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I bought an Iphone... Never a section 4 it?

I changed my HTC device with an Apple Iphone..the major thing I miss is the XDA developers forum ... In the future can we (about 5000k people..) at least hope to have one ? cheers....

probably not, this forum is for ms pda's (mainly htc), notice not much talk of palm devices either you'll probably have to find other forums that discuss the iphone cuz ive noticed not many people on this forum even like the word iphone unless its getting bashed. so good luck but i wouldnt look forward to it

I heard Apple is releasing the dev kit for the iPhone...so people can start writing their own apps for the phone. Also heard something about being able to run webapps offline.
I'm sure the iPhone forums will take off as soon as people start developing for the iPhone.

yeah it's true. tomorrow for the devkit !

If it's not made by HTC you won't get it through the door. There'll be sites-a-pleanty once a devkit is out but probably none as good as this. I wonder if Apple will set about having them shut down? You can't have people using their own property for anything they want you know.....

another issue is that apple use objectC rather then c++ or c# or even old c or poorly VB
and objectC is a world apart from the other languages

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vicer said:
I changed my HTC device with an Apple Iphone..the major thing I miss is the XDA developers forum ... In the future can we (about 5000k people..) at least hope to have one ? cheers....
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This is really an HTC only forum.

Sorry to plug, but forums.macrumors.com has a pretty good iPhone/iPhone Hacking Community.

Hey!
A little Definion about "XDA":
"The [O2] Xda brand is a range of O2-branded Windows Mobile PDA phones, produced by multiple manufacturers (mainly HTC, Quanta and Erima). The first model was released in June 2002. The "X" represents convergence of voice and information/data within one product; the "da" stands for "digital assistant", as in PDA."
I think this forum should be specified in Windows Mobile. The iPhone isn't a productively device on the market! And the people who buy this expensive "Fun-Gadget" doesn't use it to develop something on it.
"The iPhone is a dust-bin: It can look beautiful, but the contents are rubbish."
Sorry for my bad English! Greetz

boze said:
"The iPhone is a dust-bin: It can look beautiful, but the contents are rubbish."
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I have to second this motion.... +2

XDA is a HTC community, you have other places.
Howard forums
hackint0sh
Google can help to find more. I am giving you some than give fast responses.

Rubbish??
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What part of the contents are rubbish? Just wondering becuase I just got a good deal on a 16gb and I cant find flaws. BTW, I purchased it to resell it becuase it was way too cheap. Not to mention, it would give me a chance to see what all the hype was about. Let me tell you...I know why so many devs on xda are trying to emulate some of the features and charecteristics of the iphone. Bcuase it is the best phone/handheld device that I have ever played with.
In my idea, not to go into all of the greatness of the iphone in my opinion, but if I can buy a 16gb for $400 (unlocked to use with any gsm carrier), $5.99 T-ZOne hack and many other cool things like SNES, NES with each having about 100 or so games etc. and the abilty to add 12 movies and over 700 songs and still have over 7gb to play with and still running like lightning.......my mind is made up.
DOnt let me forget about the accelorometer and the games that are available that utilize the accelorometer.
Please tell me where the rubbish is.
Oh and BTW, I am locked in my Verizon contract for another couple of months on my 6700 so I cant %100 test the calling capabilities yet as I have not hooked this one up.

Worth getting a WP7 ?

Hello with the the new updates is the phone now worth considering ?
Currently I am using a desire HD
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intrancer said:
Hello with the the new updates is the phone now worth considering ?
Currently I am using a desire HD
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk
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I would personally wait for Nokia WP7, Thats when you'll see some good hardware / camera etc...

I bought mine two weeks ago. It is not perfect, i'll not lie. But it is the OS that I like most (I have iPhone 4 and Droid too). Android is laggy, even with overclock, and it feels.. like a beta. Worse, Alfa version. Everything is smooth and pretty in WP7.
I was willing to wait for Nokia devices, but i read that Nokia will only release one phone this year. And seriously, I don't trust Nokia. I don't want to buy Nokia's test phone, and I don't want to wait until next year.
Just buy it already, and join us

mikeeam said:
I bought mine two weeks ago. It is not perfect, i'll not lie. But it is the OS that I like most (I have iPhone 4 and Droid too). Android is laggy, even with overclock, and it feels.. like a beta. Worse, Alfa version. Everything is smooth and pretty in WP7.
I was willing to wait for Nokia devices, but i read that Nokia will only release one phone this year. And seriously, I don't trust Nokia. I don't want to buy Nokia's test phone, and I don't want to wait until next year.
Just buy it already, and join us
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For 3 iterations, I've always said android feels incomplete. Even on the tablet side, android feels very incomplete and I guess this has made OEMs feel like they can do what they will to cover android's shortcomings - specifically in their management of OS, fragmentation, and acceleration.
The iphone felt finished to me - even if I didn't like the iphone platform at all. Everything just worked and ran quite effectively. It was cohesive and central when it was released.
What I enjoy about windows phone is that it carries the cohesion of apple, and totally ramps it up full blast making it an incredible platform to code on, experience, and use on a daily basis.
I do miss flashing custom roms for one reason - I HAVE A DELL VENUE PRO and so far its one of the most closed wp7 devices on the market! Period! But even then, the only thing I want is root access to the registry. Not so much optimize much because the os is damn good as is.
Are there limits to windows phone 7? Sure all platforms have limits. But I think in time windows phone will definitely be a household name. All it really needs is good advertising at this point.

My biggest issue with WP7 right now is not the missing featurs, but rather the lack of quality hardware. That having been said, the Samsung Focus is very nice. It takes amazing pictures. The screen is big and beautiful. It is sleek, and has long battery life. My only complaint is how slick the plastic is. Would have been nice to have a more rubbery texture to it or something.

Like every OS WP7 has its cons and pro's but to me it's just the experience as a whole that stands out to the rest. I'd certainly recommend a WP7 device to everyone who wants to buy a smartphone. Certainly the one's who owned an Android device before like myself.

I'm happy with my Trophy. I love the hardware. Have a nice grip, and an awesome screen. Not too large, nor too small. It's just the perfect size to me.
The plastic doesn't feel cheap, and doesnt look cheap. I recommend. And it is worth a look.

Thanks for feedback ... I use the following apps remote desktop, facebook,Twitter,slingplayer,navigation and need a good quality camera .... I'm looking at the apps market to see if I can find any apps like this..... I was disappointed to see no flash for browser....
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LG Quantum == great hardware
I love my LG Quantum.
I need a keyboard for business emails. I sometimes write mails on it longer than I do at my desktop computer. Try that on the on-screen keyboard.
But, if I just have a few words, the on-screen is fine. And the word-correct is amazing on WP7.
Friends at work have Samsung Focus and love it. Most people DON'T need over 8GB of flash, because with ZunePass, one can stream what one doesn't have, and then just download what they want to keep.
WP7 really is GREAT STUFF, and getting better with time.
Enjoy Windows Phone 7!
-e

intrancer said:
Hello with the the new updates is the phone now worth considering ?
Currently I am using a desire HD
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk
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this is a really silly question, ppl who like android will tell you no and ppl who like wp7 will ask you to move....
this is really very personal... its like you asking ppl what car should i buy
you should buy if you like wp7 not because ppl think u should buy...

best thing you can do is go play with different devices in the store and see which one you like better.
WP7= fast and smooth, works out of the box great.
Android= very versatile, but does have some lag and might require some tweaking to get the best out of the device.
Just depends on what you are looking for.

intrancer said:
Hello with the the new updates is the phone now worth considering ?
Currently I am using a desire HD
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk
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+1 on this. I read an article in another post and it has me holding off a WP7 purchase for now. 5-reinstal limit on paid apps! Hell no! It aint worth it if that's how it's gonna be. At least being a smartphone it will have all the common features on phones these days, but the 5-limit will kill it for me.

Dam a limit ... well well..... that's no to wp7 .. thanks for letting me know about that
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truffle1234 said:
this is a really silly question, ppl who like android will tell you no and ppl who like wp7 will ask you to move....
this is really very personal... its like you asking ppl what car should i buy, thats total bull ****...
you should buy if you like wp7 not because ppl think u should buy...
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I don't think its a silly question... so far people that have had both have given me pros and cons those who have moved to wp7 have shared what they miss .... I am asking for owners experience of the phone... not if they like the color of the device...
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FriedWP7 said:
+1 on this. I read an article in another post and it has me holding off a WP7 purchase for now. 5-reinstal limit on paid apps! Hell no! It aint worth it if that's how it's gonna be. At least being a smartphone it will have all the common features on phones these days, but the 5-limit will kill it for me.
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To be clear - there is NO 5-reinstall limit.
The limit is 5 devices.
Why can't people get this simple facts right?

digime said:
To be clear - there is NO 5-reinstall limit.
The limit is 5 devices.
Why can't people get this simple facts right?
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Don't look at me dude. The article was official and from a microsoft answer guy. Don't hate on ppl who believe what it says. Did you read the word in that screenshot? ****! I'm a big time gamer and **** things up all the time. I might have to reinstal my games a bunch of times. Pay once dude. No more.

FriedWP7 said:
Don't look at me dude. The article was official and from a microsoft answer guy. Don't hate on ppl who believe what it says. Did you read the word in that screenshot? ****! I'm a big time gamer and **** things up all the time. I might have to reinstal my games a bunch of times. Pay once dude. No more.
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What are you talking about?
I'm not hating on you. I'm telling you dumbass tech sites have once again failed to check their facts. You can reinstall as many times as you like.

digime said:
What are you talking about?
I'm not hating on you. I'm telling you dumbass tech sites have once again failed to check their facts. You can reinstall as many times as you like.
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No offense dude but until I see oficial word from microsoft that it aint true, I'm gonna hold back.

Well for me - yes and no.
If you don't care so much about features than WP7 is in many ways great.
But for me after 3 months of extensive usage - I start to have enough of stupid limitations. In March we will get only c&p and no other functionality enhancements.
I like how this WP7 behaves but it's totally unfinished product.
I rather accept a little choppiness but have all the features than use super fluent skeleton.
BTW this WP7 super fluent behaviour is a little myth. I see little freezes all the time.
More I think of it I see myself getting Android device soon. I don't care if it is "choppy", what is kinda BS TBH. I saw many current strong Androids which are smooth.
And they have oh so much more to offer right now. Sad but true.
I can't even buy apps and nobody knows WHEN this will be possible. And so on.
It will take a year or more to bring WP7 to desired state and I think some of the very useful features will not be supported ever.
Sorry for the rant but after the joy of using something nice has worn off, I just more and more miss features which are cruical for me and it's more than one thing.
I imagine getting SE Arc....
But I still didn't "give up". WP7 is still a great foundation.

intrancer said:
Hello with the the new updates is the phone now worth considering ?
Currently I am using a desire HD
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk
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If you've been using Android especially with Sense I don't see how you could ever switch to WP7. I have an HTC Incredible and I bought an HTC Surround to play around with a week ago. The Surround has already been sold. After using Android for years WP7 seems like a joke right now. It is almost closer to a feature phone than a smartphone. I was going to keep it just to use as a Zune and for the Xbox Live features. My original Zune 30GB is 5 times the music player a WP7 phone is. The Xbox live stuff...I'm playing a game, let me switch to something else for a second...Go back to the game, wait loading? Oh yeah, no multitasking.
Maybe if you were coming from a feature phone WP7 might seem nice, but it is far behind Blackberry, Android, and iOS. Even my Samsung Blackjack with WM 6.1 was far more usable. It sucks because I am a Microsoft fanboy. I love my Xbox, my Zune, Windows 7, etc. But WP7 is pretty bad I thought.

Android Issues

I have never put much weight behind peoples comments about the Android fragmentation but the Nexus just frustrates me. I have owned everything from an Iphone, WP7 and Android phones and while all have their good and bad points I am starting to see many more bad for Android. I have moved from a GSII to the Nexus mainly because of the new OS and because my provider offered it to me for free on my plan. The three main apps I used on my GSII do not work with the Nexus. One doesnt even show up in the Market and if sideloaded just crashes the other two while they install from the Market they just crash constantly. The removal of features like facebook integration all just make me wonder what Google is thinking. This is just the OS not to mention other flaws with the phone like the volume being so low you have to install an app to hear it ring and the battery life being poor.
I know there will be a lot of people who say that I should root or mod or install this or that but it just proves my point. Apple and Wp7 just wor fork the most part and despite their limitations usually work well. The Lumia series of WP7 handsets get released in a few weeks in Australia and I think I will be going back to WP7 the three apps I use daily are now available for it, it has awesome facebook integration and it looks sexy too. Everything I need or want in a phone right now.
Sorry Google but you have lost me for the time being. I may be back but for the time being I think I will be happier elsewhere.

The Nexus-series devices are geared towards developers, hackers, and other enthusiasts who not only don't mind mucking about with adb but actually prefer it. Not wanting to "root or mod or install this or that" doesn't prove your point - it proves that you bought the wrong device.
The GSII is marketed towards normal consumers. Google stripped out Facebook sync on the Nexus device - that's because of a beef between Google and Facebook. Samsung (I believe) leaves it in on the GSII. Because they are less concerned about being "pure Android" and more concerned with selling a solid product that consumers will like to use.
It's not Android's fault that some developers haven't updated their apps to be compatible with the latest version of Android and the latest hardware specs. Contact the developers of those apps that you can't live without and see what it would take for them to make the app compatible. If they don't know there's a demand for it, they may not bother updating it.
If that's not good enough, I'm sorry. Maybe Android isn't the right fit for you. *shrug* It sure is for me.

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The Nexus-series devices are geared towards developers, hackers, and other enthusiasts who not only don't mind mucking about with adb but actually prefer it. Not wanting to "root or mod or install this or that" doesn't prove your point - it proves that you bought the wrong device.
The GSII is marketed towards normal consumers. Google stripped out Facebook sync on the Nexus device - that's because of a beef between Google and Facebook. Samsung (I believe) leaves it in on the GSII. Because they are less concerned about being "pure Android" and more concerned with selling a solid product that consumers will like to use.
It's not Android's fault that some developers haven't updated their apps to be compatible with the latest version of Android and the latest hardware specs. Contact the developers of those apps that you can't live without and see what it would take for them to make the app compatible. If they don't know there's a demand for it, they may not bother updating it.
If that's not good enough, I'm sorry. Maybe Android isn't the right fit for you. *shrug* It sure is for me.
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Very well put.
I have yet to run into one of my apps that doesn't work in ICS.
It really sounds like the OP bought the wrong phone for themselves. See if you can return it.

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The Nexus I got from my phone provider to be used as my primary phone. It wasnt sold as a developers device or for hacking. Its a consumer device sold to the consumer market. You may buy it for the sole purpose of modding or hacking it but that not what Google sells or markets it as.
Why do I have to have a pretty common feature removed because of a beef between two companies. This was googles descision (probably to boost their google+ service) and it only hurts the end user. Your right no other phones have had it removed.
And your last comment is exacty what I was saying. People who bought an app on an Iphone 3 can still use the app on a 4S and so far the same with WP7. Its a pain that every time an update comes out for Android that it may "break" an app I use.

I absolutely love my Galaxy Nexus. I just loaded on AOSP Kang Milestone 3 and it has literally every feature I had wanted since I bought the phone. I get great battery life, and the UI is so efficient. I wish there was a better camera, and I could go for a 3300mAh battery like the Droid Maxx, but it's still ****ing AMAZING the way it is.

bnathan said:
The removal of features like facebook integration all just make me wonder what Google is thinking. This is just the OS not to mention other flaws with the phone like the volume being so low you have to install an app to hear it ring and the battery life being poor.
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I wouldn't want any facebook integration on my device so cheers to Google for getting rid of them.

bnathan said:
And your last comment is exacty what I was saying. People who bought an app on an Iphone 3 can still use the app on a 4S and so far the same with WP7. Its a pain that every time an update comes out for Android that it may "break" an app I use.
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So, you think that when Apple releases updates for iOS that it doesn't break stuff? The only difference is that developers sometimes get a longer period with the SDK for the new OS to try and fix issues compared to Android, but you really are naive if you think iOS or WP7 won't have broken apps when a new version is released.

Never have I had an app not work after an update with IOS. If thats due to the SDK being out longer then Apple is doing something right that Android isnt. I am not saying that Android isnt without merrit or that it isnt good for everyone but you must adit to the flaws. Look at the number of posts about app compatibility.

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Never have I had an app not work after an update with IOS. If thats due to the SDK being out longer then Apple is doing something right that Android isnt. I am not saying that Android isnt without merrit or that it isnt good for everyone but you must adit to the flaws. Look at the number of posts about app compatibility.
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And who is to blame for app incompatibility? Is Google supposed to stop developing the operating system why every **** and Jane with an application updates their apps to work? It's not Google's fault that developers and companies don't update their applications. You are also looking at probably one of the biggest changes in the Android OS since it started with Honeycomb/ICS, so some things have to be completely re-written which takes time.
There may be flaws with the platform, but there are flaws with everthing. At least with Android, then end user can fix them if they want to, good luck doing that on BB, WP7, or iOS. Also, just because you haven't had an issue with iOS doesn't mean there aren't problems with apps. Then again, I guess it doesn't take much to get your phone to play a fart sound...

bnathan said:
The Nexus I got from my phone provider to be used as my primary phone. It wasnt sold as a developers device or for hacking. Its a consumer device sold to the consumer market. You may buy it for the sole purpose of modding or hacking it but that not what Google sells or markets it as
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Yes, and it is a very good consumer level device. What more can you ask for?
bnathan said:
Why do I have to have a pretty common feature removed because of a beef between two companies. This was googles descision (probably to boost their google+ service) and it only hurts the end user. Your right no other phones have had it removed.
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Welcome to the real world.
bnathan said:
And your last comment is exacty what I was saying. People who bought an app on an Iphone 3 can still use the app on a 4S and so far the same with WP7. Its a pain that every time an update comes out for Android that it may "break" an app I use.
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This has been covered multiple times.

bnathan said:
The Nexus I got from my phone provider to be used as my primary phone. It wasnt sold as a developers device or for hacking. Its a consumer device sold to the consumer market. You may buy it for the sole purpose of modding or hacking it but that not what Google sells or markets it as.
Why do I have to have a pretty common feature removed because of a beef between two companies. This was googles descision (probably to boost their google+ service) and it only hurts the end user. Your right no other phones have had it removed.
And your last comment is exacty what I was saying. People who bought an app on an Iphone 3 can still use the app on a 4S and so far the same with WP7. Its a pain that every time an update comes out for Android that it may "break" an app I use.
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1. The Nexus is a developer tool.
2.Why would Google not want to boost their own products such as Google+? I'm sure if I had a beef with a certain person or company I wouldn't support their product either. Would you?
3. You're right about the iPhone apps. As long as the developer updates to optimize performance with the new iOS. That's a lot of the problems with the apps I used on my Captivate vs. using on my GNex.

If I recall correctly, the reasons Google gave for dropping Facebook support were more about Google's fundamental philosophy regarding the open and free exchange of information. Google lets your bring your information to their service, and you can then take your information away and put it elsewhere. Google was fine with you sharing information from your Google account to your Facebook account. Facebook is more one way - you can bring your information and contacts in, but you can't take that information anywhere else. You could import your information from Google into Facebook, but Facebook will not allow you to export Facebook information to Google. This is the reason Google stopped supporting facebook sync.

its amazing how defensive people get when you give opinion or coment about fault with something they own.
Fact remains (no matter what the reason) Google removed the facebook feature which only hurts the end user. If Apple or anyone else did this you would be all up in arms saying how much better Android is for being so open. HAHA
No matter how you look at it there is compatiblity issues between versions of Android which there arent any (apparently) to IOS or WP7 users. Example... Plants Vs Zombies. I have owned it on al three platforms and on IOS or WP7 I have never had an issue with it working as it should. On my Android phones its breaks between versions. On my Incredible S the zombies would walk off the screen on centain versions. It doesnt run at all on my Galaxy Nexus.
I accept that the average XDA user can fix his or her own issues with ANdroid but the users here are a VERY VERY small percentage of users and for the average user Android isnt as user friendly or stable as the other two.

Since you chose the ignore the same thing on iOS, and also the fact wp7 hasnt seen a major version update.
Go back to those devices, bye

Erm... thanks for your opinion, we're all entitled to one. Stick with your iPhone or WP7 device then mate.
Morale of the story here is that providers will try to sell you what they 'think' you need without asking you.
They don't always listen when they do ask and they certainly don't get it right 100% of the time.
Xda Premium on GSM Galaxy Nexus

I agree with pretty much all the comments made here about android.
This is the biggest change android has made to its OS since its birth so certain 3rd party apps will be broken until the developer of the app pulls his finger out and makes it comaptible again. This isnt googles fault.
I dont agree with the statement of the nexus being a developer phone however.
If it was a developer phone and google wanted you to root it and flash custom roms it wouldnt break your warrenty would it.
I had a galaxy s before my galaxy nexus and i flashed literally hundreds of roms onto that phone and OC it and all the rest... Thats not because thats what samsung wanted me to do.
Google have reinvented android and tried to make it consumer friendly.
There isnt a label on the galaxy nexus for the average user that says dont buy this phone unless you plan on flashing custom kernels and roms onto it.
The galaxy nexus is an amazing phone and i personally plan on leaving it stock as long as i can because i really dont think theres too much that needs doing to it that warrants voiding my warranty and risking bricks etc.
Back to the point... Yes if you dont like the phone then dont cry about it, just sell it and buy a windows phone. Why come here complaining? What do you hope to gain?
Maybe you should have tested the phone and done some research before you upgraded.

The Facebook problem is entirely Facebook's fault.
Android provides an API to synchronize contacts. 3rd party apps can add metadata to those contacts (picture, phone number, email, status updates, etc...). These metadata are then available on your phone.
But Facebook thinks they own your data so instead of using the proper API, they do it in a way to prevent you from exporting that data. For example they don't want you to be able to have a list of your friend's emails or phone numbers through Facebook.
Remember the first time you used Facebook? There were options to find friends using a contact list (CSV, email provider, MSN, GMail contacts, etc...). This is exactly what Facebook wants to block from the competition and one of that platform is Android.
There's a reason the Facebook app on the market has 3.5 stars only. It's rarely updated, slow and full of bugs. And they don't seem to listen to users. All they do is copy others because they are paranoid about ending up like MySpace. Their latest copycat is "Facebook Messenger" which puts an icon right next to Google+ messenger with the name "Messenger" as well.
So instead of blaming Google who removed the "backdoor" Facebook used (adding fields to the contacts database directly and causing a mess if you removed the Facebook app then) write a complaint to Facebook. They'll happily ignore you because they don't care about what their users wants.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

bnathan said:
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Sorry Google but you have lost me for the time being. I may be back but for the time being I think I will be happier elsewhere.
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Bye. I guess we'll survive without you. Or did I miss your groundbreaking contribution to the community?!
Every second somewhere, someone changes their phone. I hope not that many think they need to share their decision here. Have fun with your new phone.

zolah said:
I dont agree with the statement of the nexus being a developer phone however.
If it was a developer phone and google wanted you to root it and flash custom roms it wouldnt break your warrenty would it.
I had a galaxy s before my galaxy nexus and i flashed literally hundreds of roms onto that phone and OC it and all the rest... Thats not because thats what samsung wanted me to do.
Google have reinvented android and tried to make it consumer friendly.
There isnt a label on the galaxy nexus for the average user that says dont buy this phone unless you plan on flashing custom kernels and roms onto it.
The galaxy nexus is an amazing phone and i personally plan on leaving it stock as long as i can because i really dont think theres too much that needs doing to it that warrants voiding my warranty and risking bricks etc.
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Google shouldn't be responsible for your screw ups regardless. If they did warranty hard bricks and other software errors, they'd be out of a lot of money. As you still see today, there are several people on here that brick their phone(or at least think they did) because they can't read ahead of time. Now why should Google be liable for that?
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

Jmurph3 said:
Google shouldn't be responsible for your screw ups regardless. If they did warranty hard bricks and other software errors, they'd be out of a lot of money. As you still see today, there are several people on here that brick their phone(or at least think they did) because they can't read ahead of time. Now why should Google be liable for that?
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
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Exactly.
They wont do it because thats not what the phone is for and they wont help you if you mess it up. It is NOT a development tool.
P.S... I have never screwed up a phone yet touch wood and ive flashed lots of my friends phones for them as well as my own...

One thing I have noticed about owning a Nexus....

This isnt a knock against the Nexus, but somewhat against ICS in general. There are more than a few apps that are unavailable to me to download that I purchased previous to getting the Nexus. Navigon navigation being one of them, is unavailable to get from play store. There are a few others, too, a motorcycle game I wanted to buy just now isn't available for my Nexus. This is I think one of the very few pros of owning an apple product. If the app worked on ios 4, it will work on ios 5, and if it doesnt, an update is issued soon there after.

stevessvt said:
This isnt a knock against the Nexus, but somewhat against ICS in general. There are more than a few apps that are unavailable to me to download that I purchased previous to getting the Nexus. Navigon navigation being one of them, is unavailable to get from play store. There are a few others, too, a motorcycle game I wanted to buy just now isn't available for my Nexus. This is I think one of the very few pros of owning an apple product. If the app worked on ios 4, it will work on ios 5, and if it doesnt, an update is issued soon there after.
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Blame the developer for not updating it then?
Alternatively, go to the web store and try to install it that way.

The app developers haven't updated their apps yet. If you think about it it's to be expected. How many phones are running ICS out there compared to gingerbread?

spencer88 said:
The app developers haven't updated their apps yet. If you think about it it's to be expected. How many phones are running ICS out there compared to gingerbread?
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Or those with 720p screens?

OK, I guess that is the more correct direction to point the finger, the app developers, but I think google should lien on the developers some to get the apps working correctly, especially the big $$ ones. I have side loaded the Navigon app and its all messed up on ICS.

stevessvt said:
OK, I guess that is the more correct direction to point the finger, the app developers, but I think google should lien on the developers some to get the apps working correctly, especially the big $$ ones. I have side loaded the Navigon app and its all messed up on ICS.
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Google can't force developers to keep their apps updated though. That said, the play store says it has ICS updates. It is more likely a resolution issue.

adrynalyne said:
Or those with 720p screens?
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I dont think the screen res is as big a deal at this point, there are several oddball size screens that apps look fine on. Droid X was one, 480X854, and everything was fine on it. Plus there are several 720P phones out there now.
Also on the Navigon app, its the voice that was messed up, studdering and repeating itself over and over.

stevessvt said:
I dont think the screen res is as big a deal at this point, there are several oddball size screens that apps look fine on. Droid X was one, 480X854, and everything was fine on it. Plus there are several 720P phones out there now.
Also on the Navigon app, its the voice that was messed up, studdering and repeating itself over and over.
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Do those 720p devices have support?
480x854 isn't an oddball resolution; a good chunk of Motorola handsets and some Sony as well use this resolution.
http://androidcheck.com/listing/resolution/480x854/

Well, again to go back to the Navigon app, reading on the play store it seems to work on the HTC Rezound ok,...

stevessvt said:
google should lien on the developers
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Like, take their houses and stuff?
Sorry, couldn't help it.

adrynalyne said:
Or those with 720p screens?
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This is true, I forgot to mention that.
It's easy for apple to make it easy because they've had the same screen size and resolution for over 2 years now, going on 3 if they don't change it up this summer.

I'm sorry, but blaming the developers is a far cry from the truth...
Lets face it, Google doesn't even prioritize developers... While iOS developers have access to preview versions of the next iOS, to start to debug in advance, that work on the latest available generation iDevice, google doesn't do that... So, while iOS developers had many months to debug and test and fix their apps (and at the same time, they did not have to buy a new phone), most developers need to wait until the first phone with the new Android O/S is released, and then it is like running against the time, as you need to grab a new phone, bla bla bla... And no, an emulator doesn't really help you with games and other apps that are high performance...
It is a shame that some big companies like E.A. seems to get no interest into the Galaxy Nexus (as the lack of good games like Real Racing 2, Peggle, PvsZ is astonishing for a multi million dollar company), but, as far as most developers are concerned, it is not fair to compare iOS and Android. One tries to give all the tools so the developers are ready for the launch, the other, meh... Gives close to nothing and all you earn is a big surprise with a new O/S where some things you were used to use doesn't work, and it is up to you to grab a new device, specifically when it was already launched and you have dozens of angry consumers telling that you suck...

I have a friend who is an Android developer and somehow has managed to keep device compatibility with each OS release without ever owning the device.
So interesting theory, but it is at least partially a BS copout. Especially in this thread, where ICS updates have been made to the program, and yet the GN has been out since November and has no support. That is of no fault from Google.
Also, developers that are not willing to spend money, to make money, suck anyway. I think Navigon can afford some Galaxy Nexus devices.

HinotoriBR said:
I'm sorry, but blaming the developers is a far cry from the truth...
Lets face it, Google doesn't even prioritize developers... While iOS developers have access to preview versions of the next iOS, to start to debug in advance, that work on the latest available generation iDevice, google doesn't do that... So, while iOS developers had many months to debug and test and fix their apps (and at the same time, they did not have to buy a new phone), most developers need to wait until the first phone with the new Android O/S is released, and then it is like running against the time, as you need to grab a new phone, bla bla bla... And no, an emulator doesn't really help you with games and other apps that are high performance...
It is a shame that some big companies like E.A. seems to get no interest into the Galaxy Nexus (as the lack of good games like Real Racing 2, Peggle, PvsZ is astonishing for a multi million dollar company), but, as far as most developers are concerned, it is not fair to compare iOS and Android. One tries to give all the tools so the developers are ready for the launch, the other, meh... Gives close to nothing and all you earn is a big surprise with a new O/S where some things you were used to use doesn't work, and it is up to you to grab a new device, specifically when it was already launched and you have dozens of angry consumers telling that you suck...
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adrynalyne said:
I have a friend who is an Android developer and somehow has managed to keep device compatibility with each OS release without ever owning the device.
So interesting theory, but it is at least partially a BS copout. Especially in this thread, where ICS updates have been made to the program, and yet the GN has been out since November and has no support.
Also, developers that are not willing to spend money, to make money, suck anyway. I think Navigon can afford some Galaxy Nexus devices.
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I can see both POVs for sure. I will always hate EA, they refuse to update their apps, REFUSE to, and WILL NOT respond to any email. I dont buy anything from EA on ANY console/device, that includes sports games. Anyways back on topic: If we were still within the first month or two of ICS launch then I would agree that we need to give the devs more time to work this out, but since we are not.. I say it is absolutely, at this point, the devs fault for not updating his/her app(s). I know there are some devs that are still currently struggling to get their apps updated and doing it without an ICS device, but personally I think its been enough time. Although better late than never. One app that comes to mind, and I mentioned this on another thread the other day, is WiFi Status! That was always a favorite app of mine, very simple, just if your WiFi is on but your not connected to a network it puts a symbol in your notif bar so you remember to turn it off.. How hard can it possibly be to update that!? That surely isn't Google's fault, its the devs.

Thinking about going for the Iphone this time

Hi,
I always had android phones (galaxy's, notes & nexuses) but it always seemed like the iOS ecosystem was better, software wise.
From the outside it seems that they are getting better apps, faster updates (even to big apps) and of course they have the iMessage that all of my friends from the US uses and is a huge part of why I want to swich. (I'm from europe).
What do you guys think? Should I jump ship once and see how it is?

If thats what you want

tal123 said:
Hi,
I always had android phones (galaxy's, notes & nexuses) but it always seemed like the iOS ecosystem was better, software wise.
From the outside it seems that they are getting better apps, faster updates (even to big apps) and of course they have the iMessage that all of my friends from the US uses and is a huge part of why I want to swich. (I'm from europe).
What do you guys think? Should I jump ship once and see how it is?
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I actually like many people used iPhones but here I am.
Do you really think on a board like XDA, in the Pixel XL forum you are going to get everybody telling you how great iPhone is?

AstroDigital said:
I actually like many people used iPhones but here I am.
Do you really think on a board like XDA, in the Pixel XL forum you are going to get everybody telling you how great iPhone is?
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Truly. This is an android enthusiast forum. If you want an iphone, go get one. Don't expect that recommendation from anyone here, though.

I think that there could be good points for both sides. it's no different then pixel vs any other flagship.

Yeah, no, it's very different. IOS vs Android, not Android vs Android. This being an android specific forum, you're not likely to find much in the way of love for the iphone 7 here.

I think it is always weird to have iOS vs android discussions in a specific phone's forum. That seems like a more general topic better discussed elsewhere.
This forum us for talking about this phone...
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Lack of a back button is reason alone to stay on Android!

I know and understand your frustrations with Android. I've been an avid android fan since the OG Droid came out. What a phone and I loved it. Pure simple and open Motorola did a great job with that phone. Fragmentation ruined that phone and most every android phone since. The thing I hated apple for was the reason andtroid was so frustrating. To this day I get sick of looking at my wifes Iphone, it looks almost exactly the same as the original Iphone, if she puts wallpaper or a photo on her phone its just covered up by the icons that apple stick there and thats annoying to me anyway. Customizing your Iphone without jailbreaking lol... even the name lets you know how they feel about messing with their phone. Let's see Android is rooting Apple is jailbreaking even in a simple adjective they let you know don't touch fall in line with everyone and like it! I really domn't like the concept of Apple sorry, it's my phone I paid for it I should be able to do whatever I want as long as I'm not intruding on the rights of others and I'm sorry I do't see how customizing my phone would bother anyone. What they did and still do have right is they control the quality of the products in their app store and Andropid has dropped the ball on that one since the beginning. looking back they were trying for numbers not quality to compete and it has cost them. The quality of apps on the iphone is better and in saying that Android is catching up. These are basically the same apps written for different platforms. Ive seen it with my wifes phone for years I get so many more force closings amnd associated other problems than she does and I can hear her frustrations when using my phone. Like I said Android has been getting better and it's a heck of alot easier writing programs for one platform and one manufacturer. This is Androids problem each manufacturer has made alterations to Android AKA skins along with constant updates its tough on developers. The whole reason for Nexus was to give the developers a heads up and a chance to work with a pure version of android. I always loved the Nexus program and found that I personally had much fewer problems than my friends that had HTC, Samsung LG etc..... These manufacturers were never held accountable for upgrading on a timely fashion and neither were the providers aka verizon AT&T etc... this is why we are in the mess we are. I think and hope google has finally said enough! They have designed and engineered a top of the line flagship, one that is not outdated before the first box arrives. This phone is one people should be proud of it's fast and smooth its as close to pure android as possible oh I know Verizon put a few apps on it but they can be removed and give mne a break that's no big deal. It's a top quality phone that can stand up to the Iphone. Believe me if you know anyone that has drank the KoolAide and my wife has it certainly isn't going to change their minds and expecting that is not realistic. Google has given the developers a phone and a platform to work with and lets see how much of a difference this makes. I for one am hoping it makes as big a difference as Google thinks it will. I think incorporating with VR and home is swinging for the fences and I hope it's a home run.
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tal123 said:
Hi,
I always had android phones (galaxy's, notes & nexuses) but it always seemed like the iOS ecosystem was better, software wise.
From the outside it seems that they are getting better apps, faster updates (even to big apps) and of course they have the iMessage that all of my friends from the US uses and is a huge part of why I want to swich. (I'm from europe).
What do you guys think? Should I jump ship once and see how it is?
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I used an iPhone a number of years ago, jail broke it used Cydia the whole nine yards, once I started using Android devices I have NEVER looked back. In my position I get to try out different phones and some of the people at my company use iPhones. I have taken them home for weekend test drives just to see if I'm missing anything and after a day or so I find myself putting the SIM back in my current android device. I can't speak for you or what may be most important to you but for me I would not go back to ios.

yeah apple do a good job with software/hardware integration, but then it's to be expected with a heavily locked down device, it's the same reason they get updates first they are simpler to make stuff for.
but for me I've just always found Android way more flexible and I would rather have that flexibility. end of the day it all comes down to personal choice.