HTC can give a generic response to a single user, but can they do the same to 1000s of users?
I think not. It's time to tell them what we think as a group.
We, the undersigned, are formally requesting that HTC consider extending end users the ability to turn on/off the platform security on their phones (S-OFF) preferably through a method that also permits full access to the phone's software partitions (For example: "APX/NvFlash" mode on the Tegra platform). This would be a further development on the current "Bootloader Unlock" being provided on the domain htcdev.com for certain devices. Such a feature, if granted would greatly ameliorate the esteem developers and non-developer users have for HTC for its relationship with its customers.
Collectively, we also wish to make it clear that we acknowledge the risks involved with such a feature and understand that HTC is not liable for any faults caused through software modifications carried out by the end user. HTC reserves the right to refuse warranty repair on this basis providing sufficient evidence of user-induced damage is present. We are requesting that if HTC are to respond positively to this feature request that they would also make it clear that within the terms of their limited warranty and with the statutory rights of the consumer undisturbed they will not invalidate the limited warranty for instances of faults clearly arising from manufacturing errors. We would also request that any such statement would be clear in its terms without resorting to ambiguous terminology such as "may".
We also wish to state that we are aware of HTC's carrier agreements which may make such a feature impossible to implement on customised devices sold by certain carriers. With this in mind, we wish to make it clear that we are requesting such privileges only for devices that are sold as "sim-free" or by carriers who do not actively oppose such features.
Sincerely,
The undersigned customers of HTC
View signatories here: http://goo.gl/9a1pzhttp://goo.gl/uSkOg
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Give your support here.
For those concerned about how this will work, once we reach a sufficient number of signatories I will send a secure copy of the signatory list (With the serial numbers de-obfuscated for authentication) to HTC.
Add the link to your signatures and spread it far and wide. The more of us there are, the louder we are.
This isn't only for the One X. It's for all owners of HTC devices running Android. Spread the link far and wide.
I'm pretty sure they already know that thousands, possibly millions, of people want s-off. They just don't care.
That's the point.
They know it and they can ignore it because no one attempts to contact them. If one person asks for S-OFF they'll reel off the usual generic nonsense about security. If a few thousand ask for S-OFF they'll have to give something a bit more substantial.
they have made their decision already. im letting someone buy mine next week when i have pics and a different phone. good luck with that though.
Have you locked out the spreadsheet?
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Have you locked out the spreadsheet?
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Yeah. For security concerns. There's a HTML page that updates every 5 minutes with selected fields from the spreadsheet. The link is actually:
http://goo.gl/9a1pz
I've changed the OP to reflect that.
Thanks just making sure it was still going Going to get my Desire and Desire HD owning brothers to register tomorrow and link back to here added to my signature
HTC will not give us S-OFF, they have customers as well, and those customers (telecoms) don't want their users to have too much freedom. This includes access to the radio partition, allowing users to unlock handsets freely. This topic is a waste of time.
Rekoil said:
HTC will not give us S-OFF, they have customers as well, and those customers (telecoms) don't want their users to have too much freedom. This includes access to the radio partition, allowing users to unlock handsets freely. This topic is a waste of time.
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People can already unlock their phones for a pittance (€5-10) online. Buying an unlock code is much easier for the average person to do and use than turning off their phone's platform security.
If you think this topic is a waste of time, I recommend you follow your advice and stop wasting your time and go do something else like complain.
I'd sign, but don't want to list my serial number as I don't want HTC to void my warranty.
Sentinel196 said:
I'd sign, but don't want to list my serial number as I don't want HTC to void my warranty.
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Why would they void your warranty for just making a feature request? Especially considering your serial number won't have been entered on htcdev.com
@ OP
Would you like your petition signed by number of people or number of devices?
Since there might be alot of people with multiple HTC devices and serials to spare, that might give a higher count.
People. But... that said, if you have more than one device just type in their serial numbers separated by a space or comma e.t.c.
At the end of the petition, i'll count the serial numbers and tally the number of devices and then send a list of names and the petition to HTC. If they ask for authentication of the signatures, i'll give them the list of serial numbers (Without any names attached).
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People. But... that said, if you have more than one device just type in their serial numbers separated by a space or comma e.t.c.
At the end of the petition, i'll count the serial numbers and tally the number of devices and then send a list of names and the petition to HTC. If they ask for authentication of the signatures, i'll give them the list of serial numbers (Without any names attached).
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Right, too late for that now, already signed with my One X. Got 4 more HTC devices tho, so your choice, I can pm you my name so you can delete me and I resign or I can add them to my GF, when she signs up.
Sent from my rooted HTC Quadcore Beast
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Right, too late for that now, already signed with my One X. Got 4 more HTC devices tho, so your choice, I can pm you my name so you can delete me and I resign or I can add them to my GF, when she signs up.
Sent from my rooted HTC Quadcore Beast
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Add them with your GF. Handiest solution.
I submitted and should of typed my full name, oh well I provided enough information. I saw someone accidently used their email address in the model textbox, haha. Thanks for creating this petition, I just posted on HTC's official Facebook wall regarding HTC One X s-off and emailed them on their website.
TS just wanted to be famous, he got no friends in real life
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Got my name down :beer:
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That sucks that HTC still locking boot loaders & no s-off the!!! The only way to really make them listen is don't buy there devices!!! Or Motorola device just get a Nexus or a Samsung device!! Sammy does lock down there phones like the others bring your phones back & either get a G-Nex, Galaxy S3 or wait for the New Nexus coming out in like 6 months with Jellybean goodness!! :thumbup:
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I and many many others on this forum and others are tired of waiting for HTC to release the HERO kernel source.
So i have created an online petition, to try to add some pressure on HTC to release it sooner, rather than later.
This is just one of many things we can do to add some pressure,
if you got ideas and suggestions to what we can do to add pressure, share it...!
The petition is located at:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/herokernel/
i really don't think it will make any difference...but good luck trying!
Please sign anyway, as it can't possibly hurt the cause.
Other ways to put pressure on HTC is to make a formal request for the kernel source @ http://www.htc.com via the "Support" pages, and/or tweet @HTC asking why the kernel source is not available.
Whatever you do, you need to make it clear that a response saying that it "will be available on the website shortly" is not acceptable, because we've been hearing that for weeks now.
The GSM Hero has been shipping for months now, and the kernel sources should've be available, by request, on day one!
Regards,
Dave
Just tweet this:
Retweet this! @HTC release the #HTC Hero kernel source! #gplviolation
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I've signed, forgot about the GPL....
signed and twittert too
signed and twittert
why not just contact the FSF via GPL-Violations.org themselves? they are the authority in enforcing GPL violations after all, and I would be interested in what they think about companies that take ages to release the source.
I would think that it is not actually gpl violation, since they(htc) would argue that the code does not exist in a usable form, so they(htc) have no compulsion to give it out.
(Can't distribute something that doesn't exist)
But i'm not lawyer
And as an aside, i've just been looking at skining the hero, and it seems like the rosie skin added a whole heap of extra stuff not in stock android, so i'm inclined to think that htc might actually just be taking a while to get it sorted
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since they(htc) would argue that the code does not exist in a usable form
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That in itself would be a breach of the GPL! If you ship a product containing GPL'd code, you must be able to supply the modified GPL'd code when the product ships.
And as an aside, i've just been looking at skining the hero, and it seems like the rosie skin added a whole heap of extra stuff not in stock android, so i'm inclined to think that htc might actually just be taking a while to get it sorted
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We are only talking about the GPL'd kernel source here. I would imagine that most of the HTC apps, including Sense UI (Rosie), are not open source, and therefore HTC is not required to divulge it.
Regards,
Dave
New device new petition. Quick question, have petitions accomplished anything in the pocket pc world? Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure HTC hasn't acted on any.
notrock said:
New device new petition. Quick question, have petitions accomplished anything in the pocket pc world? Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure HTC hasn't acted on any.
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A petition is a begging letter. You use them when you have no legal or moral authority.
I think in this case it makes light of soundly based legal and moral authority.
Sam
emailed support, hope it helps....
i just wished devs switch to galaxy instead of htc......... i hate htc anyways
I guess this has reached HTC fast enough, they have already tweeted asked for patience
http://digg.com/gadgets/HTC_Dragging_Feet_On_GPL_Source
I know that there was one earlier Digg, but it was not to an actual Slashdot story. This one is.
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I guess this has reached HTC fast enough, they have already tweeted asked for patience
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That'll be all the tweets they received on the subject. Asking for patience, when we've been patient for months is weak!
Regards,
Dave
http://twitter.com/htc/status/4928377685
that's the same answer given on the android 1.6/donut question on the hero.
http://twitter.com/htc/status/4815765882
I don't get why they can't say anything, trust me, if HTC would be saying the hero will be getting the new android rom it will only help them sell more phones
on the kernel sources, they are in violation of the GPL, period.
P.S.
For the people tweeting HTC, share the love and also tweet the EU version of HTC
http://twitter.com/htc_eu
As an open source advocate myself I am eager to see the kernal source released as quickly as possible by HTC. However I am concerned that the FSF putting them under pressure to do do so would be counter productive to the evolution of not only the Android platform but F/OSS itself.
I feel that perhaps it would be better to give HTC a gentle nudge in the right direction and ensure that they fully understand the legal obligation when using modified GPL'ed code on their devices.
namzuf9 said:
I feel that perhaps it would be better to give HTC a gentle nudge in the right direction and ensure that they fully understand the legal obligation when using modified GPL'ed code on their devices.
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That is essentially what we've been doing!
Regards,
Dave
signed and twittert too but no paypal donation
Visit Groubal and sign the petition: http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
Retweet: http://twitter.com/#!/ibproud/status/52265679990169600
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/unlockmoto
UPDATE (14th June 2011):
We are now over the 10,000 mark.
I have now spoken with Motorola and gotten confirmation that Motorola plan to unlock every device that will get an update in the second half of this year. This will include maintenance & firmware updates, but is still subject to Carrier approval.
The promising sign is that Verizon has already allowed Motorola to unlock a device on their network, the Xoom, which utilizes the unlockable/re-lockable model that Motorola intends on using across their devices.
I'm still looking to work with Motorola in the coming months to help see if we can make this a smooth process for Motorola and the community.
You can read the article here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/06/14/an-u...witter&utm_campaign=Feed:+ausdroid+(Ausdroid)
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
UPDATE (26th April 2011):
We are now at ~8,700 mark.
Motorola has now responded to me, stating that they are looking at unlocking bootloaders across their devices late 2011.
The article for the story can be found here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/04/26/the-little-aussie-taking-on-motorola-u-s/#more-8184
We're still seeking clarity around whether this will be for current devices or only future devices.
I couldn't have gotten this far without the support of everyone here. You guys and girls have been a huge support and help me turn this snowball into a wrecking ball.
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
Previous Update (4th April 2011):
We are now at ~7600 mark.
We're starting to slow down from our initial boom, so I have now set up a Facebook page to see if we can wrangle in some supporters that don't use Twitter or XDA.
I will need your help getting this out there. So share the facebook page where you can.
I'm also looking to see if anyone is interested in helping me Moderate the page. Please PM if you are.
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Hi All,
I have created a Groubal (online petition) to get a response from Motorola on it's bootloader policy.
>>This petition started for the Atrix, but I made sure that it was for Motorola's overall Bootloader Policy. I have reached 200 signatures in 2 weeks, but now believe it's time to expand this out of the Atrix space and into the larger Motorola Dev community.
Just signed the petition.
It could be me but non of your links work
How could you sign the petiton dedraks?
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It could be me but non of your links work
How could you sign the petiton dedraks?
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Thanks for the heads up on that. I'll be more careful when copying and pasting links.
Let's try this:
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
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It could be me but non of your links work
How could you sign the petiton dedraks?
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Use this shor link: http://4by.in/4
Not that it'll make any difference but your petition is more likely to be taken seriously if comments like that of 'rich fraley' weren't included.
Signed, at length...
Step666 said:
Not that it'll make any difference but your petition is more likely to be taken seriously if comments like that of 'rich fraley' weren't included.
Signed, at length...
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Yeah, agreed. I tried seeing if I could at least censor the comment, but no dice.
Thanks for you're support guys. I've always been a big fan of the saying "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar".
Famous idea. You got the sign.
i have signed
Not to kill the cause... but the issue isnt really with motorola... Isnt it with the service providers who would rather have the bootloaders on the phones locked so they can sell us services we could install for free... ie Wi-fi Calling, Tethering..
I think Motorola's hands are tied.. their customers are the service providers.
Would it make more sense to harass t-mobile and the likes over this?
Signed as well.
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Not to kill the cause... but the issue isnt really with motorola... Isnt it with the service providers who would rather have the bootloaders on the phones locked so they can sell us services we could install for free... ie Wi-fi Calling, Tethering..
I think Motorola's hands are tied.. their customers are the service providers.
Would it make more sense to harass t-mobile and the likes over this?
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On all phones that have locked and encrypted bootloaders, I don't think there's been one that couldn't be rooted. Once rooted, you have access to all the Tethering and WiFi Calling apps out there. So it could be the case, but all unlocking the bootloader does is let you use custom kernels that form the base of alternative roms. So bloatware be damned, it can removed fairly quickly and without even touching the bootloader.
It would be more for warranty claims, that's why the padlock picture on the very first screen's the way to go. That way if a phone is damaged due to modification, the carrier/manufacturer can turn you away due to voided warranty.
signed the partition to
i am looking into the legal side of the locked bootloader to see if theirs any loop holes in locking a phone when the manufacture is part of the open handset alliance
but i think the fastest way of the bootloader being unencrypted is to put up a cash reward for the person that unlocks it.
maybe if we can raise £1000 it might spur someone on to go the extra mile
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Not to kill the cause... but the issue isnt really with motorola... Isnt it with the service providers who would rather have the bootloaders on the phones locked so they can sell us services we could install for free... ie Wi-fi Calling, Tethering..
I think Motorola's hands are tied.. their customers are the service providers.
Would it make more sense to harass t-mobile and the likes over this?
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So why is my unlocked/un-branded Defy that is in no way tied to any network also cursed with a locked bootloader?
And if the networks are demanding it, how come not every manufacturer is crippling their handsets in this way?
This is a decision Motorola have made, no-one else.
#UnlockMoto
Thanks :-D
You can also join the #UnlockMoto campain and spread the word on social media networks like Twitter as well as on modding forums and such.
Start by joining the #UnlockMoto Campain for Motorola Unlocked Bootloaders! here: http://twb.ly/UnlockMoto.
Then read: http://bit.ly/UnlockMotoPage
done, signed
signed!!!
Just signed.
adlx.xda said:
Thanks :-D
You can also join the #UnlockMoto campain and spread the word on social media networks like Twitter as well as on modding forums and such.
Start by joining the #UnlockMoto Campain for Motorola Unlocked Bootloaders! here: http://twb.ly/UnlockMoto.
Then read: http://bit.ly/UnlockMotoPage
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Thanks for posting dude, i've been sending out a tweet for the 2 causes.
Retweet:
http://twitter.com/#!/ibproud/status/50306686350655488
I'm kind of angry that HTC chooses to do this I mean after all we all purchased this phone therefor we should have the right to do as we please with it, correct?Sure its not really getting anything done on the rooting scene but the least we can do is tell them we're dissatisfied with their closed approach to Android.
http://twitter.com/htc
http://www.htc.com/www/about_htc_bymail.aspx
HTC Headquarters
23 Hsin Hua Rd., Taoyuan 330,
Taiwan, R. O. C.
Tel: +886-3-3753252
Fax: +886-3-3753251
I assume its due to new apps such as: netflix, hulu, move rentals and other apps that require a lockdown. I don't think HTC would like to see their hard work (HTC Sense) on other devices lowering the need for upgrades: example, the two Incredibles if you install sense 2.0 or skyraider 4.0 the need for Incredible 2 lowers quite a bit. I plan on jumping on Incredible 2 just because of its design. It is exactly what I wanted in the first Incredible. I'm all up more for unlocked HTC phones
I sent them an email and got the following response...
Thank you for your feedback regarding the Incredible 2. Unfortunately I do not have information about whether the bootloader is locked or how it can be customized to allow you to install a custom ROM. Because we focus on supporting the software included on the device and assisting users with free technical support we are only able to support the aspects of the device as they are developed by ourselves and your carrier, in this case Verizon.
That said, however, we do value your feedback. You will see an invitation to provide our company with recorded, documented feedback in the signature of my email to you. The ratings at the top are your opportunity to rate my response to you and then there is a comment section that allows you to make your opinions known to HTC itself, rather than to simply the representative who corresponds with you. I would encourage you to submit your opinion there as well, even if you just copy and paste most of your initial email to us.
We track this feedback and it does make a difference in our product decisions. If it turns out the bootloader is locked down with a secure key or other method, your feedback using the survey system may convince the powers that be to change this in a future update.
In regard to your inquiry regarding an API for the Sense interface, any application or widget targeted for Android should work in HTC Sense, so you should be able to use the Android APIs for your development purposes and this will also allow your application to work on phones that do not run HTC Sense, such as competitor phones or even some of our devices like the G2. That said, there are additional resources where you can get information about developing on HTC and Android devices:
http://www.htcmobilitynow.com/ This is a site that allows you to request to partner with us for application development or suggest a business opportunity, if you would like.
http://developer.htc.com/ This URL contains kernel and GPL-covered source code for our devices. Source is generally published within 90 days of a product release but it normally does not take that long.
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Pretty much just seems like a regular copy paste brush off response.
HTC has some very good reasons for locking devices down, and I don't blame them at all. Their setup is very nice for the average consumer.
I support OEMs locking their hardware in general, however I also support (and am active in) unlocking them. What they really need to do is find a workable solution, like enabling oem unlock.
tylerch said:
I'm kind of angry that HTC chooses to do this I mean after all we all purchased this phone therefor we should have the right to do as we please with it, correct?Sure its not really getting anything done on the rooting scene but the least we can do is tell them we're dissatisfied with their closed approach to Android.
http://twitter.com/htc
http://www.htc.com/www/about_htc_bymail.aspx
HTC Headquarters
23 Hsin Hua Rd., Taoyuan 330,
Taiwan, R. O. C.
Tel: +886-3-3753252
Fax: +886-3-3753251
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I have seen a lot of boilerplate brush-offs in my life, and while that HTC rep wasn't able to help get anything done in some concrete form, the letter was not based on a template. Sure they were 2 or 3 paragraphs that sounded stock, but I am guessing (and was very surprised considering what I have seen from HTC on other occasions) that the letter took a longer than average amount of time to write... I do not think it would not be considered a brush off.
And it makes sense... If there is any industry right now which is being carefully watched because of the world's acknowledged impact of it on an individual's daily life, both professional and personal, it is mobile communication and the development thereof. There is an extraordinary amount of money to be made and lost here. HTC is a newcomer through good fortune and I doubt anyone expected them to be sitting next to motorola, samsung, LG, etc. 3 years ago. In this age of social media where 4000 people complaining on a Facebook page can change a corporate policy, HTC is not ignoring any group. And not one with the power we have.
Look at T-Mobile, while I still think their customer device is mediocre, as third place carrier, I have noticed a distinct catering to the "enthusiast" segment of android. Now this doesn't mean they are going to have every phone released sporting a wide open OS like the G1, but their phones are relatively easy to root (wake up Motorola!), and the caliber of their phones (design, cutting edge technology like dual core) is far and away better than the other carriers out there.
I am starting to ramble, but my point is this is a crucial time in an area that we happen to be a big part of. If you don't think the manufacturers or the carriers are keeping a close eye on this board's membership, or the number of people served by CM7, your wrong.. We have the power to turn the carriers and the manufacturers future business plans on their ear. (With early attempts at a "kitchen"... man, that had to make them tremble a bit.) And this enthusiast market is only going to snowball, even if not for true enthusiasts, then for all the people that just want someone to root and re-theme their phone. Trust me, they care.
EDIT: Bottom line, the OP is making a smart suggestion.
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I certainly expected them to be sitting were they are 3 years ago. 5 years ago, no. Hadn't heard of them yet.
Also that was not a stock brush off. Everytime I've contacted HTC I've been happily surprised with their answers. She told you what we need to do to change it so let's do it!
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I agree with jcase that manufacturers and service providers have legitimate reasons for the locking of their respective devices.
One being the protection of their oem software as stated. Another is fraudulent device returns for devices bricked or otherwise rendered inoperable by something done at root level. Lastly the hot topic of rooted tethering and wifi hot spot which are paid services.
So that being said set aside your anger and look at it from their point of view.
I am a rooted user who takes full advantage of my devices potential. I hope that there is a solution in the not too distant future that will both protect the manufacturers and providers interests yet give us the option to modify our devices as we see fit.
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Why not just do what computer manufacturers have done for years? Have a recovery procedure. Or what the nook color did and always boot first off the sd card. Half of the reason that bricking occurs is as a result of circumventing the security. If there was a way to always boot off an sd card people could always restore it. No more bricked phones.. and everyone is happy.
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Are you guys serious? HTC has been around for ages (1997) theyre one of the pioneers in pda/smartphone and touchscreen technology. First windows pda, first windows based phone, first 3g cdma smartphone, first android smartphone and first 4g smartphone. They've been innovative when LG and Moto thought the razr and shine were bleeding edge lol. I had NO doubt they would have a seat upon high. ;-)
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Why not just do what computer manufacturers have done for years? Have a recovery procedure. Or what the nook color did and always boot first off the sd card. Half of the reason that bricking occurs is as a result of circumventing the security. If there was a way to always boot off an sd card people could always restore it. No more bricked phones.. and everyone is happy.
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HTC already does this, but many of us are dicking with the bootloader, which handles this. Once you mess with the bootloader, the possibility of bricking is very real.
Locking down the bootloader was Verizon's idea. Not HTC's. They would rather sell them unlocked. Only the carrier wants them locked. Just think about it and you will see why the manufacturers are forced to do so. There is no point contacting HTC. Please send such emails to Verizon. Please do bug HTC to sell unlocked boot loader devices on the net.
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HTC first did this on a non carrier branded phone first. The whole "it is Verizon" argument is silly, it is a reaction to the industry and carriers as a whole.
Don't blame Verizon solely, HTC wants this.
Sent from my LG Revolution
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HTC first did this on a non carrier branded phone first. The whole "it is Verizon" argument is silly, it is a reaction to the industry and carriers as a whole.
Don't blame Verizon solely, HTC wants this.
Sent from my LG Revolution
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I agree. It would make sense if the only locked ones were the VZW branded, etc.... but unbranded phones are also locked.
efaden said:
I agree. It would make sense if the only locked ones were the VZW branded, etc.... but unbranded phones are also locked.
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the incS has XTC support, and touchpro hooked raskal up with his verizon inc2 so lets pray we get support for the inc2!!!
jcase said:
HTC first did this on a non carrier branded phone first. The whole "it is Verizon" argument is silly, it is a reaction to the industry and carriers as a whole.
Don't blame Verizon solely, HTC wants this.
Sent from my LG Revolution
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Actually the difficulties with rooting has not been carrier specific. In fact, the troubles started with the myTouch Slide on T-Mobile then the G2 on T-Mobile and now the Incredible 2 on Verizon, the Evo Shift on Sprint, and the Thunderbolt on Verizon.
Seems like this is more HTC than the specific carrier to me.
This is good news. HTC is reviewing their bootloader policy:
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-were-reviewing-our-bootloader-policy
Hopefully they'll let us unlock the bootloaders of phones they already released, like the Inc S and Inc 2.
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This is good news. HTC is reviewing their bootloader policy:
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-were-reviewing-our-bootloader-policy
Hopefully they'll let us unlock the bootloaders of phones they already released, like the Inc S and Inc 2.
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Was just about to post this! I hope they let us unlock the bootloaders.
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And who says Facebook, Twitter, and other social media is completely useless
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And who says Facebook, Twitter, and other social media is completely useless
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Found this on the HTC Facebook page..
"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC
Hell yea I was just about to post that as well! I hope this means they will provide means to unlock currently locked phones.
Guys, there is a Petition to HTC to unlock their bootloader, which is FULLY unlock.
Below is the quoted thext
The Petition
It has come to the attention to everyone in the developer community that htc has not really unlocked their bootloaders as they claimed. Yes it does say "unlocked" at the top, but it does not really give you access to anything. It has basically become a fancy way to void your warranty. That needs to change! Htc needs to follow through with their claims and I think with enough people's support we can make a difference. If you agree that htc needs to allow us to customize the phones WE pay for, then please sign this petition.
On another note, their stand on the battery vs. thinness debate is ridiculous. Obviously we want more battery!!! Who cares if your phone is razor thin if it doesn't last long enough to enjoy?!
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Freedom is in your hand. Hopefully this can really send a message to HTC about our rant.
Online petitions rarely work. Not only that but such an unprofessionally written petition will only get ignored.
Asus is even worse than HTC. With HTC you can unlock the bootloader and retain your warranty as long as you don't flash third party s/w. With Asus, the act of unlocking the bootloader complete voids your warranty. In addition, they don't provide NVFlash which makes it easier to brick the device. Doing so with no warranty leaves you no way to recover it. Needless to say users went nuts.
Here's their thread. Nothing ended up coming from it and the policy stands as written.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1515940
Ironically, the folks with the AT&T One X are petitioning to get exactly what we have.
abc27 said:
Online petitions rarely work. Not only that but such an unprofessionally written petition will only get ignored.
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I agree, the Petition is quite badly written.
first paragraph is valid and legit, but second paragraph made me lol.
that "another note" just made the petition look ridiculous.
williamyi said:
Guys, there is a Petition to HTC to unlock their bootloader, which is FULLY unlock.
Below is the quoted thext
Freedom is in your hand. Hopefully this can really send a message to HTC about our rant.
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Lmfao! True but...
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Well I see my petition has become a mockery. Thank you all for the support. I don't see any of you doing anything to help.
williamyi said:
Guys, there is a Petition to HTC to unlock their bootloader, which is FULLY unlock.
Below is the quoted thext
Freedom is in your hand. Hopefully this can really send a message to HTC about our rant.
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As little as they'd pay attention to this petition in the first place, why is the message diluted even further by adding a nonsensical claim that everybody wants a thicker phone at the end?
Frankly, I couldn't disagree more, because battery life wouldn't increase meaningfully unless the phone was much thicker. I'm not going to sign a petition when I disagree with half of it, so you lose my signature, and probably that of many others as well.
That is not a petition it's a rant. If it gets read by anyone at HTC it will only be for laughs! There was a much better written petition posted here some weeks back. I don't think for one second it will make any difference to HTC's policy but at least it's been written to at least seem professional so I was happy to pit my name to that.
Here's the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1657241
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Well there's a difference between polite criticism and being rude.
S OFF. YES.
THICKER PHONE. NO WAY!
My battery life is just fine thanks.
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Well there's a difference between polite criticism and being rude.
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I don't see anybody being rude, more just pointing out that a petition written in this way is going nowhere fast. It starts to talk about the bootloader unlock and out of nowhere complains about the battery. One of the single most praised features of the HOX is its design, it's size and its "thickness" and a "bigger" battery would have compromised that design. Everyone knew the specs of the HOX before it was released and knew the battery was sealed. I get up to 2 days of use on moderate use and easily a day with heavy use and that is remarkable by today's standards especially with a screen this size, so bringing that into the argument is nonsensical. I'm not bashing, that's polite criticism. Although I wholeheartedly agree we should be granted s-off, it's not going to happen soon and not with a petition like that. The one I posted a link to is more likely to get taken more seriously (provided it gets more signatures) but even then I highly doubt it would get anywhere. We're better off hoping and waiting for our genius developers to crack the security than HTC handing it to us on a plate.
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lainemac said:
Well there's a difference between polite criticism and being rude.
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Yep, and your poll crossed that line.
Alright I get it. I guess I was just upset. I was looking online for petitions regarding the issues and could not find anything so I decided to construct my own with much thought and effort. I do agree that the other petition posted is much better written and more proffesional.
Along with signing the petition, you should also contact LG directly.
Here's my email and response
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Product/Model No. : Smart Phone/Emerging Device/LGLS970
to whom it may concern.
If you truly want this to be your flagship phone that turns the companys smartphone sales around, you better unlock the bootloader.
Ive already seen hundreds of people turn down this awesome phone because of the locked bootloader. you are severly limiting your audiance. I think this decision is a very bad one.
No on is interested in you guys limiting what we can or cant do with our property and or waiting for you to roll out updates. especially when we could just do it ourself.
From what i can tell, you have nothing to gain by having a locked bootloader. the only thing it does is make us wait for updates, ie newer versions of android software. which might i remind you is has been out for sometime. why should we have to wait for yall to make it an update?
Unlocking the bootloader also would relive some of the mass emails im sure you get about "when the next update is comming out"
Please, Please concider this. it would truly make the optimus g a great phone
I doubt that LG cares about a small, handful of people that want to unlock the phone. But don't worry, the bootloader will be unlocked *very* soon thanks to the devs
I think the first step would be making sure your email at least sounds professional...all those typos notwithstanding (which look awful btw), the email comes off as a rant from an angry, uneducated customer.
They won't budge if their complaint emails all sound like yours, no offense.
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squshy 7 said:
I think the first step would be making sure your email at least sounds professional...all those typos notwithstanding (which look awful btw), the email comes off as a rant from an angry, uneducated customer.
They won't budge if their complaint emails all sound like yours, no offense.
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@squshy - none taken....yeah...i probably should have spell checked it, lol
despite how my email or others may sound, they really only have two choices. either unlock the bootloader or get their software hacked.
either is fine with me.
squshy - "They won't budge if their complaint emails all sound like yours, no offense. "
Not sure on that one. on one hand asking nicely may help .....or get totally disregarded. on the other hand if they get a bunch of angry customers asking to unlock it, they probably will.
Ive seen things like this go one way or the other very easily.
However as mentioned, the devs will have this worked out soon enough