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Motorola Bootloader Petition (>10K sigs & Moto Response)

Visit Groubal and sign the petition: http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
Retweet: http://twitter.com/#!/ibproud/status/52265679990169600
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/unlockmoto
UPDATE (14th June 2011):
We are now over the 10,000 mark.​
I have now spoken with Motorola and gotten confirmation that Motorola plan to unlock every device that will get an update in the second half of this year. This will include maintenance & firmware updates, but is still subject to Carrier approval.
The promising sign is that Verizon has already allowed Motorola to unlock a device on their network, the Xoom, which utilizes the unlockable/re-lockable model that Motorola intends on using across their devices.
I'm still looking to work with Motorola in the coming months to help see if we can make this a smooth process for Motorola and the community.
You can read the article here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/06/14/an-u...witter&utm_campaign=Feed:+ausdroid+(Ausdroid)
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
UPDATE (26th April 2011):
We are now at ~8,700 mark.​
Motorola has now responded to me, stating that they are looking at unlocking bootloaders across their devices late 2011.
The article for the story can be found here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/04/26/the-little-aussie-taking-on-motorola-u-s/#more-8184
We're still seeking clarity around whether this will be for current devices or only future devices.
I couldn't have gotten this far without the support of everyone here. You guys and girls have been a huge support and help me turn this snowball into a wrecking ball.
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
Previous Update (4th April 2011):
We are now at ~7600 mark.​
We're starting to slow down from our initial boom, so I have now set up a Facebook page to see if we can wrangle in some supporters that don't use Twitter or XDA.
I will need your help getting this out there. So share the facebook page where you can.
I'm also looking to see if anyone is interested in helping me Moderate the page. Please PM if you are.
Original Post:
Hi All,
I have created a Groubal (online petition) to get a response from Motorola on it's bootloader policy.
>>This petition started for the Atrix, but I made sure that it was for Motorola's overall Bootloader Policy. I have reached 200 signatures in 2 weeks, but now believe it's time to expand this out of the Atrix space and into the larger Motorola Dev community.

Just signed the petition.

It could be me but non of your links work
How could you sign the petiton dedraks?

spamnco said:
It could be me but non of your links work
How could you sign the petiton dedraks?
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Thanks for the heads up on that. I'll be more careful when copying and pasting links.

Let's try this:
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/

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It could be me but non of your links work
How could you sign the petiton dedraks?
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Use this shor link: http://4by.in/4

Not that it'll make any difference but your petition is more likely to be taken seriously if comments like that of 'rich fraley' weren't included.
Signed, at length...

Step666 said:
Not that it'll make any difference but your petition is more likely to be taken seriously if comments like that of 'rich fraley' weren't included.
Signed, at length...
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Yeah, agreed. I tried seeing if I could at least censor the comment, but no dice.
Thanks for you're support guys. I've always been a big fan of the saying "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar".

Famous idea. You got the sign.

i have signed

Not to kill the cause... but the issue isnt really with motorola... Isnt it with the service providers who would rather have the bootloaders on the phones locked so they can sell us services we could install for free... ie Wi-fi Calling, Tethering..
I think Motorola's hands are tied.. their customers are the service providers.
Would it make more sense to harass t-mobile and the likes over this?

Signed as well.

ketonkss4 said:
Not to kill the cause... but the issue isnt really with motorola... Isnt it with the service providers who would rather have the bootloaders on the phones locked so they can sell us services we could install for free... ie Wi-fi Calling, Tethering..
I think Motorola's hands are tied.. their customers are the service providers.
Would it make more sense to harass t-mobile and the likes over this?
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On all phones that have locked and encrypted bootloaders, I don't think there's been one that couldn't be rooted. Once rooted, you have access to all the Tethering and WiFi Calling apps out there. So it could be the case, but all unlocking the bootloader does is let you use custom kernels that form the base of alternative roms. So bloatware be damned, it can removed fairly quickly and without even touching the bootloader.
It would be more for warranty claims, that's why the padlock picture on the very first screen's the way to go. That way if a phone is damaged due to modification, the carrier/manufacturer can turn you away due to voided warranty.

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i am looking into the legal side of the locked bootloader to see if theirs any loop holes in locking a phone when the manufacture is part of the open handset alliance
but i think the fastest way of the bootloader being unencrypted is to put up a cash reward for the person that unlocks it.
maybe if we can raise £1000 it might spur someone on to go the extra mile

ketonkss4 said:
Not to kill the cause... but the issue isnt really with motorola... Isnt it with the service providers who would rather have the bootloaders on the phones locked so they can sell us services we could install for free... ie Wi-fi Calling, Tethering..
I think Motorola's hands are tied.. their customers are the service providers.
Would it make more sense to harass t-mobile and the likes over this?
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So why is my unlocked/un-branded Defy that is in no way tied to any network also cursed with a locked bootloader?
And if the networks are demanding it, how come not every manufacturer is crippling their handsets in this way?
This is a decision Motorola have made, no-one else.

#UnlockMoto
Thanks :-D
You can also join the #UnlockMoto campain and spread the word on social media networks like Twitter as well as on modding forums and such.
Start by joining the #UnlockMoto Campain for Motorola Unlocked Bootloaders! here: http://twb.ly/UnlockMoto.
Then read: http://bit.ly/UnlockMotoPage

done, signed

signed!!!

Just signed.

adlx.xda said:
Thanks :-D
You can also join the #UnlockMoto campain and spread the word on social media networks like Twitter as well as on modding forums and such.
Start by joining the #UnlockMoto Campain for Motorola Unlocked Bootloaders! here: http://twb.ly/UnlockMoto.
Then read: http://bit.ly/UnlockMotoPage
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Thanks for posting dude, i've been sending out a tweet for the 2 causes.
Retweet:
http://twitter.com/#!/ibproud/status/50306686350655488

Finally Kyocera Duraforce My Already Rooted !

I ok will delete my share, co'z replay [URL="http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61145873&postcount=63"]here[/URL] and here... If Mr Obsy no money to donate... no need donate... u
Thats not for money only! if your need donate, just donate.... if your no have money, you can use the tutorial without i know...|
although you can still consume without money... and our future you can still take my experience and try out without giving feedback or money ...
But these people speak as if I beggars and ask him...
The term donation, without coercion and determination....
But whether Mr. Osby has a copy and try to Kyoceranya then try to develop my tutorial last rewrite and publish at a later ??
thanks...
Somebody need try just contact me... without donate... just FREE! except Mr. Obsy

If u did this post just to ask money for someone else's work, better delete it because is not the way does this XDA community work....

I've never read something that immediately makes me feel as if I've just smoked every drug ever made in one setting. Never, until right just now.

kmt5150 said:
I've never read something that immediately makes me feel as if I've just smoked every drug ever made in one setting. Never, until right just now.
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Sigh.... I cant tell anyone the frustration level i have is regarding this site, the ads, and the organzation of the info.... Im what everyone would consider an Old Guy! You know, the guy thats perfect for job and company age discrimination. Its difficult to tolerate lack of quality and mediocrity.
I have had a need for a cell phone that actually can take a tiny bump and survive unlike the rest of them due to the environment I work in. I have no choice.
However, as mentioned above from the prior poster regarding the crack pipe smoker.... I have fortold the future of legalized drugs in the US and the wonderful H1B Visa programs Scabs stealing American jobs... of course not to mention the fabulous resource ad intensive web browsing lockups on this website... etc, ect, ect,...
I only ask for a way to place a simple custom rom of the latest version of Android on my phone? Or maybe a link that has WORKING LINKS to the images and instructions on how to flash the phone. Which of course does not exist, work, or otherwise.... Seems to me that I use a program that crawls for dead links???? Wow theres an idea? especially if someone with good intentions cant live up to the good intentions....????
Its still amazing to me that I cant throw money at someone to:
A. View an ad free working forum website that doesn't lock my entire web browser and pc up.
B. Find someone who would simply provide successful workable steps with working links.
C. Or pay someone to walk me through a ROM flash since the very basics of this is the very basis of this website which has now been lost in space.
Why is it impossible to simply find the reason and goal of this website with working links? I realize Kyocera's are not the most popular phones, however an OS is an OS. Still surprising is that someone hasn't created a feature rich version that can be loaded on ANY phone with the ability to custom button functions. Just like any typical OS like windows or linux? If I had the time? I would provide this, however I guess since everyone works fulltime? We need a place to provide less than perfect projects to poison everyone elses phones??? The reason I dont do it is I realize that I dont have the time to provide a QUALITY functioning product without half way hacks...???
Please forgive me for being such a D***, I am truly sorry and mean no disrespect to all whom have worked so hard... The frustration level is based upon this lovely Javascript ad filled site that suck the life from my webbrowsers and my pc's.... I would give anything I had,,,, and I mean anything in order to have a five minute conversation with the creator of Javascript.....(The professors at the colleges insist he created Javascript in three weeks.... and it certainly shows) I guess it cost more than forty bucks a month to host this forum? so we need to make 10k a month to load it up with advertising and greed?
Thanks all for your patient and reviewing my post, I hope that you may be able to point me in the right direction. Please notice all the question marks... I put them there intentionally as a question becuase I dont understand why anyone would intentionally cripple a website with great info for money???? But again, remember Im stupid.

[NEWS] Bootloader Unlock and Fire Phone Developer Version

As we know, Amazon never released an official way to unlock the bootloader on their devices.
I'm pretty sure a lot of their customers have requested the same thing over and over, but what i'm not sure of is if anyone got a response from their "customer help" like mine.
The other day, I sent my 2nd request regarding the bootloader unlock, kernel sources and "system_core" patches they'd released for Kindle Fire HD and HDX, the answer was being already a lot more interactive then my first response(props to that).
They replied saying that "Kernel source codes weren't available at this time", and that they had forwarded my suggestion to its developer team, but i noticed the employee forgot to mention the bootloader unlock part, which for me was of utter importance.
So again i contacted them, via the reply option we get when we send feedback, in order to continue the last question and asked about the bootloader unlock.
This is the full reply i got from them today:
Hello _____,
My name is Vijay, I'm with Fire Phone support.
I'm sorry that my colleague missed out on mentioning about bootloader unlock code for Fire Phone.
I have checked in our database and see that we haven't released bootloader unlock code for Fire Phones because our technical team is still working on developer version. We regret for any inconvenience this may have caused to you.
We realize how important bootloaders unlock code is to our developers. I'd like to inform you that we are also looking for developers who can help us to make our Fire Phone top notch.
Considering your comments, I have forwarded your request to Fire Phone development team for review.
Although, at this time, we do not have any information regarding unlock code, please be assured, we will definitely consider your customer comments as we work on improvements in Fire Phone space.
When we're ready to announce developer version, we'll definitely provide bootloader unlock code on our website. I'd like to thank you for bringing the need for this to our attention.
Thanks again for taking the time and sending us your valuable feedback.
We hope to see you again!!
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It was explicitly said that their technical team is working on a developer version of the phone and that they will, and i quote, DEFINITELY, provide bootloader unlock code on their website.
That is a really great response. Thanks amazon.

v6ser said:
As we know, Amazon never released an official way to unlock the bootloader on their devices.
I'm pretty sure a lot of their customers have requested the same thing over and over, but what i'm not sure of is if anyone got a response from their "customer help" like mine.
The other day, I sent my 2nd request regarding the bootloader unlock, kernel sources and "system_core" patches they'd released for Kindle Fire HD and HDX, the answer was being already a lot more interactive then my first response(props to that).
They replied saying that "Kernel source codes weren't available at this time", and that they had forwarded my suggestion to its developer team, but i noticed the employee forgot to mention the bootloader unlock part, which for me was of utter importance.
So again i contacted them, via the reply option we get when we send feedback, in order to continue the last question and asked about the bootloader unlock.
This is the full reply i got from them today:
It was explicitly said that their technical team is working on a developer version and that they will, and i quote, DEFINITELY, provide bootloader unlock code on their website.
That is a really great response, from a great company. Thanks Amazon, i knew you wouldn't fail me
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That is awesome news

This is fantastic! I'm guessing this would allow for better NFC support and maybe even a camera fix?

Vijay said:
...our technical team is still working on developer version ... When we're ready to announce developer version...
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I wonder when that will be... maybe even before Kanye running for president.
Vijay said:
we are also looking for developers who can help us to make our Fire Phone top notch
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Their headhunters are doing a bad job so far... I can think of a person, what was his name, uhm...
Amazon is a "huge" company but I refuse to call them "great".

Bingo Bronson said:
I wonder when that will be... maybe even before Kanye running for president.
Their headhunters are doing a bad job so far... I can think of a person, what was his name, uhm...
Amazon is a "huge" company but I refuse to call them "great".
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Maybe to you, but i'm not one to judge the entire company only for their mobile hardware department, which is a tiny one.
So i appreciate your thoughts but i do not share them.

Bingo Bronson said:
I wonder when that will be... maybe even before Kanye running for president.
Their headhunters are doing a bad job so far... I can think of a person, what was his name, uhm...
Amazon is a "huge" company but I refuse to call them "great".
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@v6ser, It is truly great news that they are thinking about unlocking the bootloader. Please keep in mind that not always will we agree with you and look at the emojis being used by posters. Bingo was just good naturedly disagreeing with you. Not everyone is a hater who disagrees
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Maybe to you, but i'm not one to judge the entire company only for their mobile hardware department, which is a tiny one.
So i appreciate your thoughts but i do not share them.
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We can all appreciate each others thoughts but don't necessarily have to agree. :highfive: I think Amazon is a very good company but they did drop the ball with their FirePhone, OS, and closed it to developers. Hopefully they will cooperate and give them the tools they need to help us reap the benefits of their abilities!!! I know I sure can't but I appreciate the efforts of those who can

Thats great, and confusing...amazon seems to have a split personality when it comes to locking down some devices then apparently handing over the keys to others.
A phone is different than set top boxes and tablets I guess but I thought the idea of them taking a loss on the hardware was to lock people in the ecosystem and making money by selling books, games, apps, movies, any product imaginable with the amazon shopping app (which I hear is going to be incorporated into fire tv and stick.)
Not complaining at all obviously. Just wish I wouldve bought at least one more! Thanks for the good news.

KLit75 said:
Thats great, and confusing...amazon seems to have a split personality when it comes to locking down some devices then apparently handing over the keys to others.
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They have stopped selling the Fire Phone which basically means they are discontinuing all support for the device and calling their loses. It makes sense to hand over the keys to the community so those with the phone are totally SOL.
The real shame is that the hardware is actually solid, but fire OS is a nightmare and shipping a device without the Google Play Store was just stupid since many apps are not in the Amazon store.

Moogagot said:
They have stopped selling the Fire Phone which basically means they are discontinuing all support for the device and calling their loses. It makes sense to hand over the keys to the community so those with the phone are totally SOL.
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How does this make sense at all? The phone is discontinued, they gain nothing from unlocking the bootloader.

they can clear out there inventory faster if they unlock the bootloader.

apxi84 said:
they can clear out there inventory faster if they unlock the bootloader.
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They don't have any inventory left. They dumped it all to a third party seller on ebay now.

runderekrun said:
How does this make sense at all? The phone is discontinued, they gain nothing from unlocking the bootloader.
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apxi84 said:
they can clear out there inventory faster if they unlock the bootloader.
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They don't have any inventory left. They dumped it all to a third party seller on ebay now.
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1) they gain some goodwill on Fire devices (Fire TV, Fire tablets), whereas the Fire phone tarnished the brand name. Unlocking the bootloader, letting development happen salvages some of that.
2) by allowing unlocking bootloader, those are warranty claims they don't have to worry about. Even if they aren't selling them anymore, they still have to honor warranty claims on the new devices that are sold by 3rd parties -- unless the buyer voluntarily voids the warranty by unlocking the bootloader.

This is my first visit to this forum. I just ordered a Fire Phone for $125 from who I believe to be a liquidator who received a quantity of stock to clear. The phone comes with an unlock code!

ChazzMatt said:
2) by allowing unlocking bootloader, those are warranty claims they don't have to worry about. Even if they aren't selling them anymore, they still have to honor warranty claims on the new devices that are sold by 3rd parties -- unless the buyer voluntarily voids the warranty by unlocking the bootloader.
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Well how sneaky is that! I will gladly void my warranty for an unlocked bootloader So I agree with you there.:good:

Yes. Probably the guy that sold over 11,000 of them already. Its an amazing deal if youre planning on being a prime member regardless.
I dunno though about amazon making amends to the people who overpaid for this phone last summer. In my opinion, anyone that shelled out $650 for fire phone was not planning on doing any modifications to it. They were sold on the camera, firefly, prime etc. STILL, regardless of the reasoning, its great news about the bootloader being unlockable.

Kernel source/GPL
"Kernel source codes weren't available at this time"
Umm, wat? GPL? Isnt' this it here? Or are we talking about a different phone?

Moogagot said:
They have stopped selling the Fire Phone which basically means they are discontinuing all support for the device and calling their loses. It makes sense to hand over the keys to the community so those with the phone are totally SOL.
The real shame is that the hardware is actually solid, but fire OS is a nightmare and shipping a device without the Google Play Store was just stupid since many apps are not in the Amazon store.
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Well i can understand why they did that... It wasn't from what i have heard a great device

ChazzMatt said:
1) they gain some goodwill on Fire devices (Fire TV, Fire tablets), whereas the Fire phone tarnished the brand name. Unlocking the bootloader, letting development happen salvages some of that.
2) by allowing unlocking bootloader, those are warranty claims they don't have to worry about. Even if they aren't selling them anymore, they still have to honor warranty claims on the new devices that are sold by 3rd parties -- unless the buyer voluntarily voids the warranty by unlocking the bootloader.
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Wishful thinking at its finest. Amazon doesn't care about "goodwill" when it comes to a dead device. They dumped stock and are trying to put the whole thing behind them. Why would they release something else to get a failed project's name back in the news? Specially when it is of 0 monetary value to them?

runderekrun said:
Wishful thinking at its finest. Amazon doesn't care about "goodwill" when it comes to a dead device. They dumped stock and are trying to put the whole thing behind them. Why would they release something else to get a failed project's name back in the news? Specially when it is of 0 monetary value to them?
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The question wasn't are they doing it. The question was why they sure doing it. And I answered the question. You are merely asking it again. Read my reply, again.
If you doubt this is happening, reply to the op, not to me. Because you're asking a question ("why") I've already answered quite well.

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The question wasn't are they doing it. The question was why they sure doing it. And I answered the question. You are merely asking it again. Read my reply, again.
If you doubt this is happening, reply to the op, not to me. Because you're asking a question ("why") I've already answered quite well.
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I've reread this comment about 10 times I still have no idea what you are saying.
"The question was why they sure doing it." What???

BOUNTY/PLEDGE to unlock Fire Phone bootloader

Update:
I did notice some users pledging, but didn't realized we actually got something going on, I'll be updating with an estimated pledge sum, I'm not naming individuals but at least summarizing this, the ball is rolling and hopefully the purpose of this (which is attract developers in a good, respectful and rewarding way) will pay off!
Dear Fire Phone owners:
We are looking very disorganized and scattered on efforts, we also have GOOD but limited dev support due to the quantity of Fire Phone owners and so the quantity of them that actually visit XDA is even lower.
So let's join efforts, I see @madushan1000 doing effort to unlock the bootloader and willing to blow his own qfuses for it, on his hard earned money.
If you know a developer, or are a developer, we must seek answer for the following answers:
1.- How many phones do you need to play around until you blow up the right qfuse?
(If the answer is n <= 10, I don't see why we can't all join a bounty *paid upfront* for that developer to buy the damn 10 phones ~$1350 dlls, if he gets it done on the first attempt, he deserves the remaining hard earned money solely for rewarding, and even more.)
2.- Is there any exploitable bug on the qcom trustzone that can at least trick into thinking the phone is unlocked? What would be needed to do so?
(If all that's required is a time and effort to do it, I don't see why we can pledge on a *serious* bounty and paid the developer $1000 dlls when done, if he is a reputed developer and has evidence or prior work, I don't even see why we can't paid upfront either.)
3.- Are you interested in a bounty for fixing the camera code on the existing CM11 rom? What would be the required incentive for it? (can you do it @ggow, @madushan1000?)
We should be able to brainstorm and just think in joining efforts, even if my questions or ideas are the wrong ones, hell! then just tell everyone out loud which idea or process is the right one! Let's work together people!
I just saw 13,000 fire phones sold in Ebay, what the hell?, 1000 fire phone owners that visit XDA can't pledge $1000 dlls?
If this is seriously not doable I will just delete the post right away, but let's at least seek some developers and show them we can organize a good offer, we might find some interesting results.

I will pitch in for an unlock. Not sure of amount until it happens.

The Fire Phones on ebay are still going for over a 100 each. With the new tablets announced today and as people forget the fire phone, the price should drop VERY soon... I hope. I would love to pick up a spare.

Got mine on eBay on $57.50, i hope devs can unlock the bootloader fix the camera and the NFC

Wow, I'm glad to see something like this going on. But I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to do any serious work until next month or so. My final exams coming up. And next I have to find a job.
Anyway, I'm working on a kexec module my spare time, Provided that it works, We can start developing a boodloader unlock. People with already bricked phones might be able to help too by trying to unbrick their phones following something like this http://www.androidbrick.com/ultimate-qualcomm-snapdragon-unbrick-guide-snapdragons-are-unbrickable/ . If someone finds a working method it would help very much for the development.
As per hal issues I proposed to have tow sets of libraries on the rom to bypass the amazon liblog.so issues. May be @ggow is working on it? I don't have to proper knowledge about android build system to do it, or the resources.

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Wow, I'm glad to see something like this going on. But I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to do any serious work until next month or so. My final exams coming up. And next I have to find a job.
Anyway, I'm working on a kexec module my spare time, Provided that it works, We can start developing a boodloader unlock. People with already bricked phones might be able to help too by trying to unbrick their phones following something like this http://www.androidbrick.com/ultimate-qualcomm-snapdragon-unbrick-guide-snapdragons-are-unbrickable/ . If someone finds a working method it would help very much for the development.
As per hal issues I proposed to have tow sets of libraries on the rom to bypass the amazon liblog.so issues. May be @ggow is working on it? I don't have to proper knowledge about android build system to do it, or the resources.
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- Bypassing the liblog issues unfortunately is only one part of the problem - that in itself is tricky to do. A mega amount of changes required to the android stack.
- The camera issues require the HAL source code from Amazon or they need to be written from scratch.
- I am currently looking into what can be done about the camera. I have started looking at the binaries to see if they can be patched.
- I have also been studying the bootloaders, @madushan1000 I'll message you separately when I have a spare moment.

Thanks, I'll try to help you with the hal stuff in the future.

We should see a flood of people joining this forum due the eBay sales. 120 plus a year of prime was what made me buy. I'd pitch in a bit if it were unlocked. After tax and shipping, the phone has only cost me $31. Better than a Windows phone as a spare I would surmise even without seeing my package delivered yet.. Should be here any minute from USPS.

And I'm still driving this to get more people to say I'm up with $XX for the bounty, seriously no one was replied with a quantity WTF?
If anyone is reading this and still doesn't understand, a "bounty" is to get your offering of money for our developers @madushan1000 and @ggow for helping us get our Fire Phones with an unlocked bootloader or with a decent camera on CM11
Example: I'm in with $30 for the bounty

count me on $20 for bootloader unlock

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I needed prime and a phone and made an impulse decision I immediately regretted after I learned there is a locked bootloader. Put me in for 20.
Also, I have a small coffee roasting shop and if either of you devs are coffee drinkers send me a pm me and I'll ship you some good stuff. That's not a bounty, it is an effort to increase productivity.

I'm in for $20 if somebody can handle this. I'd like to have a solid phone to hack on that's not my main.

I pledge 20.00 US dollars to this.
Sent from my Fire Phone using XDA Free mobile app

I'll pledge 100 for an unlock bootloader.

I will throw in $20

I through in 30$ i am looking forward to it ?

I will throw in a new phone with prime and $100.

i will throw in $20 and been waiting for it

I would give another $20. It looks like Amazon has no plans for it. I emailed them a few days ago:
" Hi,
I understand that you want us to provide the steps to Unlock the bootloader for your Fire Phone device.
I'd like to bring to your kind attention that unlocking your phone’s bootloader will cause you to lose all the data from your phone and voids your phone's warranty. That is the reason why currently we don't have plans of releasing a bootloader unlock for the fire phone.
However, I've forwarded your message to our development team for consideration as we make further improvements. Customer feedback like yours is very important in helping us improve the Fire phone experience."

Verizon Note 4 Rooted!! Check description

As I was searching the Internet today I came across this! Can anyone verify it??
http://www.usoftsmartphone.com/t410056.html

For some reason I have my doubts about this. Not just that, but there is no link anywhere, just screenshots, which can be easily faked. This kind of thing happens in the gaming console arena all the time. People just do it for attention. Until a recognized developer we KNOW (on here preferrably......hsbadr????) can confirm this, Im going to rule it as fake.

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For some reason I have my doubts about this. Not just that, but there is no link anywhere, just screenshots, which can be easily faked. This kind of thing happens in the gaming console arena all the time. People just do it for attention. Until a recognized developer we KNOW (on here preferrably......hsbadr????) can confirm this, Im going to rule it as fake.
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Although, he has some petty good video of startup, reboot, and maintaining root...as well as showing root checker etc. so time will tell.

The guys a FRAUD. The XDA mods locked down his thread cause he was posting lies about permanent root which he willfully failed to show verity upon request. He is only looking for attention by means of "Thanks." pay him no attention. He's a troll. lol

Farse
This looks like a waste of time...delete.

So there is no reliable system yet to root the Note 4?

They way most of you have been treating and talking about this guy, if I were him and really did have the solution, I'd say "eff ya".

plainbum said:
They way most of you have been treating and talking about this guy, if I were him and really did have the solution, I'd say "eff ya".
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Agreed. I don't understand why everyone is so uppity. What's the harm in just being patient and having a "wait and see" attitude, instead of calling him a fraud and dropping the ban hammer just because he hasn't revealed details yet. Unless we know for certain that he hasn't achieved root, then I don't think we should push him away, even if we don't like his methods. Keep in mind that there is a language barrier here also, so there may be some misunderstanding.

He already said many times he wasn't going to release it. He said it would hurt his business and Samsung would patch it.
Which translates to I've found something that will work on many Samsung devices so if I release it I won't be able to use it to make money in my business, because having a solution for only the Verizon note 4 is not going to do his business much good as he is from outside US.

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Agreed. I don't understand why everyone is so uppity. What's the harm in just being patient and having a "wait and see" attitude, instead of calling him a fraud and dropping the ban hammer just because he hasn't revealed details yet. Unless we know for certain that he hasn't achieved root, then I don't think we should push him away, even if we don't like his methods. Keep in mind that there is a language barrier here also, so there may be some misunderstanding.
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All you have to do is look at his past post. He did the same thing with an LG device. Posting he has achieved root when he had not. When the mods finally asked him to provide proof he declined to answer. When he's been contacted on his site, his number, etc, etc, he declines to answer the question and left the LG community it's in a complete disarray. We don't need people posting root achieved notices just to get their thanks scores higher. The Note 4 community it's has been thru enough already. And if it was going to hurt his business to release the method, then why release I've achieved root. No thanks, the guys a complete fraud.

I can appreciate that reasoning, thanks.
Here a genuine question, not trying to be argumentative:
How is this situation with vnmobile different than the video posted showing the Galaxy S5 bootloader unlock?
http://www.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s5-bootloader-has-been-unlocked/
It appears that this dev (beaups) does not plan to release his methods either, yet he is not treated with the same disdain as vnmobile. Granted it appears that beaups has earned respect previously, but at the end of the day the same question remains: what is the purpose of sharing the video?

This guy definitely a fraud. His real name is Ngoc Vu and he's running a business selling tech equipments in Vietnam. Let me throw a few things on the table here.
1) Language barrier issue - Nope I speak his language and had visit his website and his facebood page. Just full of shi...
2)Hurt his business if he released the root fix? Another bull sh... 2 ways he could make money. a) release the fix and collect over 20k cash from XDA b) Offer a service to root the phone with a fee. Guess what? none existed.
Summary - he just want to drive traffic to his web site, and make his business more visible to the world specially XDA where everyone interested in cell phone/tablet and electronic equipments. Case closed!

i just saw this post. And i confirmed he is a Vietnamese guys. like me. ^^
But i am so surprise, because he used the Booloader and ROM from "hsbadr" of XDA forum.
- This is the post of HERO "hsbadr" (By hsbadr, Recognized Developer / Recognized Contributor on 13th August 2015, 10:46 PM) : http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...nt/firmware-safe-upgrade-to-lollipop-t3178148
------------------------AND this the post of the guy in Vietnam ^^ (it was 31-10-2015, 06:02 PM ) . in Asia country like Vietnam, the Day is first, then the Month. So his video was Oct 31,2015. After "hsbadr" released his tutorial. ^^ i wish i can upload photo for you guys.
http://vietfones.vn/forum/showthread.php?1047158
This: "N910VVRU2BOG5 - Android 5.0.1 : Fri, 31 Jul 2015" is f-u-c-king fake ^^
Pls Forgive him!!!