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Does verizon and sprint use the same 3g bands? I have an evo but i want to flash my thunderbolt to sprint. Don't tell me its illegal, I'm not asking how to flash, i just want to know if I can use 3g from the thunderbolt on sprint. I know I wont get 4g, I'm fine with 3g.
How else do you think people roam on Verizon 3G? Of course they're the same bands. Doing a little bit of research on Wikipedia would've told you that. However, you will not be able to use LTE; different frequency, and different technology.
To be honest, there's not all that much different from the EVO and Thunderbolt of much consequence when you get rid of LTE/WiMax.
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How else do you think people roam on Verizon 3G? Of course they're the same bands. Doing a little bit of research on Wikipedia would've told you that. However, you will not be able to use LTE; different frequency, and different technology.
To be honest, there's not all that much different from the EVO and Thunderbolt of much consequence when you get rid of LTE/WiMax.
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I still have t-mobile haha i dont know anything about cdma yet. I have yet to sell my hd7, hd2, and my mytouch 4g
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How else do you think people roam on Verizon 3G? Of course they're the same bands. Doing a little bit of research on Wikipedia would've told you that.
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Actually, not 100% true. Sprint is using the 1900 MHz band almost exclusively for 3G. They do have 800MHz spectrum, but it's running iDEN (for now). Verizon uses both the 800MHz band and the 1900MHz band, but I think that they have more of their network on 800MHz. But most (if not all) CDMA phones are dual band and can use 3G in either the 1900 or the 800MHz bands.
So the answer is indeed that the Evo can work on either. But the majority of their networks are actually on different bands.
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Actually, not 100% true. Sprint is using the 1900 MHz band almost exclusively for 3G. They do have 800MHz spectrum, but it's running iDEN (for now). Verizon uses both the 800MHz band and the 1900MHz band, but I think that they have more of their network on 800MHz. But most (if not all) CDMA phones are dual band and can use 3G in either the 1900 or the 800MHz bands.
So the answer is indeed that the Evo can work on either. But the majority of their networks are actually on different bands.
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So if i throw a verizon prl on the evo ill be using their towers
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So if i throw a verizon prl on the evo ill be using their towers
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I've never done it, so I don't know all the details. But I think basically yes.
You have T-mobile right now but you want to get a Thunderbolt and run in on the Sprint network?
Now if you are wanting to have true Sprint service you won't be able to do it. Sprint will only activate phones that are on their list of ESNs.
If you are wanting to have a Thunderbolt activated on Verizon but roaming to Sprint then yes, you can. You will have to get a Sprint PRL and flash it on your Thunderbolt.
However, after your most recent post it sounds like you are wanting to get an Evo and flash a Verizon PRL, so I'm lost.
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You have T-mobile right now but you want to get a Thunderbolt and run in on the Sprint network?
Now if you are wanting to have true Sprint service you won't be able to do it. Sprint will only activate phones that are on their list of ESNs.
If you are wanting to have a Thunderbolt activated on Verizon but roaming to Sprint then yes, you can. You will have to get a Sprint PRL and flash it on your Thunderbolt.
However, after your most recent post it sounds like you are wanting to get an Evo and flash a Verizon PRL, so I'm lost.
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I'm a little lost too, but he said he's not concerned with what's illegal and what's not, so there technically would be a way to activate a Thunderbolt on Sprint.
BUT...I just wouldn't bother. 4G is a very nice feature of both phones. If you want to be on Sprint, get the Evo. If you want to be on VZW, get the Thunderbolt. They're going to be pretty similar, though yes, the Thunderbolt's specs do beat the Evo's by some margin. I don't see a reason to mess around with missing out on a key feature (4G) and losing out on warranty and carrier support, when you can get similar devices on either network.
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I'm a little lost too, but he said he's not concerned with what's illegal and what's not, so there technically would be a way to activate a Thunderbolt on Sprint.
BUT...I just wouldn't bother. 4G is a very nice feature of both phones. If you want to be on Sprint, get the Evo. If you want to be on VZW, get the Thunderbolt. They're going to be pretty similar, though yes, the Thunderbolt's specs do beat the Evo's by some margin. I don't see a reason to mess around with missing out on a key feature (4G) and losing out on warranty and carrier support, when you can get similar devices on either network.
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unless of course you live in the middle of no where...
Ok let me clear this up I'm on t mobile and I'm switching to Sprint's network temporarily (boost mobile/virgin mobile). I was getting sick of the small screen on my mytouch 4g so I got a hd2 to run android off of. I really missed all of the features of my hd7, so I got an Evo. But since the newer version is coming out, the thunderbolt, I was wondering if its worth the switch because ill be keeping that phone for 6+ months.
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I just pulled the trigger and ordered a GSM unlocked galaxy nexus from handtec in the UK. I currently have a T-Mobile nexus s. I get awesome 3g coverage all over NYC. My main issue is inside of some buildings and in particular my work I only get edge as tmobiles high frequency bands are notorious for poor building penetration. Will the GNex switch to an at&t 3g band before kicking over to T-Mobile edge? If I set the option to use wcdma only will that do the trick? I'd imagine that I won't get dropped by T-Mobile for "roaming" on at&ts frequencies every now and again! Thoughts?
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Don't think you're allowed to choose to roam on AT&T unless there is no T-mobile service present at all. Might have to just deal with EDGE or if you're at work surely there's WiFi available. Guess it really depends how the roaming agreements are set up between T-mo and AT&T.
Correct me if I'm wrong I don't have much experience roaming, I've usually got good T-mo signal.
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I just pulled the trigger and ordered a GSM unlocked galaxy nexus from handtec in the UK. I currently have a T-Mobile nexus s. I get awesome 3g coverage all over NYC. My main issue is inside of some buildings and in particular my work I only get edge as tmobiles high frequency bands are notorious for poor building penetration. Will the GNex switch to an at&t 3g band before kicking over to T-Mobile edge? If I set the option to use wcdma only will that do the trick? I'd imagine that I won't get dropped by T-Mobile for "roaming" on at&ts frequencies every now and again! Thoughts?
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Last time I checked there's no data roaming agreements between AT&T and T-Mobile so this won't work at all.
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Last time I checked there's no data roaming agreements between AT&T and T-Mobile so this won't work at all.
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I'm sure this will change once the deal falls through.
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I'm sure this will change once the deal falls through.
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There is talk of a network sharing arrangement if and when the deal falls through. What exactly that means is unclear at this point but could be exactly what the OP is looking for.
There may be no data agreement but if I have the correct bands I should be able to force my way on to the network, no?
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No.
The network has to recognise the SIM. That means either a roaming agreement or an account with both and two SIMs.
Can you easily toggle between 2g/3g in the settings and in the power widget (or something like tasker)?
might go back to note again..tried the note 1 but returned it for a GS3 before my 30 days return..i dont normally get first gen devices but i miss the note..
i watched the sammy video and said that it will have 3G/4G LTE support so that means the unlocked version will have 3G/4G LTE or only 3G/4G hsap+ on unlocked..?
how much do unlocked note 2 will sell for?
thanks:good:
Well the one for the UK does not have LTE. The Euro one will have LTE but in the States the LTE will not work (different frequencies for LTE). So before you jump out and buy do your research. Buying a Note2 will be much more confusing this time around.
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Well the one for the UK does not have LTE. The Euro one will have LTE but in the States the LTE will not work (different frequencies for LTE). So before you jump out and buy do your research. Buying a Note2 will be much more confusing this time around.
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Will the Note 2 have HSPA 42?
I ask because I plan on using the international version on TMo prepaid once they change their network spectrum.
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Nxxx said:
Will the Note 2 have HSPA 42?
I ask because I plan on using the international version on TMo prepaid once they change their network spectrum.
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According to T-mobile yes it will do HSPA 42.
http://www.zdnet.com/t-mobile-and-u...amsung-galaxy-note-ii-coming-soon-7000004497/
I am thinking of doing the same thing as you. I live in NY and TMO already starting to change over here.
what data speed will i have if i get the unlocked version on the NOTE 2 running on ATT? hspa+? what are top peek speeds on data on that? if the unlocked NOTE 2 can run on ATT hspa+ network.. 3G is fine on ATT for web/email/msg ect.. but i want to get at least 4G+ speeds for watching videos/downloading bigger files...
thanks..
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what data speed will i have if i get the unlocked version on the NOTE 2 running on ATT? hspa+? what are top peek speeds on data on that? if the unlocked NOTE 2 can run on ATT hspa+ network.. 3G is fine on ATT for web/email/msg ect.. but i want to get at least 4G+ speeds for watching videos/downloading bigger files...
thanks..
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I am on Long Island, NY and I have straight talk which uses Att hspa+ network.
My downloads avg about 5-6mbps and my uploads about 1mbps.
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I am on Long Island, NY and I have straight talk which uses Att hspa+ network.
My downloads avg about 5-6mbps and my uploads about 1mbps.
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thats the max upload/down speeds on HSPA+ on ATT? does att have good coverage in your area?
what do HSPA+ max data speeds?
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thats the max upload/down speeds on HSPA+ on ATT? does att have good coverage in your area?
what do HSPA+ max data speeds?
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I dont know if thats the max speeds. Thats what I normally get in NYC and on parts of Long Island. Coverage so far has been good. Not many places I have been to that doesnt have coverage.
Does the Unlocked T-Mobile Note 2 work with AT&T's Proper LTE?
So this was strange.
Riding the bus in Los Angeles listening to music and surfing the web on my phone when LTE pops up. Now as you can see I have PRL 1 which forces roaming on Verizon towers. I checked my speeds to see if this was indeed true and I was hitting 16mbps+.
This lasted about a minute until I moved out of the area and signal went back to 3G.
Anyone can explain?
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So this was strange.
Riding the bus in Los Angeles listening to music and surfing the web on my phone when LTE pops up. Now as you can see I have PRL 1 which forces roaming on Verizon towers. I checked my speeds to see if this was indeed true and I was hitting 16mbps+.
This lasted about a minute until I moved out of the area and signal went back to 3G.
Anyone can explain?
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Sure, you rode by a Sprint tower that was broadcasting LTE. You can't connect to Verizon LTE as you don't have the proper hardware (VZW LTE: 700 mhz, Sprint LTE: 1900 mhz)
http://sensorly.com/map/4G/US/USA/Sprint/lte_310sprint#q=los angeles, ca
They're testing lte in los Angeles that prl is just roaming on Verizon 3g
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Sure, you rode by a Sprint tower that was broadcasting LTE. You can't connect to Verizon LTE as you don't have the proper hardware (VZW LTE: 700 mhz, Sprint LTE: 1900 mhz)
http://sensorly.com/map/4G/US/USA/Sprint/lte_310sprint#q=los angeles, ca
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That doesn't explain why I don't get LTE signal on the Verizon PRL on spots I know to have Sprint LTE though. For example at home I get a steady LTE signal -although at joke speeds. sometimes I'll be hitting 4mbps other times I'll get lucky if i even hit 1mbps- but I'll still use PRL 1 and not get Sprint LTE.
So was this a glitch that made me jump on Sprint tower although I was on forced roaming?
I think of going back and testing if this happens again. For anyone in LA, this was in Figueroa and Colorado Pasadena, CA
Dude I'm rocking the same prl and I live were Verizon has lte I don't get lte .so you just lucky and live by were they're testing sprint lte
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That doesn't explain why I don't get LTE signal on the Verizon PRL on spots I know to have Sprint LTE though. For example at home I get a steady LTE signal -although at joke speeds. sometimes I'll be hitting 4mbps other times I'll get lucky if i even hit 1mbps- but I'll still use PRL 1 and not get Sprint LTE.
So was this a glitch that made me jump on Sprint tower although I was on forced roaming?
I think of going back and testing if this happens again. For anyone in LA, this was in Figueroa and Colorado Pasadena, CA
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Nice to sew there is some signs of lte in pasadena. I was in west covina over the weekend and there was no lte. There is some in el Monte apparently.
But Sprint LTE is different from PRL as PRL is just for 3g and the gs3 had two antennas .
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LA is starting to go live with LTE. Anywhere near a freeway you'll get it.
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Verizon can eat me
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This has been explained numerous times... when you are roaming (on Verizon) but you have an LTE connection, it is two different signals. You are getting EVDO/1xRTT coverage from Verizon and LTE coverage from Sprint... no one on Sprint is roaming Verizon's LTE. Two different frequency spectrums of throughput.
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This has been explained numerous times... when you are roaming (on Verizon) but you have an LTE connection, it is two different signals. You are getting EVDO/1xRTT coverage from Verizon and LTE coverage from Sprint... no one on Sprint is roaming Verizon's LTE. Two different frequency spectrums of throughput.
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Actually, I think the OP meant it's impossible to grab Sprint's LTE 1900 on a Verizon only PRL. Due to common belief, it's said you must be on a Sprint PRL that has LTE enabled to connect to it. The OP's situation is a rare one.
I wonder if Digiblur can enlighten us here, since I've always believed you needed a Sprint-Only LTE capable PRL to connect to Sprint's LTE network.
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Actually, I think the OP meant it's impossible to grab Sprint's LTE 1900 on a Verizon only PRL. Due to common belief, it's said you must be on a Sprint PRL that has LTE enabled to connect to it. The OP's situation is a rare one.
I wonder if Digiblur can enlighten us here, since I've always believed you needed a Sprint-Only LTE capable PRL to connect to Sprint's LTE network.
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Exactly this.
I wasn't aware I could jump to Sprint LTE on a Verizon only PRL considering in areas I do get Sprint LTE coverage, I won't get 4G unless I update my PRL to a Sprint one.
I hit 13mbit near the bathrooms at the universal studios Hollywood Jurassic parking lot the other week. LAX only had 8mbit LTE
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I thought there was no roaming agreement for LTE on Verizon
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I thought there was no roaming agreement for LTE on Verizon
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Hes not on Verizon LTE, he was on Sprint LTE. What he was wondering is what @Overstew posted about the "common belief is that you need a Sprint only PRL with LTE enabled to catch LTE" bit
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Can't you just check your assigned LTE IP address to see if it was issued by Verizon or not?
I bet if you look at the LTE engineering screens it shows a Sprint PCS G block connection. From what I have seen in the past, you do need a PRL with the MCC/MNC records for that Geo. I have seen the Nexus not need this, probably because it doesn't have a qualcomm chipset.
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I thought there was no roaming agreement for LTE on Verizon
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From what I know.. ..there isn't. He could use roam control to see what carrier he is on.
PRL version 1?
bad_HABIT said:
So this was strange.
Riding the bus in Los Angeles listening to music and surfing the web on my phone when LTE pops up. Now as you can see I have PRL 1 which forces roaming on Verizon towers. I checked my speeds to see if this was indeed true and I was hitting 16mbps+.
This lasted about a minute until I moved out of the area and signal went back to 3G.
Anyone can explain?
Screenshot attached as proof
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Will someone please link me to the file for PRL version 1? (assuming this is still the best option) I am in a rural area where Verizon has 4Glte but sprint data sucks. I've searched but can't find it. Also, if I switch to s stock rooted rom, flash it, and then recover my current rom (Eclipse), will the PRL stick or revert back to what it was?
Thanks,
foos
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Will someone please link me to the file for PRL version 1? (assuming this is still the best option) I am in a rural area where Verizon has 4Glte but sprint data sucks. I've searched but can't find it. Also, if I switch to s stock rooted rom, flash it, and then recover my current rom (Eclipse), will the PRL stick or revert back to what it was?
Thanks,
foos
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I don't believe that is possible. Verizon and sprint use different frequencies for lte. They only share 3g and 2g frequency.
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I found 1,2,3 and a couple others but none of them will give me 3g but I know it's here. I wasn't trying to get 4g, as nice as it would be.
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Well, since the Force is out and the DT2 seems to completely lack dev support and rooting method, I am very seriously considering dumping VZW for TMo. Picked up a prepaid sim from 7-11 to test out tonight.
I live just over the river from NYC in NJ and commute to Bryant Park area daily for work. Will be periodically posting my impressions here. Plan on swapping SIMs for a few day to put TMo thru the ringer before pulling the trigger on an X-Force
So far working completely, both Voice & LTE. Not sure if I am getting VoLTE or true GSM Voice service, as I do not know of a way to test. I have been sitting comfortably on Band 4 for LTE when outside with 4 full bars of service. Inside my apartment, 4g is spotty with TMo (I live in a garden level place, half underground half above in a brownstone), however without band 12 present in the phone, I dont expect blazing or strong 4g signal indoors.
I do however get strong HSPA+ inside which has been pretty fast through basic web browsing and small app downloads.
What has blown me away is the speed of the TMo network, both HSPA and LTE. I took the following speedtests (same spot, swapping sims & letting connection settle). While it is harder to get 4G LTE inside with TMo and no band 12, when I do get it, the speed still BLOWS away VZW
Pic 1 - Verizon Indoor (foyer) - 4G LTE
Pic 2 - T-Mo Indoor (foyer) - HSPA +
Pic 3 - Verizon Outside - 4G LTE
Pic 4 - T-Mo Outside - 4G LTE
Pic 5 - T-Mo Inside front foyer - 4G LTE (verizon speed was same as previous outside pic)
Pic 6 - Verizon Inside on Couch (middle of apt) - 4G LTE
Pic 7 - TMo Inside on Couch (middle of apt) - 4G LTE
Got it from VZW BF promotion, thanks for your post. It does work for AT&T and T-Mobile, not sure for Sprint.
lwang9 said:
Got it from VZW BF promotion, thanks for your post. It does work for AT&T and T-Mobile, not sure for Sprint.
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Have been seeing similar results today while at work in nyc. My desk gets full 4-5 bars of 4g service with TMo. I am on the 8th floor of a brick building. Def thought reception would suck at my desk.
Ive had the same results today at my desk regarding speed tests.
So you had to do no unlocking,it worked out of the box?
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So you had to do no unlocking,it worked out of the box?
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yep, 100% minus band 12. Not sure if band 12 can be unlocked. but has been working pretty sweet out of the box. simple sim swap
You guys think this would soon work with Google fi, now that would be nice . thanks for the info guys nice to know since I am limited to 18GB...
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You guys think this would soon work with Google fi, now that would be nice . thanks for the info guys nice to know since I am limited to 18GB...
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I would think it would work partially... I would check what bands project fi uses
lwang9 said:
Got it from VZW BF promotion, thanks for your post. It does work for AT&T and T-Mobile, not sure for Sprint.
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It'll work on GSM carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T, US Cellular, etc.) but not Sprint since it's a CDMA network. Phones with CDMA radios are allowed onto a CDMA network via a code, and Sprint blocks codes from Verizon phones, and vice versa.
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It'll work on GSM carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T, US Cellular, etc.) but not Sprint since it's a CDMA network. Phones with CDMA radios are allowed onto a CDMA network via a code, and Sprint blocks codes from Verizon phones, and vice versa.
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Current generation iPhone and Nexus work with Sprint and Verizon both.
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Current generation iPhone and Nexus work with Sprint and Verizon both.
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That's because iPhones and Nexuses are unlocked phones by default. The Turbo 2 is a Verizon exclusive that happens to be SIM unlocked, so Sprint isn't going to accept it.
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You guys think this would soon work with Google fi, now that would be nice . thanks for the info guys nice to know since I am limited to 18GB...
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It should work on the T-mo portion of Fi, with no switching to Sprint, obviously. Also no wi-fi calling afaik.
Where do you live? I have yet to see less then 60Mbs on Verizon. Hell I hit over 100 pretty often and stay around 75-80 for the most part.
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Where do you live? I have yet to see less then 60Mbs on Verizon. Hell I hit over 100 pretty often and stay around 75-80 for the most part.
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That is some great speed!!! No I was talking about my data cap of 18gb. I was thinking of getting a side prepaid sim for the extra data.
Please tell me how you did it
how did you get the turbo 2 to work on tmobile?
im in nyc and have turbo 2 on vzw and had an extra one as backup. a buddy in tampa florida using a galaxy s6 regular on tmo kept having issues with his fone. i sent him my backup which is exactly the same im using. he put his sim into the turbo without any problems and works fine. he gets no dropped calls for whatever reason. he thought he would miss his wifi calling but since the fone is better at reception all around he doesnt need the wifi calling and of course he has unlimited data using his Tmo sim and its on LTE . only thing he said he has missed is the turbo 2 doesnt have infrared for his samsuck tv and other controls he could have used via his galaxys infrared. hope this helps.
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how did you get the turbo 2 to work on tmobile?
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All Verizon LTE phones are network unlocked by order of the FCC ever since 2011, 2012. It was an "agreement" Verizon was forced to sign to get more LTE spectrum.
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/09/24/verizon-iphone-5-unlocked/
http://www.verizon.com/about/consumer-safety/device-unlocking-policy
VERIZON: We do not lock our 4G LTE devices, and no code is needed to program them for use with another carrier.
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It's old news. As long as a Verizon phone has the necessary LTE bands, it will work on any other LTE carrier.
Droid Turbo 2 has LTE bands 2,3,4,7,13. T-Mobile uses LTE bands 2,4,12. So, he's getting LTE bands 2,4.
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All Verizon LTE phones are network unlocked by order of the FCC ever since 2011, 2012. It was an "agreement" Verizon was forced to sign to get more LTE spectrum.
It's old news. As long as a Verizon phone has the necessary LTE bands, it will work on any other LTE carrier.
Droid Turbo 2 has LTE bands 2,3,4,7,13. T-Mobile uses LTE bands 2,4,12. So, he's getting LTE bands 2,4.
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I'm assuming this means I could use my droid turbo 2 outside of the US and just swap in a local sim (and use LTE if those countries use 2,3,7 or 13)?
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I'm assuming this means I could use my droid turbo 2 outside of the US and just swap in a local sim (and use LTE if those countries use 2,3,7 or 13)?
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Yes. For countries without those bands you would rely upon HSPA or even GSM.
I'm using mine on Telstra in Australia with no issues. (Droid Turbo 2)
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I'm using mine on Telstra in Australia with no issues. (Droid Turbo 2)
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What LTE bands does your carrier use? Info i found says 1, 3, 7, 8, 28. Droid Turbo 2 had two of those (3, 7), plus HSPA of course.