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http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-epic-4g-touch-kernel-source-now-available
I think this bodes very very very well for us. Samsung is setting a brilliant tone to this scene already. I'm thrilled.
Take that HTC
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Take that HTC
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Bingo.
While HTC is busy not just dropping the ball but spending most of their time kicking it behind them Samsung is running with it...this release actually went better than the mess it appeared to be last night. It seems there was a perfect amount of the phones around for us, perhaps specifically...seriously. They knew the enthusiast community is the first to scoop these up which is why they probably didn't even waste the money on advertising. Get them into the enthusiast and developers hands first. Drop that kernel source ASAP. Let a buzz build up as they start advertising yet barely anyone can find one, then in a month when all 3rd party retailers have them and start advertising and there will be tons in stock and a bunch of active (and progressing) development projects--which are encouraged.
...and I'm sure Steve Kondik plays into this somewhere, I bet there is one more surprise up their sleeves.
EDIT:...and I bet they're watching. Thanks Samsung, keep this up. I'm going to show this phone and what it can do to every single person I come across--probably even unintentionally given that gigantic gorgeous eye-drawing screen.
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Bingo.
While HTC is busy not just dropping the ball but spending most of their time kicking it behind them Samsung is running with it...this release actually went better than the mess it appeared to be last night. It seems there was a perfect amount of the phones around for us, perhaps specifically...seriously. They knew the enthusiast community is the first to scoop these up which is why they probably didn't even waste the money on advertising. Get them into the enthusiast and developers hands first. Drop that kernel source ASAP. Let a buzz build up as they start advertising yet barely anyone can find one, then in a month when all 3rd party retailers have them and start advertising and there will be tons in stock and a bunch of active (and progressing) development projects--which are encouraged.
...and I'm sure Steve Kondik plays into this somewhere, I bet there is one more surprise up their sleeves.
EDIT:...and I bet they're watching. Thanks Samsung, keep this up. I'm going to show this phone and what it can do to every single person I come across--probably even unintentionally given that gigantic gorgeous eye-drawing screen.
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This sounds likely. Submitted this little tidbit of info for possible XDA frontpage to help drum up dev support and buzz generation.
NOTE: before i begin i want to say that im NOT bashing anyone or any developers!!! i love them and thank them for everything that they have done to make android what it is!!!! THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!!
now to begin..
do you guys think that both software and hardware (at least in the mobile world) are moving too fast?
Hardware:i mean look at the tegra series, with Wayne, Grey, Logan, and last but not least Stark (definitely not least; it is projected to 75 times stronger then tegra2) . and now we have a $200 tablet with a quadcore CPU with 178 degree viewing angle. that runs better then a $500 tablet! YES, thats right the nexus 7 run better (as in it is smoother, higher benchmark, and games will run better, less lag) then the asus transformer prime!!!!
Software: look how much has change between gingerbread (2.3.7) and jellybean (4.1). it has grown to be sooooo much. and developers (this is what im talking about at the top... im NOT bashing) but they can't keep up, and not only the people making custom ROMs but OEMs cant keep up. the jellybean SDK is out (and hopefully soon the source will be too) and we dont even have ICS! and look at cyanogen mod they brought ICS nightlies to a few specific devices but soon ICS will be an old version of android. and hopefully they will try to keep up with android. the code keeps changing so developers (like CM, AOKP, and straight AOSP) have to relearn the source code.
the mobile world is changing at a amazing rate and things will never be the same
again im NOT bashing i thank everyone
The devs here are ahead of the manufacturers. It's not really that it's moving so fast, it's just that the manufacturers are behind. Think about it, as a company, would you continue to lay out to your employees to update a phone that you're no longer selling (making money on)?
Realize that the Google phones (nexus etc) are receiving jelly bean, etc as they are built...
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basketthis said:
The devs here are ahead of the manufacturers. It's not really that it's moving so fast, it's just that the manufacturers are behind. Think about it, as a company, would you continue to lay out to your employees to update a phone that you're no longer selling (making money on)?
Realize that the Google phones (nexus etc) are receiving jelly bean, etc as they are built...
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yes the one specific device that google planned the hardware for....
but...
look at CM7 it got to a lot of devices (stable) ( i think between 60 and 80) but CM9 has gotten to a select few ( not stable but nightlies) and there is a new version of android that hopefully they will move to
I personally think either the OEMs need to pick up the pace and make a commitment to the customers that they will support their phones for 24 months and that if a new version of android drops. They will have it available for download to that device within. 6months of release. What does this mean for the OEM. They would have to hire more quality employes that can code and bust ass. Or Google needs to pish back releases from once a year to once every 18 months or so. I personally feel the oems should rise up and start making some waves and getting g these updates and phone knocked out. They could do it if they wanted. But they don't want to hire more employees and **** cause that would cut into profits. This k about it. If there was a team of 8-10 devs per device for a manufacturer. Their sole job would be to keep that device updated with the latest software. Once the 24 month mark hit the device. Move them to another new device and start again. Yeah it would cost more. But it would make for happy customers and happy customer buy more phones from you.
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I don't think it's moving to fast. I'm a firm believer that tech companies have tech that to us would be 5 years advanced, but they're just sitting on it to stretch it out and milk the money.
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Hardware:i mean look at the tegra series, with Wayne, Grey, Logan, and last but not least Stark (definitely not least; it is projected to 75 times stronger then tegra2).
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Why are these tegra thingys named after super heros
Wayne- Bruce Wayne a.k.a. Batman
Grey- Jean grey a.k.a. phoenix
Logan- James howlett a.k.a. wolverine
Stark- anthony edward stark a.k.a. iron man
Also why does marvel have so much more love than dc. They are both pretty great. At least they got the best man in dc Batman
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NOTE: before i begin i want to say that im NOT bashing anyone or any developers!!! i love them and thank them for everything that they have done to make android what it is!!!! THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!!
now to begin..
do you guys think that both software and hardware (at least in the mobile world) are moving too fast?
Hardware:i mean look at the tegra series, with Wayne, Grey, Logan, and last but not least Stark (definitely not least; it is projected to 75 times stronger then tegra2) . and now we have a $200 tablet with a quadcore CPU with 178 degree viewing angle. that runs better then a $500 tablet! YES, thats right the nexus 7 run better (as in it is smoother, higher benchmark, and games will run better, less lag) then the asus transformer prime!!!!
Software: look how much has change between gingerbread (2.3.7) and jellybean (4.1). it has grown to be sooooo much. and developers (this is what im talking about at the top... im NOT bashing) but they can't keep up, and not only the people making custom ROMs but OEMs cant keep up. the jellybean SDK is out (and hopefully soon the source will be too) and we dont even have ICS! and look at cyanogen mod they brought ICS nightlies to a few specific devices but soon ICS will be an old version of android. and hopefully they will try to keep up with android. the code keeps changing so developers (like CM, AOKP, and straight AOSP) have to relearn the source code.
the mobile world is changing at a amazing rate and things will never be the same
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Probably most of you didn't catch the Reddit post about Linus's talk recently, but I do agree with him on one thing. "Nvidia, **** you (flips the camera the bird)!"
http://m.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/06/torvalds-nvidia-linux/
LOL
" Then he took a bit of shot at Microsoft — the historical rival of Linux. He said that Linux is the only operating system that uses the same kernel across all devices — and that this includes Microsoft Windows. “Nobody has ever done that before,” he said. “[Microsoft] claims they’re trying to [create a single kernel with] Windows 8. They’re lying. They’re not. They’re full of ****.”"
I love Linus for not being afraid to speak his mind wherever that might be.
the only reason i choose the tegra series is because the majority of people know about it and they are very powerful chips
gtuansdiamm said:
Why are these tegra thingys named after super heros
Wayne- Bruce Wayne a.k.a. Batman
Grey- Jean grey a.k.a. phoenix
Logan- James howlett a.k.a. wolverine
Stark- anthony edward stark a.k.a. iron man
Also why does marvel have so much more love than dc. They are both pretty great. At least they got the best man in dc Batman
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why does google name android after deserts and their phones after fish?!?!?
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why does google name android after deserts and their phones after fish?!?!?
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Phones after a fish? I know the word nexus has multiple meanings. As for the deserts thing I'm not sure. I have wondered this myself.
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why does google name android after deserts and their phones after fish?!?!?
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Their phones are named after fish?!?
Please eloborate
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Their phones are named after fish?!?
Please eloborate
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Goldfish for example...
Crespo, Maguro, Tuna...
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Goldfish for example...
Crespo, Maguro, Tuna...
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Wow!!! I never noticed that.
I have to agree??? I think that it is moving too fast. You cant even hold a phone for 6 months now with out it being outdated. The nexus was supposed to be the top android phone, and I think google dropped the ball on that with the nexus s, and then they started making them carrier specific, which ruins the freaking point of having a nexus. Now you have samsung releasing "s voice" before google releases "google now", samsung releasing a quad core before google, blah, blah, blah..... I dont know. The majority of phones dont have ICS yet, but here comes google releasing JB. OEMs have been fu**ing off "trying" to release ICS, now they have another hurdle to get over. I dont even care anymore. Hell, I have been looking at buying another samsung moment just to have boring again.
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Goldfish for example...
Crespo, Maguro, Tuna...
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All I know was that nexus s was crespo and I didn't know that was a fish
Which devices are the rest?
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All I know was that nexus s was crespo and I didn't know that was a fish
Which devices are the rest?
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"soju" for Nexus S (worldwide version, i9020t and i9023)
"sojua" for Nexus S (850MHz version, i9020a)
"sojuk" for Nexus S (Korea version, m200)
"sojus" for Nexus S 4G (d720, archived, for reference only)
"yakju" for Galaxy Nexus "maguro" (GSM/HSPA+)
"takju" for Galaxy Nexus "maguro" (GSM/HSPA+) (with Google Wallet)
"nakasi" for Nexus 7
"mysid" for Galaxy Nexus "toro" (CDMA/LTE) (archived, for reference only)
I apologize for not quoting sources, as I read far too many stories daily using Pulse, but before today, I can recall hearing about a new nexus device rumor story almost bi-weekly across the internet from nearly every major manufacturer ranging from HTC, Samsung (gnex2), Motorola, LG, and possibly more.
My question: Do you think this will be the year that manufacturers across the board begin to all release a variant Nexus device with vanilla Android (see: SGIII Developer Edition) to please the development community? This would've sounded far-fetched possibly even three months ago, but my fellow tech-news addicts will hopefully weigh in and source me here.
What do you think?
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There already other threads on this very topic!
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I apologize if that is the case, as only a quick search didn't turn up much for me. (Maybe I'm just not searching the right terms for this topic) I've trolled xda for a while now and prayed I wouldn't make my entrance making "one of those" posts, but alas, we all begin somewhere.
OK, I feel the need to publically rant about my nexus 7 (sorry, utterly useless topic)
I'm tired of acting as a beta tester when I buy consumer electronics. The problems with multitouch on my nexus 7 32gb were hiliarious for about 10 secs. I don't even want to try out the various bootloaders to try to fix it software-wize. This kind of problem should not have happened in the first place, AT ALL. How the hell do these products get quality checked before being sold, seriously ? Multitouch is THE main and basic feature of such devices, how on Earth can it not be perfect out of box ?
I was wondering by the way : has Apple ever had any problems with the multitouch on its phones ? I've actually rarely had any apple phones / tablets in my hand, but each single time, the touch response was way better than any android device out there. How come ? (please don't tell me : "ok f* off and go apple already", it's an open question, I'm curious).
Also, this tablet being my first experience in the tablet world, Google clearly hasn't made up its mind if it's to be considered as a tablet or as a biggish phone. Gmail, for one, in portrait looks as stupid as Tapatalk 4 with its massive side menu you can't ever swipe away. I want a damn TABLET experience.
So the nexus 7 is going back to the shop, and I'll wait for some other device, which may be a long time, as I cannot imagine buying anything else than nexus (Can't bare manufacturer devices that already aren't supported anymore after being on the market for >4months).
I sicked of being played around, and tired of all this nonsense. :/
Cheers. have a wonderful weekend. (and "Bon courage !" to all of you nexus7 users, I'm out)
Don't buy Nexus devices if you are going to throw hissy fits over bugs
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z0phi3l said:
Don't buy Nexus devices if you are going to throw hissy fits over bugs
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What's your point ? Nexus devices are supposed to be an especially reliable plateform for Android app programmers, not a vast google beta program for it's own developers !! (I'm talking about the basic hardware features here, not advanced / beta features in google apps)
OP, i'd say... who cares? You said yourself its stupid thread so why do you bother to start it anyway?
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Developer devices don't have to be stable, they are a baseline to work with, no one have any guarantees that they would be consumer level qualify or stable, buying a Nexus device means you are part time beta testing
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Developer devices don't have to be stable, they are a baseline to work with, no one have any guarantees that they would be consumer level qualify or stable, buying a Nexus device means you are part time beta testing
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The nexus 7 is sold in all consumer electronic stores, as is any Samsung, Sony,... products. Clearly it's not "beta hardware" anymore...
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Developer devices don't have to be stable, they are a baseline to work with, no one have any guarantees that they would be consumer level qualify or stable, buying a Nexus device means you are part time beta testing
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Seriously? They sold a bunch of devices and all "buyers" should be developers only? If I buy a device then the basic features must work. Nothing more nothing less, also if I am a developer the device must work.
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Seriously? They sold a bunch of devices and all "buyers" should be developers only? If I buy a device then the basic features must work. Nothing more nothing less, also if I am a developer the device must work.
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I'd even say, a developer would require EXTRA STABLE hardware in order to program without having hardware bugs mixing with his own apps' bugs...
when you first discovered the issue did you try to return it? Have you read about the issue before purchasing it?
why not get an apple device, just curious.
I completely agree with you with all these problems with the Nexus 7, but for its price and speed compared to the iPad mini, I'll stick with my Nexus 7 since the problems are bearable for me.
While I agree with the OP in principle, almost everything in the computing industry is that way any more. There is such pressure to get new hardware/software out the door, that all vendors are putting stuff out before it is truly ready. I don't think Google is any more guilty of this than any other technology vendor. I've seen stuff a LOT more screwed up than the N7.
IMO there is an 80-90% chance most, if not all, of your touch issues can be resolved in 10 minutes using this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2428133
Of course you won't have the pleasure of ranting.
Your choice.
That is why I always wait at least a month before I buy something. That ways I can see if there is any problems with the first run. With the New Nexus 7 I new there was going to be issues with multi touch and I haven't had any problems with it yet. The only problem I have had so far is the keyboard sometimes freezes while I type. Not a big deal to me. No matter what electronic device you buy, there will always be something that will go wrong with it. I'm loving the New Nexus 7 so far. Just sad to see someone get discouraged over something that could be fixed by software. Enjoy your next tablet that you get.
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I think it's an Asus thing rather than Google's fault, though u could argue it's Google's fault for going with aids...
phentex said:
OK, I feel the need to publically rant about my nexus 7 (sorry, utterly useless topic)
I'm tired of acting as a beta tester when I buy consumer electronics. The problems with multitouch on my nexus 7 32gb were hiliarious for about 10 secs. I don't even want to try out the various bootloaders to try to fix it software-wize. This kind of problem should not have happened in the first place, AT ALL. How the hell do these products get quality checked before being sold, seriously ? Multitouch is THE main and basic feature of such devices, how on Earth can it not be perfect out of box ?
I was wondering by the way : has Apple ever had any problems with the multitouch on its phones ? I've actually rarely had any apple phones / tablets in my hand, but each single time, the touch response was way better than any android device out there. How come ? (please don't tell me : "ok f* off and go apple already", it's an open question, I'm curious).
Also, this tablet being my first experience in the tablet world, Google clearly hasn't made up its mind if it's to be considered as a tablet or as a biggish phone. Gmail, for one, in portrait looks as stupid as Tapatalk 4 with its massive side menu you can't ever swipe away. I want a damn TABLET experience.
So the nexus 7 is going back to the shop, and I'll wait for some other device, which may be a long time, as I cannot imagine buying anything else than nexus (Can't bare manufacturer devices that already aren't supported anymore after being on the market for >4months).
I sicked of being played around, and tired of all this nonsense. :/
Cheers. have a wonderful weekend. (and "Bon courage !" to all of you nexus7 users, I'm out)
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Shuddup
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phentex said:
OK, I feel the need to publically rant about my nexus 7 (sorry, utterly useless topic)
I'm tired of acting as a beta tester when I buy consumer electronics. The problems with multitouch on my nexus 7 32gb were hiliarious for about 10 secs. I don't even want to try out the various bootloaders to try to fix it software-wize. This kind of problem should not have happened in the first place, AT ALL. How the hell do these products get quality checked before being sold, seriously ? Multitouch is THE main and basic feature of such devices, how on Earth can it not be perfect out of box ?
I was wondering by the way : has Apple ever had any problems with the multitouch on its phones ? I've actually rarely had any apple phones / tablets in my hand, but each single time, the touch response was way better than any android device out there. How come ? (please don't tell me : "ok f* off and go apple already", it's an open question, I'm curious).
Also, this tablet being my first experience in the tablet world, Google clearly hasn't made up its mind if it's to be considered as a tablet or as a biggish phone. Gmail, for one, in portrait looks as stupid as Tapatalk 4 with its massive side menu you can't ever swipe away. I want a damn TABLET experience.
So the nexus 7 is going back to the shop, and I'll wait for some other device, which may be a long time, as I cannot imagine buying anything else than nexus (Can't bare manufacturer devices that already aren't supported anymore after being on the market for >4months).
I sicked of being played around, and tired of all this nonsense. :/
Cheers. have a wonderful weekend. (and "Bon courage !" to all of you nexus7 users, I'm out)
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Let's be honest here, you can always find a flaw in each phone/tablet out in the market. Everything comes down to your personal preference and your ability to accept certain flaws. Even ipads/iphones have their own set of issues. It may not be multi touch issues but there are some other issues.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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I dont have any issues. None that you describe. Then again, I'm not an end user. Which you sound like. Nothing wrong with that. But you bought something for power users and devs. Not Gramma's and Hippsters..
I change the things out with other things that give me issues or that I don't like and I have full control of the tablet. Something you'll harldy get elsewhere.
But thats not what you want. You want rock stable. So buy an Apple. (which has its own issues, But thats not where I am going) or a windows slate...Muahahahahahahahahahaha....Sorry, there really is no place to go that doesn't have some kind of issue. Maybe Buy a chalk board. Those haven't had many issues in like 100+ years.
I love how everyone has their own way of fighting with OP. He wasn't trying to engage a fight simply saying that the Nexus had too many problems for his liking. I was very very close to leaving as well myself. If there was any comparable alternative I would have been gone long ago.
Why do you guys make excuses for Google? Nexus is for developers only? LOL guess u think this site is developers only too. Sure, stuff happens when your factory is in China... But this is excessive..
There needs to be accountability and quick corrective action (Google has taken some action, but not enough yet.) if we sit here and accept whatever garbage is fed to us, we will always be fed garbage simply because they can.
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LOL guess u think this site is developers only too. \.
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Tell you what, PM a mod and ask them this question. I bet you find out real quick how wrong you are. This site is only for developers. Everyone else is allowed to post because they allow it. You must be newer. When I joined if you even posted a topic such as this you'd one get ignored or flammed into oblivion and two most likely warned or straight up banned.
You fail to realize that without the devs this site is just a....forum.
The name of the forum is; XDA (delevelopers).....
Really some of you ppl...
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Tell you what, PM a mod and ask them this question. I bet you find out real quick how wrong you are. This site is only for developers. Everyone else is allowed to post because they allow it. You must be newer. When I joined if you even posted a topic such as this you'd one get ignored or flammed into oblivion and two most likely warned or straight up banned.
You fail to realize that without the devs this site is just a....forum.
The name of the forum is; XDA (delevelopers).....
Really some of you ppl...
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Xda developers, yes... How many people are developing for Xda? I guess we should all be banned. What kind of statement are u making did you even think before you post?
Yeah, maybe a mod thinks this site is only for developers... But I would like to see the reaction on the site owners face if you told him they have banned all non developers. Ad revenue instantly = 0
Historically the site was started for developers maybe but now I guarantee 90% of site content cannot be considered development. Unless you consider a million replies asking where to download Gapp zip for paranoid android development....
Stuff like the OP doesn't belong Development forum, but can you blame the guy for posting here? I went through 20 Nexus only to find out that it was a firmware issue. Google messed up royally...
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/09/18/cyanogenmod-forms-cyanogen-inc-with-7-million-in-funding-to-release-cm-installer-app-through-google-play/
I'm very interested that they have created a deal with a hardware vendor. If I'm not mistaken this is essentially what MIUI has done with Xiaomi in China. I hope it works for CM, they have done as much for Android as Google has in some regards.
I wonder if it's HTC? I'm always rooting for them, I can't believe they're doing so poorly. Says the guy with an LG phone but still.
Probably oppo or Sony. Both of them have helped with CM and contribute more source than legally required.
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I would have to tend to agree with the Readers over at Droid Life, this is NOT really good news when you consider what is more then likely going to happen when it comes to investors. Mainstream is gonna change CM, it has to for the average user.
I hope that AOKP is able to survive the fallout (so to speak) if the mainstream does bring drastic changes!
Hmm, I can see another OS for android coming on the scene now. With that in mind it could work out for the better, although that doesn't happen to often in these type of situations.
Just MO!
Open source has to financially sustain itself, look at Ubuntu attempting to get corporations involved.
SlimMan said:
I would have to tend to agree with the Readers over at Droid Life, this is NOT really good news when you consider what is more then likely going to happen when it comes to investors. Mainstream is gonna change CM, it has to for the average user.
I hope that AOKP is able to survive the fallout (so to speak) if the mainstream does bring drastic changes!
Hmm, I can see another OS for android coming on the scene now. With that in mind it could work out for the better, although that doesn't happen to often in these type of situations.
Just MO!
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I think there are some pros and cons. Ultimately I think as long as they do what they have stated they will continue to do, which is keep the software open source and develop in accordance with the Apache Licensing guidelines then I imagine it will be ok for the most part. I'm personally very excited to see CM being the default ROM loaded onto point of sale devices.
If xboxfanj is right, and oppo or Sony is the hardware partner these could be great phones. Both hardware manufacturers have made some very high quality handsets in the last year or so and appear to be the manufacturers that are kind of flying under the radar at this point.
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I think there are some pros and cons. Ultimately I think as long as they do what they have stated they will continue to do, which is keep the software open source and develop in accordance with the Apache Licensing guidelines then I imagine it will be ok for the most part. I'm personally very excited to see CM being the default ROM loaded onto point of sale devices.
If xboxfanj is right, and oppo or Sony is the hardware partner these could be great phones. Both hardware manufacturers have made some very high quality handsets in the last year or so and appear to be the manufacturers that are kind of flying under the radar at this point.
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Sounds like CM isn't going to keep everything open, based on what xplodwild is saying. They wanted to license Focal differently and keep it partially proprietary while not giving him anything even though he made the app.
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Sounds like CM isn't going to keep everything open, based on what xplodwild is saying. They wanted to license Focal differently and keep it partially proprietary while not giving him anything even though he made the app.
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Steve Kondik and Koush have told a different story. I will find the article I read where kondik said in no uncertain terms they planned to keep everything open.
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All I can figure from this is that is gonna be hard for Cyanogenmod to win back the community that's supported them this entire time after alienating them like this. Ugly stuff going on behind the scenes in the community, I mean half the reason people on this site support Android as their mobile OS of choice in the first place is because of how open it is.
I look at Boxee as an example of what happens when a community supported open source project begins to make compromises for the sake of corporate partnerships. I think CM are killing themselves because their user base has no interest in a watered down ROM.
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Xiutehcuhtli said:
Steve Kondik and Koush have told a different story. I will find the article I read where kondik said in no uncertain terms they planned to keep everything open.
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https://plus.google.com/106978520009932034644/posts/L8FJkrcahPs
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https://plus.google.com/106978520009932034644/posts/L8FJkrcahPs
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Have read this. I prefer to give then the benefit of the doubt before assuming that they have embraced evil and will do nothing more than screw everyone that they ever looked at.
Kondik has made several statements to the effect that they have no plans to close anything off. At the end of the day we will see. Until then, CM had given a LOT to the Android community and I think they have earned at least a little trust. Innocent until proven guilty after all.
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Xiutehcuhtli said:
Have read this. I prefer to give then the benefit of the doubt before assuming that they have embraced evil and will do nothing more than screw everyone that they ever looked at.
Kondik has made several statements to the effect that they have no plans to close anything off. At the end of the day we will see. Until then, CM had given a LOT to the Android community and I think they have earned at least a little trust. Innocent until proven guilty after all.
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Xplodwild's post certainly makes sense and he was pretty loyal to CM. He made this project to spearhead Project Nemesis. I understand that CM needs to be able to make money, but I definitely don't want that to be at the cost of user freedom and the dual-licensing seems pretty sketchy. Steve's response as grabs popcorn certainly doesn't alleviate the fears of CM taking the money and running as it were and doesn't reject Guillame's post at all. It all but confirms it. Plus, it certainly doesn't seem fair that only Steve, Ricardo, Koush, and other full-time employees are the only ones being rewarded here. Obviously, you can't pay everyone that fixes spelling mistakes in the code, but Guillame and Andrew Neal (dev of Apollo) or Nebkat (dev of Trebuchet) have made apps in their free times for nothing, which they thought was contributing to a free project, but to have others make money off of their work seems like insanity to me.
Its time to start changing from cm ... If it wasn't for all the devs out their they wouldn't b in the position they are in to profit and claim that hey once u help us we get to do what we want and if u don't like it take a hike ... I'm all for cm expanding into bigger and better but not at the exspense of the people who made them and got them to the status they have ....
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Its time to start changing from cm ... If it wasn't for all the devs out their they wouldn't b in the position they are in to profit and claim that hey once u help us we get to do what we want and if u don't like it take a hike ... I'm all for cm expanding into bigger and better but not at the exspense of the people who made them and got them to the status they have ....
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I figured the same thing. Guess we will need a new base to build with lol. Suggestions? I'm a complete Noob when it comes to developing but I understand how the file system and everything INSIDE the phone is set up (for the most part) and want to see about contributing back
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