Hello!
I am HeroCC, this is my first post, so please don't go hard on me.
I may root my android AT&T S3. But before I do, I want to make sure it is safe, and it fits my specifications.
First of all, I want to know how to do it. If you know a decent tutorial about this, please send it my way.
I have heard about clockwork mod, and was wondering if that is a good choice for a root ROM.
Here is my list:
Does not remove any data
I have a 100% backup before
I can Undo at any time, and I will still have all app data, but not rooted*
It does not trip the flash counter
I still have all the stock apps. (Kies air, AT&T Locker, etc.)
I will add more when I think of some. Thanks for any help!
If you find something that does not fit one of these, reply anyway. Some of these I can do without.
*For example, if I am at level 5 now, and get to level 50 in candy crush, and need to unroot, I will still be at level 50 after.
Thank you for your Help!
There are at least three different ways to root this phone, with; casual, cf-auto root, or by flashing TWRP or CWM recovery through Odin and then supersu.zip. I'm not going to recommend one root method here because someone else will just recommend the other and confuse things.
You are likely going to trip the flash counter no matter what you do, but you can reset it to zero whenever you want with an app called triangle away.
Also, you will need the app titanium backup to backup your apps and settings, so if you unroot or factory reset, you can restore them without losing your data.
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There are at least three different ways to root this phone, with; casual, cf-auto root, or by flashing TWRP or CWM recovery through Odin and then supersu.zip. I'm not going to recommend one root method here because someone else will just recommend the other and confuse things.
You are likely going to trip the flash counter no matter what you do, but you can reset it to zero whenever you want with an app called triangle away.
Also, you will need the app titanium backup to backup your apps and settings, so if you unroot or factory reset, you can restore them without losing your data.
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Just a note, backing up and restoring with titanium backup ONLY works with root. Say you backup while rooted, unroot, then find missing data, you can't restore the titanium backup since no root anymore..
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There are at least three different ways to root this phone, with; casual, cf-auto root, or by flashing TWRP or CWM recovery through Odin and then supersu.zip. I'm not going to recommend one root method here because someone else will just recommend the other and confuse things.
You are likely going to trip the flash counter no matter what you do, but you can reset it to zero whenever you want with an app called triangle away.
Also, you will need the app titanium backup to backup your apps and settings, so if you unroot or factory reset, you can restore them without losing your data.
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OK, thanks. Using these methods, what one does not require you to do a factory reset? And is there a way to completely backup my phone before I root? Thanks for the info!
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HeroCC said:
OK, thanks. Using these methods, what one does not require you to do a factory reset? And is there a way to completely backup my phone before I root? Thanks for the info!
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None of them require a factory reset.
Technically, modifying the phone's software in any way can void your warranty, and technically you are not rooted until you have modified the phone to obtain superuser permissions through the operating system. I'm assuming that you want a backup before obtaining superuser permissions, or rooting. The only way would be to flash a custom recovery through Odin, which also modifies the phone and trips its flash counter, which signals that you modified something and still voids your warranty. That flash counter can be reset later, however.
So to answer your second question;
Can you make a backup of your phone before rooting? Technically, Yes.
But can you make a backup of your whole phone without modifying the phone in any way and possibly endangering your warranty? No.
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None of them require a factory reset.
Technically, modifying the phone's software in any way can void your warranty, and technically you are not rooted until you have modified the phone to obtain superuser permissions through the operating system. I'm assuming that you want a backup before obtaining superuser permissions, or rooting. The only way would be to flash a custom recovery through Odin, which also modifies the phone and trips its flash counter, which signals that you modified something and still voids your warranty. That flash counter can be reset later, however.
So to answer your second question;
Can you make a backup of your phone before rooting? Technically, Yes.
But can you make a backup of your whole phone without modifying the phone in any way and possibly endangering your warranty? No.
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OK. Thanks. This is what I needed. I will now list my plan of action. Let me know it you think it is good! My device is the Galaxy s3 ATT. I just realized that my warranty expires in December. I thought it already had, so I am going to wait until it is done. This is what I am going to do in December.
1. Download Rom Manager
2. Use Carbon/ Helium to backup.
3. Use ROM Manager to install ClockWork mod Recovery.
4. Perform Nandroid backup.
5. (Optional) install CyanogenMod.
I will add more as I think of them. And all of the above will work without a factory reset? Thanks!
Unrelated: Is there a z4mod for my phone? I saw it had temp root and may use that to use titanium backup before I start this.
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HeroCC said:
OK. Thanks. This is what I needed. I will now list my plan of action. Let me know it you think it is good! My device is the Galaxy s3 ATT. I just realized that my warranty expires in December. I thought it already had, so I am going to wait until it is done. This is what I am going to do in December.
1. Download Rom Manager
2. Use Carbon/ Helium to backup.
3. Use ROM Manager to install ClockWork mod Recovery.
4. Perform Nandroid backup.
5. (Optional) install CyanogenMod.
I will add more as I think of them. And all of the above will work without a factory reset? Thanks!
Unrelated: Is there a z4mod for my phone? I saw it had temp root and may use that to use titanium backup before I start this.
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If you are not rooted you will not be able to use ROM manager or any other app to install a custom recovery. You need to use ODIN to achieve this without root. Since you are on Jellybean most likely, going into a custom recovery will trip your counter no matter what. I would highly recommend using CF auto root to root since you lose no data. It will trip your counter but this is likely to happen no matter what you do.
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You can easily root your phone without tripping your counter. There are so many parts on this, and exactly what you're talking about. Just read the forum posts and everything is answered.
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Earlier this week my Sensation 4g died. I bought a Note 2. Little did I know that there were issues with it that I and others have with it, ie: no easy immediate way to do app to sd for instance. Another thing I wanted was to be able to add or take away data from installed apps by connecting the phone to a computer via usb and accessing the files that way, which again doesn't happen without some work.
Since then I have rooted the phone (according to the download mode screen, which says: current binary and system status is custom.
I have left everything stock except for the rooting part and installed Superuser and SuperSU and then tried to run Titanium Backup (free) when it said 'could not access root using \something\something\su command".
I have tried several other apps and methods of trying to do what I want (from the first paragraph) but none have succeeded either due lack of documentation (and I didn't know how to do a certain step or fix something) or it just didn't work.
So where am I at now? I have factory reset my phone and am now honestly not sure where to go or what to do from here. I've Googled and Googled but nothing quite seems to be able to fix what I need and if it does then it has the lack of documentation and can't help me.
Any thoughts or guides or something that anyone could post/link to? Thanks.
I believe this lets you save to SD
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1960935
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funziebear said:
I believe this lets you save to SD
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1960935
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If I'm not mistaken but kernels don't deal with being able to save apps to sd. I could be wrong since I don't dabble in android dev. Thanks though.
We need background... 1st of all...
What way did you use to root (Cf_auto_root, Stock-root injected, etc)?
Does your phone still have exynos_exploit or did your phone come with that "OTA Update" pre installed?
What SD card are you using?
What rom/kernal are you trying to run?
Most of the time, in this particular forum, its seems best to just ask what your trying to accomplish within the various rom/kernal thread...
Like lets say im on Stick injected rom/kernal without extsd2internalsd (apps2sd) setup and lets say I want to go to Jedi Master 9.... I would then go to Jedi Master 9 thread and ask for help on how to effectively apply that rom with ExtSd2internalsd support from my current setup, and wait for the OP or seniors to reply... also while "patiently waiting" I would read/search through the hundreds of pages looking for answers/insights to my particular process... if needed might go to my own root process thread and ask for advice on how to get to jedi master 9
Id be more than willing to help you here but need some background on your phones current status and end rom/kernal to provide an answer (to be sure I dont lead you awry
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We need background... 1st of all...
What way did you use to root (Cf_auto_root, Stock-root injected, etc)?
Does your phone still have exynos_exploit or did your phone come with that "OTA Update" pre installed?
What SD card are you using?
What rom/kernal are you trying to run?
Most of the time, in this particular forum, its seems best to just ask what your trying to accomplish within the various rom/kernal thread...
Like lets say im on Stick injected rom/kernal without extsd2internalsd (apps2sd) setup and lets say I want to go to Jedi Master 9.... I would then go to Jedi Master 9 thread and ask for help on how to effectively apply that rom with ExtSd2internalsd support from my current setup, and wait for the OP or seniors to reply... also while "patiently waiting" I would read/search through the hundreds of pages looking for answers/insights to my particular process... if needed might go to my own root process thread and ask for advice on how to get to jedi master 9
Id be more than willing to help you here but need some background on your phones current status and end rom/kernal to provide an answer (to be sure I dont lead you awry
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Thanks. I did answer that I am running everything stock at the moment, just rooted, no kernel or rom. I have an 8gb class 4 microsd card. My root method was cf auto root. I also stated what I was hoping to achieve also (in my first paragraph). Hopefully this helps.
Oh, if possible I'd like the easiest way to remove or disable system apps like chat on or some of the tmobile stuff. I tried a couple different methods with that too but couldn't quite get it all to work.
I tried the qtadb app but couldn't get my device to be seen by the program on the computer and i tried that app because I had no idea where to start with regular adb, its been a long time since i've done any of this stuff.
To remove or disable system apps I use root uninstaller, sometimes it won't delete system apps on the first try just exit the app go back and do it again second attemt will do, for your data problem I'll try root browser or root Explorer
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To remove or disable system apps I use root uninstaller, sometimes it won't delete system apps on the first try just exit the app go back and do it again second attemt will do, for your data problem I'll try root browser or root Explorer
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Hmm ok thanks. I'll try those out when I get a chance. Thanks.
I always remove bloatware through Titanium Backup or with a debloated rom
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I always remove bloatware through Titanium Backup or with a debloated rom
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Doesn't that just lead back to my first problem of not being able to get Titanium Backup to run on my phone?
Are you sure your rooted (root checker)? I honestly havent heard of anyone else being unable to install rooted apps (unless they werent rooted (those people generally rerooted to solve that issue)
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Are you sure your rooted (root checker)? I honestly havent heard of anyone else being unable to install rooted apps (unless they werent rooted (those people generally rerooted to solve that issue)
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Well it turns out you can download and install apps requiring root but they just wont run correctly, if at all. I know because after my factory reset, i downloaded and ran 2 root checker apps, both of which said I no longer have root or something. So now I'm just going through the rooting process again.
Edit: I'm not rooted again, as checked by 2 root confirmation apps. Now to try to get TB running and remove bloatware.
Edit 2: Great success! I got TB to work, bought PRO and have just frozen everything i dont need or dont use.
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Well it turns out you can download and install apps requiring root but they just wont run correctly, if at all. I know because after my factory reset, i downloaded and ran 2 root checker apps, both of which said I no longer have root or something. So now I'm just going through the rooting process again.
Edit: I'm not rooted again, as checked by 2 root confirmation apps. Now to try to get TB running and remove bloatware.
Edit 2: Great success! I got TB to work, bought PRO and have just frozen everything i dont need or dont use.
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Much easier to use odin from mr robinson. Its already been prerooted
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I rooted my phone back in January because I wanted to try out some of the different ROMs, but I never found anything that was as trouble-free as stock. Now I'm having trouble getting the OTA updates to work, and I'm looking to just go back to stock and reset my counter just in case I need to return the phone. What I'm worried about is losing all of my application data and settings and having to reinstall and set everything up again. Is there a way to do a complete reset but keep all my stuff? Every guide I've seen requires a factory reset at some point, and if I'm not rooted I won't be able to use TB to restore my apps.
Do I just need to grit my teeth and spend the few hours setting everything back up and losing all my app data?
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I rooted my phone back in January because I wanted to try out some of the different ROMs, but I never found anything that was as trouble-free as stock. Now I'm having trouble getting the OTA updates to work, and I'm looking to just go back to stock and reset my counter just in case I need to return the phone. What I'm worried about is losing all of my application data and settings and having to reinstall and set everything up again. Is there a way to do a complete reset but keep all my stuff? Every guide I've seen requires a factory reset at some point, and if I'm not rooted I won't be able to use TB to restore my apps.
Do I just need to grit my teeth and spend the few hours setting everything back up and losing all my app data?
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since your rooted now you can backup but your right without root you cant restore..........grit them teeth boy!!!
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since your rooted now you can backup but your right without root you cant restore..........grit them teeth boy!!!
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Backup with titanium.
Flash stock firmware from sammy with odin.
Use cf autoroot to root.
Use tibu to restore.
Unroot with SU app
Profit
Also I think koush developed an app to backup that doesnt need root.
Edit: here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.koushikdutta.backup
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cdshepherd said:
Backup with titanium.
Flash stock firmware from sammy with odin.
Use cf autoroot to root.
Use tibu to restore.
Unroot with SU app
Profit
Also I think koush developed an app to backup that doesnt need root.
Edit: here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.koushikdutta.backup
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That makes perfect sense. Do you know if that would mess with the OTA updates after unrooting? I want to make sure my phone is in returnable condition after it's all said and done (triangle-away'd and everything).
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That makes perfect sense. Do you know if that would mess with the OTA updates after unrooting? I want to make sure my phone is in returnable condition after it's all said and done (triangle-away'd and everything).
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Use triangle away before unrooting with SU. Wipe data/factory reset after unrooting. Then restore apps/data with koushs app (link above)
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Use triangle away before unrooting with SU. Wipe data/factory reset after unrooting. Then restore apps/data with koushs app (link above)
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I was originally on a stock ROM (it was my nandroid backup from when I was trying out new ones), but I could never get the status back to original. I tried a factory reset, and that didn't do the trick (updates still wouldn't load), so I used Odin to flash the original stock ROM. I made sure to backup my apps with Helium, then restored them all after going through the whole setup/download process. Everything seems to be working fine, and I was able to get the multi-window update, but I can't see if the current update will work yet (I still have to wait 24 hours).
So in the end I didn't have to unroot or triangle away (at least not any further than I already did).
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I was originally on a stock ROM (it was my nandroid backup from when I was trying out new ones), but I could never get the status back to original. I tried a factory reset, and that didn't do the trick (updates still wouldn't load), so I used Odin to flash the original stock ROM. I made sure to backup my apps with Helium, then restored them all after going through the whole setup/download process. Everything seems to be working fine, and I was able to get the multi-window update, but I can't see if the current update will work yet (I still have to wait 24 hours).
So in the end I didn't have to unroot or triangle away (at least not any further than I already did).
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If you already received one OTA you can receive any OTA
You can disable network provided values and manually change the date one day ahead. Then you can check for updates again.
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Starting off I have experience with rooting, flashing Roms etc. I use to own the Nook Tablet running Cm10.1.
I recently bought the Nexus 7 FHD and was wondering what the most simplistic way of rooting is there for the device. I am happy with my device's UI, I just want root privilege, more specifically so I can use certain apps and connected a PS3 controller to play games.
In summary, I need root privilege without flashing CM or recovery programs.
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enter bootloader
fastboot oem unlock
allow the unit to wipe data/cache and reboot
enter bootloader again
fastboot boot twrp.img
In TWRP choose install and select UPDATE-SuperSU-v1.51.zip
TWRP the only way to root? I'd also much rather not wipe my data and cache. Not sure why I would have to for root.
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datallboy said:
TWRP the only way to root? I'd also much rather not wipe my data and cache. Not sure why I would have to for root.
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When you unlock the bootloader, the tablet forces you to wipe data and cache as a security measure, otherwise anyone can just bypass your unlock method. You have no choice in the matter.
If you don't unlock the bootloader, /system is write-protected and you can't install root permanently.
You don't need to "install" TWRP. You just run it temporarily to install the root files. The command I gave you just loads twrp into memory to run it. It doesn't flash over the stock recovery.
You probably want to just look at one of the guides. I know you said you had experience with rooting, but probably not familiar with nuances on nexus.
Ahh okay, thank you. Before, recovery programs would flash over stock and I had to use an image file to flash stock back. Annoying.
My other question being what do you suggest me to do about backing up then restoring data and cache? Any apps work good with this PR should I manually back up my data and cache partitions?
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CWM Helium work? I know Titanium is only root.
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Not sure about non-root backup. The first thing I do is to unlock bootloader so I don't have to redo my efforts, so I usually just use Titanium.
I want to save all my data and cache files including pictures etc. just like it is now. Whatever is best for that. I'm not all that crazy about rooting my new tablet (although the factory image is now released) but I like rooted privileges.
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datallboy said:
I want to save all my data and cache files including pictures etc. just like it is now. Whatever is best for that. I'm not all that crazy about rooting my new tablet (although the factory image is now released) but I like rooted privileges.
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I'm sure there are backup programs that work without root, I just never looked into them. For the images, you should be able to just drag and drop them off the MTP device that shows up when you plug in the nexus to the PC (MTP is the replacement for USB mass storage)
I've found a few guides for rooting. Thanks for the help!
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Copy/paste what you can off the devices storage partition, then unlock.
Nexus devices don't require a "hack" to root like other devices. Eventually there will be a non-unlocked method for rooting, but because it is so easy out the box, not much effort goes into finding a workaround.
This is why unlocking is always best to do immediately, even of you don't root or do anything.
Backup apps should work fine without root since it will have read only rights by default. Restoring a backup would require root to write. And Be cautious though because I used titanium backup while being rooted before I switched to a custom rom. When I tried to restore I got errors and the programs got really stupid. I uninstalled a few and they wouldn't let me reinstall at all without error messages. I had to find alternatives. Might be a better way but I didn't spend much time on it. Lost my Riptide 2 save though
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I used the Nexus Root Toolkit to backup all my data and cache, and it restored without problem. Helpful application. Thanks to everyone!
is there a way to backup the Note 3 after rooting it without tripping the knox flag?
ortind200 said:
is there a way to backup the Note 3 after rooting it without tripping the knox flag?
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Backing up a stock ROM is kinda pointless since you can always ODIN the original firmware. However, you can now use Titanium Backup for your apps and SMS Backup and Restore for your text messages and not trip Knox.
Alternatively, you can use Samsung Kies for general backup.
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Backing up a stock ROM is kinda pointless since you can always ODIN the original firmware. However, you can now use Titanium Backup for your apps and SMS Backup and Restore for your text messages and not trip Knox.
Alternatively, you can use Samsung Kies for general backup.
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that wont work since i need to backup all my system settings and app settings. so i got 2 questions:
1) will adb backup save my system settings?
2) will titanium save my personal settings of my apps?
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that wont work since i need to backup all my system settings and app settings. so i got 2 questions:
1) will adb backup save my system settings?
2) will titanium save my personal settings of my apps?
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From my experience, Titanium Backup restores even my login info so I believe it saves everything. I believe it even backs up system apps.
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NeoAndroid said:
From my experience, Titanium Backup restores even my login info so I believe it saves everything. I believe it even backs up system apps.
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so it saves app settings according to u.. but will it save system settings also? if not do u suggest an app that does?
ortind200 said:
so it saves app settings according to u.. but will it save system settings also? if not do u suggest an app that does?
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Here's the bottom line. As of right now, until someone figures out a way to circumvent Knox, it's kinda pointless. Let's say you are able to backup your \system partition. In order to Restore it, you will need to go through Recovery. Any custom recovery will trip Knox as of this time. So let me do some more digging or until someone has any input. Good luck.
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Here's the bottom line. As of right now, until someone figures out a way to circumvent Knox, it's kinda pointless. Let's say you are able to backup your \system partition. In order to Restore it, you will need to go through Recovery. Any custom recovery will trip Knox as of this time. So let me do some more digging or until someone has any input. Good luck.
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yeah sounds good.. and thank u i appreciate all ur help.. lets keep working at this.
Im using stock galaxy tab 3 lte sm-t215 (rooted) and i did a grievious mistake, wiped data/factory reset in stock recovery with not a single backup.
Ive tweak my device so much the way i wanted it already. PLEASE HELP if there is any way i can revert/restore everything back WITHOUT the use of any pc. Only terminal emulator.. :crying:
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Im using stock galaxy tab 3 lte sm-t215 (rooted) and i did a grievious mistake, wiped data/factory reset in stock recovery with not a single backup.
Ive tweak my device so much the way i wanted it already. PLEASE HELP if there is any way i can revert/restore everything back WITHOUT the use of any pc. Only terminal emulator.. :crying:
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No.
@crazyVato, sorry, i meant to expand on that answer but got distracted.
for what you want to do and actually save as a backup you need to be rooted WITH custom recovery.
So long as your system is intact you can repeat the process of customizing but what's
wiped is gone. =(
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I have a lot of empathy for your situation. Not many things give you that sick feeling in the pit of your stomach, but this is definitely one of them.
I am no expert but everything that I know tells me that there is no way to restore your device back the way way you had it.
I'm not certain which files remain intact following a factory reset but some do remain. Is it possible that once you rooted you made a backup that you don't remember making? It wouldn't hurt to reroot and poke around for a clockwork folder. SD Maid will also help find big files, in case a backup was stored in mnt/shell.
Best of luck to you.
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I have a lot of empathy for your situation. Not many things give you that sick feeling in the pit of your stomach, but this is definitely one of them.
I am no expert but everything that I know tells me that there is no way to restore your device back the way way you had it.
I'm not certain which files remain intact following a factory reset but some do remain. Is it possible that once you rooted you made a backup that you don't remember making? It wouldn't hurt to reroot and poke around for a clockwork folder. SD Maid will also help find big files, in case a backup was stored in mnt/shell.
Best of luck to you.
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Well i did get sd maid pro.. weird thing is it stated that my device is not rooted. I downloaded su root checker to double check and it states rooted. Gosh!!
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It says you're not rooted but can ES Exlplorer see a lever higher than sdcard?
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It says you're not rooted but can ES Exlplorer see a lever higher than sdcard?
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it stated rooted as soon as i update my su binary in supersu and update my busybox.. anyway, yeah there's no way i can get everything back.. ive done my best to tweak as much as i could remember it before its wiped out. so imma end this thread and would like to thank to the 3 of you with ur solutions..
for me, sd maid is a nono.
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