I'm just ready to move away from Samsung. Of course, I could find I have as much trouble getting what I want it to do with any of them.
I checked on the Moto site, and it says we can test for 14 days and return for free if not happy. I may just give that a whirl.

There is no expandable memory on the Note 5

Kamau54 said:
I'm waiting for the official launch of the Note 5, and if it doesn't have the expandable memory as its being reported, then I'm a definite bye-bye Samsung. And no matter what, never again AT&T.
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I used the note 5, it's the same memory as the s6, you shouldn't be surprised. And you should have no hope for root or an unlock on any att or verizon phone. Seriously, you all know what to expect, but the phone from tmobile or the international version.

fortillian said:
There is no expandable memory on the Note 5
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Yup, as I said, that's what is being reported.
thanitos said:
I used the note 5, it's the same memory as the s6, you shouldn't be surprised. And you should have no hope for root or an unlock on any att or verizon phone. Seriously, you all know what to expect, but the phone from tmobile or the international version.
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No surprise to me. That's part of why I'm ditching Samsung. Maybe my posts haven't been quite clear about that though.

I got to see and hold the note 5, just confirming the reports of no expandable media.

The point of this thread is .... ?

I feel you big time. I also love big ole sammy, but bloat is a huge problem. I have been using the GS6 edge for the last week and I will say I love it. My note 4 is sooooo sssluuggish. Its gets frustrating. I also have a lot of app.s. Maybe that is the problem. I got this to be my everyday device. A phablet. But I am really leaning the direction of just having my nexus for reading/gaming and a phone for social. That has really been working for me this past week. The GS6 Edge is very snappy and the less bloat on these new phones help a lot. I aloso disabled a bunch and put on nova on and call me speedy gonzalez because I am flying.

Yep me too! My next phone will definitely have to be the One plus Two or Moto X 2015. It all depends on what I can get my hands on first. I love Samsung, but if I can't have my freedom on what I wanna do with my phone, there's no point of having an android version of an iPhone. Because if those were my only two options, iPhone would be my first choice. I choose Android because of Root, and customization. Not stupid Knox and carriers locking the bootloader crap. I wish I would've kept my jailbroken iPhone if I knew that were the case. So yeah definitely One plus Two, maybe Moto X if it's unlockable and rootable

Since some Notes are locked down and others not,shouldn't everyone's anger be placed on the carrier? Obviously AT&T and Verizon are the ones at fault. If you like the Note series buy unlocked or go for the guaranteed unlocked Nexus. I have both so when I want to mess around I have the Nexus and sometimes it's nice to trade off to the full featured Note. It really is the best way to go and keeps my anger to a minimum. I have to say with the Nexus you never have these back and forth games and you can do whatever you want without worrying about an update locking you out for the long term.
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fbauto1 said:
The point of this thread is .... ?
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This is general discussion about att note 4. This is what op is doing. Please be more kind to people.

fbauto1 said:
The point of this thread is .... ?
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I think the purpose is more obvious than your contribution to the thread.
dagolith said:
This is general discussion about att note 4. This is what op is doing. Please be more kind to people.
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Yup, generate discussion. I think it's been pretty successful at doing that.

May try T-Mobile Note 4 - Root...
Before I abandon Samsung, I may try abandoning the AT&T version of the Note 4.
I haven't been interested in putting on ROMS (did that a lot on previous phones, and I find even for those that are touted as 'solid', there are always one bug or another), but maybe that is what I should do. Been reading on various ROMS over on the T-Mobile forum.
So, if I do this, next I need to decide whether to abandon TW (I do like some of the features...), then if not, whether to install a KitKat or LP ROM. I may try one or both of those options, then if not happy, try AOSP.
Then if not happy, maybe by then there will be reviews out on others I'm considering...although the Nexus has to arrive. From what I'm seeing, it'll be October before that gets out.

My anger is with ATT for being locked down and even more so Samsung. Their greed is borderline criminal IMHO. There is absolutely no reason why the Note 4 and Edge cannot have the updated Touchwiz. Wish I had stuck with my Nexus 6, but only gave up on it because it didn't take advantage of the big screen and Android M took care of that. Been trying to trade my Edge for a G4 or N6 for weeks now.

Still seriously confused why some st**id carriers locked down phones? Should have make some research before trading my trustworthy Note 3 for Note 4 at&t. I don't see this device having unlocked bootloader soon G4 callling

I had faith they would break it and be able to root it. Seems that the developers for Samsung or AT&T is finally getting ahead of our developers and winning that battle.
I no longer have faith the AT&T will get rooted.
In fact, it's starting to feel like the leanings are headed to no root more and more.

ewingr said:
I had faith they would break it and be able to root it. Seems that the developers for Samsung or AT&T is finally getting ahead of our developers and winning that battle.
I no longer have faith the AT&T will get rooted.
In fact, it's starting to feel like the leanings are headed to no root more and more.
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Lol also 2nd ur opinion. I gave up on this phone been root able, deal is the phone is fast still so I don't have the need to root lol but I do have a gear s from att?which I would like to one day install a Droid port but sucks is att and locked. Stupid carrier

yemkoid said:
Still seriously confused why some st**id carriers locked down phones? Should have make some research before trading my trustworthy Note 3 for Note 4 at&t. I don't see this device having unlocked bootloader soon G4 callling
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The locking of bootloaders is to exponentially increase security in order to gain military, government and corporate contracts...which they did. Verizon and AT&T Samsung devices were rated highest in security in today's market. T-Mobile and Sprint chose not to most likely because they do not have the coverage country-wide to encourage those sales.

Has root been achieved by anyone yet?

So. I'm sure everyone here is annoyed of this question. But I can't get a clear answer.
Has root been achieved yet on the AT&T Model?
It's obvious the bootloader isn't going to be unlocked anytime soon. But that doesn't necessarily mean we can't get root..
I've heard somewhere that Kingoroot works but I'm not sure on what version of android and if it actually does work.
I don't mind if I have to downgrade to like 4.4.4 or something, as long as I get root.

No root. Phone is more locked down than a capitol building after a bomb threat.
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This will be the last AT&T phone I buy. I have an old contract that has 2 year upgrades. They are refusing to upgrade and quickly offered to let me out of my unlimited data plan. If they won't subsidize the phone I have no reason to buy from them when unlocked devices can be purchased for the same price.

Agreed... since Note 4 is the only Note (to my knowledge) that is being used by the Federal government under contract, they have locked it down tight and permanent root will *never* be possible. I am personally waiting for the new Note (6 or 7 or whatever they want to call it) to come out, and hopefully the Feds will not pick it up, so we can root it.
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unacceptable
this is the last time i get hoodwinked by att, ive got 4 months left and then i can add the monthly payments for this piece of trash to my new *unlocked* phone budget

Ugh
Every thread, someone comes in and complains about how this will be their last ATT or Samsung phone because there is no root. If that's your decision, then that's fine, and I'm not against you (I'd honestly never buy one again too, but I can't afford +/-$800 international version phones and ATT has the best signal here in the country where I live), but there's no need in coming into threads and poluting them with the same comments over and over again. I mean, this thread is now off topic since the OP was only asking whether or not root was acheived. That's it.
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spexwood said:
Ugh
Every thread, someone comes in and complains about how this will be their last ATT or Samsung phone because there is no root. If that's your decision, then that's fine, and I'm not against you (I'd honestly never buy one again too, but I can't afford +/-$800 international version phones and ATT has the best signal here in the country where I live), but there's no need in coming into threads and poluting them with the same comments over and over again. I mean, this thread is now off topic since the OP was only asking whether or not root was acheived. That's it.
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you cant afford to save up $800 (which by the way would get you an INCREADIBLE phone from anyone OTHER than samsung or apple) but you can afford to be on the hook, paying $18-32 PER month for the forseeable future? do you smoke or drink coffee? cause either of those is another $4-9 a day ($120-270 PER month)
and this is the first post i have made in almost 2 years, i came in to see if there was root for the Note 4, saw there wasnt and expressed my opinion, i dont know what communist country youre from but here in america thats kinda my right so go untwist your panties on someone else

I love how you immediately assume I'm from a communist country and then claim to be from America and hint at how it's better than my country... especially since I'm also from the US. So since my country is communist, are you saying that America is communist?!?!
I also love how you immediately took offense to my post and assumed that I was talking to you directly when I never quoted you, nor ANYONE directly. I never said anything like YOU are coming into these threads and posting the same stuff. What I said was that whenever someone makes a thread related to root, the thread immediately turns into a whine - fest of people complaining about how they'll never buy another ATT or Samsung phone again. The other thing I said was that because of the whine - fest that's starting up here, this thread is now going off topic from what the OP originally asked. His question has been answered and unless he has additional questions, this thread is done.
Finally, yeah, I do drink coffee. So what? What does a cup of frickin Folgers have to do with how much money I make and can afford to spend up front?
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you cant afford to save up $800 (which by the way would get you an INCREADIBLE phone from anyone OTHER than samsung or apple) but you can afford to be on the hook, paying $18-32 PER month for the forseeable future? do you smoke or drink coffee? cause either of those is another $4-9 a day ($120-270 PER month)
and this is the first post i have made in almost 2 years, i came in to see if there was root for the Note 4, saw there wasnt and expressed my opinion, i dont know what communist country youre from but here in america thats kinda my right so go untwist your panties on someone else
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