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[Q]Will you switch from GS3 to GS4?

I'm just curious who will be switching from from the GS3, to the GS4? I just can't see where the minor improvements= spending more money. Besides I hear the GS3 will receive alot of the same software features that the GS4 will have.

joeyhdownsouth said:
I'm just curious who will be switching from from the GS3, to the GS4? I just can't see where the minor improvements= spending more money. Besides I hear the GS3 will receive alot of the same software features that the GS4 will have.
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You heard right, we will receive most of the features of the s4, no need to upgrade until gs5 is out :thumbup:

flastnoles11 said:
You heard right, we will receive most of the features of the s4, no need to upgrade until gs5 is out :thumbup:
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This^
Plus, its really only small hardware upgrades to pay for a completely new phone

joeyhdownsouth said:
I'm just curious who will be switching from from the GS3, to the GS4? I just can't see where the minor improvements= spending more money. Besides I hear the GS3 will receive alot of the same software features that the GS4 will have.
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Hate to say it but I don't use my S3 that much any more. Lol last thing I'm gonna do is shell out money for the S4 (iPhone talk) aka S3s. When my contract is up then I'll change to the S5.
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CNexus said:
This^
Plus, its really only small hardware upgrades to pay for a completely new phone
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The main thing they upgraded it camera Imo. But it's just as ****ty. Going from 8 megapixels to 13, that's idiotic.. Megapixels are just image size. Not quality what so ever. Ya to the average eye it looks good, but it's trash. In 5 years the stupid company's will be going around with 25 megapixel cameras built in.
Image quality is from the size of the camera lense and the physical quality and type of the lense. Taking a turd and making it billboard sized is still a turd.
Sorry about my stupid raging lol. Just stupid they are changing some software and increasing mega pixel size and some small hardware change and calling it a new phone.
Oh and if anyone wants an example of what I'm talking about, go take a picture of something that isn't up close (maybe something across the room), then go into gallery and look at the image. Fully zoomed out it looks darn near perfect, but go to its real size and it's garbage

Im most likely getting the Note3 or most likely the Note4. in the next year in a half

how is quad core and twice the camera a small upgrade... god people these days are so not happy with progress... altho the international version is way better as alwayss supposed to have a 8 core?
i remember when i had 222mhz computer 1 core that and not even a gig hd was 10 lbs toolol :good:
not to mention every galaxy and the g1 and mytouch im going to keep upgrading with them just cuz i couldnt stand it when i had the s2 and the s3 just looked way nicer
im just pissed theres still hardware buttons they need to ditch that **** and give us the option of the international set up but with lte theres no reason why we cant have that other than ****ing carriers here.and "hardware compat" which is bs said that bout the s3 also

I keep telling myself I dont need the S4....but i'm sure I will cave sooner than later. As long as the S3 isn't neglected like some of sprints devices tend to be at times to influence early upgrades, S3 may be just fine with me.
The main thing that ticks me off is when Samsung releases the next big thing RIGHT after the next big thing...if that makes any sense. I know they need to keep their profits up and stay competitive with apple, but they literally JUST released the galaxy S3 and Note 2. It just really ticks me off knowing that someone out there is going to get 3-4 times the performance and double the screen definition and vibrance for virtually the same price I paid for my galaxy s3.
Sprint needs to apply T Mobiles idea to their service. If someone wants to upgrade early just add 20-30 dollars onto their monthly bill until the device is paid off. Expensive? for some, but not that bad for a brand new galaxy S4.
I wouldn't even be thinking about the S4 if Samsung would of blessed the U.S. with the 1.4ghz quad core.....but they didn't. So basically i paid the same price as the international version for my U.S. version Galaxy S3 that has two less processors in it.
Ok, i'll stop complaining now. I love my S3, I just think these two year contracts can be easily replaced with something better. Sprint would more than likely gain more customers and customers would be able to upgrade at any time for 20 dollars a month. T Mobile is going to gain some stock over this, I really like their new direction.
If T-Mobile had decent service around Omaha, I probably would consider switching....but Sprint and Verizon run the show around here, T Mobile is not very settled in around here.

No need to switch for minor upgrades.. we getting all the same bells and whistles via software.. switching would make about as much sense as having a peeing section in the pool.
However, Maybe when GS5 Comes out.. or the Note 4 (the 10" version at the rate they are going) then it might be worth a swap.

Dreamlogix said:
how is quad core and twice the camera a small upgrade... god people these days are so not happy with progress... altho the international version is way better as alwayss supposed to have a 8 core?
i remember when i had 222mhz computer 1 core that and not even a gig hd was 10 lbs toolol :good:
not to mention every galaxy and the g1 and mytouch im going to keep upgrading with them just cuz i couldnt stand it when i had the s2 and the s3 just looked way nicer
im just pissed theres still hardware buttons they need to ditch that **** and give us the option of the international set up but with lte theres no reason why we cant have that other than ****ing carriers here.and "hardware compat" which is bs said that bout the s3 also
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The reason I consider it a small upgrade is that I've researched it some and all 4 cores would never be in use at the same time only 2 would, and as ReapersDeath said, other than that the only "major" change is the camera which i dont personally see as a huge step up or as justifying me having to pay for a new phone
And the reason it wont have 8 cores is because Exynos and LTE arent compatible...so if you're thinking of getting the international version just cuz it has more cores, then be prepared to miss out on LTE
This is what i've read anyway, there are some more detailed discussions going on over there if you wanna check it out

I will wait, to me it's not "the next big thing", it's just not worth shelling out more $. I'll wait and see what the note3 or s5 has to offer.
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joeyhdownsouth said:
I will wait, to me it's not "the next big thing", it's just not worth shelling out more $. I'll wait and see what the note3 or s5 has to offer.
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My thoughts exactly

CNexus said:
The reason I consider it a small upgrade is that I've researched it some and all 4 cores would never be in use at the same time only 2 would, and as ReapersDeath said, other than that the only "major" change is the camera which i dont personally see as a huge step up or as justifying me having to pay for a new phone
And the reason it wont have 8 cores is because Exynos and LTE arent compatible...so if you're thinking of getting the international version just cuz it has more cores, then be prepared to miss out on LTE
This is what i've read anyway, there are some more detailed discussions going on over there if you wanna check it out
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Not sure what the site was as I read it on pulse but the chip set does work with lte. It won't make it to the states due to supply and demand.
I really see no point in upgrading. They will have everything out for the s3 and once the s3 is no longer supported their will still be roms. Only way I will upgrade before the note 3 or s5 is if I have to replace my phone and they are out of the s3.
EDIT: found the article http://androidcommunity.com/samsung...cpu-supports-all-major-lte-networks-20130329/
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JUMP!ing to Another Device, NEED HELP!

Well it has been fun guys, I have definitely loved the experience of having the Note 3, but my 6 months are up and quite frankly, I just don't want it anymore. Just wish Cyanogenmod was kept up to date as fast as the S4 or Nexus 5. Anyway, it has been a great experience, and the community has been awesome for the most part. I just have one question to ask before I go for good...
Which one do I get???
Galaxy S5 or the Nexus 5??? OR maybe something else? Please help me decide XDA! Most of you guys know me as an experienced developer, and I am leaning towards the Nexus 5, but any reason why I should go with something else???
Thank you so much!!
WDM - Korey

I've been thinking about getting the new HTC one (m8). With an SD card slot, I'm thinking about moving back to htc. With Knox and a possibility of a locked bootloader Samsung is not going to be an option for the next phone I get. But if you are more into the pure Android experience and cm the Nexus 5 is a great phone too. Though there is a GPe version of the One which will be ported to the carriers by someone here.
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Man, after finally getting my hands on the 3, I just can't imagine why anyone would want to jump ship!
It's an amazing devise and there's so much development for it!
Having said that, the GS5 is gorgeous (of course), but I think if I were in your shoes (and just wanted away from the Note) I'd go with the newest Nexus series that's out.
Talk about your deluge of roms! Not only that, but if all else fails, you've got a rock solid stock Android experience you can always return too. That's highly compelling, to me at least.
Good luck with your decision, but I just know you'll miss having that 3 in your pocket and on your desk.

I'm in the same boat. I've decided on the HTC One m8 since you can have the best of both worlds (Google Play Rom should be available soon) and the hardware is fantastic. I just hope I don't get flak for Knox being tripped and that is the reason for me giving up on Samsung devices since I like to tinker with my devices.

I wouldn't jump to the S 5 since the bootloader is allegedly locked.

mattlgroff said:
I wouldn't jump to the S 5 since the bootloader is allegedly locked.
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Damn...well I would bet a lot of money that it will be unlocked in a week after release. Anyone wanna take me up on that?
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I would have thought the same about resetting 0X1 knox, too, but we all know that hasn't happened yet.

True lol
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Pointless...
Here's a link to T-Mobile's S5 webpage with specs...
http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/samsung-galaxy-s-5.html
I have an honest and legit question for you, actually a question I've been thinking about as well since I am ready to JUMP as of yesterday.
Why go get a S5 that has
a. A smaller screen then the Note3
b. 2gb of ram instead of the Note3's 3gb
c. Doesn't have the S-Pen (debatable depending on your actual use)
d. Both run KitKat stock
I understand the S5 has a 2.5ghz quad core and the Note3 only (lol) has a 2.3ghz quad core but is that .2ghz really nominal? I don't personally think so. Plus you loose 1gb of ram, which to me (running lots of apps) is a big deal.
I honestly have to say after doing some research, until T-Mobile releases a phone substantially better than the Note3 I have no reason to JUMP.
Opinions?
-DJ Nuff Said

I just don't like the lack of support for the device in the Dev community. Also, I'm tired of having such a big phone. It's a little excessive IMO
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Whosdaman said:
I just don't like the lack of support for the device in the Dev community. Also, I'm tired of having such a big phone. It's a little excessive IMO
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I agree with you on the dev part in a way. Yes, we don't have as much dev support (like the s2, s3, s4) but I think the dev support we do have is very solid. Yeah the jump to KK is buggy but that will go away soon enough. and if .6" less of screen really makes a huge difference of how much space it takes up in your pocket, then maybe you should buy a larger size of pants LOL jk man

djnuffsaid said:
I agree with you on the dev part in a way. Yes, we don't have as much dev support (like the s2, s3, s4) but I think the dev support we do have is very solid. Yeah the jump to KK is buggy but that will go away soon enough. and if .6" less of screen really makes a huge difference of how much space it takes up in your pocket, then maybe you should buy a larger size of pants LOL jk man
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Lol, well like I said I'm more leaning towards nexus 5, and potentially iPhone 6 or Nexus 6 later this year. Just because I want to try the new thing
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What lurks in my gray matter
I have been in this dilemma since leaving verizon 2 weeks ago, best decision ever btw!
Here is why I have decided to get the note 3 , yet again after leaving verizon
1- S5 , from the rumors will have locked bootlaoder, I cant believe T-mobile is following the evil tracks, really upsets me , but I think in the long run, only nexus devices will be allowed to be modded without voiding warranty. S5 will also have knox, so even if we hacked the bootloader, form the look of things it will hinder your Jump program and warranty claims ( something I am pooping my pants over right now, and I am thinking of downgrading my Jump program to basic insurance ) . Aside form that S5 like stated above, has less ram, more pixel density that you will mostly not notice , no stylus, and I kinda dig the faux leather thing with note 3. The only thing I used to think has going for it is the wifi boost technology but I am on 1 gb plan and no way will I use my Lte to supplement my wifi , so its a useless feature. Also my fingers are too big for 5 inch screens, I cant tolerate having to re-write every word 3 times.
2-Nexus devices, I think are now the only developer friendly left devices, with perseverance of warranty, but again I hate 5 inch screens, I hate lack of SD cards , specially that most carriers are Data mining to make money, since all of a sudden they have enough resources for unlimited text and talk , but not data. I am seriously considering nexus if they offer bigger screen and bigger on board memory, 64 gb on board and i might even compromise on the lack of 5.8 inch screens. Also I am not sure about removable battery, but I love to be prepared, and lack of ability to change batteries on the go is a major down side for me.
3-HTC one m8: after i had the rezound i vowed to never go back to HTC, but they have improved dramatically recently. But once again, they are now all s-on , not sure unlocking them using htcdev and the voiding of warranty . but again you lose changing the battery on the fly, the massive 5.8 inch screen, a gig of ram for a unibody that will get covered in a seidio case anyway. Camera is also subpar , but thats very subjective I think.
now I am paying the devil's advocate and tell you why should run and upgrade now :
1- I am assuming your knox is tripped, I feel like over night t-mobile will stop rejecting knox phones, so get your phone turned in before they do that. I still have an entire year before i pay off half my balance, during which I am praying for a knox reset method ( yeah i know its easier to establish a colony on Mars ) or I might have to throw it under my car
2- if you are into modding, and i believe that you are if you are on this forum, bear in mind that we are only satisfied when we mod our devices, we are not apple users. Sadly, i feel like android is taking the turn towards apple's philosophy in closed sourceness ( not a word , i know ) . I even said to my self, i dont need an unlocked bootloader and a root with my verizon note 3, its a beast and it gives me option to disable progs and with 3 gigs of ram it can withstand all the bloatware verizon throws at it. BIG mistake, hence why I am on t-mobile ( among other reasons ). We will never be satisfied with stock. So seriously consider Nexus devices ( since they are Jump eligible and I dont think modding them voids Jump but who knows , )
Right now as I see it, Sony, HTC , Samsung and even LG are all locked up and you are gambling staying stock till you are able to Jump yet again. Look at verizon's and ATT bootloaders , they are still locked, and all of our knoxes are tripped. I absolutely hate saying this but the difference in modding between Apple and Android is going to get very blurred. Can you imagine yourself with an iphone?
waw , end of rant ! thanks for the thread that finally let me vent, I hope the thread wont get moved to general
let us know you decision !!

Whosdaman said:
Lol, well like I said I'm more leaning towards nexus 5, and potentially iPhone 6 or Nexus 6 later this year. Just because I want to try the new thing
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Touché.

jmichaels1982 said:
I have been in this dilemma since leaving verizon 2 weeks ago, best decision ever btw!
Here is why I have decided to get the note 3 , yet again after leaving verizon
1- S5 , from the rumors will have locked bootlaoder, I cant believe T-mobile is following the evil tracks, really upsets me , but I think in the long run, only nexus devices will be allowed to be modded without voiding warranty. S5 will also have knox, so even if we hacked the bootloader, form the look of things it will hinder your Jump program and warranty claims ( something I am pooping my pants over right now, and I am thinking of downgrading my Jump program to basic insurance ) . Aside form that S5 like stated above, has less ram, more pixel density that you will mostly not notice , no stylus, and I kinda dig the faux leather thing with note 3. The only thing I used to think has going for it is the wifi boost technology but I am on 1 gb plan and no way will I use my Lte to supplement my wifi , so its a useless feature. Also my fingers are too big for 5 inch screens, I cant tolerate having to re-write every word 3 times.
2-Nexus devices, I think are now the only developer friendly left devices, with perseverance of warranty, but again I hate 5 inch screens, I hate lack of SD cards , specially that most carriers are Data mining to make money, since all of a sudden they have enough resources for unlimited text and talk , but not data. I am seriously considering nexus if they offer bigger screen and bigger on board memory, 64 gb on board and i might even compromise on the lack of 5.8 inch screens. Also I am not sure about removable battery, but I love to be prepared, and lack of ability to change batteries on the go is a major down side for me.
3-HTC one m8: after i had the rezound i vowed to never go back to HTC, but they have improved dramatically recently. But once again, they are now all s-on , not sure unlocking them using htcdev and the voiding of warranty . but again you lose changing the battery on the fly, the massive 5.8 inch screen, a gig of ram for a unibody that will get covered in a seidio case anyway. Camera is also subpar , but thats very subjective I think.
now I am paying the devil's advocate and tell you why should run and upgrade now :
1- I am assuming your knox is tripped, I feel like over night t-mobile will stop rejecting knox phones, so get your phone turned in before they do that. I still have an entire year before i pay off half my balance, during which I am praying for a knox reset method ( yeah i know its easier to establish a colony on Mars ) or I might have to throw it under my car
2- if you are into modding, and i believe that you are if you are on this forum, bear in mind that we are only satisfied when we mod our devices, we are not apple users. Sadly, i feel like android is taking the turn towards apple's philosophy in closed sourceness ( not a word , i know ) . I even said to my self, i dont need an unlocked bootloader and a root with my verizon note 3, its a beast and it gives me option to disable progs and with 3 gigs of ram it can withstand all the bloatware verizon throws at it. BIG mistake, hence why I am on t-mobile ( among other reasons ). We will never be satisfied with stock. So seriously consider Nexus devices ( since they are Jump eligible and I dont think modding them voids Jump but who knows , )
Right now as I see it, Sony, HTC , Samsung and even LG are all locked up and you are gambling staying stock till you are able to Jump yet again. Look at verizon's and ATT bootloaders , they are still locked, and all of our knoxes are tripped. I absolutely hate saying this but the difference in modding between Apple and Android is going to get very blurred. Can you imagine yourself with an iphone?
waw , end of rant ! thanks for the thread that finally let me vent, I hope the thread wont get moved to general
let us know you decision !!
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I definitely will. No worries about that. I've had a lot of people say get the HTC one since it has Dev edition. Which makes sense because it is basically the more improved nexus.
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What are you talking about, we've got: cm, carbon ROM, temasek, will03, team gummy, probably others that I'm missing. You've only got one phone, how much flashing do you actually do? But this phone beasts every phone out there as far looks and specs go

nighthawk626 said:
What are you talking about, we've got: cm, carbon ROM, temasek, will03, team gummy, probably others that I'm missing. You've only got one phone, how much flashing do you actually do? But this phone beasts every phone out there as far looks and specs go
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Enough to know I have 2.
Besides, cm you can't even make phone calls from. And most of those you listed are cm based. The problem is that cm doesn't have active devs working on fixing the issues. We still don't have NFC, which plagues every ROM that is cm based. When the source isn't being worked on, how can you expect the rest to be any better? Really the best ROM out for the Note 3 is either carbon, if you like it, or stock KitKat. Pretty sad from what I see. Especially since I got this phone mainly for the development support and because it is so bad ass. But what good is that when you can't get consistent performance out of any of the roms, including stock.
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jmichaels1982 said:
I have been in this dilemma since leaving verizon 2 weeks ago, best decision ever btw!
S5 will also have knox, so even if we hacked the bootloader, form the look of things it will hinder your Jump program and warranty claims ( something I am pooping my pants over right now, and I am thinking of downgrading my Jump program to basic insurance )
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It won't.
I returned a Knox 0x1 Note 3 to T-Mobile under the basic manufacturer's warranty (I don't pay for insurance because I never, ever destroyed a phone in my life) and got a brand new replacement, no questions asked. Many others have reported success returning/trading in Knox 0x1 devices to T-Mobile as well; do a search.
The only things they care about are no physical damage, untripped liquid intrusion sticker, and that it turns on. T-Mobile's refurbisher resets the Knox flag back to 0x0 when they refurbish the phone anyway. Obviously, flash it back to unrooted stock and do a factory reset before you send it in.
Cost me a total of $20 for the T-Mobile warranty processing fee.
If you send it back straight to Samsung, though, they'll deny warranty service as BER (beyond economical repair). T-Mobile FTW.

This may help in your decision.
http://youtu.be/eZ5fl3cHsDY

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It won't.
I returned a Knox 0x1 Note 3 to T-Mobile under the basic manufacturer's warranty (I don't pay for insurance because I never, ever destroyed a phone in my life) and got a brand new replacement, no questions asked. Many others have reported success returning/trading in Knox 0x1 devices to T-Mobile as well; do a search.
The only things they care about are no physical damage, untripped liquid intrusion sticker, and that it turns on. T-Mobile's refurbisher resets the Knox flag back to 0x0 when they refurbish the phone anyway. Obviously, flash it back to unrooted stock and do a factory reset before you send it in.
Cost me a total of $20 for the T-Mobile warranty processing fee.
If you send it back straight to Samsung, though, they'll deny warranty service as BER (beyond economical repair). T-Mobile FTW.
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Right that is the current situation. I am just afraid of the future since I am sure t-mobile will catch on to it with samsung denying claims for knox tripped phones. Hence my statement, go get a knox free phone that you can mod without fear of losing Jump in the future.
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Whosdaman said:
I definitely will. No worries about that. I've had a lot of people say get the HTC one since it has Dev edition. Which makes sense because it is basically the more improved nexus.
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How do you Jump to a developer edition device ? I thought these are not offered on t-mobile Jump plans

About ready to ditch Samsung...(darn it)

My current phone is a Note 4. I've been a Sammy user since Galaxy was introduced (started with Captivate, as I"m on AT&T.)
So, interestingly, I"m not very happy with the Note 4:
AT&T issue - Not rootable. (I don't care any longer for custom ROMS, but miss some capabilities that root offers)
I have several little crazy issues, but 2 main ones are: Google voice prompt speaker whistles with feedback when first say 'OK Google' (Got a replacement and same issue on it); Can't get any app to consistently read texts over BT while driving.
I think the bloatware is causing some performance problems for me. I have disabled several and it did help.
I have a LOT of apps installed. Always have. Counting bloatware that may not be disabled, I have around 150.
Oh, also, I have lots of problems with Pandora on this phone. When the accessory is launched from my car, often it fails. When I play Pandora app, it often quits playing if it is not the front/active app. Very annoying.
If multitasking, it definitely has strong lags.
So I was thinking that the Note 5 would be my final phone for a while (actually thought that about this one). But I read that the 4GB is half used up on initial boot. So, I'm thinking I need to move to something less bloated. I don't have any confidence that the Note 5 would be rootable, I did have confidence that it would be eventually on the Note 4...but it's taking a long time.
Given my large app list, I'm thinking thatI should not settle for less than 4GB . Less bloat may help that issue...look at a pure Android experience maybe. (Of course chasing that via a custom ROM may be an alternative...but we know the status of that on the Note 4. Plus, in the past I've tried a lot of different ROMS, including popular 'stable' ones, and they ALL have bugs.)
I'm hoping to get something that works much better hands free. Haven't had much luck with that with any of my Android phones. I had much better luck with that way back when I was on Microsoft's phone OS, before Windows phone...with Microsoft's Voice Command.

Thinking of switching to Tmobile. Trade in the Note 4 for a Moto X style. Great specs for $399. It'll be easy to pay off. Service monthly payments will be cheaper then att.
But I've invested money in a gear vr and cases. Still deciding and looking at other devices.
Also most Samsung phones on Tmobile are or at most times get root.
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I'm waiting for the official launch of the Note 5, and if it doesn't have the expandable memory as its being reported, then I'm a definite bye-bye Samsung. And no matter what, never again AT&T.

DARKCHYLDX101 said:
Thinking of switching to Tmobile. Trade in the Note 4 for a Moto X style. Great specs for $399. It'll be easy to pay off. Service monthly payments will be cheaper then att.
But I've invested money in a gear vr and cases. Still deciding and looking at other devices.
Also most Samsung phones on Tmobile are or at most times get root.
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I actually considered purchasing a TMobile one when I got this one. Could still sell/change...but I've lost confidence in the Samsung brand working. I hear good things about the Moto phones. I'm considering the Pure...but given my penchant for a lot of apps (none of them games), I'm thinking I need 4 GB RAM.
I don't want to change to TMobile due to less coverage. I have considered moving to Verizon to bet better data speed in my area (St. Augustine, FL), but they would cost me more than AT&T, and I'm not sure I would get better data speeds.
Kamau54 said:
I'm waiting for the official launch of the Note 5, and if it doesn't have the expandable memory as its being reported, then I'm a definite bye-bye Samsung. And no matter what, never again AT&T.
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Sounds pretty much for sure it won't have the SD. But even if it does, in my case, I'm just ready to move away from Samsung. Of course, I could find I have as much trouble getting what I want it to do with any of them.
I checked on the Moto site, and it says we can test for 14 days and return for free if not happy. I may just give that a whirl.

There is no expandable memory on the Note 5

Kamau54 said:
I'm waiting for the official launch of the Note 5, and if it doesn't have the expandable memory as its being reported, then I'm a definite bye-bye Samsung. And no matter what, never again AT&T.
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I used the note 5, it's the same memory as the s6, you shouldn't be surprised. And you should have no hope for root or an unlock on any att or verizon phone. Seriously, you all know what to expect, but the phone from tmobile or the international version.

fortillian said:
There is no expandable memory on the Note 5
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Yup, as I said, that's what is being reported.
thanitos said:
I used the note 5, it's the same memory as the s6, you shouldn't be surprised. And you should have no hope for root or an unlock on any att or verizon phone. Seriously, you all know what to expect, but the phone from tmobile or the international version.
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No surprise to me. That's part of why I'm ditching Samsung. Maybe my posts haven't been quite clear about that though.

I got to see and hold the note 5, just confirming the reports of no expandable media.

The point of this thread is .... ?

I feel you big time. I also love big ole sammy, but bloat is a huge problem. I have been using the GS6 edge for the last week and I will say I love it. My note 4 is sooooo sssluuggish. Its gets frustrating. I also have a lot of app.s. Maybe that is the problem. I got this to be my everyday device. A phablet. But I am really leaning the direction of just having my nexus for reading/gaming and a phone for social. That has really been working for me this past week. The GS6 Edge is very snappy and the less bloat on these new phones help a lot. I aloso disabled a bunch and put on nova on and call me speedy gonzalez because I am flying.

Yep me too! My next phone will definitely have to be the One plus Two or Moto X 2015. It all depends on what I can get my hands on first. I love Samsung, but if I can't have my freedom on what I wanna do with my phone, there's no point of having an android version of an iPhone. Because if those were my only two options, iPhone would be my first choice. I choose Android because of Root, and customization. Not stupid Knox and carriers locking the bootloader crap. I wish I would've kept my jailbroken iPhone if I knew that were the case. So yeah definitely One plus Two, maybe Moto X if it's unlockable and rootable

Since some Notes are locked down and others not,shouldn't everyone's anger be placed on the carrier? Obviously AT&T and Verizon are the ones at fault. If you like the Note series buy unlocked or go for the guaranteed unlocked Nexus. I have both so when I want to mess around I have the Nexus and sometimes it's nice to trade off to the full featured Note. It really is the best way to go and keeps my anger to a minimum. I have to say with the Nexus you never have these back and forth games and you can do whatever you want without worrying about an update locking you out for the long term.
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The point of this thread is .... ?
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This is general discussion about att note 4. This is what op is doing. Please be more kind to people.

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I think the purpose is more obvious than your contribution to the thread.
dagolith said:
This is general discussion about att note 4. This is what op is doing. Please be more kind to people.
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Yup, generate discussion. I think it's been pretty successful at doing that.

May try T-Mobile Note 4 - Root...
Before I abandon Samsung, I may try abandoning the AT&T version of the Note 4.
I haven't been interested in putting on ROMS (did that a lot on previous phones, and I find even for those that are touted as 'solid', there are always one bug or another), but maybe that is what I should do. Been reading on various ROMS over on the T-Mobile forum.
So, if I do this, next I need to decide whether to abandon TW (I do like some of the features...), then if not, whether to install a KitKat or LP ROM. I may try one or both of those options, then if not happy, try AOSP.
Then if not happy, maybe by then there will be reviews out on others I'm considering...although the Nexus has to arrive. From what I'm seeing, it'll be October before that gets out.

My anger is with ATT for being locked down and even more so Samsung. Their greed is borderline criminal IMHO. There is absolutely no reason why the Note 4 and Edge cannot have the updated Touchwiz. Wish I had stuck with my Nexus 6, but only gave up on it because it didn't take advantage of the big screen and Android M took care of that. Been trying to trade my Edge for a G4 or N6 for weeks now.

Still seriously confused why some st**id carriers locked down phones? Should have make some research before trading my trustworthy Note 3 for Note 4 at&t. I don't see this device having unlocked bootloader soon G4 callling

I had faith they would break it and be able to root it. Seems that the developers for Samsung or AT&T is finally getting ahead of our developers and winning that battle.
I no longer have faith the AT&T will get rooted.
In fact, it's starting to feel like the leanings are headed to no root more and more.

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I had faith they would break it and be able to root it. Seems that the developers for Samsung or AT&T is finally getting ahead of our developers and winning that battle.
I no longer have faith the AT&T will get rooted.
In fact, it's starting to feel like the leanings are headed to no root more and more.
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Lol also 2nd ur opinion. I gave up on this phone been root able, deal is the phone is fast still so I don't have the need to root lol but I do have a gear s from att?which I would like to one day install a Droid port but sucks is att and locked. Stupid carrier

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Still seriously confused why some st**id carriers locked down phones? Should have make some research before trading my trustworthy Note 3 for Note 4 at&t. I don't see this device having unlocked bootloader soon G4 callling
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The locking of bootloaders is to exponentially increase security in order to gain military, government and corporate contracts...which they did. Verizon and AT&T Samsung devices were rated highest in security in today's market. T-Mobile and Sprint chose not to most likely because they do not have the coverage country-wide to encourage those sales.

I've lost all hope for rooting this phone

I find it so mind boggling that after checking these forums daily since the phone was released there is still no (permanent) root for this phone. Am I wrong for thinking this? With all the brains and experience out there you would think something would have happened by now. I seriously think there is a permanent root solution out there and it's being kept a secret from the rest of us. Sorry for ranting, I have no one else to explain my frustration to besides the people here. Have a nice day.

I hear ya, which is why I am going to sell my Note4 and get another phone. No more Samsung Android phones for me unless i change to T-Mobile which will never happen due to lack of reception at my house.

I'm switching to T-Mobile and sticking with LG once this contract is up, at&t and Samsung can go fly a kite.

You could sell yours and get an unlocked t-mobile version. I am frustrated too, but the only solution at this point is to be proactive. Peace!

Yeah I'm not doing a Samsung phone again.. sure it may have the best screen and what not, but I'll gladly take up to date android OS/root/recovery over that. You could sell your note 4 for about 350, then ebay a t-mobile version, or put in another 100 and get the new nexus or moto x pure

Yeah I'll see what T-Mobile can do for me to switch, I've read they will pay up to $300 for your phone and up to $350 for early termination fees in the form of a credit if you switch, Not too bad of a deal. AT&T if you're reading this, double middle fingers to you assholes.

Hate to add to the same type of replies however I can't agree more with all of you. Not just about root either. Updates come to us so slow and this device has always had slightly more lag then my s4. Pretty sure i'm either going straight to the source with the Nexus line or switching over to iOS. I'll miss the spen but at least the current Nexus phone has AMOLED.

I am with ya too. Once my contract on my At&t Note 4 is up in 2017. I am thinking about switching to whatever Nexus device is out, or a budge device like the OnePlus or Moto G, so I could root it or customize it as I choose.
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Anyone going to try Google FI? Or any phone recommendations?

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It's probably going to be so limited to a few major cities for quite a long time. If the price makes sense and the quality is there then absolutely. Building an entire mobile network that is capable of reaching 99% of the country is extremely expensive and time consuming. The 4 major carriers have been working on it for 20 years and they are still building towers like crazy.
As for phone recommendations, I recommend looking at all the variables in the equation and make your decision accordingly. For me, checking to see if root has any progress or is already available is at the top of my list, followed by the device itself. To sum it up, some phones aren't very practical (nexus 6) but they excel in **** that matters to me (first to get system updates and easily rootable).

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It's probably going to be so limited to a few major cities for quite a long time. If the price makes sense and the quality is there then absolutely. Building an entire mobile network that is capable of reaching 99% of the country is extremely expensive and time consuming. The 4 major carriers have been working on it for 20 years and they are still building towers like crazy.
As for phone recommendations, I recommend looking at all the variables in the equation and make your decision accordingly. For me, checking to see if root has any progress or is already available is at the top of my list, followed by the device itself. To sum it up, some phones aren't very practical (nexus 6) but they excel in **** that matters to me (first to get system updates and easily rootable).
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I will never get sucked into the samsung hype ever again. This phone has generally received good reviews since day one, and I honestly have hated it since the day I obtained it. I had an S4 before this note 4, and I have to say that I hated that phone too. The hardware is awesome, and the software is sub-par bull poo poo. Every samsung phone I have ever had has had problems. Namely with the GPS, among other things, but I think any problem I have ever had with a samsung phone could have been solved with custom firmware. I know this is as much, or more so, a carrier issue as well as a manufacturer issue. The manufacturer puts crap software on the device, then the carrier locks it down so that you are stuck with it. The note 5 looks flashy as hell, but I will not get sucked in again! C'mon Nexus!!

Isn't the Note 5 already rooted with working TWRP? I don't understand how that phone could be rooted so fast and the Note4 will never be.

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Isn't the Note 5 already rooted with working TWRP? I don't understand how that phone could be rooted so fast and the Note4 will never be.
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That is the t-mobile, sprint, international versions; all have an unlocked bootloader. The Verizon and att versions have a locked bootloader with a sha-256 key. If you read the att version does not boot if tried to root.

Even without perma-root (or root at all for those on LP like myself), this is still a darn good phone. Shame I can't use my gamepad properly, but at least I've only a year left before I can go for something else. Honestly, even with a chance of never getting root, I'd still get a Note 6 (when that comes, I mean).

That new nexus 6p is where I'm heading. Samsung really screwed us :/. On my note 2 I ran pure stock android because it's smooth as hell! I have to be stuck with Samsung's nonsense running the background with the note 4... Can't wait for the nexus 6p to drop. I'll be first in line!

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That new nexus 6p is where I'm heading. Samsung really screwed us :/. On my note 2 I ran pure stock android because it's smooth as hell! I have to be stuck with Samsung's nonsense running the background with the note 4... Can't wait for the nexus 6p to drop. I'll be first in line!
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Not Samsung, AT&T and Verizon are who is screwing you. They made the choice to lock everything down for more profits.

I finally gave up and sold my AT&T Note 4 for a T-Mobile variant. The difference is night and day, I was having severe battery drain, and normally would be <20% by the end of the day today, for the first time I haven't had to charge my phone overnight, and the battery is still at 65%. It drained 1% overnight for 8 hours.
Custom ROM and Kernels make a HUGE difference. Now I don't have to keep power saving mode on, which also increased lag and I can actually go a day without having to charge my phone and I get all the other benefits of root. Definitely will not buy another Samsung phone with a locked bootloader, I was getting ready to switch to an iPhone because I was so unhappy with the Note 4 performance and battery life.

I am on the ATT next program. Do I have to pay off phone before I sell it?
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Not Samsung, AT&T and Verizon are who is screwing you. They made the choice to lock everything down for more profits.
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What I meant to say was. Samsung also screwed us with the note 5.. They let their customers know they are headed into the iLame direction. I left apple after 4 years because it lacked tons of features. I'm assuming Samsung will drop the s pen on the note 6 and turn it into a $99 Samsung Pencil that you will have to buy on the side by the looks of it hahaha.

Just Bought a Verizon Note 4 ... Did I Make a Terrible Mistake?

I already have a Note 3 but would love to try a Gear VR. Finally found an okay price for a Note 4 on craigslist today and was excited to give it a go. I'm on tmobile but my verizon Note 3 functions just fine so I thought I'd "upgrade."
So far ... I kind of hate it.
The fact that this phone can't be rooted (because of Verizon?) wouldn't be quite so depressing if it weren't for the hideous pastel colors staring me in the face every time I pull down the tool bar or open a menu ... Yes I've installed a custom launcher but it doesn't change the 80's era color scheme ... This is 2015. I can't choose the background color on my own damn phone? Really?
I had my Note 3 setup the way I wanted it to look with a rom that gave me a lot of options, and going from having control over aesthetics to having basically no control over them is a shock. Like moving from a house you own and can paint any color you want to an awful pastel apartment that you can't paint because the landlord won't let you.
The lockscreen. I liked the option on my Note 3 to pick the effect when unlocking my phone. The rippling water effect was my favorite. Now I have ... no such option? The choice to change it seems to be grayed out?
The heat. Running low graphic Cardboard apps and the back of this phone seems to be getting awfully warm awfully fast. Haven't tried anything really intensive yet but I'm already worried about heat.
Speed. Not notably faster (no pun intended) than my customized Note 3. Apps that were slow on the 3 ... are still slow on this phone. Menus seem to open at about the same speed or possibly even slower.
Pixel density. I thought having a higher resolution screen would mean less visible picture structure ... Not really seeing it. I can look at my two phones side by side and unless I zoom in, there is not that much visible difference in image quality, except ...
The one good thing:
The camera. Took a couple of photos and am really impressed by the amount of detail that shows up. Definitely a big leap over the camera in my Note 3 ...
But ... I'm thinking maybe I should sell this to someone else on craigslist and go back to my Note 3.
Anyone else have a similar reaction? Am I missing something here?

Honestly only you can answer that question. In regards to root, only DE have it as far as I know for any carrier. If you HAVE to have root, then it might have been a mistake.

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Honestly only you can answer that question. In regards to root, only DE have it as far as I know for any carrier. If you HAVE to have root, then it might have been a mistake.
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Actually the Note 4 on Sprint and T-Mobile are both rootable. Verizon and AT&T are the a**holes here. Actually @Haints you just made the same mistake most other people did. You didn't do the research before you spent your money. Because I've been practically living in this forum for 4 years I've seen the day when Verizon would lock a phone down to where nobody would be able to root it coming. I bought a Note 4 Developer Edition.

What a terrible corporate policy. WHY do they do that? Well, I've learned my lesson. I will never buy a Verizon phone again. ( Scratch that. Sounds like you never really "own" a Verizon phone to begin with, since they lock it down to keep the OS the way they want it. I will never ... rent a Verizon phone again?)
I did figure out how to change the lock option, and I do like the phone, apart from the choices I'm locked out of ... but having freely owned a phone before, I can't forget what that feels like. So f*ck Verizon.
And yes, Stuey, I did err by not doing my research here. The Verizon Note popped up on craigslist at a good price and I jumped at it. My mistake.
Thanks to you both for responding!

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What a terrible corporate policy. WHY do they do that? Well, I've learned my lesson. I will never buy a Verizon phone again. ( Scratch that. Sounds like you never really "own" a Verizon phone to begin with, since they lock it down to keep the OS the way they want it. I will never ... rent a Verizon phone again?)
I did figure out how to change the lock option, and I do like the phone, apart from the choices I'm locked out of ... but having freely owned a phone before, I can't forget what that feels like. So f*ck Verizon.
And yes, Stuey, I did err by not doing my research here. The Verizon Note popped up on craigslist at a good price and I jumped at it. My mistake.
Thanks to you both for responding!
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You're not the only one. It's heartbreaking to see this happen to so many people. The Verizon Note 4 forums are depressing. Pretty much all of us plan to leave Verizon someday. The only reason I'm still with them is T-Mo and Sprint suck so bad around here. I'm just hoping for them to improve some.
The reason they do it is because locking them makes them more secure. All of the big corporate and government accounts like them that way. Hackers are becoming more of a problem. Verizon makes a lot of extra money because they are more secure than the others. We'll probably all lose our rootable phones soon.

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You're not the only one. It's heartbreaking to see this happen to so many people. The Verizon Note 4 forums are depressing. Pretty much all of us plan to leave Verizon someday. The only reason I'm still with them is T-Mo and Sprint suck so bad around here. I'm just hoping for them to improve some.
The reason they do it is because locking them makes them more secure. All of the big corporate and government accounts like them that way. Hackers are becoming more of a problem. Verizon makes a lot of extra money because they are more secure than the others. We'll probably all lose our rootable phones soon.
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I've already given up.
I've been stuck with the Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 4 ever since it launched last year...I bought it right as it came out, expecting that it would get root at some point like previous phones.
Every single day I've visited these forums, patiently waiting for a permanent root. I have so much pent-up frustration over waiting that I recently splurged on a 128 GB Frost Huawei Nexus 6P and permanently canceled my Verizon contract. I gave up.
I've been a loyal Verizon customer since 2007 with previous phones rooted and I just couldn't stand it anymore. I'm sick of being treated like a child not being able to do what I want with a phone that I purchased with MY money.
I hope they realize that they're going to be losing loyal customers like me at a rapid pace over digging their heels on this ridiculous policy.

I preordered the retail version at upgrade price ($300) and sold it a month later for $590 after giving up on waiting for root. Then paid an extra $110 for the developer edition. So I paid for a developer edition for $410 instead of $700. I wish I thought about this once I got the phone to sell it for more but overall I still came out on top. The DE Note 4 is the best phone out right now on Verizon. Nothing compares, yet. And I still have unlimited data but I hear they are changing the price to $50 a month for people who are grandfathered in D:

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I've already given up.
I've been stuck with the Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 4 ever since it launched last year...I bought it right as it came out, expecting that it would get root at some point like previous phones.
Every single day I've visited these forums, patiently waiting for a permanent root. I have so much pent-up frustration over waiting that I recently splurged on a 128 GB Frost Huawei Nexus 6P and permanently canceled my Verizon contract. I gave up.
I've been a loyal Verizon customer since 2007 with previous phones rooted and I just couldn't stand it anymore. I'm sick of being treated like a child not being able to do what I want with a phone that I purchased with MY money.
I hope they realize that they're going to be losing loyal customers like me at a rapid pace over digging their heels on this ridiculous policy.
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I'm sure there will be more like you.
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I've already given up.
I've been stuck with the Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 4 ever since it launched last year...I bought it right as it came out, expecting that it would get root at some point like previous phones.
Every single day I've visited these forums, patiently waiting for a permanent root. I have so much pent-up frustration over waiting that I recently splurged on a 128 GB Frost Huawei Nexus 6P and permanently canceled my Verizon contract. I gave up.
I've been a loyal Verizon customer since 2007 with previous phones rooted and I just couldn't stand it anymore. I'm sick of being treated like a child not being able to do what I want with a phone that I purchased with MY money.
I hope they realize that they're going to be losing loyal customers like me at a rapid pace over digging their heels on this ridiculous policy.
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Unfortunately, VZW doesn't care. People who root their devices make up a small percentage of their customers. VZW is more concerned about promoting safety and security.

I was an iPhone user up to the release of iPhone 6. Decided to get Samsung Galaxy Note 4 (verizon) because of easy access to change battery. (As each new iPhone model made seems to make it more difficult.) I've had the Note for over a year. I keep telling myself that I'll get used to it. I haven't yet. I hate it! I fight with it every time I want to do a simple task. On top of how confusing it is to use compared to iPhone. Battery drains fast. Screen turns on randomly. And now any app I try to install from google play AND amazon app, it just hangs saying, "installing.........."-google play. And "install pending........"-amazon. It's been like that for 48 hours now. WTH? I have 10 gigs free'd up. I restarted app, restarted phone tried searching Forums. YES, I hate this phone. And if Samsung drops support on this phone, I'm going to drop my support for Samsung products.

Yeah you screwed up just like the rest of us. I came from ATT, who are assholes by the way, and am pretty much gonna dump Verizon when my contract is up. I will buy my own phones from now on, no more carrier branded, locked out , **** phones like this one. The Note 4, when locked down, is actually a turd. its slow, it crashes and pretty much just all around sucks. Root would make this a great phone, but there will never be root until long after this phone is ancient and useless.

They say Android 6 will fix the issues that Android 5 caused. The Note 4 with Android 4.4 ran good. The latest word is Android 6 will come in February.
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They say Android 6 will fix the issues that Android 5 caused. The Note 4 with Android 4.4 ran good. The latest word is Android 6 will come in February.
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By that time the Note 4 will be an ancient turd. I liked my Note 2 waaaay better than this piece of garbage.