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Android on Rhodium... like on "real" andoid phone?

Hey guys!
Do you think, that android will EVER run as fast and smooth on a rhodium as it runs on a native andoid phone?
Can you guess aprox. when the time comes?
thx for answer :->

nobody can say this because all developers work on this in their free time and its their decission how much time they spend to this.
on the other hand there are many non solved problems and nobody can say if this problems can be fixed in 2 days or never.
so lets wait and see what great things devs can do in future

In theory it should run as smooth on Rhodium too I guess since they use the same kind of core hardwares such as processor and RAM.
The only thing I would guess is the drivers issues with the different hardwares such as keyboard, etc..., but as lhwparis said, the developers do it at their own time.
We just have to wish them good luck and appreciate their effort

breytex said:
Hey guys!
Do you think, that android will EVER run as fast and smooth on a rhodium as it runs on a native andoid phone?
Can you guess aprox. when the time comes?
thx for answer :->
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If it is run off the SD card, I don't know if it will ever be as fast and smooth as a genuine Android phone. I think there is potential to get most if not all of the Android functionality at decent speeds but a genuine Android phone will still probably be faster and smoother.

x10dude said:
If it is run off the SD card, I don't know if it will ever be as fast and smooth as a genuine Android phone. I think there is potential to get most if not all of the Android functionality at decent speeds but a genuine Android phone will still probably be faster and smoother.
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Im pretty sure that Rhodium Android benchmarks faster than on other native android devices already using Android Market benchmarking apps.

x10dude said:
If it is run off the SD card, I don't know if it will ever be as fast and smooth as a genuine Android phone. I think there is potential to get most if not all of the Android functionality at decent speeds but a genuine Android phone will still probably be faster and smoother.
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Not completely true. The SD card is removable flash, the internal storage is just non-removable flash. If you get a fast enough SD card, there's no difference.
Also, Android can be flashed to the internal storage of a device with some cunning through the same idea they are using now (bootloading through Haret). Take a look at the Vogue and Kaiser threads.. The devs just have to work on that process, which I'm sure is not as important to them as getting Open GL working 100%, sound, and complete battery management.

I stand corrected. Thanks. Running Android of SD memory can be just as fast.

Exactly. When you buy your next SD card, shell out the extra $10 or so and get a class 6. You won't regret it.

You mean, if only you get a very fast SD card, the whole system, including all animations and click(touch)-processing latencies will be as fast as on devices running Android natively?
I want to clarify that, since I thought it just has some serious driver underdevelopment issues (like opengl, which is widely used by it) or some kind of slower debug build. On my phone it runs about two-three time slower than on a phone with native android (and lower cpu clock, but much lower screen resolution as well)

ikari87 said:
You mean, if only you get a very fast SD card, the whole system, including all animations and click(touch)-processing latencies will be as fast as on devices running Android natively?
I want to clarify that, since I thought it just has some serious driver underdevelopment issues (like opengl, which is widely used by it) or some kind of slower debug build. On my phone it runs about two-three time slower than on a phone with native android (and lower cpu clock, but much lower screen resolution as well)
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What are you comparing your phone to? Don't look at a Droid X or an EVO dude. You have to compare apples to apples - about the closest native Android hardware to our phones is/was the HTC Hero. So that's our benchmark basically.
With that said, there probably is some software improvements, but getting a higher class SD will definitely help as well. I heard boot times are probably the most to benefit from higher class SD - don't expect miracles tho, there's definitely still some things that need optimizing - I think at present the devs aren't exactly sure what those things are
Once the major bugs are squashed certainly the focus will then be more on stability, performance and battery life. We've gotten quite a few battery fixes lately, hopefully performance will be next on the docket

I was comparing it to the nearest phone I could touch, ZTE Racer ;-)
Racer has a 600MHz clock (okay, i thought it was slower than 528 (AFAIR) of TP2) and a pretty ****ty screen ;-). But that's not one of those 1G Snapdragons.
I wish TP2 ran Android like a brand new phone one day... ;-)

ikari87 said:
I was comparing it to the nearest phone I could touch, ZTE Racer ;-)
Racer has a 600MHz clock (okay, i thought it was slower than 528 (AFAIR) of TP2) and a pretty ****ty screen ;-). But that's not one of those 1G Snapdragons.
I wish TP2 ran Android like a brand new phone one day... ;-)
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Having owned and used an HTC Hero and Samsung Moment I can tell you that the vanilla version (non-overclocked) of this build is about the same speed as the Hero. The overclocked version is faster than both when running on my class 6 card.

No Crystal Ball & No HTC Help
breytex said:
Hey guys!
Do you think, that android will EVER run as fast and smooth on a rhodium as it runs on a native andoid phone?
Can you guess aprox. when the time comes?
thx for answer :->
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The issues are drivers, drivers, drivers and null assistance from HTC. With little more than the technical docs of the Qualcomm processor shared by the Rhodium as well as native HTC & other manufacturers Android devices the developers are nothing short of being friggin amazing. It's a lot of hit n miss trial n error and we the users are the beta testers.
My initial goal of being one of many beta testers was to see whether Android is a viable replacement for my WinMo device especially in light of Microsoft's direction with WP7.
HTC is helpful to XDA developers when it helps sell current devices. Unfortunately HTC in their shortsightedness fails to see the benefit of a successful Project Android being the springboard of many to a purchase a new native Android HTC device.
So will we have drivers, drivers, drivers to make the Rhodium as good or better than a similar hardware native Android device is a question no one can answer definitively when or if ever. For the time being, I like other beta testers will avoid phone calls like the plague, but nonetheless will have enough hands on to make an educated decision whether Android is right for them.

I dont know
My setup of Android seems to be working pretty good minus a few small bugs. Main bug I would say is battery issues. All in all mine is damn quick,and definitely faster than the winmo on the device. My winmo is trim and pimped out but still runs like a turd. It's reliable but slow. My ole lady has the Epic Galaxy S, and it is indeed fast and smooth with particularly vivid color (amoled), but I am gaining a new appreciation for my TP2 again wth Android. My screen looks pretty sharp as well. I am bouncing back and forth from winmo to droid often, but I can manage to stay in droid for long periods and not miss a beat. Waking up to my new rooster alarm sound ain't too shabby either.
I am a stickler for response speeds, and winmo out of the box blew just like it does on computers. Linux has never let me down, and now neither will droid. I would like to have a way in droid to check my 10 different email address' and not just gmail, but I'm sure there's a way. Windows' ideas are ok but their performance/quality has always just been farts upwind.
One thing some people don't think about is the apps and stuff they choose to run and the things they do on their phone, but at least android attempts to warn you of the access the app is being granted on your device before you install. Phones today have cameras, mics, speakers, communications, GPS, and a G-sensor. The only thing they can't do is taste and smell (coming soon). All in all though, they are capable of knowing where you are, where you've been, what you say, and what you look like as well as possibly being remotely controlled. Enjoy, but beware

The only thing holding us back is the slow GPU and the resistive screen.

Considering Defy, a few questions.

Hi I'm considering the Motorola Defy, sim free from AmazonUK, but I have a few queries.
Are micro SDHC cards compatible with this phone? I know some devices can only use SD and not SDHC. Also is there a size limit for a memory card?
Is Android 2.2 confirmed by Motorola for official release?
Is it possible to selectively turn off 3g? I will be in Wifi zones most of the time I'm on the internet and don't have a data plan.
Can the flash be used as a flashlight? Alright this won't sway me but it could be useful.
What is MotoBlur? and do I need twitter/facebook to set it up or can I just use an email address?
I was also considering the HTC Desire however this phone seemed very similar but £100 cheaper, is there anything I would be desperatly missing? I know this has a slightly slower processor, but anything else.
Thanks I really appreciate you taking the time to read this.

Yes. No size limit.
Yes. Q2 of 2011
Yes.
Yes. download tesla LED from market.
Don't need twitter/facebook. Motoblur is a free service. You use your existing email and it let's you manage things from website including remote wipe.
Sent from my DEFY using XDA app

Thanks disturkis4u.
Also just a couple more questions.
Is the model with white sides the US T-mobile branded model? and are the other models completely black?
Finally, does the OS affect the compatibility of certain apps ie. would some apps be for Android 2.2+ therefore not work on 2.1? Seeing as the Defy is currently behind the latest OS I wondered if app compatibility could be a problem especially if I decide to keep the Defy for quite a while.

white sides is the t-mobile version. Not sure of all black models.
There are some apps that are 2.2 only. From what i've seen those tend to be the google ones like gmail 2.2, youtube, chrome extension etc.
Sent from my DEFY using XDA app

Wait dont buy it
People arround the world reported that the earspeaker becomes unusable after from 1 day to 3 weeks
Motorola Hasnt said anything
android-hilfe.de has polls and discusions, also the motorola support forums has examples

On the Motorola non-US site there are a lot of reports of the phone sounding like it's muted on a call and only speakerphone works. Most of these are from Germany, but they have had the phone the longest. I have seen a very few on the US site. I bought mine when it was first released in the US and so far have no issues. So far. I really like this phone and would rather have to get it fixed than get another phone because I don't like anything else out there... except the Nokia N8. Here's a link to the non-us Motorola Defy forum. Decide for yourself.
https://supportforums.motorola.com/...-android/defy_non_us?view=discussions&start=0

I sold my Htc Desire and got the Defy instead, havent looked back. Only thing I miss is the online rom kitchen over at Modaco, but I see a lot of devs getting the Defy, so I'm confident that we'll see a lot of custom Defy roms soon, or at least a lot of hacks and mods. I love that I no longer have to baby my phone (I tend to break things) and so my german Defy has the best in-call sound I've ever tried, way better than the Desire, whose speaker I broke (6 foot drop onto concrete, my bad) after 3 days.
Oh and Froyo is confirmed for O2 branded Defys from Germany for Q1 2011, so the 2.2 roms shouldn't be that far away. Rumors are also circling that China Mobile will start shipping Froyo-powered Defys "soon"...

disturkis4u said:
white sides is the t-mobile version. Not sure of all black models
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That's not 100% true.
I have a Defy with white sides purchased from Carphone Warehouse in the UK - completely unlocked and un-branded.

I asked clove.co.uk about the colors and they said black'n'white were for telecoms only as far as they knew, and that there might be other color schemes eventually.. They carry the all black, that's what on it's way to me, so..
Hello, thank you for the enquiry. We think that there will be colour variants, most probably just black and white however it is also very likely that if this is the case then they will be network exclusives in the UK and only the Black version will be available for sale SIM free. Of course if this situation changes then we will list all variations on the website and offer current customers the choice.
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Wirefly has them in black.
http://www.wirefly.com/eCommerce/SpecialOffer.aspx?cid=35981_115cb3c268cb4e1dbffb6a8a2622237f

At the end of the day if the earpiece goes I will send it back and get it replaced/repaired, it doesn't really concern me that out of thousands of phones sold a handful have developed faults

Sorensiim said:
I sold my Htc Desire and got the Defy instead, havent looked back. Only thing I miss is the online rom kitchen over at Modaco, but I see a lot of devs getting the Defy, so I'm confident that we'll see a lot of custom Defy roms soon, or at least a lot of hacks and mods. I love that I no longer have to baby my phone (I tend to break things) and so my german Defy has the best in-call sound I've ever tried, way better than the Desire, whose speaker I broke (6 foot drop onto concrete, my bad) after 3 days.
Oh and Froyo is confirmed for O2 branded Defys from Germany for Q1 2011, so the 2.2 roms shouldn't be that far away. Rumors are also circling that China Mobile will start shipping Froyo-powered Defys "soon"...
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Hi, seeing as you had a Desire what are the main things I would be missing if I decided to go for the Defy, the only thing I can really tell is that the Defy has a slightly slower processor, how does this compare to the Desires?
Also I saw in a couple of online videos there is a bit of lag when using pinch to zoom can anyone tell me how bad this is?
Finally if in a wifi zone (which I am connected to eg. at home) when using the browser will the Defy automatically use wifi before mobile internet?
PS. thanks for the heads up on the earpiece problem I think I'll go for it anyway as I have been slightly put off by the Desire due to widespread random reboot issues and to me this is less of a problem (and seems less common), so if need be I'll get it repaired.
Thanks all.

The benchmarks have been pretty good on this phone. In real life I only occasionally notice a lag when pushing through the app drawer.
Wifi: assume you are on T-Mo USA and will have wifi calling app? If so it has a selection to favor wifi connect, or even wifi only. With wifi favored, mine choses wifi over 3G if the wifi signal is good. I suppose it's possible it may differ with different routers.

scrannel said:
The benchmarks have been pretty good on this phone. In real life I only occasionally notice a lag when pushing through the app drawer.
Wifi: assume you are on T-Mo USA and will have wifi calling app? If so it has a selection to favor wifi connect, or even wifi only. With wifi favored, mine choses wifi over 3G if the wifi signal is good. I suppose it's possible it may differ with different routers.
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Go for Launcher Pro or Adw Launcher. No more lag!

Sorensiim said:
Go for Launcher Pro or Adw Launcher. No more lag!
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+1 Launcher pro FTW!

Sorensiim said:
Go for Launcher Pro or Adw Launcher. No more lag!
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I've read that Launcher Pro is a battery drain. Is this true?

Higgsy said:
HTC Hero - SOLD. I'll miss you baby
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I can get a free upgrade from the Hero to the Defy. Is the camera a noticeable step up? How does it compare in low light? Is the flash any good?

Not that i have ever noticed. used it on the Cliq and never had an issue. Haven't had the defy long but I don't see any big drain by using Launcher Pro.
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I've read that Launcher Pro is a battery drain. Is this true?
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Yes imo the camera is better
Sent from my MB525 using XDA App

I'm going to order this tomorrow, just 2 more questions.
Can it handle 720p playback?
How is navigation on this device?
Thanks.

So worth it?

I have one reserved to pick up in my local store now but not sure if its worth it when I got a Galaxy S2 and a iPhone 4S.
The screen is what interests me mostly but no idea how better that is compared to the two phones I have and heard about hardly any apps work on ICS yet e.g Facebook and so on.
Anyone who owns one would you say its worth it or stick to the two phones I have?

recklesslife85 said:
I have one reserved to pick up in my local store now but not sure if its worth it when I got a Galaxy S2 and a iPhone 4S.
The screen is what interests me mostly but no idea how better that is compared to the two phones I have and heard about hardly any apps work on ICS yet e.g Facebook and so on.
Anyone who owns one would you say its worth it or stick to the two phones I have?
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I cant talk for anyone else but myself in this regard. I have had my GN for about 24 hours now and have to say its the most amazing phone I have ever owned. Colours are rich and vibrant. Camera is fast as hell and yet still manages to focus. 5MP is more than enough for a camera, if I want to take professional shots then I will take my 16MP DSLR out but the majority of shots taken with phones are for social networking sites which resizes and compresses the image anyway so it doesnt matter. Speed is smooth as running a hot knife through butter and pretty much every program that I had running on Gingerbread works on this phone. The Tegra2 optimised games obviously wont work (apart from Guerilla Bob which works great) but I think I have installed about 60 apps and games since yesterday and only 3 or 4 havent worked. Facebook and Skype both work on my phone, even video calling works .
The main problems so far are satnavs (closes or stays black) and video players. I will try a few more satnavs and report back. Video players either stop running or wont install but that will soon be sorted so I have no worrys there.
I havent noticed any of the software problems that people are reporting but with a Nexus you HAVE TO REMEMBER that it is the first phone to have the latest software and its inevitable that there will be a few bugs to start with. Thats what updates are for and they will be ironed out soon enough. Developers will quickly update there apps for compatability with ICS and new apps will be made to enhance this beautiful screen.
If you have any more questions please ask away but I would definitely recommend getting it
Mark.

mskip said:
I cant talk for anyone else but myself in this regard. I have had my GN for about 24 hours now and have to say its the most amazing phone I have ever owned. Colours are rich and vibrant. Camera is fast as hell and yet still manages to focus. 5MP is more than enough for a camera, if I want to take professional shots then I will take my 16MP DSLR out but the majority of shots taken with phones are for social networking sites which resizes and compresses the image anyway so it doesnt matter. Speed is smooth as running a hot knife through butter and pretty much every program that I had running on Gingerbread works on this phone. The Tegra2 optimised games obviously wont work (apart from Guerilla Bob which works great) but I think I have installed about 60 apps and games since yesterday and only 3 or 4 havent worked. Facebook and Skype both work on my phone, even video calling works .
The main problems so far are satnavs (closes or stays black) and video players. I will try a few more satnavs and report back. Video players either stop running or wont install but that will soon be sorted so I have no worrys there.
I havent noticed any of the software problems that people are reporting but with a Nexus you HAVE TO REMEMBER that it is the first phone to have the latest software and its inevitable that there will be a few bugs to start with. Thats what updates are for and they will be ironed out soon enough. Developers will quickly update there apps for compatability with ICS and new apps will be made to enhance this beautiful screen.
If you have any more questions please ask away but I would definitely recommend getting it
Mark.
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Thanks for the reply Mark. I love my GS2 and iPhone4s but the screen on the GN just says buy me or im just stupid with money.
Whats the battery life like?

recklesslife85 said:
Thanks for the reply Mark. I love my GS2 and iPhone4s but the screen on the GN just says buy me or im just stupid with money.
Whats the battery life like?
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Well as I have only had the phone a day I cant comment about battery life at all as its been on charge pretty much the whole time. I like to give new phones a good days charge to make sure its maximum benefit from the first charge. Will know more about that after about a week when it starts to settle down into normal life.
The screen IS simply amazing. Its beautifully sharp especially when playing back 720p movies and its got the same coating on as the iphone to resist finger prints so it doesnt get that dirty look as quickly as other phones.
Mark.

Would you be kind enough to install -
https://market.android.com/details?...251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5taWtlcnNtaWNyb3MuZm0iXQ..
Or something similar & let us know if an FM Radio app works?
Ta

Hi Mark, how is the GPS fix time and accuracy compared to, e.g., your HD2? I've heard Samsung quite suck at the GPS department. Does this barometer sensor really helps improving the GPS fix speed like Google developers explained? Thanks.

Thanks mark that is good to know. I would like to switch my gs2 for nexus. Is nexus as smooth in web browsing and overall as gs2?
Could you mesure gps precision with gps test app?
Thanks.

luffyp said:
Hi Mark, how is the GPS fix time and accuracy compared to, e.g., your HD2? I've heard Samsung quite suck at the GPS department. Does this barometer sensor really helps improving the GPS fix speed like Google developers explained? Thanks.
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Google Nav couldn't get a lock first time I used it. turned it off and back on and it locked quite quickly then.
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recklesslife85 said:
Thanks for the reply Mark. I love my GS2 and iPhone4s but the screen on the GN just says buy me or im just stupid with money.
Whats the battery life like?
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The screens awesome, much better than the retina display IMO as its bigger with equivalent resolution and much better blacks because of the SAMOLED. Having to post on my sister-in-laws iPad as my nephews playing shadowrun on it and I can't get him off it.

Mark thank you and I took the plunge and picked one up.
Firstly amazing, the screen is mind blowing playing HD videos for a phone. Secondly ICS is miles ahead of Gingerbread. Can't speak highly enough of it experience wise so far.
Google nailed it with ICS.
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@home said:
Would you be kind enough to install -
https://market.android.com/details?...251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5taWtlcnNtaWNyb3MuZm0iXQ..
Or something similar & let us know if an FM Radio app works?
Ta
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The Radio doesnt work it just comes up with a message (after the app is run) saying:
Sorry! Compatible FM Chip not found...
Fm: BC Sh:1 Su:0 Bt:1 Ht:0 H2:0 Mo: BCU
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Mark.

recklesslife85 said:
Mark thank you and I took the plunge and picked one up.
Firstly amazing, the screen is mind blowing playing HD videos for a phone. Secondly ICS is miles ahead of Gingerbread. Can't speak highly enough of it experience wise so far.
Google nailed it with ICS.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App
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Impulsiveness is the best way to go and just remember it can only get better once its been optimised and overclocked
Mark.

Please see if Spirit FM Radio app works!

PCL_87 said:
Please see if Spirit FM Radio app works!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19498339&postcount=10

mskip said:
The Radio doesnt work it just comes up with a message (after the app is run) saying:
Mark.
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Many thanks for trying that for me.
I'm starting to get disappointed with the Nexus & I haven't bagged myself one yet.
No FM Radio & No capabilities to use one
No SD Card
Google Search On Every Screen - I Hate It & Never Use It
Looks like there are volume problems
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herrlado said:
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Darn it...
Does this mean the app doesn't support the phones FM chip or is it completely absent?

[Q] Moving from Android to Windows Phone 7.5

Yeah, so was interested in moving on from Android due to (*sigh*) the poor quality phones I got (a Samsung Galaxy Spica and a Defy+. Both ended up acting like retarded phones, even if I didn't try putting custom ROMs on them - except the Spica, where all I tried was an unofficial update to 2.1, which I made since the bastards in Romania didn't want to update.) and to switch to a Nokia Lumia 800 if I'll get to, or to a second hand HTC HD2 (but this is again risky and I don't wanna end up with a ****phone instead of a smartphone.).
Now, I know there are major flaws regarding the number of apps in the market. Yet I was wondering, are there any:
-Third-party FREE browsers out there? And if there are, are there any who also accept Flash? Or even Google as a search engine. IIRC someone ported Opera for WP 7.5, right?
-Facebook - might seem weird, but I wouldn't want to use the People Hub for the Facebook integration, I'd prefer to use a different FB app. AFAIK there is one, but I suppose it doesn't force you to use the People Hub, right?
-Games - and here I mean addictive ones. Temple Run might seem pretty impossible to accomplish, but stuff similar to Angry Birds should be in the store, right?
-Google apps - I don't have the Android OS, but I hate that the Android OS is being built on phone companies to whom I lack respect. Google Maps is there as well, right? And Google Plus, correct?
-The YouTube app. Yes, that one. I know that this is a major flaw of WP but because of Google. So, was wondering, is there a decent client?...
I knew there was one awesome app, but which was discontinued because it was badly built or so.
Thanks for the support guys!
Also, if the OS has other flaws, please inform me

1. Yes, but they're inferior to IE. No flash.
2. Correct.
3. Yes.
4. Unofficial google maps and G+ apps. IMO they're not good.
5. Yes, there are multiple youtube apps that are good.

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Hi,
I also switch phones from an Android to a WP. I love Android OS but had a LG GW620 that was one of the first models of Android made by LG. the hardware was very slow.
WP having minimal requirements, like iphone's, make all wp fast and fluid.
The first thing an Android user will say about WP is the lack of freedom in the OS, but when you start to use it and understand it, you will see that all is made with a logic.
For me WP is simple and intuitive, with a good custom rom becomes a great phone

There is a FB app with the new update some circles say its nicer than the one from iOS....people hub is actually pretty simple once you get used to it set up your different groups to watch over and all.
With Youtube I find Youtube Pro to be the best one it allows you to watch not just regular quality but also HD quality videos(out before the other OSes had this funtion)and it allows you to download the video to your phone.

Just moved also from Android
I use People Hub but also have the FB app on there
Use YouTube Pro and it works great also.
Reminds me
I haven't played a single game on it yet
One thing though. the Lumia 800 has what I consider a small screen.
Maybe look at the HTC HD7 or something?

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One thing though. the Lumia 800 has what I consider a small screen.
Maybe look at the HTC HD7 or something?
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HD7 = HD2 with WP7. Don't buy either, both have slow hardware. Buy Lumia 710, 800 or wait for 900 if you need a bigger screen.

What i can say is that coming from Android and iOS world, you will see and feel a fluid system that has a unique design and operate mode. WP doesnt have at all nothing that remind other OS, its just then. Its the newer so we dont have too customizations like others have, we still dont have many attentions from devs. I like the system at all lets hope that Nokia helps this system grows and then more partnerships will come but if you are tired of android and ios same face and same fluid, u will enjoy a lot wp.
I suggest Omnia 7 or Lumia 800 if u wish to buy now, of course if u cant wait, Lumia 900 will be the best option.
Omnia 7 it still a great and up to date device, the samsung 4inch amoled screen its great.
Lumia 800 has a new design and good finishing.
HD7 has a bigger screen but his SLCD has a poor display, white balances is like a ghost.

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If possible stick with either the Lumia 800 or wait a bit for 900. It is becoming increasingly clear that Nokia is the brand you want to stick with if you are going to have a Windows Phone. Their app suite is reason enough. Nokia Drive, Maps, Transport, TuneIn etc. are excellent apps. COmbine these with Bing Maps and Bing Search and you really won't see the need for Google Services. I believe there is a 3rd party Google+ app with Google making their own in the near future. I've hacked my Samsung Focus to be able to use the Nokia apps and it's the best hack ive ever applied to a phone. Get a Lumia and this willl be unnecessary.

There is Nokia Drive and Nokia Maps, better than Google Maps
As for browsers
http://www.favbrowser.com/windows-phones-uc-browser-speed-dial-open-links-in-background-and-more/

Another thing: What would be the differences between Lumia 800 and 900, besides bigger screen and weaker battery?...

EgoMaximus said:
There is Nokia Drive and Nokia Maps, better than Google Maps
As for browsers
http://www.favbrowser.com/windows-phones-uc-browser-speed-dial-open-links-in-background-and-more/
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Google Maps has more updates than Nokia Drive or Maps, and sooner or later will have street view like in the Android apps

Deformat said:
Another thing: What would be the differences between Lumia 800 and 900, besides bigger screen and weaker battery?...
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It has bigger battery, isn't curved, has a front facing camera, not pentile, has gyroscope and uses a different CPU model

Just got the Lumia 900, as my company phone, and so far, its pretty decent. I definitely like the smoothness of the OS, and the simplicity of use is very nice. That being said, I HATE the keyboard! I have been using swype for nearly 2 years, and there just isn't anything to compare with it. Also, the lack of a task manager or exit button for certain apps is annoying. Had to logout of Pandora in order to get Metro Radio to stop running. This is just day one, and those ar the issues I have noticed. To me, they're big enough that I wouldn't choose wp7 as my personal phone, but they're not big enough for me to request an Android for work. My Galaxy Note personal phone is a good enough Android fix for me.
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Btw, google maps on android is still better than ay other navigation on any other OS.
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I'm in the UK and I just imported the Samsung Focus S from the USA. I was annoyed that it wasn't available here and I couldn't see another WP7 phone worth my time - yes, sorry I also mean the Nokia Lumia 800.
No front facing camera on a phone in 2012 (especially a supposed flagship phone)
So, here's my take on WP7... it's gorgeous, very slick and beautiful... so much of it makes sense... But...
The 'but' is a big one...Basically, it's not quite ready. Little things that I took for granted coming from Android basically suck on WP7. And let me be clear, I thought Android was a horrible mash of different bits welded together!
So, the People hub, it's fantastic... the Facebook Chat integration blows big time! I use Facebook Chat(Messenger on Android) to talk to my wife during the day and she is constantly sending me pics of our daughter. No, WP7 sees you as offline on the website and therefore will not submit a message. Pictures come in as links to the website. Not the mobile site, the full website which when you zoom DRAGS the screen to the left like its attached to a bloody rubber band!
It gets worse when you venture into the FB app itself. Pictures in Messager view do not even show up. You end up with a blank message. I have yet to receive an alert in the app. The app loads constantly. It's not just the FB app that does this. Supposed apps that are running under screen lock (is this a numpty way of saying 'in the background'??!) still come up with a big splash screen when you flick back through the task switcher.
This all makes this experience very frustrating. Application resuming is sloooowwwww!
No turn by turn directions and maps
IE9 is not fantastic, but it's ok
So, all this actually makes me miss Android. I am so bitterly disappointed that after 3 days I'm tempted to sell the phone on. I thought I could ride out the wait for WP8, but I really can't. I'd rather go back to my old, rather slow and inadequate HTC Desire at this point. And it hurts... because everything else is so beautiful. The Focus S is a beautiful device. The OS is buttery smooth and is so polished in it's presentation... but... the but is the killer here.
Don't know if I can stick it out... I'm crushed. Maybe I just got too far into the Google echo system?

I think that WP OS is designed to poeple who really wants to experience a unique and different system. Off course moving from iOS or Android u will notice that a lot of settings arent available. Its still growing, if we remember NoDo and how Mango growed...i think Apollo will come with a great evolution, im sure that MS is working hard, the thing is, they really dont want to copy nothing from other OS, they still wanna do an unique OS. The lack of products with WP causes lack of people developing to it and also giving a feedback to MS and im sure this is the point that MS miss a lot and then they have to build something that they believe and not that people are asking.
I like very much my Omnia 7, dont miss or die for a feature settings, off course i will be glad if had more app and games but the system is good, fluid and responsive and im sure to a touch phone this are the main concern.

I am using Google calender, contacts and Mail and its working perfect with Android. How are these things under wp7?
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groovinroovin said:
I am using Google calender, contacts and Mail and its working perfect with Android. How are these things under wp7?
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x2 - this is the personal experience I want to hear about.

Is this a good budget phone?

I am looking forward buying a budget Android phone. I am looking at Nokia 6.1 and maybe a Moto G6. Does this phone have any sort of frustrating issues? There seem to be a lot of people complaining that this Nokia can crash or stop working on Amazon reviews.

Nah! No issues if you don't mess with the phone like rooting, unlocking bootloader or other stuff. Moreover, Nokia guys are really helpful if you get any issues.

Hey brother. I am from India and using ta1089 (nokia 6.1 Indian varient) from last 3 months. I will simply say don't buy this phone
Its quite laggy, poor camera and wrost system stability. Ui crashes very often. Phone freezes on opening camera and except durability, there's nothing good in this device. Please reply me with anything specific u would like to know.

It looks as if you are not in the UK then it's ok. We have problems with the "regular" Android One updates here in the UK as according to the Nokia tech guys the carriers here, the government here and everybody else is to blame for the uk phones not getting the updates.
Someone has found a workaround but all the Nokia people will tell you is to be patient. The phone itself is generally ok btw

TA-1068 - this is the most flawless device i have used in 10 years of Android phones (more than 15, different makes). Most problems come from inadequate usage, no matter the phone make.

Another TA-1068 user. No problems at all. The phone has been a pleasure to use. The camera is just OK, everything else has been great.

bo6o said:
TA-1068 - this is the most flawless device i have used in 10 years of Android phones (more than 15, different makes). Most problems come from inadequate usage, no matter the phone make.
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Uhm, with the TA-1050 we had no updates and bluetooth which kept dropping out for moments. Nothing to do with "inadequate usage". If Nokia (or HMD) sort this out in the UK then this phone will be like my favourite ever phone, the Nexus 5x. And if they simplify unlocking bootloader and releasing source code will be even better

TA 1043 phone is good, but the camera is sometimes laggy.. if i had the choice again i take the Moto G6 plus

So far its been fine
Im using the 1045 US variant. Its reliable, performs well. I had the camera and launcher issues but once i changed the camera apk (Nokia 7 Plus) and launcher (nova) things are fine. If your in the UK, and have a few extra quid i think the G6 plus or the nokia 7 plus would be the way to go....

john.r.m said:
Im using the 1045 US variant. Its reliable, performs well. I had the camera and launcher issues but once i changed the camera apk (Nokia 7 Plus) and launcher (nova) things are fine. If your in the UK, and have a few extra quid i think the G6 plus or the nokia 7 plus would be the way to go....
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Where van i het Nokia 7 plus camera app?

This phone's one and only gimmick is the nfc, the mi a1 outperforms it and the a2 outperforms it two times.
I got the july update and after a customer support adviced "softreset" it's kinda ok (let's say).
Otherwise typical sd6xx no matter how many ram; laggy keyboard, delayed app start, low call audio quality while having full signal, and a camera software screwed up in gargantuan proportions. If you have some experience with nexus phones, stop looking for them in this model, buy a pixel, even the first pixel is better than this.
If you want to talk, whatsapp and candycrush casually, this is your phone.

EricH7001 said:
Where van i het Nokia 7 plus camera app?
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