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Motorola Bootloader Petition (>10K sigs & Moto Response)

Visit Groubal and sign the petition: http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
Retweet: http://twitter.com/#!/ibproud/status/52265679990169600
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/unlockmoto
UPDATE (14th June 2011):
We are now over the 10,000 mark.​
I have now spoken with Motorola and gotten confirmation that Motorola plan to unlock every device that will get an update in the second half of this year. This will include maintenance & firmware updates, but is still subject to Carrier approval.
The promising sign is that Verizon has already allowed Motorola to unlock a device on their network, the Xoom, which utilizes the unlockable/re-lockable model that Motorola intends on using across their devices.
I'm still looking to work with Motorola in the coming months to help see if we can make this a smooth process for Motorola and the community.
You can read the article here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/06/14/an-u...witter&utm_campaign=Feed:+ausdroid+(Ausdroid)
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
UPDATE (26th April 2011):
We are now at ~8,700 mark.​
Motorola has now responded to me, stating that they are looking at unlocking bootloaders across their devices late 2011.
The article for the story can be found here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/04/26/the-little-aussie-taking-on-motorola-u-s/#more-8184
We're still seeking clarity around whether this will be for current devices or only future devices.
I couldn't have gotten this far without the support of everyone here. You guys and girls have been a huge support and help me turn this snowball into a wrecking ball.
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
Previous Update (4th April 2011):
We are now at ~7600 mark.​
We're starting to slow down from our initial boom, so I have now set up a Facebook page to see if we can wrangle in some supporters that don't use Twitter or XDA.
I will need your help getting this out there. So share the facebook page where you can.
I'm also looking to see if anyone is interested in helping me Moderate the page. Please PM if you are.
Original Post:
Hi All,
I have created a Groubal (online petition) to get a response from Motorola on it's bootloader policy.
>>This petition started for the Atrix, but I made sure that it was for Motorola's overall Bootloader Policy. I have reached 200 signatures in 2 weeks, but now believe it's time to expand this out of the Atrix space and into the larger Motorola Dev community.

Just signed the petition.

It could be me but non of your links work
How could you sign the petiton dedraks?

spamnco said:
It could be me but non of your links work
How could you sign the petiton dedraks?
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Thanks for the heads up on that. I'll be more careful when copying and pasting links.

Let's try this:
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/

spamnco said:
It could be me but non of your links work
How could you sign the petiton dedraks?
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Use this shor link: http://4by.in/4

Not that it'll make any difference but your petition is more likely to be taken seriously if comments like that of 'rich fraley' weren't included.
Signed, at length...

Step666 said:
Not that it'll make any difference but your petition is more likely to be taken seriously if comments like that of 'rich fraley' weren't included.
Signed, at length...
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Yeah, agreed. I tried seeing if I could at least censor the comment, but no dice.
Thanks for you're support guys. I've always been a big fan of the saying "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar".

Famous idea. You got the sign.

i have signed

Not to kill the cause... but the issue isnt really with motorola... Isnt it with the service providers who would rather have the bootloaders on the phones locked so they can sell us services we could install for free... ie Wi-fi Calling, Tethering..
I think Motorola's hands are tied.. their customers are the service providers.
Would it make more sense to harass t-mobile and the likes over this?

Signed as well.

ketonkss4 said:
Not to kill the cause... but the issue isnt really with motorola... Isnt it with the service providers who would rather have the bootloaders on the phones locked so they can sell us services we could install for free... ie Wi-fi Calling, Tethering..
I think Motorola's hands are tied.. their customers are the service providers.
Would it make more sense to harass t-mobile and the likes over this?
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On all phones that have locked and encrypted bootloaders, I don't think there's been one that couldn't be rooted. Once rooted, you have access to all the Tethering and WiFi Calling apps out there. So it could be the case, but all unlocking the bootloader does is let you use custom kernels that form the base of alternative roms. So bloatware be damned, it can removed fairly quickly and without even touching the bootloader.
It would be more for warranty claims, that's why the padlock picture on the very first screen's the way to go. That way if a phone is damaged due to modification, the carrier/manufacturer can turn you away due to voided warranty.

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i am looking into the legal side of the locked bootloader to see if theirs any loop holes in locking a phone when the manufacture is part of the open handset alliance
but i think the fastest way of the bootloader being unencrypted is to put up a cash reward for the person that unlocks it.
maybe if we can raise £1000 it might spur someone on to go the extra mile

ketonkss4 said:
Not to kill the cause... but the issue isnt really with motorola... Isnt it with the service providers who would rather have the bootloaders on the phones locked so they can sell us services we could install for free... ie Wi-fi Calling, Tethering..
I think Motorola's hands are tied.. their customers are the service providers.
Would it make more sense to harass t-mobile and the likes over this?
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So why is my unlocked/un-branded Defy that is in no way tied to any network also cursed with a locked bootloader?
And if the networks are demanding it, how come not every manufacturer is crippling their handsets in this way?
This is a decision Motorola have made, no-one else.

#UnlockMoto
Thanks :-D
You can also join the #UnlockMoto campain and spread the word on social media networks like Twitter as well as on modding forums and such.
Start by joining the #UnlockMoto Campain for Motorola Unlocked Bootloaders! here: http://twb.ly/UnlockMoto.
Then read: http://bit.ly/UnlockMotoPage

done, signed

signed!!!

Just signed.

adlx.xda said:
Thanks :-D
You can also join the #UnlockMoto campain and spread the word on social media networks like Twitter as well as on modding forums and such.
Start by joining the #UnlockMoto Campain for Motorola Unlocked Bootloaders! here: http://twb.ly/UnlockMoto.
Then read: http://bit.ly/UnlockMotoPage
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Thanks for posting dude, i've been sending out a tweet for the 2 causes.
Retweet:
http://twitter.com/#!/ibproud/status/50306686350655488

Write to Motorola to Request for An Unlocked Bootloader

I know it doesn't sound very good, but what does it cost you to register an account and make a post...?
https ://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/62548
To whom it may concern,
I'm writing to ask for your favor - Please provide us, some enterprising Defy (MB525) owners, a way to unlock the bootloader.
Rationale:
1. You are providing means to unlock the bootloader on many newer devices already, and it shouldn't cost you much to provide us a mean to unlock the Defy as well.
2. The warranty of many of our Defy devices is expiring, so even if we brick our devices, we couldn't file a warranty claim anyway.
3. The Defy is the 2nd most popular devices running CyanogenMod according to http ://stats.cyanogenmod.com/, so we have a huge following.
4. If you allow us to unlock the bootloader, we will consider it as a gesture of goodwill and will be more willing to recommend our families and friends to buy Motorola devices in future.
5. Many other manufacturers have started to unlock their bootloaders and by comparison, Motorola is doing very poorly and has a bad image in our mind.
6. Many of us bought the Defy without any carrier subsidy.
7. Come on! Give us a Christmas gift, okay?
Thanks very much for your attention.
A Defy Owner
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Thats like writing to the president. 0% progress

Well at least we can say we tried.

defy_owner said:
I know it doesn't sound very good, but what does it cost you to register an account and make a post...?
https ://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/62548
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I hate these posts about "Motorola unlocking bootloader". I'm not sure many know, but Mororola is fine with unlocking the bootloader, it is the carrier that isn't.

Sony Ericsson

That statistic does show thought, that nearly 49000 defy owners are dissatisfied with the stock rom, that should be something for them to look at.

they cant update their product
and wont even let us do it ourselves, what kind of logic is that?
so its the carriers problem yes? why aren't the unlocked (no carrier plan) with an open bootloader? use your brain will ya

BravoMotorola said:
I hate these posts about "Motorola unlocking bootloader". I'm not sure many know, but Mororola is fine with unlocking the bootloader, it is the carrier that isn't.
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Many of us Defy owners outside of the US bought the phone without any carrier subsidy.
US <> The world.
Thx.
And read pt.6, BTW.

Comeon, if we have a 100-page thread that may do something.

100 page thread on Motorola's peer to peer support forum = waste of time

Compel Moto through law to unlock bootloaders

Hi guys,
The project cheesecake thread is meant strictly for develpment where it is being researched how to unlock the bootloader of Defy. Hence anything other than dev should be kept outside or the thread gets spammed!
Lets continue the discusion here. I will try my best to keep updating the status here once a day. But owing to my schedule that may not be possible at times!
How and why to sue?:
We as owners of the device got full right for it and Moto by locking away the bootloaders is keeping us from using our device to the fullest! A detailed discussion is here in Moto forum which is worth a read.
See 47 CFR Sec. 15.21." in Page 63 of this document.
26-7: In India we may approach Consumer Forum.
Spamming links:
You can mention how much the Defy/Defy+ is used for dev and show this link to CM status (jordan/umts_jordan leads!)
Motorola community discussion for unlocking bootloader.
Facebook page and this post there

I think that we should try to interest some institution in the European Union. European Union draws attention to the rights of consumers. And the locked bootloader restricts the rights of users. We have "open" system - Android, bu we can use only versions from Motorola. The European Union may request Motorola to unlock the bootloader.

All these suing Motorola conversations are bs.
Motorola created device and sells it as is. Not being able to install latest and greatest does not restrict you to use phone's advertised features.
You can gain absolutely nothing by suing Motorola, because there is nothing illegal in not offering an ability to unlock bootloader. Not in Europe, not in India, China, etc.
yackoo said:
I think that we should try to interest some institution in the European Union. European Union draws attention to the rights of consumers. And the locked bootloader restricts the rights of users. We have "open" system - Android, bu we can use only versions from Motorola. The European Union may request Motorola to unlock the bootloader.
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aed0101 said:
You can gain absolutely nothing by suing Motorola, because there is nothing illegal in not offering an ability to unlock bootloader. Not in Europe, not in India, China, etc.
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Ok, but what about the public promise - Motorola said they will remove the lock. This kind of announcement could encourage many users to purchase products of Motorola. But bootloader are still locked - the company deliberately misled customers. It is an unlawful act (providing false information about a product, which may affect the decision to purchase). Anyone who bought a Motorola product after the bootloader announcement, you may feel cheated.

yackoo said:
Ok, but what about the public promise - Motorola said they will remove the lock. This kind of announcement could encourage many users to purchase products of Motorola. But bootloader are still locked - the company deliberately misled customers. It is an unlawful act (providing false information about a product, which may affect the decision to purchase). Anyone who bought a Motorola product after the bootloader announcement, you may feel cheated.
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Do you have any copy of the public promise?! Will add it to the first post

Excellent.
Go ahead you are with us!

yackoo said:
Ok, but what about the public promise - Motorola said they will remove the lock. This kind of announcement could encourage many users to purchase products of Motorola. But bootloader are still locked - the company deliberately misled customers. It is an unlawful act (providing false information about a product, which may affect the decision to purchase). Anyone who bought a Motorola product after the bootloader announcement, you may feel cheated.
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Jep, this makes far more sense to me than suing just because the bootloader is locked. Motorola is not the only brand that sells locked devices.
Also, if this still doesn't work, maybe talking to Google about the broken promise would help since they own Motorola now and they seem to have a more "open" policy than Motorola.

yackoo said:
Ok, but what about the public promise - Motorola said they will remove the lock. This kind of announcement could encourage many users to purchase products of Motorola. But bootloader are still locked - the company deliberately misled customers. It is an unlawful act (providing false information about a product, which may affect the decision to purchase). Anyone who bought a Motorola product after the bootloader announcement, you may feel cheated.
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The public promise has no legal value. You can't sue Motorola for that, niether can you sue them for not unlocking the bootloader as Aed0101 said.
Regarding the law, they are in their full right and this class-action lawsuit idea will go nowhere at all. Just cut all this bull**** about the locked bootloader and move on...
Trust me, i want the bootloader unlocked just as much as you do. Either we do it ourselves eventually, either we never have one. End of story.
Motorola Defy, CM7 @ 1Ghz + CM9 multiboot
[Guide] Install double boot CM7 + CM9
[Guide][Root needed] Unsimlock your Defy
[Mod/Fix][APP]Messaging apps with ENTER button enabled!

Wow! You mean to tell me you know every obscure law regarding consumer products in every country that Motorola sells it's products? I'm impressed!
If someone thinks that they can find a crack in Moto's armor, let them. Who knows what we can gain by it. They just want to find a way to help our devs but maybe, don't know how to program.

crakeron said:
The public promise has no legal value.
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I can't agree with that. We are talking about important functionality. Imagine, that the manufacturer says "next update will add feature X". You are looking for a device with such a function and you select Motorola - because he has to have this feature. After a while Motorola forget about the "problem". This is not a promise made by Mr. Smith, but by a huge corporation. It's a big difference.

yackoo said:
I can't agree with that. We are talking about important functionality. Imagine, that the manufacturer says "next update will add feature X". You are looking for a device with such a function and you select Motorola - because he has to have this feature. After a while Motorola forget about the "problem". This is not a promise made by Mr. Smith, but by a huge corporation. It's a big difference.
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I agree with this comment!

Motorola has said they will start releasing tools to unlock bootloaders for its devices, started with Photon Q
http://androidcommunity.com/motorola-finally-unlocking-bootloaders-for-real-this-time-20120726/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=Connectandroid
S3nt fr0m my D3fy/w1u1 GB st4BL3

Motorola photon Q has boot loader unlocked..motorola announced

Maybe moto will say something like Defy is too old well only unlock new phones... motorola style loll

It has nothing to do with legal knowledge. It´s just common sense. Unfortunately, not everybody have it.
I guess the only way to gain something (if possible at all) is contacting both Motorola and Google.
visualist6x6 said:
Wow! You mean to tell me you know every obscure law regarding consumer products in every country that Motorola sells it's products? I'm impressed!
If someone thinks that they can find a crack in Moto's armor, let them. Who knows what we can gain by it. They just want to find a way to help our devs but maybe, don't know how to program.
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yackoo said:
Ok, but what about the public promise - Motorola said they will remove the lock. This kind of announcement could encourage many users to purchase products of Motorola.
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Moto never "promised" anything to unlock booloaders. In 2011 they said:
"In terms of your question – we completely understand the operator requirement for security to the end user, and as well, want to support the developer communities desire to use these products as a development platform. It is our intention to enable the unlockable/relockable bootloader currently found on Motorola XOOM across our portfolio of devices starting in late 2011, where carriers and operators will allow it.”​
So, just an Intention to unlock where carriers and operators allow it. Trust me, a law suit is useless.
nidhish91 said:
Motorola has said they will start releasing tools to unlock bootloaders for its devices, started with Photon Q
http://androidcommunity.com/motorol...?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=Connectandroid
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Now this is getting interesting! This announcement deserves a new topic. I advise to do some spamming here:
http://community.developer.motorola...ader-discussion-board/td-p/22108?pubid=987654

Martijn1971 said:
So, just an Intention to unlock where carriers and operators allow it.
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There are smartphones with unlocked bootloaders in European market. So carriers are not problem - unless we assume that carriers prohibit removing the lock only in devices of Motorola. But this is impossible.

Now this is getting interesting! This announcement deserves a new topic. I advise to do some spamming here:
http://community.developer.motorola...ader-discussion-board/td-p/22108?pubid=987654
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Agreed! Defy has to be the second phone on their list, and spamming the forum maybe improves the chances of getting it there
Also, contacting Google could help. Maybe post it as official Android issue? Even if its specific to just one device, I've already seen things which were specific to other phones aswell.

Motorola sucks so bad We just want an unlocked bootloader, I don't think it's such a big task for them. We didn't even ask for official 4.0/4.1, we just want our bootloader unlocked...

When spamming Moto forums, post a link to the Cyanogenmod install stats page so they can see that Defy is in top 5 in all time installations of CM

Petition posted to Change.org to unlock the bootloader.

I figured there was already a petition to unlock the bootloader, but I didn't find one.
So, I made a petition.
You can find it here:
https://www.change.org/p/amazon-com...re-phone-to-allow-custom-roms-to-be-installed
Please vote!

XR01 said:
I figured there was already a petition to unlock the bootloader, but I didn't find one.
So, I made a petition.
You can find it here:
https://www.change.org/p/amazon-com...re-phone-to-allow-custom-roms-to-be-installed
Please vote!
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Thank you for the support! There are 65 signatures so far. I am going to re-write the petition to make it more organized, clearer, and more convincing. If anyone has recommendations on what to include, please let me know. I will take out the criticism of the Fire Phone, and move it toward opening the Fire Phone to the opportunity for an extended life and appreciation. Also, I will add the email of the Project Manager of Amazon devices to the petition.
I've thought of giving a brief history of the phone and adding more info about HTC's successful unlock program, and the longevity of the HP TouchPad which had a similar situation in which WebOS hampered excellent hardware due to limited applications available and later became the 2nd most popular tablet of 2011 after a fire sale and bootloader unlock.

Signed. I hope they will see it and they eventually come around. Thanks for taking the time to set the petition up.

signed !

Signed!

Thank you. I signed it.

Almost to 100
Less than 10 signatures left to reach 100!!
I have a lot of good comments on there, thanks!
I provided more details and links in the petition description, and also directed it to the CEO and Project Manager. Hopefully we get a definitive answer soon.

Signed.

I signed.

yup
XR01 said:
I figured there was already a petition to unlock the bootloader, but I didn't find one.
So, I made a petition.
You can find it here:
https://www.change.org/p/amazon-com...re-phone-to-allow-custom-roms-to-be-installed
Please vote!
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whatever you can do to entice them toward their "brand and identity value" vs. resale or obsolescence cycle would be great.

Just done it.

Signed !

me too!
signed!

I would LOVE to have an unlocked bootloader. I don't know enough about delving into the specifics of the programming, but every single phone I've had I've unlocked and loaded something on it, even if I turned it back to stock later (MyTouch 3G comes to mind...). I don't want this phone to end up like all the other phones sitting in my drawer taking up space after a little while, I'd love to keep using this beautiful hardware for at least another year!

signed, but i do not believe, Amazon will be moved. They made the phone to hook people on to their services' eco system. Unlocking will counter that and they really don't care about money, any phone sold but operating without their eco system is anyways loss to them..

Singed.

Singd. Plz Jeff Beezös, giv bootloedr and pliz gib moniiz so i can bui iPhöne 6 Pluzz.
(I didn't actually sign it, because: reality...)

up to 512
Signed:good:

Excellent idea! Of course I signed it!

I signed it too, but he could just not care at all and keep it locked.

Verizon Note 4 Rooted!! Check description

As I was searching the Internet today I came across this! Can anyone verify it??
http://www.usoftsmartphone.com/t410056.html

For some reason I have my doubts about this. Not just that, but there is no link anywhere, just screenshots, which can be easily faked. This kind of thing happens in the gaming console arena all the time. People just do it for attention. Until a recognized developer we KNOW (on here preferrably......hsbadr????) can confirm this, Im going to rule it as fake.

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For some reason I have my doubts about this. Not just that, but there is no link anywhere, just screenshots, which can be easily faked. This kind of thing happens in the gaming console arena all the time. People just do it for attention. Until a recognized developer we KNOW (on here preferrably......hsbadr????) can confirm this, Im going to rule it as fake.
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Although, he has some petty good video of startup, reboot, and maintaining root...as well as showing root checker etc. so time will tell.

The guys a FRAUD. The XDA mods locked down his thread cause he was posting lies about permanent root which he willfully failed to show verity upon request. He is only looking for attention by means of "Thanks." pay him no attention. He's a troll. lol

Farse
This looks like a waste of time...delete.

So there is no reliable system yet to root the Note 4?

They way most of you have been treating and talking about this guy, if I were him and really did have the solution, I'd say "eff ya".

plainbum said:
They way most of you have been treating and talking about this guy, if I were him and really did have the solution, I'd say "eff ya".
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Agreed. I don't understand why everyone is so uppity. What's the harm in just being patient and having a "wait and see" attitude, instead of calling him a fraud and dropping the ban hammer just because he hasn't revealed details yet. Unless we know for certain that he hasn't achieved root, then I don't think we should push him away, even if we don't like his methods. Keep in mind that there is a language barrier here also, so there may be some misunderstanding.

He already said many times he wasn't going to release it. He said it would hurt his business and Samsung would patch it.
Which translates to I've found something that will work on many Samsung devices so if I release it I won't be able to use it to make money in my business, because having a solution for only the Verizon note 4 is not going to do his business much good as he is from outside US.

spocko said:
Agreed. I don't understand why everyone is so uppity. What's the harm in just being patient and having a "wait and see" attitude, instead of calling him a fraud and dropping the ban hammer just because he hasn't revealed details yet. Unless we know for certain that he hasn't achieved root, then I don't think we should push him away, even if we don't like his methods. Keep in mind that there is a language barrier here also, so there may be some misunderstanding.
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All you have to do is look at his past post. He did the same thing with an LG device. Posting he has achieved root when he had not. When the mods finally asked him to provide proof he declined to answer. When he's been contacted on his site, his number, etc, etc, he declines to answer the question and left the LG community it's in a complete disarray. We don't need people posting root achieved notices just to get their thanks scores higher. The Note 4 community it's has been thru enough already. And if it was going to hurt his business to release the method, then why release I've achieved root. No thanks, the guys a complete fraud.

I can appreciate that reasoning, thanks.
Here a genuine question, not trying to be argumentative:
How is this situation with vnmobile different than the video posted showing the Galaxy S5 bootloader unlock?
http://www.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s5-bootloader-has-been-unlocked/
It appears that this dev (beaups) does not plan to release his methods either, yet he is not treated with the same disdain as vnmobile. Granted it appears that beaups has earned respect previously, but at the end of the day the same question remains: what is the purpose of sharing the video?

This guy definitely a fraud. His real name is Ngoc Vu and he's running a business selling tech equipments in Vietnam. Let me throw a few things on the table here.
1) Language barrier issue - Nope I speak his language and had visit his website and his facebood page. Just full of shi...
2)Hurt his business if he released the root fix? Another bull sh... 2 ways he could make money. a) release the fix and collect over 20k cash from XDA b) Offer a service to root the phone with a fee. Guess what? none existed.
Summary - he just want to drive traffic to his web site, and make his business more visible to the world specially XDA where everyone interested in cell phone/tablet and electronic equipments. Case closed!

i just saw this post. And i confirmed he is a Vietnamese guys. like me. ^^
But i am so surprise, because he used the Booloader and ROM from "hsbadr" of XDA forum.
- This is the post of HERO "hsbadr" (By hsbadr, Recognized Developer / Recognized Contributor on 13th August 2015, 10:46 PM) : http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...nt/firmware-safe-upgrade-to-lollipop-t3178148
------------------------AND this the post of the guy in Vietnam ^^ (it was 31-10-2015, 06:02 PM ) . in Asia country like Vietnam, the Day is first, then the Month. So his video was Oct 31,2015. After "hsbadr" released his tutorial. ^^ i wish i can upload photo for you guys.
http://vietfones.vn/forum/showthread.php?1047158
This: "N910VVRU2BOG5 - Android 5.0.1 : Fri, 31 Jul 2015" is f-u-c-king fake ^^
Pls Forgive him!!!