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Do you recommend us to buy HTC Desire?

I am thinking of upgrading from x1 to HTC desire.
But i have read the various problems in various threads about HTC Desire and am having second thoughts.
Do you (current owners of desire) recommend us (potential owners) to buy HTC Desire?
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redrazr7791 said:
1 - Loud enough that I almost dropped it when I turned it on
2 - Beats the iPhone. Good quality pictures in browser
3 - Sort of colorblind, so I can't tell.
4 - Everyday use is acceptable. Besides you have the option of carrying an extra battery
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Find me the phone with no problems and I'll buy 10.

Best phone I have ever had. I tried out Iphone 3gs and HD2 ON o2 for two weeks on both sets under their returns policy, sent them back. Got the Desire with T Mobile, brilliant, great phone, great price plan. Have had no issues with it. Some issues on this forum have been sparodic and not the norm, most have been dealt with. Compare the issues with other handsets on other forums including Iphone there are shed loads of issues out there.

dexteral said:
I am thinking of upgrading from x1 to HTC desire.
But i have read the various problems in various threads about HTC Desire and am having second thoughts.
Do you (current owners of desire) recommend us (potential owners) to buy HTC Desire?
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100% yes, go and buy it now.
Better than iPhone by miles and you are not locked down by Apply monopoly of DRM and Apps

dexteral said:
I am thinking of upgrading from x1 to HTC desire.
But i have read the various problems in various threads about HTC Desire and am having second thoughts.
Do you (current owners of desire) recommend us (potential owners) to buy HTC Desire?
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1) If you are going to switch from iphone to Andorid...then initially you may feel that you have missed lots of apps that iPhone has... yes, thatz true.. you cannot not compare the iphone apps with android apps...
2) with respect to the phone.. i would say its a 100% buy... screen is excellent 100times better than iphone.. The touch screen is brilliantly done…no issues till now I am using it for past 27days... below are the few things I found it difficult...
a) I could not setup my office exchange server email on HTC desire.. but, it used to work fine on the my iphone.
b) i got the phone thru T-mobile UK.. The problem is when I browse the internet I cannot receive incoming calls.. (This problem is only when your are browsing the internet in 'G'.. no problem when browsing in 'H'). Not sure if the same problem exists with other networks.
c) Battery life is not good.. i have to carry the usb cable all the time with me (just in case..)
3) I tried to play few .mp4 files that i downloaded from youtube.. image quality is excellent but the sound output was not good (i am using the inbuilt video player).
4) Music player is not as good as iPhone... very low volume compared to iphone... supplied ear phones are very big in size for my ears..

thanks!! am planning to change sometime in a weeks time,
with so many threads on problem with HTC desire, that was making me doubt my decision!!
please also tell any one feature u like most about it

I've been wondering the same thing. Lots of posts about issues etc.
Can anyone advise on these:
1. Low speaker / ringer volume
2. Poor Image quality on browser
(I download and view images in my job so high quality is vital)
3. Screen colour issues - pink hue
4. Battery Life !
I'm sure I'll think of some more..
Thanks

1. Never had that issue, but I don't use the loudspeaker
2. You'll get this as it's a mobile browser - stick to a PC/Mac for big images
3. Only the HTC website is noticeable IMO
4. nearly 48hrs without a charge at the mo

albert_htc said:
I've been wondering the same thing. Lots of posts about issues etc.
Can anyone advise on these:
1. Low speaker / ringer volume
2. Poor Image quality on browser
(I download and view images in my job so high quality is vital)
3. Screen colour issues - pink hue
4. Battery Life !
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1 - Loud enough that I almost dropped it when I turned it on
2 - Beats the iPhone. Good quality pictures in browser
3 - Sort of colorblind, so I can't tell.
4 - Everyday use is acceptable. Besides you have the option of carrying an extra battery

I would recommend it if you don't mind carrying a spare battery or buying an external one if you're going to use it heavily day to day. (assuming you don't have access to somewhere to charge it) As the battery life can be very temperamental although it will last at least 8 to 10 hours of light use. This may be fixed in the future to give longer battery life but you're not going to get more than a day out of this phone if you are using it for more than a few hours a day.
Other than that it's generally a very good, powerful phone. There are the odd complaints here and there but most of them should get solved eventually or can be worked around or are minor things you don't really think about / notice from day to day. Things that need to be sorted out or improved can be found in one of the threads but I've had no major problems.
The only thing I would say is as I like to have a huge amount of apps on my device so more program memory would have helped. I get around this by storing the apps I don't regularly use on my sd card using app monster I think and then reinstalling them and installing something else. It doesn't take long to do and I haven't needed to do it yet in the month I've had it so it's a minor problem for me.
So to sum up even though what I've said about the phone above doesn't seem to positive I really love this phone. The phone is good enough to do nearly anything the other smart phones specialize in and do it well. I've used it to briefly edit and access large office documents, browse the internet (including most flash sites I use even worked with a few audio streaming sites and even quite a few videos, for ones that didnt work I found apps like engadget and bbc iplayer beebplayer.), listen to last fm, record as well as download videos and upload straight from the phone, get the tube status, next train times, search, stocks, my notes, use for car navigation, listen to music, IM and play games (3d applications and games are improving and look good). All these feature I've used so far have worked perfectly for me. This is only the tip of the iceberg for me and I'll use more features as I need them. The android app market is great and still growing at a fast rate, Google apps can be very useful and are free too.
SorryI couldn't just mention one feature I use when I use so many!!!

i would be fair with you. The phone has issues like any other phones. none is perfect. HTC sucks big time in their updates ..... everybody knows it but what makes ppl still buy htc is the xda forum and the ability to install custom roms.
i am 100% sure all the minor issues you have read about till now will be solved with custom roms. but until then, we should be able to get root.
so my advice, wait and see if the htc desire gets rooted properly with new recovery image . once this is achieved, just go and grab yourself a desire as it is one of the best out there.
if not , then consider your other options. the samsung galaxy s will be out soon

neoraiden said:
I would recommend it if you don't mind carrying a spare battery or buying an external one if you're going to use it heavily day to day. (assuming you don't have access to somewhere to charge it) As the battery life can be very temperamental although it will last at least 8 to 10 hours of light use.
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8-10 hours on light use? Seriously?
I'm about to plug it in after 17 hours of what I'd consider medium to heavy use. Wi-fi on constantly, push email, replied to and sent 20-30 mails, FriendStream and weather set to sync every hour, couple of phonecalls, hour or two of browsing, some messing with Google Sky and a live wallpaper running!

I come from wimo. Traditionally feature rich but sluggish and unstable at times. Desire is my first Android. Not as feature rich as wimo, but lightning fast with the Snapdragon. When travelling home this evening, was watching a movie on the nicely colored screen (800x480), got a call, answered it with sound on the headphone and talk handsfree via the mic, and resumed watching video again, all without any hickup or problem. That's impressive. Of course, this is only a very small aspect of a phone, but it still impresses me after 2 weeks of ownership. Can't wait until arrival of 720p recording, divx support and some work on the Bluetooth stack.

Wekkel said:
Can't wait until arrival of 720p recording
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Has it been confirmed by HTC??

I'm curious about that too. I don't think I've heard any direct confirmation that it will actually record in 720p, but I've seen a few places say 720p playback.
The Snapdragon is supposedly capable of both, though.

albert_htc said:
I've been wondering the same thing. Lots of posts about issues etc.
Can anyone advise on these:
1. Low speaker / ringer volume
2. Poor Image quality on browser
(I download and view images in my job so high quality is vital)
3. Screen colour issues - pink hue
4. Battery Life !
I'm sure I'll think of some more..
Thanks
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1. Very loud - maybe a bit tinny, but like every other smartphone I've heard, the speaker must be tiny. Anyway after hearing the startup jingle, almost fainting, and then reading 'quietly brilliant' I reconsidered HTC sense of humor
2. Excellent quality, images are compressed only in 3G and I'm not sure if this happens regardless of the handset or the browser
3. This is very personal and varies between handsets-you can always have it replaced if its really bad. Personally I notice it only under 40% brightness
4. Like every other smartphone it depends on your usage. I can go very well through a day/day and half of light-medium use, but you surely can waste the battery in 6 hours of continuous heavy usage. Spare batteries are always a good idea and cheap nowadays. After a week of usage:
- very light usage: 2+ days
- normal usage: 1.5 days
- heavy usage: 1 day, barely
- worst I've done: 5 hours (heavy GPS and 3G, high brightness, installing lots of stuff)
Like in every other handset I had, I think what kills the battery is (in order): GPS - 3G - High Brightness - Calls - Sensors - File Access - etc

With regards the pink hue, I notice in the big sticky that HTC have replied to one of the posters and said they're working on it.
Personally, I didn't even notice it until I read about it here

Well i have had my desire for a week now, and i'm very satisfied with it. the pinkish tint don't annoy me, and i actually never noticed until i read it here. Other than that i don't understand people complaining about poor batterylife, as my phone is still at 20% after 12 hours of heavy use the first days, and that is with around 5-6 hours of awake time. With normal use it last at least 2 days.

720p recording has been mentioned by some HTC official back in February/March but I would not consider that a hard promise. You will find it right away with Google.

heavy use which includes: WiFi/ friendstreem /emails/ weather/ game/ download /installing and more
battery life is about 12 hours
+ display is fantastic
+ performance is great with pictures and videos (watching)
+ screen size generously big
+no problem with WiFi and networking up to now
+ you enjoy Eclaire on this hardware
+good on-screen keyboard
-still no root access so no other fonts languages yet
- HTC sense is not really that hot as it seems to
-I can can not find a grip for wrist band on the phone
- camera focus really dodgy and almost slow shooting
o. optical is not bad I don't really use t
hat much
at the end nothing is perfect
and yet I am really happy with this phone
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HTC desire Vs Samsung Galaxy S vs iPhone 4

Hey,
I am confused and i dont know which one to buy.
Which one would you choose and why?

This is a Desire forum so Desire is going to win
I would say either iPhone or Desire, as samsung in my experience makes crappy products.
Try what's best for you, if you like all the customisation and stuff, go for the desire
if you like a smooth, reliable experience, get the iphone.
try them out for yourself before deciding, people here will just try and tell you that android rules and anything to do with apple sucks.

HTC Desire if you want cool Android Action from HTC and you dont want to spend money for a silly fruit!
iPhone 4G if you want to have the best Hardware and that little apple on the case but only if you dont have to save money...

Like the first poster said... You will probably find the Desire win because it is the Desire section.
My opinion - Desire is, and always will be, my love but that new iPhone sure does look amazing. I think that if I were to buy a phone right now, I would actually wait for the iPhone, the only thing that might stop me is the price. But hey, that's just my opinion, it's going to be your investment so you should make sure that it is right for you.

Well i want to buy a phone in the next month or so and i want one which would easily last 1-2 years without becoming obsolete.
thanks for the replies so far..

Though I would say if you wanted a Desire - to go for the Nexus One instead. if you don't want your phone to become obsolete soon then the N1 is your best bet on the Android platform.

and is it because it would get direct updates from google?
Also, I try to watch youtube videos on my current phone(samsung jet) and it completely fails.
I was wondering, can 720p video be played on android 2.2?

rars said:
Well i want to buy a phone in the next month or so and i want one which would easily last 1-2 years without becoming obsolete.
thanks for the replies so far..
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In that case, I'd go with the iPhone. You're guaranteed to get updates all that time, I mean they've only just dropped the original iPhone, so I think that shows a lot.

rars said:
and is it because it would get direct updates from google?
Also, I try to watch youtube videos on my current phone(samsung jet) and it completely fails.
I was wondering, can 720p video be played on android 2.2?
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yeah because of that, and also stock android is a lot smoother and less buggy than android with sense.
erm i can't see any reason why not, but when would you want to when the screen is only 400 px high in landscape?

Umm to view the video in higher quality?

Well im going to buy a new smartphone next month and I need to decide which phone to get between the HTC Desire and the Samsung galaxy S..
I decided to go with the Galaxy S since its hardware is way better..
And they said that its gonna have the 2.2
the only thing u will lose is the Sense UI (never had it..)

This is a Desire forum so Desire is going to win
I would say either iPhone or Desire, as samsung in my experience makes crappy products.
Try what's best for you, if you like all the customisation and stuff, go for the desire
if you like a smooth, reliable experience, get the iphone.
try them out for yourself before deciding, people here will just try and tell you that android rules and anything to do with apple sucks.
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I wouldent say they make crap products, they are good, its just there crap some what home made ROM's is holding them back alot lol
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Lol I have a samsung jet and it's basically crap. And I doubt samsungs customer service and doubt that they will release updates frequently.

rars said:
Umm to view the video in higher quality?
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720p refers to it's resolution (the number of pixels) as a 720p video has 720 horizontal lines of pixels.
but the desire display only has 400 horizontal lines of pixels. So whats the point of having all those extra pixels when the screen can't display them?
You need an HD screen to get the benefit of HD video, like an HD TV or computer monitor.

But it is quite possible that android will take over apple. And I also read that htc will soon release a phone with a 1.5 ghz processor. And I don't think that nexus one is available in the uk.

atomfix said:
I wouldent say they make crap products, they are good, its just there crap some what home made ROM's is holding them back alot lol
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lol ok I meant in my personal experience they have been crap.

samac92 said:
720p refers to it's resolution (the number of pixels) as a 720p video has 720 horizontal lines of pixels.
but the desire display only has 400 horizontal lines of pixels. So whats the point of having all those extra pixels when the screen can't display them?
You need an HD screen to get the benefit of HD video, like an HD TV or computer monitor.
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Ok lol. So in that case, can it play videos direct from full YouTube website?

rars said:
But it is quite possible that android will take over apple. And I also read that htc will soon release a phone with a 1.5 ghz processor. And I don't think that nexus one is available in the uk.
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N1 is available on vodafone at least, but not as good a deal as the desire.
and don't worry about processor speeds, they're pretty meaningless nowadays.
All the decent modern smartphones do everything instantly, the only place they're going to be different is benchmarks, which don't mean anything anyway.

rars said:
Ok lol. So in that case, can it play videos direct from full YouTube website?
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The Desire can, but in really awful quality because it uses the flash lite player. If you use the youtube app you get better quality videos.
This is another reason why the N1 is better, it lets you play youtube videos from the browser without using the flash lite player which is awful quality.

Can not root the desire and install the stock android rom?
If the YouTube app is anything like the mobile website for YouTube,then it's no good.

Why does the Desire's performance suck so badly?

I'm a coder with a shed load of console and PC development experience and I've been looking into doing some dev work on my new HTC Desire.
First thing that struck me was how bad the performance of the san-angeles demo is. I recompiled it using the arm7 eabi and still the performance sucked.
So I've tried out Quake 3. MY performance is pretty much identical to this chaps:
(Because I'm not allowed to post links: Look up "Quake 3 HTC Desire" on youtube)
So at least I know its not just me. The thing that confuses me, though, if you compare it to this video of the nexus one:
(Look up "Quake 3 Nexus one" on youtube)
You can see how badly the desire is performing.
So ... erm ... WTF is going on here? The CPU and GPU hardware in the Desire and Nexus one is the same isn't it? IS the Sense UI really causing performance to get hit THAT badly?
Anyone got any ideas how to improve performance? 'Cos this is making me sadly look at the iPhone for games development again and I prefer the Desire in general but the 3D performance is just waaaay too bad

Well i really think it's a matter of good or bad porting, since the Desire and Nexus one are essentially the same in hardware.
I don't think either that Sense have anything to do with it.

The games you're looking at are probably intended for 2.2 which has a massive speed improvement over 2.1. The Desire should be one of the next phones getting it, so that's good.

Does the nexus one used to demo the performance have froyo? Will that have a very positive impact on the Desire's performance?

Strangely I thought "Why don't I turn down the in-game settings?". After doing so it was much smoother.
So I decided to see which setting was killing it. So I pushed them back up one by one. Fine.
So I pushed texture detail BEYOND what it was originally ... Fine (Though frame rate is probably around 15fps). There is obviously something else amiss.
Now I've restarted and even WITH sound its running OK.
So yeah ... I take that back ... would love to know what was going on though.

To be honest, when I looked at the Nexus One Quake3 video on YouTube, everything looked much lower quality than what I saw on the Desire Quake3 video, but it was very difficult to tell as both videos were poor.
Regards,
Dave

Also ... this doesn't explain why the san-angeles demo was running so poorly

foxmeister said:
To be honest, when I looked at the Nexus One Quake3 video on YouTube, everything looked much lower quality than what I saw on the Desire Quake3 video, but it was very difficult to tell as both videos were poor.
Regards,
Dave
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Yeah you are probably right ... Anyway ... porting my GL/DX9/10/11 engine to Android Ahoy!

Might be worth checking what resolution you're running at.
Once I set mine to run at 800x480 rather than the default 800x600 it jumped up to a reasonable speed....although it's still damn near impossible to play without decent controls

If only we had Urban Terror (far better Q3 port) on Android
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Why the huawei ascend p1 sucks!

This phone is probably one of the worst phones I have ever had, When I first looked at it I though it was slick had a nice screen, good camera,dual mikes, and HDMI out and was not a bad phone, what a silly mistake that was, This phone is a complete and utter PITA ! And this is the list of reasons why I regret this phone and went back to my s2 and why the Ascend p1 is going Asap !
1: This phone get Hot , I don't just mean warm I mean HOT HOT HOT ! You could keep your coffee warm on it ! It sometimes gets so hot you have to turn it off for fear it may damage the camera ! How good is that? The only way to stop it is to lower the clock speed to 1200 which kind of defeats the point ! My old s2 can be working it bum off and it never gets that hot ! Huawei major fail no 1
2: The volume sound quality and volume with some apps is pathetic, apparently you have to turn the radio on and turn the volume down and sometimes it fixes it !! I mean WTF ???? WHAT KIND OF CRAP ARE THEY PUMPING OUT OVER THERE? FAIL No 2 !
3.The signal ! up down.... up down..... up down ....Its like a working girls panties, Never known nothing like ! ..Fail No3
4. Internet keeps disconnecting (CRAP ROM ) Refer to point 2
5.. Updating Firmware to stock is a complete joke! All you get is version verify fail over and over no matter what build.prop you use or recovery you install, I mean whos idea was that? they should be arrested for crimes against humanity and put on trial ...Fail no5
6: no native gsm video calling, you have to use a third party app, and that's a big fail, s2 straight out the box video calling, if your on giffgaff in the uk that's free video calling, could be a deal breaker ..
7: No jellybean official update.. THAT IS A BIG FAIL ! UK Networks are chucking these out 2 a penny at the moment , my advice choose something else !
Its redeeming features are a good screen and not a bad battery life for its size and its slim and that is it ! I will never buy a phone made in china again, the best phone ever made in china was the blade which I have a oled version and its still working and reliable now, never had a problem, no phone can compete with it on price and quality and more important reliability and stability !

Also uses fake ARM cortex a9 cpu(cortext a9) and fakePowerVR sgx540(povervr sgx540) so iI guess that's why it sucks. Maybe get a case for it so you don't get your hands burnt

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Also uses fake ARM cortex a9 cpu(cortext a9) and fakePowerVR sgx540(povervr sgx540) so iI guess that's why it sucks. Maybe get a case for it so you don't get your hands burnt
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So GSMarena says Cortext A9 but they mean Cortex A9.P1 has OMAP 4460 chipset, same what gnex got, so its not fake...

Take it back, and ask for a replacement. I've didn't experienced any of these 7 issues, only the video calling thing. I don't think it's important, but I can use the Google Video Chat, which is good enough for me.
Sorry for my bad english.

swukjay said:
This phone is probably one of the worst phones I have ever had, When I first looked at it I though it was slick had a nice screen, good camera,dual mikes, and HDMI out and was not a bad phone, what a silly mistake that was, This phone is a complete and utter PITA ! And this is the list of reasons why I regret this phone and went back to my s2 and why the Ascend p1 is going Asap !
1: This phone get Hot , I don't just mean warm I mean HOT HOT HOT ! You could keep your coffee warm on it ! It sometimes gets so hot you have to turn it off for fear it may damage the camera ! How good is that? The only way to stop it is to lower the clock speed to 1200 which kind of defeats the point ! My old s2 can be working it bum off and it never gets that hot ! Huawei major fail no 1
2: The volume sound quality and volume with some apps is pathetic, apparently you have to turn the radio on and turn the volume down and sometimes it fixes it !! I mean WTF ???? WHAT KIND OF CRAP ARE THEY PUMPING OUT OVER THERE? FAIL No 2 !
3.The signal ! up down.... up down..... up down ....Its like a working girls panties, Never known nothing like ! ..Fail No3
4. Internet keeps disconnecting (CRAP ROM ) Refer to point 2
5.. Updating Firmware to stock is a complete joke! All you get is version verify fail over and over no matter what build.prop you use or recovery you install, I mean whos idea was that? they should be arrested for crimes against humanity and put on trial ...Fail no5
6: no native gsm video calling, you have to use a third party app, and that's a big fail, s2 straight out the box video calling, if your on giffgaff in the uk that's free video calling, could be a deal breaker ..
7: No jellybean official update.. THAT IS A BIG FAIL ! UK Networks are chucking these out 2 a penny at the moment , my advice choose something else !
Its redeeming features are a good screen and not a bad battery life for its size and its slim and that is it ! I will never buy a phone made in china again, the best phone ever made in china was the blade which I have a oled version and its still working and reliable now, never had a problem, no phone can compete with it on price and quality and more important reliability and stability !
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Best considering spec and price and bad in terms of official support

For me it's one of the best phones I've ever had.. I play games(heavy) on my p1 and they're very smooth!
I use heavy apps all the time and around 20+ apps are open in the background!
My phone gets warm like all other phones, not so HOT, I've experienced it just once in 2 years and that was just once. No complains on this
My U9200 is the best phone ever!
Jelly bean is finally out but hey, who cares when you've got xda? I'm using kitkat now and it's just so awesome!
One of the greatest devices buddy, get yourself a replacement soon
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I am using it for more than 6 months music and camera were awesome in this machine. High quality videos were playing without lag in fast scrolling
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Different people different opinions. However no one answered if the things that OP wrote were true?

Andrej82 said:
Different people different opinions. However no one answered if the things that OP wrote were true?
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None of them are true the phone is great, maybe he just got a defective piece. I still have this phone and its the best phone I've ever used. I would suggest this phone to anyone wanting to buy a new device
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[Q] Anyone experience with WiFi camera's?

Hello,
I'm thinking of buying this: http://www.sj5000actioncamera.com/
I've never had something like this before but I want to use it with my smartphone. For example, I want to be able to put it on my rear bumper, or tape it to a stick to check the gutters of the roof (is this correct English? ) I can then use the screen of my phone to see what the camera sees.
Also I want to be able to upload video with my phone without using a computer.
Does anybody know if this is easy with something like this? I've also seen an older version: http://www.foxoffer.com/sjcam-sj400...tion-camera-sport-dvr-p-763.html#.VBcPUvl_tUU maybe someone has experience with that?
Thanks in advance

mesang said:
Hello,
I'm thinking of buying this: http://www.sj5000actioncamera.com/
I've never had something like this before but I want to use it with my smartphone. For example, I want to be able to put it on my rear bumper, or tape it to a stick to check the gutters of the roof (is this correct English? ) I can then use the screen of my phone to see what the camera sees.
Also I want to be able to upload video with my phone without using a computer.
Does anybody know if this is easy with something like this? I've also seen an older version: http://www.foxoffer.com/sjcam-sj400...tion-camera-sport-dvr-p-763.html#.VBcPUvl_tUU maybe someone has experience with that?
Thanks in advance
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I don't have experience with that particular camera but I have a GoPro Hero3 Black. It has WiFi built in and I never installed the app or used the WiFi feature strictly because I hear it's a real bad battery drain. Don't know how it affects the one you're looking at but I have to imagine it drains the battery a bit. As far as uploading video, I imagine that it wouldn't be difficult as long as you have good data signal and the patience to let the video upload.

All SJ5000 are not the same manufacturer of SJCAM SJ4000.
There are two version of sj4000 wifi,
the original sjcam one has better video effect but not stable wifi
the third party sj4000 has normal video effect but stable wifi
Geekbuying has both of them with price of 112.99usd and 79.99usd

So there is a real difference between the SJCAM SJ4000 lister here: http://www.foxoffer.com/sjcam-sj4000-full-hd-waterproof-action-helmet-camera-p-762.html#.VBtMsvl_tUU and the SJ4000 here http://www.sj4000actioncamera.com?
As far as I can see in the list of specs is that the real difference is the WiFi and the battery (SJCAM offers 50mAh less).
But if I look at the differences in the SJ4000 and the SJ5000 there is no real difference notable, except for the wifi and the battery again. But for the 5 bucks more I guess I'd like some more juice and WiFi

I think I seen somewhere a comparison between SJ4000 and SJ5000 features, and SJ5000 was a lot better, including wi-fi support. Amazing deal for $85 http://www.dx.com/p/amkov-sj5000-14...igital-video-camera-black-339612#.VBzLH7B0z3g - and you can use all GoPro accessories!

vectron said:
I think I seen somewhere a comparison between SJ4000 and SJ5000 features, and SJ5000 was a lot better, including wi-fi support. Amazing deal for $85 http://www.dx.com/p/amkov-sj5000-14...igital-video-camera-black-339612#.VBzLH7B0z3g - and you can use all GoPro accessories!
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According to what I have seen original sjcam cameras are marked as such and are better than their lookalikes. At present the latest sjcam sj5000 plus Ambarella A7LS75 chipped version is off the market by manufacturer as it has a wifi problem being fixed. Some old stock looks like it is being being sold through other dealers though. Some say as good as gopro 3 for much less money. Gopro4 is on aussie market at $549au sjcam sj5000plus is $207au. I am buying mine with 2 spare batteries and external charger for $243au. Around third the price but certainly not a third the quality photography or hardware.

Finally got my SJ5000 for review. Hopefully will get to it in a week or so, so expect a review soon

vectron said:
Finally got my SJ5000 for review. Hopefully will get to it in a week or so, so expect a review soon
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Cool, looking forward to it. Did you order it somewhere or did some company give it to you for reviewing purposes?

mesang said:
Cool, looking forward to it. Did you order it somewhere or did some company give it to you for reviewing purposes?
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http://www.dx.com/p/amkov-sj5000-14...igital-video-camera-black-339612#.VMg6KLB0z3g (review unit). Need to get to it soon, on my review list!

Actually Sj5000 is not better than sj4000
On youtube some videos show sj5000 is not better than sj4000 camera ,sj4000 is good action camera, but blackview dv800b is better than sj4000. sj 4000 is 1080P camera, but blackview Dv800B is 2.7k camera, 1080P/60fps, On youtube you can get the original videos captured by blackview dv800b,no editing,no music,no subtitle.

I prefere the sj4000 camera

i was on trip in austrian alps and a did this video.
sj 4000 cam, full hd 30fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3syWe1iCj7Y

Lol, I'm jealous . looks like a lot of fun. I'm playing with a sjcam today.
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