[Q] Q: How safe is flashing kernels?? - HTC One V

Hey all,
I've come over from a DesireZ where I never had to flash the kernel itself, I simply use CWM to flash different Firmware Roms.. I flashed MIUI,CM9 and varients of ...
Now with the HTC One V, I've discovered that the CM9 Rom/Firmware requires a specific kernel (Titanium Kiss) to work, and considering that the version of TK is prefixed with CM9 Im also guessing that I cant use that kernel with other firmwares (like SuPrimo)...
Reading the CM9 Wiki page on fastboot (http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Fastboot) is the following true.
1. As my HTC OneV is S/OFF - engineering SPL & unlocked (via htc), ive discovered that I can use fastboot and flash kernel, cwm or all roms etc.. So if Im right I can totally goof up a kernel flash (ie wrong one) but it doesnt matter because i can always reflash the right one??
2. CWM (Recovery) doesnt use the same kernel as the ROM, it has it own right?
or more importantly, this all sounds like the phone is brick proof... im guessing its not, what should I be careful flashing...
thanks all and hope this is in the right area

I've just found this thread http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/archive/t-1505233.html on another forum and it states you cant brick a phone by flashing, boot, kernels or roms.. or even recoveries as its always possible to go back to "fastboot" or SPL ..
However replacing radios &/or SPLs can brick a phone..
Anyone disagree? if not then thread closed

asantaga said:
Hey all,
I've come over from a DesireZ where I never had to flash the kernel itself, I simply use CWM to flash different Firmware Roms.. I flashed MIUI,CM9 and varients of ...
Now with the HTC One V, I've discovered that the CM9 Rom/Firmware requires a specific kernel (Titanium Kiss) to work, and considering that the version of TK is prefixed with CM9 Im also guessing that I cant use that kernel with other firmwares (like SuPrimo)...
Reading the CM9 Wiki page on fastboot (http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Fastboot) is the following true.
1. As my HTC OneV is S/OFF - engineering SPL & unlocked (via htc), ive discovered that I can use fastboot and flash kernel, cwm or all roms etc.. So if Im right I can totally goof up a kernel flash (ie wrong one) but it doesnt matter because i can always reflash the right one??
2. CWM (Recovery) doesnt use the same kernel as the ROM, it has it own right?
or more importantly, this all sounds like the phone is brick proof... im guessing its not, what should I be careful flashing...
thanks all and hope this is in the right area
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No these kernels are specifically made for that specific ROMS, there is a high chance u will brick ur phone if u do
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don't screw up, cause kernels are like ur motherboard
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hum... that now confuses me, Reading the document at the cyanogenmod wiki, and the other forum, implies that with fastboot you can flash kernel,recovery & roms..
I think fastboot is like your BIOS, and yes v. dangerous to flash, but kernel+rom is just a linux kernel +related filesystems...you can screw it up because you can always use fastboot to flash the right kernel+rom
The documentation also says that you can delete the kernel + recovery to make it easier for kernel developers to develop kernels.. if this were the case then the phone would be bricked?
I do understand though that some kernels dont work with all roms, so yes kernel+rom are related also the doc is generic not specific to the htc one v..
comments?

cybervibin said:
No these kernels are specifically made for that specific ROMS, there is a high chance u will brick ur phone if u do
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don't screw up, cause kernels are like ur motherboard
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He means hard brick.
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?but If im right if your kernel & rom are toast, you can still reflash them, providing you can get to fastboot right?

asantaga said:
?but If im right if your kernel & rom are toast, you can still reflash them, providing you can get to fastboot right?
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yes

Thanks maxwen
Last question... Im assuming Fastboot is very low level.. (like BIOS). What tools would one use to flash the "fastboot".. As my phone is now running unlocked SOFF from HTC I dont think I ever need to tinker with the radio or SPL..
Im only asking so that I keep well clear of these tools.. or if I do i'll be extra extra extra extra extra careful.
thanks again

asantaga said:
Last question... Im assuming Fastboot is very low level.. (like BIOS). What tools would one use to flash the "fastboot".. As my phone is now running unlocked SOFF from HTC I dont think I ever need to tinker with the radio or SPL..
Im only asking so that I keep well clear of these tools.. or if I do i'll be extra extra extra extra extra careful.
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Dont use anything beside fastboot and adb then you are safe
And since only a handful of people have S-OFF on their One V right now you are
wrong here to ask about such things anyway

maxwen said:
Dont use anything beside fastboot and adb then you are safe
And since only a handful of people have S-OFF on their One V right now you are
wrong here to ask about such things anyway
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Thanks there!
mmm Im asssuming I have S-OFF.. I unlocked my phone using the standard HTC "unlock" process. When it now boots it says "This build is for development purposes etc etc etc", from what I understand this means its an "engineering firmware/fastboot" and impllicitly "S-OFF"..... .
I didnt do anything special, just followed the steps from htc..

go into the bootloader at the top it will either say S-ON or S-OFF and by the way i highly doubt your S-OFF just by rooting your phone....all of us get that message....

Lloir said:
go into the bootloader at the top it will either say S-ON or S-OFF and by the way i highly doubt your S-OFF just by rooting your phone....all of us get that message....
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your absolutely right.. it says
**** UNLOCKED ****
PRIMOU PVT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT-1.18.0000
eMMC-boot
Jul 2 2012,20:51:45
So im guessing I can only flash signed roms??

Doing some R&D, found this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29844067#post29844067 and specifically this.. paragraph which explains all
1) HTCdev.com's "Bootloader Unlock":
Basically this leaves the bootloader's (ie, Hboot 1.50 & 1.58) security flag on (S-On) but "unlocks the bootloader" (kinda like the phones Bios) so that you can manually flash everything except for Radios (Baseband) and Boot Logo's (Splash Screen). Kernels & roms can be flashed once a custom recovery is installed, but there are "extra" steps involved because the /boot partition (kernel/zImage) can only be set to write access from the Android OS or by initiating custom recovery from a pc's "Fastboot Command Prompt". There are workarounds, some work better than others. To flash Radio updates, you have to relock the bootloader and flash an OEM Full Stock Ruu (Rom Update Utility), kinda like Samsung's Sw Updater for the Transform. You also have to register your device with HTC and it "may void your warranty"

IF U HARD brick u ****ed man...ur phone won't boot....so just don't mess around with things u don't know about
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Cybervibin,
".so just don't mess around with things u don't know about", precisely why Im asking the questions
I totally understand that if I flash the wrong thing I can brick the phone , and trust me , its not my plan

asantaga said:
Cybervibin,
".so just don't mess around with things u don't know about", precisely why Im asking the questions
I totally understand that if I flash the wrong thing I can brick the phone , and trust me , its not my plan
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Soft brick.happens allot i almost soft brick.my phone ever.day
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Related

How to install radio plz help : l

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Get rom manger. Select install rom from sd card....then flash the radio....make sure its compatible so your next post doesnt start with "my phone wont boot plz help"
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Its not recommended to install radios with recovery. If you check the radio thread in the dev forum, it gives you step by step install instructions.
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But if i dont like it can i just restore back to normal
hTc G2
Running on senseginger 3.0
XxhTcG2uSERxX said:
But if i dont like it can i just restore back to normal
hTc G2
Running on senseginger 3.0
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What is wrong with your current radio? You said if you don't like it can you flash back wich tells me nothing is wrong. Don't flash a radio unless your current one is giving you an issue plain and simple
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But get really slow data speeds
hTc G2
Running on senseginger 3.0
if you have s-off and have sdk/adb you can fastboot flash Safest way to flash radios,
if not there are PCIMG radio that you can flash through bootloader, and yes if you dont like the outcome of it you flash your original radio back
How do u check if u have adb/sdk
hTc G2
Running on senseginger 3.0
did you install it on a computer thats something you have too look ,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865685
thts the adb guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=970809
The PCIMGs as well radio.imgs
radio.imgs are for fastboot flash
PCIMG are for bootloader flash
need engineering hboot to use radio .img files
use the PC10IMG.zip method to flash your radio via stock hboot, easier in my opinion. Just make sure u rooted with gfree and superCID is set to 11111111.
Read this if you need to check what your superCID is set to
In all honesty tho, while im all for people who want to learn how to tweak their own devices, if you dont know what adb/sdk is, or you dont know what HBOOT or gfree is, you shouldnt be messing with your radio. I foresee a brick
sephiroth1439 said:
need engineering hboot to use radio .img files
use the PC10IMG.zip method to flash your radio via stock hboot, easier in my opinion. Just make sure u rooted with gfree and superCID is set to 11111111.
Read this if you need to check what your superCID is set to
In all honesty tho, while im all for people who want to learn how to tweak their own devices, if you dont know what adb/sdk is, or you dont know what HBOOT or gfree is, you shouldnt be messing with your radio. I foresee a brick
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Lol if dont know what sdk/adb should be or have root, but gotta start somewhere,
and CID doesn't have to be at 11111 if jus unlucky few need it, as well its better recommended to have but not really a necessary thing, i dont have CID set, was able to flash PCIMG
XxhTcG2uSERxX said:
How do u check if u have adb/sdk
hTc G2
Running on senseginger 3.0
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Before flashing a radio I highly suggest you call you carrier first and see if its something they can't fix if the issue is data. Make sure you know what speeds your area is capable of as well. But as mentioned before this if you don't know what these key terms are don't mess with it untill you read up and are confident.
I know what I'm doing but I usually check with my provider first to make sure nothings up with the network. You know part of your cell phone bill includes "free support" right..use it
dont send me pm's crying about how i hurt your feelings in a thread
popokrew said:
Its not recommended to install radios with recovery. If you check the radio thread in the dev forum, it gives you step by step install instructions.
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Your right. I dont flash radios very often and forgot about that.
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*palm to face*
then
*search*.

help need to flash back to stock with root.

ok well I am from the xperia play section.
my friend has a HTC DESIRE gsm it is currently rooted and has recovery however it currently doesn't boot (could fix this by flashing rom via recovery. ) I need to get back to stock gb or froyo with root is preferred. RUU isn't working I think driver problem but I can't fix it as I am not near him I use team viewer but when he plugs his phone in he loses net.
so I also flashed the stock gb with root zip but itsaid installation aborted
I also flashed the gb sense rom with aroma installer on here but it bootloops
please help.
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forgot to mention he has a goldcard.
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Please post information from hboot, which recovery your friends uses and how he partitionend his SD card.
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MatDrOiD said:
Please post information from hboot, which recovery your friends uses and how he partitionend his SD card.
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i am unsure on the hboot although if you tell me the possible options i can probably remember. i think it is 0.93.0001
he is using clockworkmod recovery uh the latest version. 5.x
he has no sd card partitions other than the fat32 1.
the rom he was previously using was official GB > miui > oxygen > runnymede > failed to boot and now stuck in bootloop but cant flash back to stock.
can you even get it into fastboot? ive had this recently, i used fastboot flash and then all the required things. It was my radio that was causing the bootloop. so as soon as i flashed that it boooted fine.
Roscobigfoot said:
can you even get it into fastboot? ive had this recently, i used fastboot flash and then all the required things. It was my radio that was causing the bootloop. so as soon as i flashed that it boooted fine.
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i didnt even know their was a fastboot for htc desire i use a xperia play which has fastboot never knew htc desire did . where can i get the files i need to flash? i guess the fastboot is the same as the fastboot.exe for xperia play? please send me link i am complete noob to the way HTC work.
Memories (even if they are right) does not help at all.
So tell your friend the following:
He should turn off his Desire, then press and hold volume down plus power button until a white screen with the androids at the bottom appears (he should see HBOOT in capital letters, blue highlighted). Now he should tell EVERYTHING what's written there and you post EXACTLY that here.
After this done, advise him to press the power button. Now he should see FASTBOOT in capital letters, red highlighted. If that's so, ask him turn off his Desire. If that's not so, let him tell you what happened instead and you post that here.
sorry late reply the hboot is the .93 one I said above.
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Read my post again and then post complete information.
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Seriously dude go and follow what matdroid asked you. Im not sure how it goes on the xperia play section but here on the desire section we require users seeking help to post those hboot information. Why so? Because the Desire is special and needs precise instructions.
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stankyou said:
Seriously dude go and follow what matdroid asked you. Im not sure how it goes on the xperia play section but here on the desire section we require users seeking help to post those hboot information. Why so? Because the Desire is special and needs precise instructions.
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ok well as i CLEARLY STATED THIS ISNT MY PHONE MY FRIEND LIVES IN THE ISLE OF MAN AND I LIVE IN CORNWALL AND HE IS NOT VERY TECH SAVVY
i rarely speak to him and was in a rush i managed to get that hboot thats what you asked for.
he can get it in to fastboot but i dont even think he wants it on stock rom now lol. he found ics sense rom so i think he sticking to that.
ok seems he has changed his mind again
here is all the info and he can get in fastboot. RUU says no device detected or something.
bravo pvt4 ship s -off hboot -.93.1002 mi crop -051d touch pannel -synt0101 radio-5 .1715.23 aug 10 2010 1752 10
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also he still wants to be rooted or be rooted again after.
WOW. seriously no response. well its ok he fixed it now lol he finally did what i told him to. install the driver flash the RUU.

[Q] Is this phone bricked?

I received an Incredible 2,
*****RELOCKED*******
VIVO_W XB SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT -0.98.0000
Radio- 1.09.01.0312
eMMC-boot
Jul 18 2011
All that it does is get stuck at the HTC screen.
Things that I have tried.
New Ruus
PG32IMG
The phone is recognized in fastboot,
ADB does not recognize the phone.
I have been going through the forum, and websites for the last 4 hours.
Factory Reset reboots the phone and gives me a security warning.
Recovery does the same.
I also get the USB Not recognized error once the phone comes on. I have installed the HTC drivers, I have also installed HTC Sync and have removed it.
Am I stressing and overlooking something simple? Or, do I need to take this phone out back and lay it to rest.
Thank you in advance
Crush
I don't own this phone but how did this happen? I'm assuming your rooted and unlocked if you got s recovery and stuff. And if your recovery works.. just Mount your SD card and transfer a ROM from your PC and flash one.. make sure you flash the kernel too. That or run the ruu
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XxlemonxX said:
I don't own this phone but how did this happen? I'm assuming your rooted and unlocked if you got s recovery and stuff. And if your recovery works.. just Mount your SD card and transfer a ROM from your PC and flash one.. make sure you flash the kernel too. That or run the ruu
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Thank for replying xxLemonxx
I was given this phone because because it is stuck in the bootloop. Phones come with their own recovery, this isn't a custom recovery. I have tried to run ruus, the error I get is Main version is older. I have also downloaded official stock roms with no luck.
When I hit recovery, the phone reboots back to the bootloader, the recovery never comes up.
CrushRush said:
Thank for replying xxLemonxx
I was given this phone because because it is stuck in the bootloop. Phones come with their own recovery, this isn't a custom recovery. I have tried to run ruus, the error I get is Main version is older. I have also downloaded official stock roms with no luck.
When I hit recovery, the phone reboots back to the bootloader, the recovery never comes up.
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Ohh so someone messed it up and just gave it to you for free? Or for you to repair? Either way I don't follow the droid inc2 but maybe im sure its rooted if its in a boot loop so try going into fast boot and go into cmd prompt and try to install a recovery. Look up how to install a recovery through CmD Prompt on the Pc. On my phone can't explain all of it. And then just transfer over a ROM probably cm9 and follow the instructions
Unless you want to go back to stock? Not sure if you know about ROMs and kernels?
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XxlemonxX said:
Ohh so someone messed it up and just gave it to you for free? Or for you to repair? Either way I don't follow the droid inc2 but maybe im sure its rooted if its in a boot loop so try going into fast boot and go into cmd prompt and try to install a recovery. Look up how to install a recovery through CmD Prompt on the Pc. On my phone can't explain all of it. And then just transfer over a ROM probably cm9 and follow the instructions
Unless you want to go back to stock? Not sure if you know about ROMs and kernels?
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Thats exactly what happened, it was given to me to me in this condition, and if I can fix it I will get paid for doing so.
Yes, I am familiar with roms, and kernels, I currently use an Evo 4g with Swagged out Stock X 2.0.9.8
Ive also rooted and flash cm7 on plenty of phones, I even have cm7 on my HP Touchpad.
I can't for the life of me figure this out. It has me highly intrigued. I am known for stressing out and overlooking minor small steps, so I wanted get some input from the community.
I currently have fastboot open, I am not entirely familiar with the Incredible 2, but normal case S-on = none rooted from my experience.
it was devunlocked then relocked i believe, from the error message i believe you are not flashing the right ruu, you are trying to flash an older one, you need the newest one, it was released a few months ago if i recall correctly and it was no big update but thats the one you need, search for it and try it it should work. if you are s on you cant flash a older ruu than whats already on it
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CrushRush said:
Thats exactly what happened, it was given to me to me in this condition, and if I can fix it I will get paid for doing so.
Yes, I am familiar with roms, and kernels, I currently use an Evo 4g with Swagged out Stock X 2.0.9.8
Ive also rooted and flash cm7 on plenty of phones, I even have cm7 on my HP Touchpad.
I can't for the life of me figure this out. It has me highly intrigued. I am known for stressing out and overlooking minor small steps, so I wanted get some input from the community.
I currently have fastboot open, I am not entirely familiar with the Incredible 2, but normal case S-on = none rooted from my experience.
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Hboot 98 is compatible with revolutionary root method. I would start there, rooting and s-off with a stock rooted Rom...
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Your radio is .0312, so you won't be able to flash an RUU, they're all older. Can you recognize it in fastboot mode? Try unlocking again with HTCdev, then flashing a custom recovery and ROM.
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Macrodroid said:
Hboot 98 is compatible with revolutionary root method. I would start there, rooting and s-off with a stock rooted Rom...
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Hboot .98 isn't compatible with revolutionary, only .97 is, but that doesn't make a difference anyways because you can't run revolutionary if you can't boot the phone.
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prototype7 said:
Your radio is .0312, so you won't be able to flash an RUU, they're all older. Can you recognize it in fastboot mode? Try unlocking again with HTCdev, then flashing a custom recovery and ROM.
OMG..... As usual... I have been overlooking the obvious path to glory. Thank you. I think I can handle it form here.
That literally took me like 2 minutes.
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CrushRush said:
prototype7 said:
Your radio is .0312, so you won't be able to flash an RUU, they're all older. Can you recognize it in fastboot mode? Try unlocking again with HTCdev, then flashing a custom recovery and ROM.
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Are there any roms that you recommend that run smooth on the INC2?
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I would proceed with s-off because it's so much better than htcdev unlock.
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Any problem with root and using custom roms

Hi all
I am new to root and roms related part
So i want to know it from all of u ( u all experts) that is there any kind of problem (either related to brick or bad perfomance or damage or degradation to the internal ic) with rooting or using custom roms...???
If there any , plz point it out and help me
And is it possible to come back to my orignal stock with all the things as it is as it was before the root?
Thnx in advance , plz help
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Yes you cam go back to stock, and no i have never experienced bad things with rooting and running customs roms. But you have to read the tutorials first to learn about what you need to know and need to do ! Don't go messing about with little to no knowledge !
Read up on fastboot and the commands how to flash recoverys and boot.img files.
These are the steps to follow
Unlock the bootloader at htcdev site
Flash a custom recovery
Make a NANDROID BACKUP of the stock rom
Flash the boot.img from the new rom
Perform a FULL wipe in the recovery
Install the new rom
And safe the stock rom nandroid backup somewhere safe (pc, cloud storage)
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Thnx man...!!!
U helped me a lot with rooting , thnx again
One of my frnd said that he had solved a prob of bricked samsung phone with some kind of tiny device...dont know what...bt he was saying that he had done it
Is this possible for htc one x?
And finally one formal question..
Is there any prob if i get stuck and ask u for help?
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No its no problem ! And bricking the hox is almost impossible because we have S-ON devices .... Just check that the battery is full before you start
What is the meaning of S-ON device
I frequently came to know that u guys use S-ON & S-OFF device...what does that mean??
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S-off is a security parameter, if you have s-off you do not need to flash stuff with fastboot commands. Then you would be able to flash a complete rom including the kernel from the recovery. So no need for a pc !
But s-on is not so bad everyone thinks it is, because now bricking the phone is pretty much impossible
Wooooo...!!!
That means if i dont know exectly how to root ur htc one x then also there is no chance to brick ur device...am i right?
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Note that there is always a chance of getting it bricked ! But the chances are minimal to 0 if you follow the right path
Awsome bro...
Can u suggest the right way which u thinks the best for rooting and installing new rom and meanwhile keeping backup of stock rom for further use if needed to switch back to orignal one...??
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Well the main steps are in my first post of this thread ...
You need to learn about fastboot and the needed commands,here is more info
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1605720
And if you want to usr a all in one tool you can use this. But please read all info carefully and make sure you got it all prepared before you start. And charge the batt to full power to avoid issues.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1604439
Good
Thnx a lot...u helped me a lot...
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No problem ! Hope you do fine, if not we are here
Yup...
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Want to install ARHD ROM
Hello Mr. Hofs, I am new in XDA site also dont know anything about the installation process. i searched a lot but too much confused. i just want to install a Jelly Bean ARHD custom rom for my HOX. now i am using ICS 4.0.3 and Sense 4.0. still didnt get any update. my bootloader also unlocked. i purchased it second hand so its may be used custom rom. i dont know which custom rom used on my HOX. my HOX CID number is VODAP001. please suggest me how to install ARHD 18.1 version custom rom. please give me full solution of this in easy way. thanks.
Boot the phone and check under settings menu if it says something about the custom rom.
But you need to install HTC drivers and you need the fastboot files. You have to open a command prompt inside the folder on the pc and type there 1 command, and the phone has to be in the bootloader menu. You should see in the bootloader in red text "fastboot usb"
Fastboot getvar version-main
A number should come out and we need that

Htc noob basics rundown

Hi guys, so as it states im new to htc, ive only in the past 2 years been an android user and i owned sammy devices, so the change is a little overwhelming, s-off hboot, and other things that seem to be important to flashing are a mystery to me so any help would be awesome, and sorry if there was already a thread explaining all this
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LiLPurP said:
Hi guys, so as it states im new to htc, ive only in the past 2 years been an android user and i owned sammy devices, so the change is a little overwhelming, s-off hboot, and other things that seem to be important to flashing are a mystery to me so any help would be awesome, and sorry if there was already a thread explaining all this
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This should give u some pointers
If firewater does not work for your device go to the sunshine thread here
Should be all u need to unlock, root and s off and install custom recovery, then u can install roms etc.
Also any help requests belong in q&A section
shout me if u need help
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I have asked mods to move into Q&A mate
Lots of the basic terms explained well here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52484527
Don't feel too overwhelmed, every manufacturer has their own idiosyncrasies. There is always a learning curve if you switch or buy a new brand device. Just stick with it, be patient and read up.
Thanks, im getting a little confused but its geting clear for me, heres a question, when i press and hold my home button, a pie type menu comes up, but only has google in it, ive looked everywhere, and i cant find how to set up shortcuts for this, anyone have any clues?
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Thanks, im getting a little confused but its geting clear for me, heres a question, when i press and hold my home button, a pie type menu comes up, but only has google in it, ive looked everywhere, and i cant find how to set up shortcuts for this, anyone have any clues?
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That is google now. You cannot change it on sense roms to my knowledge. GPE you can used xposed and gravity box to create new "ring" shortcuts.
Thanks, ive actually been looking into the GPE ROM but not sure if i would need S-Off to use it, (S-Off is still kinda confusing) ive tried to use firewater but got a whelp error saying my device wouldnt work, and from my understanding, SunShine is the only thing that can give me S-Off, i will be doing this as soon as i have the 25 bucks to spend lol, id rather have it and not need it rather than need it and not have it
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You can flash gpe Rom. Just don't try ruu convert guide. Get soff while you can. You can do all sorts of stuff plus it lets you easily recover from most bricks.
Btw. Don't use toolkits. Learn adb and fastboot commands. They are easy and will make your life a lot easier.
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You can flash gpe Rom. Just don't try ruu convert guide. Get soff while you can. You can do all sorts of stuff plus it lets you easily recover from most bricks.
Btw. Don't use toolkits. Learn adb and fastboot commands. They are easy and will make your life a lot easier.
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I have small amounts of knowledge with adb, i unlocked using htcdev so adb was required, however not sure what you mean by toolkits, you mean like firewater or sunshine? And i will s off asap, but if i wait to long will i lose the privilege? And i haven't read about this ruu conveet guide, what is that if i may ask? And thanks for all the help guys
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I have small amounts of knowledge with adb, i unlocked using htcdev so adb was required, however not sure what you mean by toolkits, you mean like firewater or sunshine? And i will s off asap, but if i wait to long will i lose the privilege? And i haven't read about this ruu conveet guide, what is that if i may ask? And thanks for all the help guys
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No. Firewater and sunshine are tools for soff. Those are fine. Toolkits flash recoveries, unlock bootlader etc... It's good you did it the manual way. And yes HTC will patch soff method in next update. Ruu are restore files kinda like tar and Odin on your Samsung devices. You can only run one that is made for your device... Unless you have soff. You can truly convert your m8 into any m8 variant. No advantages over just flashing a Rom. But with soff you can upgrade and downgrade firmware and radios. You can remove tampered and red hboot text. You can manualy perform updates with no need to lock bootlader. It gives you full flexibility of the phone.
Once you have soff they can't ever take it away.
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No. Firewater and sunshine are tools for soff. Those are fine. Toolkits flash recoveries, unlock bootlader etc... It's good you did it the manual way. And yes HTC will patch soff method in next update. Ruu are restore files kinda like tar and Odin on your Samsung devices. You can only run one that is made for your device... Unless you have soff. You can truly convert your m8 into any m8 variant. No advantages over just flashing a Rom. But with soff you can upgrade and downgrade firmware and radios. You can remove tampered and red hboot text. You can manualy perform updates with no need to lock bootlader. It gives you full flexibility of the phone.
Once you have soff they can't ever take it away.
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Is there anyway i can block that update from htc? And i have downloaded the liquidsmooth rom 4.4.4 and gapps 4.4.4, now am i ok to flash this?
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Is there anyway i can block that update from htc? And i have downloaded the liquidsmooth rom 4.4.4 and gapps 4.4.4, now am i ok to flash this?
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As long as your running a Rom no update will be applied. Backup stock before flashing anything! So many people don't do this for some reason. You can flash it if you want. Aosp is still a little buggy on the m8. I would recommend gpe over aosp for now but it's up to you. There are some good sense roms too. I wouldn't flash any aosp without soff. Just in case. I've had aosp soft brick when I try to flash another Rom after it before.
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As long as your running a Rom no update will be applied. Backup stock before flashing anything! So many people don't do this for some reason. You can flash it if you want. Aosp is still a little buggy on the m8. I would recommend gpe over aosp for now but it's up to you. There are some good sense roms too. I wouldn't flash any aosp without soff. Just in case. I've had aosp soft brick when I try to flash another Rom after it before.
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Awesome thanks for the advice, guess that download wont be used for now, do you have any recommendations on roms? I have the att version if that makes a difference. And yea i made a backup in TWRP as soon as i unlocked the bootloader. I want to start slow and learn as i go, i will most likely pay the 25 for the sunshine app to s-off tomorrow, i got the phone about 3 days ago so i want it custom while i have the chance lol seems android is starting to be less open source every time i get a new phone
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No. Firewater and sunshine are tools for soff. Those are fine. Toolkits flash recoveries, unlock bootlader etc... It's good you did it the manual way. And yes HTC will patch soff method in next update. Ruu are restore files kinda like tar and Odin on your Samsung devices. You can only run one that is made for your device... Unless you have soff. You can truly convert your m8 into any m8 variant. No advantages over just flashing a Rom. But with soff you can upgrade and downgrade firmware and radios. You can remove tampered and red hboot text. You can manualy perform updates with no need to lock bootlader. It gives you full flexibility of the phone.
Once you have soff they can't ever take it away.
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If you paid for sunshine it will always work not like Firewater...even if it's patched or not
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If you paid for sunshine it will always work not like Firewater...even if it's patched or not
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Well i have tried firewater, and it said no amount of flashing, ruu, ect will make it work, so i assume that means SunShine is my only option. And has anyone used the Android Revolution HD ROM, ive been looking and it has awesome features
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Well i have tried firewater, and it said no amount of flashing, ruu, ect will make it work, so i assume that means SunShine is my only option. And has anyone used the Android Revolution HD ROM, ive been looking and it has awesome features
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ARHD is as close to stock as you can find. But this is a matter of preference. There are many ROMs to choose from and only after you test them, you can decide what suits you best.
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ARHD is as close to stock as you can find. But this is a matter of preference. There are many ROMs to choose from and only after you test them, you can decide what suits you best.
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Yea near stock is good for me as im used to touchwiz, so id like to learn the sense system before switching around, i just dont want to make a stupid move that could have been avoided with research, but im also a very impatient person lol ok well i guess ill be flashing that tomorrow after i run sunshine. I used App2Zip to backup apps on my gs4, will this work on my m8 aas well? I find titanium backup a bit flashy for me, i need a simple user apps backup and that app works perfect
*HTC One M8 AT&T,Android Version 4.4.2, Unlocked with htcdev.com, Rooted, TWRP installed, Stock ROM with Xposed Framework
*Galaxy S4 AT&T, Android Version 4.3, rooted with SafeRoot, Safestrap 3.71 installed, Stock ROM
Ok so i will be using the sunshine app today (around 12-1 o'clock) to S-Off my m8. Ive noticed talk off WWE, and ppl discusing changing their HBOOT, and im curious if this is important? After i S-Off my device i will be flashing ARHD ROM (later tonight) as this will be my first ROM flash on this phone, im extreamly nervous. Ive made a nandroid backuo in TWRP. I just want to make sure ive covered everything, nobody like a $600 brick and considering i owe my mother-in-law for this phone, id like all to go smooth as i dont want to die lol. So guys any more advice? And other than a nandroid backup, is there any other way to cover my butt just in case?
*HTC One M8 AT&T,Android Version 4.4.2, Unlocked with htcdev.com, Rooted, TWRP installed, Stock ROM with Xposed Framework
*Galaxy S4 AT&T, Android Version 4.3, rooted with SafeRoot, Safestrap 3.71 installed, Stock ROM
LiLPurP said:
Ive noticed talk off WWE, and ppl discusing changing their HBOOT, and im curious if this is important? After i S-Off my device i will be flashing ARHD ROM (later tonight)
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WWE = world wide English
Changing hboot is often not needed just to flash ROMs. However Android 4.4.3 (HTC software 2.22) based ROMs (ARHD 10.2 is one) happens to be an excepton; as you will need to flash what is known around here as the "firmware package" which includes hboot, radio, and other things. If you don't flash the firmware, you will likely get some serious bugs on 2.22 ROMs, including long boot times, as well as broken WiFi and Bluetooth.
You can find the process for flashing firmware below. I used this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/att-htc-one-m8/development/att-4-4-3-2-22-1540-3-debloated-sense-6-t2837365
And specifically in the ARHD thread here also (note that for the AT&T version, firmware 2.22.1540 is recommended as you might get NO SERVICE on the international firmware): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54408500&postcount=9592
Be very careful you understand the process, as flashing hboot or radio is one of the few ways to actually brick the phone.
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as this will be my first ROM flash on this phone, im extreamly nervous.
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Just flashing a ROM is actually not that risky (although flashing hboot or radio can be, as mentioned). Its actually pretty hard to brick this phone just flashing a ROM, as long as you make sure to only flash ROMs or other mods only meant for the M8 (GSM).
Just be sure not to flash anything meant for other devices (including the Verizon or Spring M8) as you can actually brick the phone this way if the partitioning is different, and you overwrite any critical partitions such as hboot, radio, or the partition table.
If you stick to the correct ROMs, usually the worst that can happen is a boot loop or failure to boot into the OS (phone stuck at boot screen). But if that happens, its usually not that hard to recover. There can be various reasons and different corresponding solutions. But usually reverting to nandroid, flashing a different ROM, or re-installing recovery (and flashing the ROM again) will fix you up.
Although, nervous is a good thing to be; as it will also mean you will be careful. Which is really half the battle.
Ok guys i have gained S-Off on my device, just a quick rundown, and correct me where needed
1. S-Off is not required for rom changing, but helps
2. I have 4.4.2, any rom that has a different version than this you must first flash the firmware package first, and this can only be done in fastbootusb (if step is skipped can expect lots of errors or bootloops)
3. WWE just means roms from america? (Doesnt seem correct)
4. Changing HBOOT is not required for changing roms, unless the rom calls for it
5. Other than the android version, there is a htc version on the phone as well?
This is kind of overwhelming so far, and im not the best at instruction manuals, im more of a visual learner. And it helps when things are explained in detail, for example, explaining that i need a firmware package helps, but why do i need it, the more i understand the better i can make my decisions. And thanks guys, this is huge help, ive always come to xda for help, this free community works better and quicker than anything ive tried
*HTC One M8 AT&T, Android Version 4.4.2, Unlocked with htcdev.com, Rooted, S-Off, TWRP installed, Stock ROM with Xposed Framework (Current Device)
*Galaxy S4 AT&T, Android Version 4.3, rooted with SafeRoot, Safestrap 3.71 installed, Stock ROM (Girlfriends Device)
Downloaded the unmodified 2.22.1540.3.zip firmware, this is the correct firmware for my AT&T M8 right?
And if im right ill:
1. adb and flash the firmware twice to be safe, then reboot the phone
2. adb flash TWRP recovery, then reflash supersu in TWRP to regain root access
3. Then flash the ARHD 10.1 ROM?
*HTC One M8 AT&T, Android Version 4.4.2, Unlocked with htcdev.com, Rooted, S-Off, TWRP installed, Stock ROM with Xposed Framework (Current Device)
*Galaxy S4 AT&T, Android Version 4.3, rooted with SafeRoot, Safestrap 3.71 installed, Stock ROM (Girlfriends Device)

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