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I and many many others on this forum and others are tired of waiting for HTC to release the HERO kernel source.
So i have created an online petition, to try to add some pressure on HTC to release it sooner, rather than later.
This is just one of many things we can do to add some pressure,
if you got ideas and suggestions to what we can do to add pressure, share it...!
The petition is located at:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/herokernel/
i really don't think it will make any difference...but good luck trying!
Please sign anyway, as it can't possibly hurt the cause.
Other ways to put pressure on HTC is to make a formal request for the kernel source @ http://www.htc.com via the "Support" pages, and/or tweet @HTC asking why the kernel source is not available.
Whatever you do, you need to make it clear that a response saying that it "will be available on the website shortly" is not acceptable, because we've been hearing that for weeks now.
The GSM Hero has been shipping for months now, and the kernel sources should've be available, by request, on day one!
Regards,
Dave
Just tweet this:
Retweet this! @HTC release the #HTC Hero kernel source! #gplviolation
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I've signed, forgot about the GPL....
signed and twittert too
signed and twittert
why not just contact the FSF via GPL-Violations.org themselves? they are the authority in enforcing GPL violations after all, and I would be interested in what they think about companies that take ages to release the source.
I would think that it is not actually gpl violation, since they(htc) would argue that the code does not exist in a usable form, so they(htc) have no compulsion to give it out.
(Can't distribute something that doesn't exist)
But i'm not lawyer
And as an aside, i've just been looking at skining the hero, and it seems like the rosie skin added a whole heap of extra stuff not in stock android, so i'm inclined to think that htc might actually just be taking a while to get it sorted
Branwen said:
since they(htc) would argue that the code does not exist in a usable form
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That in itself would be a breach of the GPL! If you ship a product containing GPL'd code, you must be able to supply the modified GPL'd code when the product ships.
And as an aside, i've just been looking at skining the hero, and it seems like the rosie skin added a whole heap of extra stuff not in stock android, so i'm inclined to think that htc might actually just be taking a while to get it sorted
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We are only talking about the GPL'd kernel source here. I would imagine that most of the HTC apps, including Sense UI (Rosie), are not open source, and therefore HTC is not required to divulge it.
Regards,
Dave
New device new petition. Quick question, have petitions accomplished anything in the pocket pc world? Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure HTC hasn't acted on any.
notrock said:
New device new petition. Quick question, have petitions accomplished anything in the pocket pc world? Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure HTC hasn't acted on any.
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A petition is a begging letter. You use them when you have no legal or moral authority.
I think in this case it makes light of soundly based legal and moral authority.
Sam
emailed support, hope it helps....
i just wished devs switch to galaxy instead of htc......... i hate htc anyways
I guess this has reached HTC fast enough, they have already tweeted asked for patience
http://digg.com/gadgets/HTC_Dragging_Feet_On_GPL_Source
I know that there was one earlier Digg, but it was not to an actual Slashdot story. This one is.
slimfady said:
I guess this has reached HTC fast enough, they have already tweeted asked for patience
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That'll be all the tweets they received on the subject. Asking for patience, when we've been patient for months is weak!
Regards,
Dave
http://twitter.com/htc/status/4928377685
that's the same answer given on the android 1.6/donut question on the hero.
http://twitter.com/htc/status/4815765882
I don't get why they can't say anything, trust me, if HTC would be saying the hero will be getting the new android rom it will only help them sell more phones
on the kernel sources, they are in violation of the GPL, period.
P.S.
For the people tweeting HTC, share the love and also tweet the EU version of HTC
http://twitter.com/htc_eu
As an open source advocate myself I am eager to see the kernal source released as quickly as possible by HTC. However I am concerned that the FSF putting them under pressure to do do so would be counter productive to the evolution of not only the Android platform but F/OSS itself.
I feel that perhaps it would be better to give HTC a gentle nudge in the right direction and ensure that they fully understand the legal obligation when using modified GPL'ed code on their devices.
namzuf9 said:
I feel that perhaps it would be better to give HTC a gentle nudge in the right direction and ensure that they fully understand the legal obligation when using modified GPL'ed code on their devices.
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That is essentially what we've been doing!
Regards,
Dave
signed and twittert too but no paypal donation
I'm really getting sick and tired of waiting for HTC to release the kernel source, it's simply not on that they can release the EVO's kernel about 2 days after it's released and the Desire is still as of yet without any source code released. Stock kernels =
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/desiresrc/
I vote for starting a petition.
HTC is obliged to release the kernel sourcecode in a timely fashion when formally request under the GNU public license.
I've e-mailed them a few times about it, they gave me the run-around by saying 'oh, we can help you with that. Check developer.htc.com!'
D'oh. I hate them playing dumb.
I'd be up for signing a petition. Get one started and we can do this properly. I want overclock etc on Sense roms plz!!!
Oh and it will help us to add trackpad unlock as trackpad wake is pointless without it!!!
why wouldn't google do something about it?
after all it's their OS rite?
Just keep e-mailing them, they're legally obliged to release it.
HTC is in serious violation of copyright law at the moment by distributing the software but refusing to release source code to the kernel. An indefinite 'they'll get around to it' doesn't make it legal.
Screw a petition.
Someone needs to take them to court. Or at least send a letter with loads of legal mumo jumbo reminding them of their obligations...
Any lawyers here with a bit of spare time...if there are I'm sure we will all give in a good word when we get to heaven for you (sorry) if you can help us.
As many users as possible should report HTC http://gpl-violations.org/faq/violation-faq.html
bradputt said:
why wouldn't google do something about it?
after all it's their OS rite?
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No it's not. in truth it's everybody's OS but it belongs most to Linus Thorvalds if it belongs to anyone at all
Juggalo_X said:
As many users as possible should report HTC http://gpl-violations.org/faq/violation-faq.html
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Best point of action.
The GPL v2 basically says that if you distribute a binary (i.e. the kernel) you must distribute with it the source code, or provide a written offer to produce the source code on request for at least three years. If you don't meet those requirements you have no right whatsoever to distribute the code, and it's blatant copyright infringement (Linux may be free of charge, but it's copyrighted code).
Someone write to them with that information and request it then
Also right here
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-violation.html
The more bad press and and the more GPL type calls they get from other organizations will force them to comply with the GPL or be sued so i say we all get on it. The more users who report the more HTC gets the pressure put on. This is getting rediculous. The Incredible and the Evo had the source out with in hours of the RUU release.
Maybe if someone could write a simple piece of text on here that we could "copy and paste" maybe that would help for the links to GPL violations?.
I am all up for putting a complaint in but i wouldnt have a clue how to word it correctly to get the desired (Excuse the pun) outcome.
Just a thought
I've e-mailed [email protected] and asked politely to make HTC release the code
Keep the mail adresses comming and we'll make sure that the problem gets acknowledged!
HTC's well aware of its legal obligation and frequently breaks the law anyway. Its EULA states:
Until the date that is three years after you acquired the Software, you
may obtain a copy of the source code corresponding to the binaries for
GPL-licensed file by sending a request to HTC customer service at www.
htc.com, and HTC will send you a link to such source code.
That's not actually satisfactory under the GPL (though most people would be happy with it in practice), but they don't actually do that. Requests are ignored or given a 'go to this site' response, where there's no code.
Users should be email HTC as well to put the pressure on.
They don't want to release source code because they don't want us to mess with the frequencies (most likely). That doesn't matter though, no matter how big you are, you still have to obey the licenses.
GPL says they have 60 days after public release of software.
So... wait until days 55-60 before pulling the torches.
They did the same thing for the nexus source.
JCopernicus said:
GPL says they have 60 days after public release of software.
So... wait until days 55-60 before pulling the torches.
They did the same thing for the nexus source.
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Are they not supposed to supply it uppon request even though.
HTC can give a generic response to a single user, but can they do the same to 1000s of users?
I think not. It's time to tell them what we think as a group.
We, the undersigned, are formally requesting that HTC consider extending end users the ability to turn on/off the platform security on their phones (S-OFF) preferably through a method that also permits full access to the phone's software partitions (For example: "APX/NvFlash" mode on the Tegra platform). This would be a further development on the current "Bootloader Unlock" being provided on the domain htcdev.com for certain devices. Such a feature, if granted would greatly ameliorate the esteem developers and non-developer users have for HTC for its relationship with its customers.
Collectively, we also wish to make it clear that we acknowledge the risks involved with such a feature and understand that HTC is not liable for any faults caused through software modifications carried out by the end user. HTC reserves the right to refuse warranty repair on this basis providing sufficient evidence of user-induced damage is present. We are requesting that if HTC are to respond positively to this feature request that they would also make it clear that within the terms of their limited warranty and with the statutory rights of the consumer undisturbed they will not invalidate the limited warranty for instances of faults clearly arising from manufacturing errors. We would also request that any such statement would be clear in its terms without resorting to ambiguous terminology such as "may".
We also wish to state that we are aware of HTC's carrier agreements which may make such a feature impossible to implement on customised devices sold by certain carriers. With this in mind, we wish to make it clear that we are requesting such privileges only for devices that are sold as "sim-free" or by carriers who do not actively oppose such features.
Sincerely,
The undersigned customers of HTC
View signatories here: http://goo.gl/9a1pzhttp://goo.gl/uSkOg
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Give your support here.
For those concerned about how this will work, once we reach a sufficient number of signatories I will send a secure copy of the signatory list (With the serial numbers de-obfuscated for authentication) to HTC.
Add the link to your signatures and spread it far and wide. The more of us there are, the louder we are.
This isn't only for the One X. It's for all owners of HTC devices running Android. Spread the link far and wide.
I'm pretty sure they already know that thousands, possibly millions, of people want s-off. They just don't care.
That's the point.
They know it and they can ignore it because no one attempts to contact them. If one person asks for S-OFF they'll reel off the usual generic nonsense about security. If a few thousand ask for S-OFF they'll have to give something a bit more substantial.
they have made their decision already. im letting someone buy mine next week when i have pics and a different phone. good luck with that though.
Have you locked out the spreadsheet?
SB13X said:
Have you locked out the spreadsheet?
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Yeah. For security concerns. There's a HTML page that updates every 5 minutes with selected fields from the spreadsheet. The link is actually:
http://goo.gl/9a1pz
I've changed the OP to reflect that.
Thanks just making sure it was still going Going to get my Desire and Desire HD owning brothers to register tomorrow and link back to here added to my signature
HTC will not give us S-OFF, they have customers as well, and those customers (telecoms) don't want their users to have too much freedom. This includes access to the radio partition, allowing users to unlock handsets freely. This topic is a waste of time.
Rekoil said:
HTC will not give us S-OFF, they have customers as well, and those customers (telecoms) don't want their users to have too much freedom. This includes access to the radio partition, allowing users to unlock handsets freely. This topic is a waste of time.
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People can already unlock their phones for a pittance (€5-10) online. Buying an unlock code is much easier for the average person to do and use than turning off their phone's platform security.
If you think this topic is a waste of time, I recommend you follow your advice and stop wasting your time and go do something else like complain.
I'd sign, but don't want to list my serial number as I don't want HTC to void my warranty.
Sentinel196 said:
I'd sign, but don't want to list my serial number as I don't want HTC to void my warranty.
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Why would they void your warranty for just making a feature request? Especially considering your serial number won't have been entered on htcdev.com
@ OP
Would you like your petition signed by number of people or number of devices?
Since there might be alot of people with multiple HTC devices and serials to spare, that might give a higher count.
People. But... that said, if you have more than one device just type in their serial numbers separated by a space or comma e.t.c.
At the end of the petition, i'll count the serial numbers and tally the number of devices and then send a list of names and the petition to HTC. If they ask for authentication of the signatures, i'll give them the list of serial numbers (Without any names attached).
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People. But... that said, if you have more than one device just type in their serial numbers separated by a space or comma e.t.c.
At the end of the petition, i'll count the serial numbers and tally the number of devices and then send a list of names and the petition to HTC. If they ask for authentication of the signatures, i'll give them the list of serial numbers (Without any names attached).
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Right, too late for that now, already signed with my One X. Got 4 more HTC devices tho, so your choice, I can pm you my name so you can delete me and I resign or I can add them to my GF, when she signs up.
Sent from my rooted HTC Quadcore Beast
Emmure said:
Right, too late for that now, already signed with my One X. Got 4 more HTC devices tho, so your choice, I can pm you my name so you can delete me and I resign or I can add them to my GF, when she signs up.
Sent from my rooted HTC Quadcore Beast
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Add them with your GF. Handiest solution.
I submitted and should of typed my full name, oh well I provided enough information. I saw someone accidently used their email address in the model textbox, haha. Thanks for creating this petition, I just posted on HTC's official Facebook wall regarding HTC One X s-off and emailed them on their website.
TS just wanted to be famous, he got no friends in real life
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Got my name down :beer:
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
That sucks that HTC still locking boot loaders & no s-off the!!! The only way to really make them listen is don't buy there devices!!! Or Motorola device just get a Nexus or a Samsung device!! Sammy does lock down there phones like the others bring your phones back & either get a G-Nex, Galaxy S3 or wait for the New Nexus coming out in like 6 months with Jellybean goodness!! :thumbup:
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using xda premium
Hi Guys,
I am fairly certain that many of you will have been as frustrated as I am about LeEco's response to our requests for the source code for our devices. Many of us have been met with we did not release the phone to the US market so please contact the 3rd Party seller. You and i know that this is an unacceptable stance and in breach of the GNU etc.
I think it's time for all frustrated owners to show LeEco what we think of their stance, and take a stance of our own as many of us have already started to do, and see if we can twist their arm a bit. The best way in my opinion is to hurt the company where it hurts most, and that's in the pocket and in the public eye. I therefore recommend that all users go to their face book account and leave a review of 1 star and explain why. Making sure you also mention our device in the comments section. This is bound to hurt and just over the last day i have seen their review score drop a few points. Now if everyone who signed the petition did this they would likely have a score near 1 out of 5. Which is roughly what I would give their service just now.
I have also been instructed by Lemall.US to email their opensource team a request to release the code which I have done and hope many will take time out to do the same.
Keep in mind we have been treated completely different to the buyers of the CN model who seem to get endless updates. While we get BS!
All of these reviews can be changed in the future if they release the source code and let us be free of their crappy, malware firmware.
Here are the links
https://www.facebook.com/LeMallUSA/
https://www.facebook.com/LeEcoIndia/
https://www.facebook.com/LeEcoGlobal/
email for opensource request
[email protected].*
Most recent reply suggests its working -
Denis our LeEco Global team has been contacted regarding this issue. We are investigating why the Le1 Pro x800 source codes were never released as part of the petition. We are pushing the LeEco Global Team to resolve this issue for you in a timely manner. The LeMall and LeEco US Teams were unaware of this issue until we received the reviews, but we will work to get this resolved for you. We hope you understand this device is not connected to our region and this is why our teams aren't able to resolve this for you immediately.We will keep in touch. -Matthew, LeMall US Team
Seems to be definitely working, now at 87 one star reviews and certainly LeMall US Team have taken notice, but we must keep the pressure up.
48 hours have now passed and 49 reviews by US X800 Users.
What can we achieve at this rate in the next 48 hours?.
This is awesome considering the Campaign is in its infancy and only went live on a few other sites last night so hopefully it will pick up exponentially over the next few days. Like the petition on change.org did.
We need to try and aim for at least another 63 reviews, so that we equal their 5 star reviews and they will hit the 2.5 rating, but obviously the more the better, so keep on spreading the word.
Still no further news from LeEco since this morning and not so much as an acknowledgement from le.opensource. But i am in communication with them in all channels and not giving up.
I honestly believe we are not far from cracking this.
I will keep everyone updated with any new developments as soon as I hear.
Awesome effort so far guys!
Respect!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/leeco-le1-pro/how-to/letv-le-1pro-1max-official-sourcex800-t3521272
good day. has anyone seen that now there are 4 differente source codes for x900 in leeco open source websites
http://opensource.le.com/
forget it and use this rom http://g3.letv.cn/244/27/89/scloud-...1S-5.9.020S.zip?b=123456&platid=5&splatid=500
Some more info would be nice Ab20000 instead of posting a rom which has a CN (wont work on the US version?) in the name...
Currently on slow internet so i cant give it a try. anyone else willing to?
Hey everyone,
There is so much work on windows mobile 10 from all the users of XDA, and all the people we don't know about... does anyone have any idea's as to the following, or new ideas, to get a few more years out of windows mobile or even the possibility to revive it?:
Possible petition ideas:
a) a petition from x number of people to make Project Astoria available to all phones/select phone builds in the current windows phone 10 so that we can use Android apps (at least get continued app updates for a while longer using android apk's)
b) a petition from x number of people to make windows 10 updates for set devices through a product key purchase... we pay $$-$$$ for windows 10, 8, 7 licences... why not get a key for wm10 and then wm11 when it comes out and so on? if microsoft supports all the current phones hardware and manufacture a few new models... maybe this way we could revive it?
c) a petition from x number of people to continue updates for x time frame so that we can at least get a bit more out of it, maybe enough time to get some app developers to launch a single update or two for applications we really want using another petition from us.
[edit] One other idea I have thought of is maybe microsoft could release the code for astoria and windows 10 mobile... maybe for open source?
would be nice if the incredible people out there wanting to keep this alive had the tools to do so... could we petition this or approach them another way? [/edit]
Maybe a combination of all ideas into a petition and see what they decide to do. I personally have little money but if we all pledged $30+ to an update, had 1000 people willing to do it, I think microsoft would consider $30000 as an incentive?
Microsoft dropped this because of only having a tiny % of the market and the costs involved on maintaining it, so is there a way we can increase the percentage of devices if we get this working?
As I said above, if we could buy product keys for our phones to enable continued support, and also if we used a petition or other method to encourage and get results from Microsoft, then we could probably get other app developers of our choosing to follow suit (like Whatsapp, Waze, Viber, etc).
A petition is the only thing I can think of right now that just needs names and details, but we may have a legal stand point with newer devices getting continued support based on how long the expected support is for other devices from microsoft (what is the newest windows phone released with wm10?), google, apple etc... all ideas welcome
Example: in Australia all devices are warranted for a year, if sold here or manufactured and sold here... and that year is extended and often because someone will argue it to a tribunal (part of the fair trading route to take up matters with a manufacturer or seller) and say something along the lines of "TV sets used to last 10-15 years, my $2000 TV broke after the 2nd year, and the manufacturer/shop wont replace it" usually I get replacements after the 1 year warranty and I hear about entire Cars etc getting replaced entirely... Maybe if hardware has to work for an expected time, does software (that cannot be changed) that comes with a device? what about 3rd party applications for that software?
Any lawyers in the US, UK, Australia or another country reading this?.. Could you get us a few years continued updates with a similar clause?
Any route that works may even lead to reviving Windows Mobile
I would love some serious feedback guys, but please, don't just comment "No, why would Microsoft bother" or "I see no reason to try and revive"
What I hope to see is ideas, us working together... let's see if we can do this, anyone who wants to try or contribute please just say "yes" if you have little time
[edit] By the way for people needing instagram, pandora/spotify, facebook etc, I have a list of applications and links to .appx's that run (not always without a crash) currently (24th June 2019) and cost nothing. [/edit]
I wouldn't mind this. Still use a Lumia 640. I guess were it to fail, there's always trying to put WoA on Android phones...
Hi OP
I read your post and this can be a fantastic idea, but i didnt see soo much interest from the guys here in WM10.
Im still with the doubt about Whatsapp working beyond 31-12-2019 and nobody answer anything about that in my post. So i think, if people dont get "moved" about the posibility of having phones without whatsapp since 1-1-2020.... i really think that people just doesnt care about this OS.