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As a rule I am not an early adopter anymore, in large part thanks to experiences in the gaming tech area. In that area, it's never, EVER a good idea to buy anything at launch because early adopters get screwed, 100% of the time. By the time the platform has matured to a level where there is a nice library of games and the hardware bugs have been worked out, there's usually a price drop or addition of features--or both. Whatever else is true, adopting later is more satisfying than adopting sooner, because you get more and better quality stuff for a lower price.
When I went to go buy a new iPhone, I fell head over heels for WP7 on the Samsung Focus. The UI is brilliant and I don't give a **** what anybody says to the contrary, Super AMOLED makes Retina display look like ****. It's not even a contest, and whenever I've shown my Focus to someone, side by side, with their iPhone 4--they've agreed unilaterally that the Focus has a better screen.
But the fact is, Microsoft launched WP7 too soon. It's missing basic, OBVIOUS features that should have been there from the outset. Custom ringtones, copy & paste, multitasking, sending SMS videos--all I can say about those features is "****ing DUH." Of COURSE those are obvious and should have been there from the outset. Any moron realizes that, and the fact that Microsoft dropped the ball on them is just ridiculous. That we're now almost FIVE MONTHS past launch and are still waiting for what amounts to a MINOR update is simply pathetic, and as a consumer I am starting to feel a little ripped off. Microsoft should not have launched WP7 in 2010. They should have waited until they at least got the obvious, ground level features that every dumb-phone for the last half a decade has had standard, out of the box, to say nothing of what Smartphones have had since at least iPhone 3GS hit.
I've been an ardent supporter of WP7 from the outset. I love the UI--it's head and shoulders above the rest. I'm patient with the small marketplace because it's growing fast and I enjoy the excitement of seeing what new goodie comes out next.
But I'm losing patience with how Microsoft has been handling the updates, and the absurd length of their release cycles. If this idiotically named NoDo update, which evidently should have been called "NoGo" instead, doesn't hit in March--then I'm done with the platform and Microsoft can suck it.
You have 2 years to regret your decision unless you bought it unsubsidized.
That or you can learn to deal with the decisions you made as an adult.
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You have 2 years to regret your decision unless you bought it unsubsidized.
That or you can learn to deal with the decisions you made as an adult.
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Here is how adults deal with products that fail to deliver what they promised: They sell them to some idiot on eBay and buy something else.
Android and iPhone are both strong contenders (though I'd really rather not give Apple any money, facts are facts, and at least they finally got the basic OBVIOUS features).
It is odd how the OP says so much good for the phone. Reasons upon reasons why the phone was purchased and how great it was.
Then... because of no recent updates it must be a trash phone.
Get over it or buy a new phone. Stop complaining.
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Here is how adults deal with products that fail to deliver what they promised: They sell them to some idiot on eBay and buy something else.
Android and iPhone are both strong contenders (though I'd really rather not give Apple any money, facts are facts, and at least they finally got the basic OBVIOUS features).
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I give MS a year. That's what Android took, that's what the iPhone took and that's what I'll give WP7.
By October this year, we'll see what direction they're really going in with this OS. We'll know if they're about to blow up or burn out KIN style.
This NoDo update is so ridiculous and it took months to be released. Dont expect so much in this year.
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I give MS a year. That's what Android took, that's what the iPhone took and that's what I'll give WP7.
By October this year, we'll see what direction they're really going in with this OS. We'll know if they're about to blow up or burn out KIN style.
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My point is this: I'm starting to see that what I apply in the games world, I should apply to all areas of technology: Never, EVER be an early adopter, because early adopters get the **** end of the stick, 100% of the time.
Waiting a year is all well and good, and that's what I should have done--waited a year. I'd have had better hardware (not that there's anything wrong with the Focus--it's great hardware, but by the end of the year we'll see dual, if not quad-core phones) running a superior version of WP7.
Buying in early was a foolish mistake on my part.
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This NoDo update is so ridiculous and it took months to be released. Dont expect so much in this year.
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By the end of this year, I'll buy a new phone as I do every year. So I'll evaluate based on the info from MS, not silly rumors, whether to keep the phone.
Success isn't measured in months for other OSes so why this one?
I feel where you are coming from. Its a bit frustrating when they release a new phone system into a highly competitive, quick paced mobile race, and seem to (from a consumers point of view) barely be working on it. Or putting few resources into it.
The UI and general experience is absolutely amazing. And you see so much potential with the OS, and know if they were to go full speed ahead it would not only compete, but overtake a large portion of market share. But they need to act quicker. Android is enormous and moving quickly, and the iPhone/iPad already has a huge portion of the consumer market locked into Apples ecosystem. You can't take your time adding necessary features. A great looking interface, and some great games only go so far. The phone needs to function, and function well. There are many missing 'standard' features right now, and those need to be addressed.
They do need to do things quicker, and we'll see how things go over the next 6-9 months, but if they want this to succeed, they need to start showing it. And be a little more proactive and transparent. The early adopters / fans are important for any new system to grow by recommending it to friends/family ect, so making everybody angry with the lack of basic features, slow/non existent updates, and lack of official announcements ect will only hurt their chances.
However, I am still a optimist. I see the OS for what it is, and can be. I see apps that are higher quality than anything on any other platform already, and the real kicker for me was the Nokia announcement. I think Nokia's upper end releases of wp7 will be huge, as will their services like ovi maps & navigation ect. Nokia makes great quality hardware, and if this is going to be their # 1 focus, then they will have some really nice handsets, which will also force the other manufacturers to compete within the platform like on Android. I think developers and others who make necessary platform apps also saw this as a sign to take wp7 more seriously.
But it is frustrating. I anxiously await the first update, and just hope that there will be some incremental updates as well before mango.
I feel the same way, I love my Surround but I am already looking at purchasing a new device. I plan on keeping my surround so I can see what the updates look like as WP7 matures. But I want something with more features to play with, and WM is dead and I refuse to buy anything from apple EVER. So Android it is...
And I purposely bought my Surround unsubsidized because I wanted to keep my upgrade available if I didn't like the device or WP7.
If I work one weekend of OT I can afford an unsubsidized phone
I definitely see where your coming from but to me it seems like they pulled an apple. Iphone took forever to have simple features like you mentioned. Its all about having the consumer hooked enough so they buy the next "upgraded" device.
Damn shame really....thats why I've loved android since it came out if the feature wasn't part of the phone, you can bet there was an app that added the feature.
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Here is how adults deal with products that fail to deliver what they promised: They sell them to some idiot on eBay and buy something else.
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You could do that with products that are failures - but you won't get much of your money back unless it's something somebody else wants.
The best outcome is if you simply bought something that didn't fit you (apparently without doing enough research), so you can make quite a bit on it if you find someone it will fit.
Of course, the latter approach would require some research, which seems to be the problem in the first place.
lekki said:
By the end of this year, I'll buy a new phone as I do every year. So I'll evaluate based on the info from MS, not silly rumors, whether to keep the phone.
Success isn't measured in months for other OSes so why this one?
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Sure it is. When iPhone came out we *****ed within months and then for 2 years before they finally got C&P
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I definitely see where your coming from but to me it seems like they pulled an apple. Iphone took forever to have simple features like you mentioned. Its all about having the consumer hooked enough so they buy the next "upgraded" device.
Damn shame really....thats why I've loved android since it came out if the feature wasn't part of the phone, you can bet there was an app that added the feature.
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You're exactly right--they DID pull an Apple. The problem with that strategy is that Apple did it 4 years ago--Microsoft doesn't have 4 years to play catch up. If WP7 doesn't make a major splash in year 1, you can stick a fork in it.
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I feel the same way, I love my Surround but I am already looking at purchasing a new device. I plan on keeping my surround so I can see what the updates look like as WP7 matures. But I want something with more features to play with, and WM is dead and I refuse to buy anything from apple EVER. So Android it is...
And I purposely bought my Surround unsubsidized because I wanted to keep my upgrade available if I didn't like the device or WP7.
If I work one weekend of OT I can afford an unsubsidized phone
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Maybe I should just buy an iPad 2 to get my app, C&P and multitasking fix
jasongw said:
My point is this: I'm starting to see that what I apply in the games world, I should apply to all areas of technology: Never, EVER be an early adopter, because early adopters get the **** end of the stick, 100% of the time.
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I don't see it that way. I'm an early adopter because I want some time to get to know the device, explore it's features and such before the masses get their hands on it.
I also enjoy Alpha and Beta testing products of interest to me because in the past when I've done this, I've seen improvements made to the product that started with bugs I've reported.
I guess it just depends on what you want out of the experience. I like to be part of the community that shapes new technology - not someone suckling at some kind of techno-teat all "Me! Me! Me! Boo-hoo where's my update? I'm taking my toys and going home."
If, in any part of your life, you're getting "the **** end of the stick, 100% of the time" then you're doing something wrong. Once you figure out what that is, things will go better.
Heck, most of the software I run is alpha or beta - if it's not I feel like it's old!
Beta OS are just that, despite what the uber microites believe, the King in this case MS, definitely has no clothes and very little in the way of useful apps, live with it. My HD7 is in the best place for it just now, its box.
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Maybe I should just buy an iPad 2 to get my app, C&P and multitasking fix
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Your app? Which one?
And yes, we can't deny that iPad 2 is sexy.
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If WP7 doesn't make a major splash in year 1, you can stick a fork in it.
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Based on what exactly? Anyone who has watched the history of MS has seen them slowly constrict their competitors with relentless product improvement.
We saw it with mobile OS's when WinMo slowly eroded Palm to the point that Palm Inc. started putting WinMo on their own devices - who would have guessed that in 1999 when Pocket PC was just a year old?
MS has stormed into the gaming console world in a short amount of time.
Phones/mobile devices are a cool space because so many companies have changed the space in short spans of time. Palm, Handspring, MS, Apple, RIM, Google - they've all had earth-shaking moments that changed the entire industry in the past 20 years.
For those willing to try it, WM7 at least has the design to appeal to the massive segment of the mobile market who's buying a device to support what they want to do instead of what the device can be made to do.
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And yes, we can't deny that iPad 2 is sexy.
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I can deny it.
Come on, where's all the doubters that claimed ms would not be able to pull off a mango update till next year some time huh???? Well looks like yall were wrong!!!
Go check the wheresmyphoneupdate website and you will notice mango is being DELIVERED to all carriers as we speak.
Congratulations Microsoft and thank you. Now please get busy on Tango and Apollo. ;-)
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I said this in a thread earlier, and one of them acted completely lost about it, I found it a bit funny.
That's what I thought, no where to be heard. Silent.
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Even I didn't expect Microsoft to handle it as well as they did. Everything was flawless.
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I'm one of them, and I'm right here enjoying my new operating system.
Just because I was cynical doesn't mean I'm upset about being proven wrong? I was calling for Q2 2012 (which I have mentioned in another thread btw), and I was definitely proven wrong. Which is fantastic.
But let's also be clear, I did the disconnect method. If not, I didn't think it'd come through naturally until at least November, maybe even end of December.
Next, I would like to ask all the people that said WP would fail like the Kin to post their "revised" thoughts....
And 1 year from now when Apollo is released, when WP finally has some respectable market share (thanks to Mango) I want to re-ask that same question....
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Even I didn't expect Microsoft to handle it as well as they did. Everything was flawless.
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I have to admit myself I was surprised how fast I got the update. I did no hacking at all to get RTM. I was on 7712 and yesterday around 1PM plugged my phone into Zune and BOOM, there it was!
But I never did think it would take them forever like it did with Nodo. I think they learned a lot from Nodo fiasco.
they're feeling too salty to post.
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But let's also be clear, I did the disconnect method. If not, I didn't think it'd come through naturally until at least November, maybe even end of December.
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Actually, all phones will have received the update halfway through October. This isn't like NoDo, not even close.
I just want to say thank you Microsoft.The rest is evident
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Thank you.
A nice thread to negate the crap happening everywhere esle in the forum.
Being a UK users, I do not get all the goodies, but there are ways around some.
morpheus1982 said:
Thank you.
A nice thread to negate the crap happening everywhere esle in the forum.
Being a UK users, I do not get all the goodies, but there are ways around some.
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I see what the OP's point is, but this definitely not a positive thread
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I see what the OP's point is, but this definitely not a positive thread
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I don't think you and others were the target of positivity - WP and Microsoft were
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I see what the OP's point is, but this definitely not a positive thread
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Well, it is essentially an off-handed compliment to Microsoft and WP7. In that sense, it's positive. Other than that, this thread does kind of make a point about human behavior. Naysayers almost always disappear when they are wrong.
Funny thing about this entire Mango (non)incident is that Microsoft implied that Mango may not be out until some time in 2012 at various points around its announcement.
I'm one of the people who didn't expect Mango until 2012.
This post doesn't really do anything. It was a win/win for me: either they prove me right by fumbling this update like NoDo or they prove me wrong by delivering a huge update to my phone.
I was wrong but I still win so there's nothing for me to be salty about.
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I'm one of the people who didn't expect Mango until 2012.
This post doesn't really do anything. It was a win/win for me: either they prove me right by fumbling this update like NoDo or they prove me wrong by delivering a huge update to my phone.
I was wrong but I still win so there's nothing for me to be salty about.
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Nothing personal but you bring up a good point.
In sports talk, they call this a fair-weather fan. When their team is winning, they run around waving a banner. When their team is losing, they speak in doom and gloom how the team will never do anything right. When their team starts winning again, everyone is so happy they forget about the behavior of the fair-weather fan. In essence, the fair-weather fan seems to be able to have his cake and eat it too. So, it's a win-win if you will.
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Nothing personal but you bring up a good point.
In sports talk, they call this a fair-weather fan. When their team is winning, they run around waving a banner. When their team is losing, they speak in doom and gloom how the team will never do anything right. When their team starts winning again, everyone is so happy they forget about the behavior of the fair-weather fan. In essence, the fair-weather fan seems to be able to have his cake and eat it too. So, it's a win-win if you will.
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I'm one of the people who didn't expect Mango until 2012.
This post doesn't really do anything. It was a win/win for me: either they prove me right by fumbling this update like NoDo or they prove me wrong by delivering a huge update to my phone.
I was wrong but I still win so there's nothing for me to be salty about.
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These two posts = the point I was trying to make on the first page.
I don't think most people cared or thought that. At least not the decently intelligent ones. Microsoft took a year to get Mango out the door. That was long enough to stop caring for a lot of people. The issue was never if they could do it before 2012, it was if they could do it before it started looking like they wanted to use it as an incentive to sell 2nd gen phones.
And they pretty much did just that by releasing such unfutureproof devices last year and taking so long to get the update out.
The update is good, but it's all bittersweet to me.
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Nothing personal but you bring up a good point.
In sports talk, they call this a fair-weather fan. When their team is winning, they run around waving a banner. When their team is losing, they speak in doom and gloom how the team will never do anything right. When their team starts winning again, everyone is so happy they forget about the behavior of the fair-weather fan. In essence, the fair-weather fan seems to be able to have his cake and eat it too. So, it's a win-win if you will.
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Yea, there are lots of fair-weather fans here in Philly, especially with the Phillies & Eagles.
I wouldn't consider myself one of those. I would consider myself a fan who voices his concerns & opinions, usually with four letter words. I'm still a fan of the winning team, but I can't not let you know that your defensive line sucks against the run, or that your lineup doesn't seem to have it's head in the game.
I actually would consider the people who beat the 2012 drum responsible for MS to move at the speed they did. Instead of being salty, we should actually be proud.
Just wondering if any of you sprint workers here can tell me some things about the tech positin. What to expect and what is usually done there. I got an interview tomorrow with them for a tech position, so i just wanted to find out the benefits of working for sprint. Any help will be greatly appreciated . Thank you.
Benefits of working at Sprint? That would be amazing customers like us here on XDA, what more could you hope for? lol
Good luck on your interview.
First off, #1 benefit is a $0 phone plan.
As far as the position goes, having experience rooting, flashing and just general understanding of Android will be the biggest thing. Followed by customer service (you can't be one of those closet nerds who can't talk to people) and lastly, third main task is handling inventory.
Honesty, most of the job is hard resetting Android phones since no one takes the time to understand their own phone. Also, learning the basics of Blackberries will help you a lot if you have no understanding of them going into it.
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First off, #1 benefit is a $0 phone plan.
As far as the position goes, having experience rooting, flashing and just general understanding of Android will be the biggest thing. Followed by customer service (you can't be one of those closet nerds who can't talk to people) and lastly, third main task is handling inventory.
Honesty, most of the job is hard resetting Android phones since no one takes the time to understand their own phone. Also, learning the basics of Blackberries will help you a lot if you have no understanding of them going into it.
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Totally agree with all of this. Plus, it helps to have a thick skin.
Good luck!
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So your going to work in a corporate store? or a 3rd party reatiler (often mistaken for retail stores), or deep in the bowls of sprint with fancy switches or tower sites?
Techie
I started as a tech in a preferred retailer, I am now the store manager. Some of the previous comments were on point, You will be dealing with mainly android phones, likely EVO 4G's. Knowing the in's and outs of an android device is the best route. Having a general understanding of Blackberries is helpful. The hardest devices are the iden/nextel devices. They are a pain in the ass to work on. Having solid customer service and the ability to understand and empathize with your customer is key. You will get alot of angry people who say something like, " I have been with sprint for so many years, and I have 4 lines and my bill is $200/month, give me what I want!" The inital response is to say, "You and 40 million others too" Point being is that you have to be thick skinned and not take it personal. The best advice I can give, is to BACK UP CONTACTS prior to doing any work on the phone. Android makes it easy, export them to the SD. Blackberry, run a backup on desktop manager, other devices, make a backup using the cellbrite. The goal of a repair center is to repair first, triage second, and exchange as a last resort. Learning how to actually open up a phone and replace parts and assess whats liquid damage and whats fixable just comes with experience and it isn't generally something you can learn about ahead of time. Please PM me is you have some specific quesitons, I've dealt with the good, the bad and the ugly in my location. It's a tough job, but can be really fun if your a geek. It's the ultimate geek job.
Best advice I can give is to learn how to not take crap from anyone. Customers will do anything and everything to get something for free. The customer is not always right.
Memorize anything you can about Sprint phones. Settings, hard reset buttons, tweaks, etc. The more you can do from memory without having to look it up, the better off you'll be.
Yes. And I cannot emphasize enough that you will be dealing with some of the angriest people you might ever encounter. Nothing equals the rage of some random corporate big head who might face a day without their mobile device. They are out for blood. No matter how courteous and understanding you could possibly be.
Make sure to have thick skin and learn the eccentricities of passive aggressive conversation.
Many inconsiderate, ignorant, and inept employees in your prospective position, have soured the public towards cellular employees.
A bad experience on the phone or at another location will mightily influence the attitudes of customers that you serve face to face. So you might spend 90% of your time fixing the wrongs of some idiot who doesn't care. (Usually from call centers, but other customer facing locations as well.)
It can be a very amazing position. Frequently gratifying by helping a less technically knowledgable person through the varying issues they encounter. But many bad apples are to be prepared for.
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Yes. And I cannot emphasize enough that you will be dealing with some of the angriest people you might ever encounter. Nothing equals the rage of some random corporate big head who might face a day without their mobile device. They are out for blood. No matter how courteous and understanding you could possibly be.
Make sure to have thick skin and learn the eccentricities of passive aggressive conversation.
Many inconsiderate, ignorant, and inept employees in your prospective position, have soured the public towards cellular employees.
A bad experience on the phone or at another location will mightily influence the attitudes of customers that you serve face to face. So you might spend 90% of your time fixing the wrongs of some idiot who doesn't care. (Usually from call centers, but other customer facing locations as well.)
It can be a very amazing position. Frequently gratifying by helping a less technically knowledgable person through the varying issues they encounter. But many bad apples are to be prepared for.
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Your going to scare him off! Good techs are hard to come by. While the above is correct, you may get yelled at for something that happened at another sprint store, but because your shirt says Sprint, you are the person getting it. Don't take it personal and do the best you can to help them. While I've dealt with plenty of upset people, I've also dealt with tons of people have thrive on the knowledge that I have of the android operating system, and really enjoy learning about something new. Other customers just want to learn the basics and be on their way. Find out the customers needs and address those needs.
I had an interview for sprint customer service rep today actually. Would have gotten the job but I didn't like the schedule. they gave me 2pm to 3am. Reapplying in a few months Because the job pays very good money and seems fun IMO.
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They should get paid good money, customer care reps get smashed on by sprint customers.
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I started as a tech in a preferred retailer, I am now the store manager. Some of the previous comments were on point, You will be dealing with mainly android phones, likely EVO 4G's. Knowing the in's and outs of an android device is the best route. Having a general understanding of Blackberries is helpful. The hardest devices are the iden/nextel devices. They are a pain in the ass to work on. Having solid customer service and the ability to understand and empathize with your customer is key. You will get alot of angry people who say something like, " I have been with sprint for so many years, and I have 4 lines and my bill is $200/month, give me what I want!" The inital response is to say, "You and 40 million others too" Point being is that you have to be thick skinned and not take it personal. The best advice I can give, is to BACK UP CONTACTS prior to doing any work on the phone. Android makes it easy, export them to the SD. Blackberry, run a backup on desktop manager, other devices, make a backup using the cellbrite. The goal of a repair center is to repair first, triage second, and exchange as a last resort. Learning how to actually open up a phone and replace parts and assess whats liquid damage and whats fixable just comes with experience and it isn't generally something you can learn about ahead of time. Please PM me is you have some specific quesitons, I've dealt with the good, the bad and the ugly in my location. It's a tough job, but can be really fun if your a geek. It's the ultimate geek job.
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Thank you so much man I really appreciate that I'll definitely pm . Thank you all for replying so fast. I'm really excited about his job because I've been working on the customer service jobs all my life. Right now I'm working at a dealership so I know what to expect from a few customers. And as far as android system goes
I'm really comfortable with it. I know how to root and flash and the basics so thats covered for me. Ya'll should of seen the faces of some of the employees there when i pulled out my E4GT with the ics rom it was pricesless lol. Wow the benefits sound really freaking awesome!! I think is a retail store. And is a tech position like helping people out with their phone probs. The only thing worrying me is blackbarry since I heavent had any of those phones. Good thing there is always room for learning . Ones again thank you all
Nextel blackberries are the worst, but whoever trains you will teach what you need to know. You won't get thrown to wolves upon hiring. There are alot of training courses. You won't deal to much with root, only when you see a rooted phone that won't activate. Good Luck let us know how it goes.
tomaro is my final in training, or my initial 90 days. in fact, my manager made me a new name tag without the in training
whoever mentioned knowing the basics of blackberry has it right. i know EVERYTHING about android, and an sufficient amount about iOS, but let me tell you, my first 20 tickets were all blackberries with problems like JVM errors and no gps lock...those being so hard i mainly just exchanged -_- then again, even with the easiest question "how do i turn wifi on" threw me off. its like i didt even know blackberies exsisted before i was hired at sprint. lmfao but thankfully one of my coworkers is a major RIM guy so hes since taught me the ropes
one more thing on the blackberry front...is it just me or do they taking FOREVER to boot??? it gets akward after the first 5 minutes and im shouting from behind the glass....half way there, imma fix it, dont worry! lol
however. whoever said you wont get thrown to the wolves is trippin, yo. they stripped me naked, powdered me with sea salt and threw me into the fire. i dont ****in know how to change an evo speaker!
bETTER FIGURE IT OUT QUICK, WE TOLD HER YOUD bE DONE IN 15 MINUTES (youtube the rescue)
i have since learned the ropes and have really proven myself. my manager is hiring me on for 2$ more than i asked for, plus commission on the NASCcalander, and awesome benefits. ive drastically brought up our overall csats, and my personal csat and ready now is always at 100%. my first months AE budget was blown out of the water, but the past two months have been well below what they expected.
all in in all id say you need to know how to work blackberry desktop manager, the hard key reset for the entire line up, and youd better pick up a soldering gun 'cas those evo charging ports dont last a lick.
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tomaro is my final in training, or my initial 90 days. in fact, my manager made me a new name tag without the in training
whoever mentioned knowing the basics of blackberry has it right. i know EVERYTHING about android, and an sufficient amount about iOS, but let me tell you, my first 20 tickets were all blackberries with problems like JVM errors and no gps lock...those being so hard i mainly just exchanged -_- then again, even with the easiest question "how do i turn wifi on" threw me off. its like i didt even know blackberies exsisted before i was hired at sprint. lmfao but thankfully one of my coworkers is a major RIM guy so hes since taught me the ropes
one more thing on the blackberry front...is it just me or do they taking FOREVER to boot??? it gets akward after the first 5 minutes and im shouting from behind the glass....half way there, imma fix it, dont worry! lol
however. whoever said you wont get thrown to the wolves is trippin, yo. they stripped me naked, powdered me with sea salt and threw me into the fire. i dont ****in know how to change an evo speaker!
bETTER FIGURE IT OUT QUICK, WE TOLD HER YOUD bE DONE IN 15 MINUTES (youtube the rescue)
i have since learned the ropes and have really proven myself. my manager is hiring me on for 2$ more than i asked for, plus commission on the NASCcalander, and awesome benefits. ive drastically brought up our overall csats, and my personal csat and ready now is always at 100%. my first months AE budget was blown out of the water, but the past two months have been well below what they expected.
all in in all id say you need to know how to work blackberry desktop manager, the hard key reset for the entire line up, and youd better pick up a soldering gun 'cas those evo charging ports dont last a lick.
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Yeah, I hate the blackberry start up time!
Okay, I need to learn how to fix charging ports, is that on YouTube or somewhere else I can learn.
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I wanna job at a sprint store
In all seriousness I really do
But I need a high school deploma or a GED
Man I still have to wait till June to graduate and I'm willing to bet I can troubleshoot phones better than most sprint employees that don't come here
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Yeah, I hate the blackberry start up time!
Okay, I need to learn how to fix charging ports, is that on YouTube or somewhere else I can learn.
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Every EVO port I see is so totally ****ed theres no chance of saving it.
If the anchor legs break off you can forget about trying to fix it.
Im not sure why anyone thinks the Nextels are hard to fix? 90% or the time its swapping a front flip assembly or doing a master reset on the sim card.
Been a tech for 2 years now, its not a bad job like he said if you can spot the bull**** and keep the tough skin mentality...tons of people with the "Customer service said...." and then having to explain the TRUTH, get alot of the people who said they were told by CARE to bring their phone that fell into the toilet into me and I would replace it on the spot....not so much, call Asurrion....alot of that and replacing EVO speakers lol....its not bad at all....
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Every EVO port I see is so totally ****ed theres no chance of saving it.
If the anchor legs break off you can forget about trying to fix it.
Im not sure why anyone thinks the Nextels are hard to fix? 90% or the time its swapping a front flip assembly or doing a master reset on the sim card.
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Yea it's crazy how bad people destroy EVO charging ports. And screens. People with EVOs seem to take no care with their device.
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Yea it's crazy how bad people destroy EVO charging ports. And screens. People with EVOs seem to take no care with their device.
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It's a crying shame for those poor Evos.
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For as long as most android users, most have been with android since the beginning. We now have gaming, interactive apps and all sorts of cooky apps. Some to most of which are priced.
Here's an article I found trying to find Indie PC games for android "I failed".
http://www.webpronews.com/android-users-dont-want-to-pay-for-anything-2012-07 it talks about android users don't pay for apps, mostly because of root/no trial-free version.
This struck me as interesting because honestly I'd figure devs to be happy to share there work with the world for free. I honestly myself believe devs who charge just want money.
I do unfortunately buy some of these terrible products, but do give props and respect to those who do manage to make a fantastic app.
If its priced at least make it a good app, give a trial or free version.
This is where gaming comes in, obviously we know if not most games are marked with prices with no free trials and are half assed.
So I can see where piracy comes in, no one wants to pay 5.99$ for a half assed game. I've bought some games I regret and I proudly say if they release another I will pirate it. Sometimes its better to stay free, if its a great app or a dev who has done previous great work I would support them.
Yes I do pirate and I don't. Its where I stand with the devs and apps.
I'm shocked we don't pay for ROMs honestly.. these devs are fantastic at what they do and yes its for free, so props to them "unless it would be illegal which I don't believe it is" :sly:
Anyway.. I'm curious what you guys think?
Feel the same, do you support every dev in the play store?
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This is not meant to be offensive, but I might rant a bit.
Devs sharing their work for free? Have you ever programmed, taken a programming course, or had to pay 80k for a bachelors in Computer Science? It is time consuming to think of a good idea, implement it well, and then squash bugs. It takes HOURS, days, if not months.
Yes, there are devs who charge for crappy apps and I agree, some devs are greedy. However, isn't paying for an app the same logic as paying for a pizza? Yes, you can make one yourself, but its not like you can make a quality pizza without spending a lot in ingredients or machines (ovens, etc)--you're paying for the convenience of it being done already for you.
This applies to apps as well. You may be able to program something similar given enough time, but you are paying for the convenience and their time for making the app for you to use. Just because it is digital and not tangible doesn't make it any less work.
Now I agree that there should be some sort of trial for an app to see whether or not its good or that you like it. Unfortunately, the world doesnt run on this type of honesty and nobody would pay if it were offered for free. Thats why devs have to charge and thats why some people pirate. However, if you do pirate, please throw the developer some money if you really enjoy their app or use it frequently, otherwise if they go broke, how will they keep developing your favorite app?
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You are right.
No argument* I want it to be a clean talk amongst android users.
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I don't see this thread going anywhere but down hill and fast
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Same goes for PC games. PC gamers can't rent games so they pirate. If you buy a PC game , guess what, you're stuck with it.
But, as for android apps at least we can get a refund which eleviates the need for a trial in some circumstances
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Piracy is a huge issue on Android, but like any thing you just have to put a little effort into making it more difficult to crack. Although a lot of people say that leaving it free with ads actually makes them more money then charging for it.
http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/26/how-free-apps-can-make-more-money-than-paid-apps/
edit: if you like indie games you should check out the humble bundle
OP, your logic is horrible. I do applaud your honesty, no matter how awful I believe it to be. Devs create content have a free will choice to make, and those who charge are well within their rights to do so. NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO STEAL, EVER. Now, having said that, some devs create content as their job. How can they buy food and pay rent if people steal their stuff. This thread is a failure, other than highlighting the challenge Google has in locking down Android to prevent piracy but still allow side loading and customizing.
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Didn't jellybean announce new device specific encryption for apps. Though I'm doubting it won't be cracked...
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Didn't jellybean announce new device specific encryption for apps. Though I'm doubting it won't be cracked...
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You're basically asking for a carpenter to build a house and give it away for free. Development costs time and money, and they have every right to ask back so that they can continue.
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I think everyone likes free stuff，this is normal
When i was new to android, i swore i would never pay for an app or game, and was happy that way. Then i got titanium backup and loved it, but hated that i couldn't batch restore, so i broke down and bought premium. Then i started frequenting these forums, seeing how much effort some of these devs out into their apps, games, etc. Now i pay for them, gladly, an i look for paid apps by respected devs first. Mostly i do it for functionality, but also to support. Titanium Backup, Franco kernel, CWM touch recovery, root explorer and many more I've bought and will gladly continue to do so. I get better apps and i support further development. Win/win in my book.
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Right, because 5.99 is such an exorbitant price... so many other things that I could do with that money that would have lasting value... wait. No, not really.
If you don't want to spend the money on the app then you don't really want it. Don't steal.
Because of this thinking and abuse Android is full of crap adware/push adware games, and you don't see most quality games released for Android. That is so sad.
I just have one question: do you work for free? Or do your poor employer have to shell out some bucks to have you working there? Yes, I wonder why those bastard devs charge for they hard work, or use those ad craps to try to get some money out of their hard work...
And also, you say, there is a lot of sh1tware, yes, there are, as there are a lot of sh1temployees.... You hire them, they do not do their work, they get fired... You buy sh1tware, you realize it is sh1t, then you won't ever buy anything from those bastards again... I really loved when you had an entire day to get a refund in Android Market, but them, a lot of smartass3s had to abuse it, and just use the game/app for the entire day and ask for a refund, doing that for several games/apps....
So, if Android market for games is like it is today, is just because most people think like you, either don't buy anything at all, they prefer to stick to a free ad game than paying 5-7-10 bucks for a quality game like Infinity Blade, or, worse, they just pirate it, and yes, installous and jailbreak exist for iOS, but this is not as easy as just ticking a box in settings menu and then downloading APK's from anywhere...
Don't get me wrong, I love the way Android is open, but, unfortunately, most people suck and doesn't know how to use freedom, instead, they abuse and try to get advantages out of it...
Unfortunately Google will probably end up walling their garden because of these issues, or at least surrounding it with thorn bushes
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I hate how articles act like piracy isn't an issue on other platforms....
A jailbroken iphone has tons of pirate app stores
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I hate how articles act like piracy isn't an issue on other platforms....
A jailbroken iphone has tons of pirate app stores
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Yup. Jail broke my brother's iPhone and the first thing he ask is, "OK load it up with apps for free."
I stared at him and made him learn it himself. He did, but still, $1 doesnt kill.
I just bought COD: BOZ, a $7 app. The closest I am to pirating is "Game Sharing".
Me and my friends put each other's Gmail account(requires a lot of trust Cuz we can tamper with each other's mail & stuff) on each other's phone and share our purchased apps. Done.
I do admit I pirate once in a while(Nova 3 being one, so laggy that it wasn't worth the price.)
But there is one punishment I love about Jailbreakers, if you pirate your apps, u can't put em back in when you unjailbreak to upgrade to the next iOS.
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Pretty much all the people I know who own an iPhone or iPod touch and have it jail broken mainly did it for installous...
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Pretty much all the people I know who own an iPhone or iPod touch and have it jail broken mainly did it for installous...
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i never thoght i would pay money for apps or anything. but later on as i used android, and looked at forums, i realized that devs really do alot of work. put urself in their shoes, and first thing i thought was "why the fk should i bother making this crap if all its gonna do is go to some ungrateful persons phone and im not even gonna get a thanks". so i regularly buy apps. not only does that make the android market that much closer to being as good and as diverse as the ios market, but u also get the LEGIT app without any risks of having some weird ass **** go wrong with ur phone in a very subtle way.....
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/09/18/cyanogenmod-forms-cyanogen-inc-with-7-million-in-funding-to-release-cm-installer-app-through-google-play/
I'm very interested that they have created a deal with a hardware vendor. If I'm not mistaken this is essentially what MIUI has done with Xiaomi in China. I hope it works for CM, they have done as much for Android as Google has in some regards.
I wonder if it's HTC? I'm always rooting for them, I can't believe they're doing so poorly. Says the guy with an LG phone but still.
Probably oppo or Sony. Both of them have helped with CM and contribute more source than legally required.
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I would have to tend to agree with the Readers over at Droid Life, this is NOT really good news when you consider what is more then likely going to happen when it comes to investors. Mainstream is gonna change CM, it has to for the average user.
I hope that AOKP is able to survive the fallout (so to speak) if the mainstream does bring drastic changes!
Hmm, I can see another OS for android coming on the scene now. With that in mind it could work out for the better, although that doesn't happen to often in these type of situations.
Just MO!
Open source has to financially sustain itself, look at Ubuntu attempting to get corporations involved.
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I would have to tend to agree with the Readers over at Droid Life, this is NOT really good news when you consider what is more then likely going to happen when it comes to investors. Mainstream is gonna change CM, it has to for the average user.
I hope that AOKP is able to survive the fallout (so to speak) if the mainstream does bring drastic changes!
Hmm, I can see another OS for android coming on the scene now. With that in mind it could work out for the better, although that doesn't happen to often in these type of situations.
Just MO!
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I think there are some pros and cons. Ultimately I think as long as they do what they have stated they will continue to do, which is keep the software open source and develop in accordance with the Apache Licensing guidelines then I imagine it will be ok for the most part. I'm personally very excited to see CM being the default ROM loaded onto point of sale devices.
If xboxfanj is right, and oppo or Sony is the hardware partner these could be great phones. Both hardware manufacturers have made some very high quality handsets in the last year or so and appear to be the manufacturers that are kind of flying under the radar at this point.
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I think there are some pros and cons. Ultimately I think as long as they do what they have stated they will continue to do, which is keep the software open source and develop in accordance with the Apache Licensing guidelines then I imagine it will be ok for the most part. I'm personally very excited to see CM being the default ROM loaded onto point of sale devices.
If xboxfanj is right, and oppo or Sony is the hardware partner these could be great phones. Both hardware manufacturers have made some very high quality handsets in the last year or so and appear to be the manufacturers that are kind of flying under the radar at this point.
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Sounds like CM isn't going to keep everything open, based on what xplodwild is saying. They wanted to license Focal differently and keep it partially proprietary while not giving him anything even though he made the app.
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Sounds like CM isn't going to keep everything open, based on what xplodwild is saying. They wanted to license Focal differently and keep it partially proprietary while not giving him anything even though he made the app.
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Steve Kondik and Koush have told a different story. I will find the article I read where kondik said in no uncertain terms they planned to keep everything open.
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All I can figure from this is that is gonna be hard for Cyanogenmod to win back the community that's supported them this entire time after alienating them like this. Ugly stuff going on behind the scenes in the community, I mean half the reason people on this site support Android as their mobile OS of choice in the first place is because of how open it is.
I look at Boxee as an example of what happens when a community supported open source project begins to make compromises for the sake of corporate partnerships. I think CM are killing themselves because their user base has no interest in a watered down ROM.
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Steve Kondik and Koush have told a different story. I will find the article I read where kondik said in no uncertain terms they planned to keep everything open.
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https://plus.google.com/106978520009932034644/posts/L8FJkrcahPs
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https://plus.google.com/106978520009932034644/posts/L8FJkrcahPs
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Have read this. I prefer to give then the benefit of the doubt before assuming that they have embraced evil and will do nothing more than screw everyone that they ever looked at.
Kondik has made several statements to the effect that they have no plans to close anything off. At the end of the day we will see. Until then, CM had given a LOT to the Android community and I think they have earned at least a little trust. Innocent until proven guilty after all.
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Have read this. I prefer to give then the benefit of the doubt before assuming that they have embraced evil and will do nothing more than screw everyone that they ever looked at.
Kondik has made several statements to the effect that they have no plans to close anything off. At the end of the day we will see. Until then, CM had given a LOT to the Android community and I think they have earned at least a little trust. Innocent until proven guilty after all.
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Xplodwild's post certainly makes sense and he was pretty loyal to CM. He made this project to spearhead Project Nemesis. I understand that CM needs to be able to make money, but I definitely don't want that to be at the cost of user freedom and the dual-licensing seems pretty sketchy. Steve's response as grabs popcorn certainly doesn't alleviate the fears of CM taking the money and running as it were and doesn't reject Guillame's post at all. It all but confirms it. Plus, it certainly doesn't seem fair that only Steve, Ricardo, Koush, and other full-time employees are the only ones being rewarded here. Obviously, you can't pay everyone that fixes spelling mistakes in the code, but Guillame and Andrew Neal (dev of Apollo) or Nebkat (dev of Trebuchet) have made apps in their free times for nothing, which they thought was contributing to a free project, but to have others make money off of their work seems like insanity to me.
Its time to start changing from cm ... If it wasn't for all the devs out their they wouldn't b in the position they are in to profit and claim that hey once u help us we get to do what we want and if u don't like it take a hike ... I'm all for cm expanding into bigger and better but not at the exspense of the people who made them and got them to the status they have ....
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Its time to start changing from cm ... If it wasn't for all the devs out their they wouldn't b in the position they are in to profit and claim that hey once u help us we get to do what we want and if u don't like it take a hike ... I'm all for cm expanding into bigger and better but not at the exspense of the people who made them and got them to the status they have ....
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I figured the same thing. Guess we will need a new base to build with lol. Suggestions? I'm a complete Noob when it comes to developing but I understand how the file system and everything INSIDE the phone is set up (for the most part) and want to see about contributing back
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