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Any lawyer's out there. Please read.

Ok I know when you buy a computer and if say you don't want Windows on it and its preinstalled you can deny the terms and conditions, and Microsoft will refund you the amount of money that windows cost.
Now using that same theory if I wright a letter to HTC saying I don't agree to there terms and conditions, than wouldn't they then have to either supply me with a stock Android Rom minus there software, or provide me with a way to remove there software, by either giving me a way to load my own Rom built from source, or give me access to system partition to remove the said software.(see were I am going with this)
Anyway if someone with some legal knowledge could school me a little bit that would be great. Thanks.

Yes this will work. This is great..... FOR ME TO POOP ON!
binny1007 said:
Ok I know when you buy a computer and if say you don't want Windows on it and its preinstalled you can deny the terms and conditions, and Microsoft will refund you the amount of money that windows cost.
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Ummm, no? Did you dream this? Does Microsoft sell computers?

Ummm..... that is not true maybe you should not post if have nothing relevant to say, by the way here is some reading for you.
Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_refund
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Calling in the Suits
Does the Incredible have an EULA on first boot? I am still waiting for mine so I cannot say, but I would assume when you sign up with Verizon, such rights are waved (esp. after the 30-day return period). I would assume the most they would do for you would be similar to Microsoft and give you a rebate in exchange for the device.
However, these are all assumptions on my part. I am friends with a lawyer who used to represent Olga.net (On-line Guitar Archives) when I worked with them. He managed to fend off the NMPA (kind of the music version of the MPAA) and MPA (a sister organization to the RIAA; focuses on publishing rights) for many years. Really the only reason OLGA is not running now is the admin providing the resources was told by his employer that they were no longer going to support the site once the take-down notices started to flood in and the words "possible lawsuit" were whispered.
I'll get in contact with him and post (possibly PM only) his reply, but you might also want to try and get in contact with someone at the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation), as this sounds right up their alley.

Yes on first boot you are asked to accept the EULA.

I think you are out of luck.
The phone is a phone first, a computer second. You can't buy the phone without the OS in it because Verizon won't allow a phone device that has not been approved on their network.
You didn't buy the phone from HTC, you bought it from Verizon. So any dispute with what you purchased is with Verizon, not HTC (Ie you can't buy the phone from HTC direct).
If you don't like Sense UI, don't buy a phone that comes with it. Your recourse which you had from the very beginning was to return the phone.
Not a lawyer...

I love sense but I'm just looking for some options.

I'll give you $1,000,000 if you actually do this. Why? Because it will never happen. No offense, but are you truly serious or are you really really high? Do you think if I bought a video game, I could decline the license agreement and demand they provide me the source code or something? Krelvin is trying to talk some sense into you, so listen to him. Just be patient and wait for root. It will happen soon enough.

Why didn't you just buy a phone with an android os without sense. ??

Verizon will just tell you to **** off. HTC isn't going to give you root access just because you deny the terms of service... Give it a shot though!

Just wait for Root...or return the phone and get a different one.
There, done deal.

binny1007 said:
I love sense but I'm just looking for some options.
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I just installed Launcher2 from Cyanogen 5.0.7 and said bye bye sense

binny1007 said:
Ok I know when you buy a computer and if say you don't want Windows on it and its preinstalled you can deny the terms and conditions, and Microsoft will refund you the amount of money that windows cost.
Now using that same theory if I wright a letter to HTC saying I don't agree to there terms and conditions, than wouldn't they then have to either supply me with a stock Android Rom minus there software, or provide me with a way to remove there software, by either giving me a way to load my own Rom built from source, or give me access to system partition to remove the said software.(see were I am going with this)
Anyway if someone with some legal knowledge could school me a little bit that would be great. Thanks.
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flash your own rom. nobody stopped you.

Come on guys, give binny a little bit of respect on this, he isn't a n00b to the Android world and he doesn't dislike HTC or Sense, he is just thinking of possible ways for us Incredible users to get root. I did run this by my lawyer friend though and he basically repeated the line a few people have come up with (that it's really Verizon that you would have to deal with and it's highly unlikely that for any reason you would be able to force their hand).
However if you still want to pursue this, I am still recommending the EFF. To start a new "action" you can sign up here.

Didn't mean to come off as such an a-hole as I was kinda irritated that day ahha.
but anyways, if he can accomplish this (which is highly unlikely), I'll give him all kinds of props.
If he's willing to go through with it, by all means do it...but like others have stated, Verizon will most likely be quite unwilling...

DeeBG said:
Come on guys, give binny a little bit of respect on this, he isn't a n00b to the Android world and he doesn't dislike HTC or Sense, he is just thinking of possible ways for us Incredible users to get root. I did run this by my lawyer friend though and he basically repeated the line a few people have come up with (that it's really Verizon that you would have to deal with and it's highly unlikely that for any reason you would be able to force their hand).
However if you still want to pursue this, I am still recommending the EFF. To start a new "action" you can sign up here.
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I'm not being disrespectful. I am being real. Binny is in dreamland if he thinks this will help/work/not be a waste of time. And no offense, but your lawyer friend didn't do that website much good as they are still shutdown, and if he successfully "fended" anyone off the website would be up and running, not shutdown with a notice about legal issues.

binny1007 said:
Ok I know when you buy a computer and if say you don't want Windows on it and its preinstalled you can deny the terms and conditions, and Microsoft will refund you the amount of money that windows cost.
Now using that same theory if I wright a letter to HTC saying I don't agree to there terms and conditions, than wouldn't they then have to either supply me with a stock Android Rom minus there software, or provide me with a way to remove there software, by either giving me a way to load my own Rom built from source, or give me access to system partition to remove the said software.(see were I am going with this)
Anyway if someone with some legal knowledge could school me a little bit that would be great. Thanks.
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It's just that... figure this out before worrying about taking on EULA laws and the like.
there is not there, it is their, as well as than is not than it is then
I'm too uninterested to correct the rest of your grammar.

Thank you so much for correcting my grammar it was soooooo nice of you.
And I will make this clear my complaint would not be with VZW as they had no hand in anything software wise. I'm not going to feed into the trolls here. So please I ask if you have nothing productive to say than don't say it. There are 3 licenses that you are accepting, HTC's, Google's, and the open source licensing, if you accept the two of them and not HTC's than you should still be able to use you phone. That's the point I am trying to make here but thanks to everyone who felt the need to comment on this, and had nothing useful to say.

5377henry said:
It's just that... figure this out before worrying about taking on EULA laws and the like.
there is not there, it is their, as well as than is not than it is then
I'm too uninterested to correct the rest of your grammar.
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WOW! your first post just to act like a butt.
seriously whats with all the snarly remarks people? binny asked a very straight forward question. to all those saying "get a different phone" verizon doesn't offer comparable android phone without sense, or "flash you're (thats for you 5377henry) own rom" we don't have root, hence the whole point of the question/thread.
anywho, i did not even know you could do that with windows, thanks for the info binny.
i have a feeling we would attain root before something like this could be played out through htc. i am baffled that they cut the option to go to regular android. not that i hate sense, i just like options...

MrGoodCat said:
WOW! your first post just to act like a butt.
seriously whats with all the snarly remarks people? binny asked a very straight forward question. to all those saying "get a different phone" verizon doesn't offer comparable android phone without sense, or "flash you're (thats for you 5377henry) own rom" we don't have root, hence the whole point of the question/thread.
anywho, i did not even know you could do that with windows, thanks for the info binny.
i have a feeling we would attain root before something like this could be played out through htc. i am baffled that they cut the option to go to regular android. not that i hate sense, i just like options...
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Lots of people don't know that you can do that with Windows. Witch is why I thought I would ask. I just don't know the legal aspect of it.

Lets tell HTC how we feel about them locking our phones down

I'm kind of angry that HTC chooses to do this I mean after all we all purchased this phone therefor we should have the right to do as we please with it, correct?Sure its not really getting anything done on the rooting scene but the least we can do is tell them we're dissatisfied with their closed approach to Android.
http://twitter.com/htc
http://www.htc.com/www/about_htc_bymail.aspx
HTC Headquarters
23 Hsin Hua Rd., Taoyuan 330,
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Tel: +886-3-3753252
Fax: +886-3-3753251

I assume its due to new apps such as: netflix, hulu, move rentals and other apps that require a lockdown. I don't think HTC would like to see their hard work (HTC Sense) on other devices lowering the need for upgrades: example, the two Incredibles if you install sense 2.0 or skyraider 4.0 the need for Incredible 2 lowers quite a bit. I plan on jumping on Incredible 2 just because of its design. It is exactly what I wanted in the first Incredible. I'm all up more for unlocked HTC phones

I sent them an email and got the following response...
Thank you for your feedback regarding the Incredible 2. Unfortunately I do not have information about whether the bootloader is locked or how it can be customized to allow you to install a custom ROM. Because we focus on supporting the software included on the device and assisting users with free technical support we are only able to support the aspects of the device as they are developed by ourselves and your carrier, in this case Verizon.
That said, however, we do value your feedback. You will see an invitation to provide our company with recorded, documented feedback in the signature of my email to you. The ratings at the top are your opportunity to rate my response to you and then there is a comment section that allows you to make your opinions known to HTC itself, rather than to simply the representative who corresponds with you. I would encourage you to submit your opinion there as well, even if you just copy and paste most of your initial email to us.
We track this feedback and it does make a difference in our product decisions. If it turns out the bootloader is locked down with a secure key or other method, your feedback using the survey system may convince the powers that be to change this in a future update.
In regard to your inquiry regarding an API for the Sense interface, any application or widget targeted for Android should work in HTC Sense, so you should be able to use the Android APIs for your development purposes and this will also allow your application to work on phones that do not run HTC Sense, such as competitor phones or even some of our devices like the G2. That said, there are additional resources where you can get information about developing on HTC and Android devices:
http://www.htcmobilitynow.com/ This is a site that allows you to request to partner with us for application development or suggest a business opportunity, if you would like.
http://developer.htc.com/ This URL contains kernel and GPL-covered source code for our devices. Source is generally published within 90 days of a product release but it normally does not take that long.
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Pretty much just seems like a regular copy paste brush off response.

HTC has some very good reasons for locking devices down, and I don't blame them at all. Their setup is very nice for the average consumer.
I support OEMs locking their hardware in general, however I also support (and am active in) unlocking them. What they really need to do is find a workable solution, like enabling oem unlock.
tylerch said:
I'm kind of angry that HTC chooses to do this I mean after all we all purchased this phone therefor we should have the right to do as we please with it, correct?Sure its not really getting anything done on the rooting scene but the least we can do is tell them we're dissatisfied with their closed approach to Android.
http://twitter.com/htc
http://www.htc.com/www/about_htc_bymail.aspx
HTC Headquarters
23 Hsin Hua Rd., Taoyuan 330,
Taiwan, R. O. C.
Tel: +886-3-3753252
Fax: +886-3-3753251
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I have seen a lot of boilerplate brush-offs in my life, and while that HTC rep wasn't able to help get anything done in some concrete form, the letter was not based on a template. Sure they were 2 or 3 paragraphs that sounded stock, but I am guessing (and was very surprised considering what I have seen from HTC on other occasions) that the letter took a longer than average amount of time to write... I do not think it would not be considered a brush off.
And it makes sense... If there is any industry right now which is being carefully watched because of the world's acknowledged impact of it on an individual's daily life, both professional and personal, it is mobile communication and the development thereof. There is an extraordinary amount of money to be made and lost here. HTC is a newcomer through good fortune and I doubt anyone expected them to be sitting next to motorola, samsung, LG, etc. 3 years ago. In this age of social media where 4000 people complaining on a Facebook page can change a corporate policy, HTC is not ignoring any group. And not one with the power we have.
Look at T-Mobile, while I still think their customer device is mediocre, as third place carrier, I have noticed a distinct catering to the "enthusiast" segment of android. Now this doesn't mean they are going to have every phone released sporting a wide open OS like the G1, but their phones are relatively easy to root (wake up Motorola!), and the caliber of their phones (design, cutting edge technology like dual core) is far and away better than the other carriers out there.
I am starting to ramble, but my point is this is a crucial time in an area that we happen to be a big part of. If you don't think the manufacturers or the carriers are keeping a close eye on this board's membership, or the number of people served by CM7, your wrong.. We have the power to turn the carriers and the manufacturers future business plans on their ear. (With early attempts at a "kitchen"... man, that had to make them tremble a bit.) And this enthusiast market is only going to snowball, even if not for true enthusiasts, then for all the people that just want someone to root and re-theme their phone. Trust me, they care.
EDIT: Bottom line, the OP is making a smart suggestion.
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I certainly expected them to be sitting were they are 3 years ago. 5 years ago, no. Hadn't heard of them yet.
Also that was not a stock brush off. Everytime I've contacted HTC I've been happily surprised with their answers. She told you what we need to do to change it so let's do it!
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I agree with jcase that manufacturers and service providers have legitimate reasons for the locking of their respective devices.
One being the protection of their oem software as stated. Another is fraudulent device returns for devices bricked or otherwise rendered inoperable by something done at root level. Lastly the hot topic of rooted tethering and wifi hot spot which are paid services.
So that being said set aside your anger and look at it from their point of view.
I am a rooted user who takes full advantage of my devices potential. I hope that there is a solution in the not too distant future that will both protect the manufacturers and providers interests yet give us the option to modify our devices as we see fit.
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Why not just do what computer manufacturers have done for years? Have a recovery procedure. Or what the nook color did and always boot first off the sd card. Half of the reason that bricking occurs is as a result of circumventing the security. If there was a way to always boot off an sd card people could always restore it. No more bricked phones.. and everyone is happy.
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Are you guys serious? HTC has been around for ages (1997) theyre one of the pioneers in pda/smartphone and touchscreen technology. First windows pda, first windows based phone, first 3g cdma smartphone, first android smartphone and first 4g smartphone. They've been innovative when LG and Moto thought the razr and shine were bleeding edge lol. I had NO doubt they would have a seat upon high. ;-)
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efaden said:
Why not just do what computer manufacturers have done for years? Have a recovery procedure. Or what the nook color did and always boot first off the sd card. Half of the reason that bricking occurs is as a result of circumventing the security. If there was a way to always boot off an sd card people could always restore it. No more bricked phones.. and everyone is happy.
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HTC already does this, but many of us are dicking with the bootloader, which handles this. Once you mess with the bootloader, the possibility of bricking is very real.

Locking down the bootloader was Verizon's idea. Not HTC's. They would rather sell them unlocked. Only the carrier wants them locked. Just think about it and you will see why the manufacturers are forced to do so. There is no point contacting HTC. Please send such emails to Verizon. Please do bug HTC to sell unlocked boot loader devices on the net.
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HTC first did this on a non carrier branded phone first. The whole "it is Verizon" argument is silly, it is a reaction to the industry and carriers as a whole.
Don't blame Verizon solely, HTC wants this.
Sent from my LG Revolution

jcase said:
HTC first did this on a non carrier branded phone first. The whole "it is Verizon" argument is silly, it is a reaction to the industry and carriers as a whole.
Don't blame Verizon solely, HTC wants this.
Sent from my LG Revolution
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I agree. It would make sense if the only locked ones were the VZW branded, etc.... but unbranded phones are also locked.

efaden said:
I agree. It would make sense if the only locked ones were the VZW branded, etc.... but unbranded phones are also locked.
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the incS has XTC support, and touchpro hooked raskal up with his verizon inc2 so lets pray we get support for the inc2!!!

jcase said:
HTC first did this on a non carrier branded phone first. The whole "it is Verizon" argument is silly, it is a reaction to the industry and carriers as a whole.
Don't blame Verizon solely, HTC wants this.
Sent from my LG Revolution
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Actually the difficulties with rooting has not been carrier specific. In fact, the troubles started with the myTouch Slide on T-Mobile then the G2 on T-Mobile and now the Incredible 2 on Verizon, the Evo Shift on Sprint, and the Thunderbolt on Verizon.
Seems like this is more HTC than the specific carrier to me.

This is good news. HTC is reviewing their bootloader policy:
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-were-reviewing-our-bootloader-policy
Hopefully they'll let us unlock the bootloaders of phones they already released, like the Inc S and Inc 2.

finitybeyond said:
This is good news. HTC is reviewing their bootloader policy:
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-were-reviewing-our-bootloader-policy
Hopefully they'll let us unlock the bootloaders of phones they already released, like the Inc S and Inc 2.
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Was just about to post this! I hope they let us unlock the bootloaders.
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And who says Facebook, Twitter, and other social media is completely useless

LowFire82 said:
And who says Facebook, Twitter, and other social media is completely useless
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Found this on the HTC Facebook page..
"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC

Hell yea I was just about to post that as well! I hope this means they will provide means to unlock currently locked phones.

For all thouse wonder if the SGS3 will be a One X beater

I can't say much as my source is under an NDA but i can say that from what i have been told you'll be better of getting a One X. I can quantify this by also saying that Touchwiz will employ a drawer style interface, the hardware specs are little lower than the One x's and that device is housed in a curved plastic case (i'm still trying to clarify what that means exactly).
I can't say more till may 3rd as it looks like i will be attending the launch event in London, if everything goes to plan.
Please don't ask me any further questions on this. I may have the answers but i really can't give them. I really can't afford a legal fight with samsung over this. If anything i wanted to try and encourage any hangers on to stop wasting time (and save a lot of disappointment)
I will also say the source is reliable, he is a user of XDA and a good friend of mine. He is also the person that is arranging my tickets to the launch event. He used the device to today in one of samsungs global HQ's and i trust his opinion and judgement completely.
I can't stress enough that this is not a rumour or random fan boy hate speculation (hell if he sees this i may even lose my job).

Hilarious
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if it doesn't look like a sports car like the render from the old May 22, then i don't care. if the HTC camera sucks, i'll buy a Canon/Panasonic/Nikon and wait for a Motorola Nexus.

Pfft your so cool.

this thread is just going to turn into a spam flam war itself enjoy and have fun here..

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...s3-benchmarks-reveal-impressive-power-1077226

2 things here...
I will also say the source is reliable, he is a user of XDA and a good friend of mine.
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hell if he sees this i may even lose my job
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Somehow if these are true, I suspect posting this thread is something you will regret ^^

CaveManDave said:
2 things here...
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Somehow if these are true, I suspect posting this thread is something you will regret ^^
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what do you do for a living? crazy observation skills

tian105 said:
what do you do for a living? crazy observation skills
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Was merely pointing it out to to the OP in the hope he deletes the thread before getting himself in trouble, but thanks for your concern.
Edit: Oh, and some crazy quoting skills you got there :rollseyes:

Not to be a smartass, but of all the things I'm curious about "TouchWiz using a drawer interface" is probably the least of them. Nothing you posted is any different (or clearer) than the online rumors and leaks. With that, and the fact you can't say anything, why post? To let us know you know and we don't? Odd thread.

Thanks
This just strength me to buy One X LTE

Trolololol
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M3PH said:
I can't say much as my source is under an NDA but i can say that from what i have been told you'll be better of getting a One X. I can quantify this by also saying that Touchwiz will employ a drawer style interface, the hardware specs are little lower than the One x's and that device is housed in a curved plastic case (i'm still trying to clarify what that means exactly).
I can't say more till may 3rd as it looks like i will be attending the launch event in London, if everything goes to plan.
Please don't ask me any further questions on this. I may have the answers but i really can't give them. I really can't afford a legal fight with samsung over this. If anything i wanted to try and encourage any hangers on to stop wasting time (and save a lot of disappointment)
I will also say the source is reliable, he is a user of XDA and a good friend of mine. He is also the person that is arranging my tickets to the launch event. He used the device to today in one of samsungs global HQ's and i trust his opinion and judgement completely.
I can't stress enough that this is not a rumour or random fan boy hate speculation (hell if he sees this i may even lose my job).
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These are signs of insecurity. Just be happy with your one x. But the galaxy s 3 will most likely (98% chance) just mop the floor with the one x anyway.

barondebxl said:
These are signs of insecurity. Just be happy with your one x. But the galaxy s 3 will most likely (98% chance) just mop the floor with the one x anyway.
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[/fanboyism]

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Lol No fanboyism just reality. May 3rd is around the corner.

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Petition against HTC to have them fix the multitasking issue

I've started a petition to try to get HTC to fix the multitasking issue on our One X's.
At first it didn't bother me that much, but the more I use the phone, the more it gets to me. A couple of times already I wanted to smash the phone against the wall.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/htc-fix-multitasking-on-our-one-xs/
All your support is greatly appreciated

Pretty poorly written 'petition'
Doesn't matter anyway, even if wasn't abysmal, it wouldn't be effective unless 1000's complained to HTC about it but we on XDA are the 1%.

So Sorry Tommy
TommUK said:
Pretty poorly written 'petition'
Doesn't matter anyway, even if wasn't abysmal, it wouldn't be effective unless 1000's complained to HTC about it but we on XDA are the 1%.
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How about sending me a PM of the "correct" way to write the petition and I will change it, in stead of just shooting it down.

"And don't get me wrong, I love Sense, but not at the expense of the Android Experience."
this is a petition, not your personal interest. rework your petition and i'll sign
"I will be keeping an eye on the next couple of phones released by HTC and if this trend of Sense comes first, then Android continues, I will be moving to a different manufacturer. If I found out about this earlier, I would have already taken the phone back to swap for a Galaxy S3."
this is threatening, htc will not even bother to read small time threats like this. this made your petition lose it's power
"Please sign this petition and let us see if we can change HTC's mind. Also share the link, tweet about it. You do not have to own a One X to sign the petition, you just have to feel that HTC is wrong."
now you're begging for signatures. lack of professionalism
"So in an effort to make their bloated Sense experience better and smoother they will break Android. We buy Android phones running Sense, not Sense phones running Android."
this point has no directions. what has it got to do with multi tasking?

shiningarmor said:
"And don't get me wrong, I love Sense, but not at the expense of the Android Experience."
this is a petition, not your personal interest. rework your petition and i'll sign
"I will be keeping an eye on the next couple of phones released by HTC and if this trend of Sense comes first, then Android continues, I will be moving to a different manufacturer. If I found out about this earlier, I would have already taken the phone back to swap for a Galaxy S3."
this is threatening, htc will not even bother to read small time threats like this. this made your petition lose it's power
"Please sign this petition and let us see if we can change HTC's mind. Also share the link, tweet about it. You do not have to own a One X to sign the petition, you just have to feel that HTC is wrong."
now you're begging for signatures. lack of professionalism
"So in an effort to make their bloated Sense experience better and smoother they will break Android. We buy Android phones running Sense, not Sense phones running Android."
this point has no directions. what has it got to do with multi tasking?
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Is it better now? Any further pointers are appreciated.

Good luck with that, maybe you should research your next phone a bit better then you might not be disappointed when you find it doesn't do what you want it to.

Online petitions achieve absolutely sod all.

Doesn't that advanced multitasking script help?
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Petition posted to Change.org to unlock the bootloader.

I figured there was already a petition to unlock the bootloader, but I didn't find one.
So, I made a petition.
You can find it here:
https://www.change.org/p/amazon-com...re-phone-to-allow-custom-roms-to-be-installed
Please vote!

XR01 said:
I figured there was already a petition to unlock the bootloader, but I didn't find one.
So, I made a petition.
You can find it here:
https://www.change.org/p/amazon-com...re-phone-to-allow-custom-roms-to-be-installed
Please vote!
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Thank you for the support! There are 65 signatures so far. I am going to re-write the petition to make it more organized, clearer, and more convincing. If anyone has recommendations on what to include, please let me know. I will take out the criticism of the Fire Phone, and move it toward opening the Fire Phone to the opportunity for an extended life and appreciation. Also, I will add the email of the Project Manager of Amazon devices to the petition.
I've thought of giving a brief history of the phone and adding more info about HTC's successful unlock program, and the longevity of the HP TouchPad which had a similar situation in which WebOS hampered excellent hardware due to limited applications available and later became the 2nd most popular tablet of 2011 after a fire sale and bootloader unlock.

Signed. I hope they will see it and they eventually come around. Thanks for taking the time to set the petition up.

signed !

Signed!

Thank you. I signed it.

Almost to 100
Less than 10 signatures left to reach 100!!
I have a lot of good comments on there, thanks!
I provided more details and links in the petition description, and also directed it to the CEO and Project Manager. Hopefully we get a definitive answer soon.

Signed.

I signed.

yup
XR01 said:
I figured there was already a petition to unlock the bootloader, but I didn't find one.
So, I made a petition.
You can find it here:
https://www.change.org/p/amazon-com...re-phone-to-allow-custom-roms-to-be-installed
Please vote!
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whatever you can do to entice them toward their "brand and identity value" vs. resale or obsolescence cycle would be great.

Just done it.

Signed !

me too!
signed!

I would LOVE to have an unlocked bootloader. I don't know enough about delving into the specifics of the programming, but every single phone I've had I've unlocked and loaded something on it, even if I turned it back to stock later (MyTouch 3G comes to mind...). I don't want this phone to end up like all the other phones sitting in my drawer taking up space after a little while, I'd love to keep using this beautiful hardware for at least another year!

signed, but i do not believe, Amazon will be moved. They made the phone to hook people on to their services' eco system. Unlocking will counter that and they really don't care about money, any phone sold but operating without their eco system is anyways loss to them..

Singed.

Singd. Plz Jeff Beezös, giv bootloedr and pliz gib moniiz so i can bui iPhöne 6 Pluzz.
(I didn't actually sign it, because: reality...)

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Signed:good:

Excellent idea! Of course I signed it!

I signed it too, but he could just not care at all and keep it locked.