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Touch Pro 2 sucks. Here is why.

Let's face it people. When the TP2 was announced it was looking like a great device and a possible Xperia replacement. Now, after it is out, I can safely say that it has both bad hardware and software. I will hang tight to my Xperia for the time being.
Here is why I do not like the TP2:
No 3.5 m headphone jack - LOL. In 2009...............
No flash/LED on the camera - Again, it is 2009 and this is a high end device.....
No D-pad or other directional buttons on the front - They say the software is optimized for that kind of use. Well, what about the 10k apps I want to install, that require a d-pad?
No FM radio/disabled by firmware - Why??? That is the stupidest decision by a phone manufactirer ever.
Same processor as the TP. 520mhz qualcom, although the TP2 has an older version !!!!!!!!! - Older version on a model that is supposed to be a successor???
TP - MSM 7201 A
TP2 - MSM 7200 A
Same storage space as the TP.
Same ammount of RAM, although the TP2 has 20mb LESS RAM available to it. I repeat, the newer version has less RAM available!!!
TP2 has a better battery than the TP, BUT worse battery life! How about that huh???
Good things:
Nice screen. (tilting)
5 row keyboard. (awesome)
Noise cancelation.
How is the Touch Pro 2 an upgrade?? It has ther same or LOWER specs than the Touch Pro. I feel cheated by HTC . My advice is - Keep your Touch Pro or Xperia and wait for the TP3 or X2.......

I haven´t tested myself
But I must agree with you!
How possible is no 3.5mm jack??
My Universal from 2005 has it and is extremelñy usefull!, of course an adapter can be found but....
Don´t want to repat all your points but thank you very much for pointing it here
Not a real replacemet for my beloved Universal not even for Xperia
Let´s hear what users have to say about this

Some good points but I disagree with:
1. No 3.5 m headphone jack - LOL. In 2009 - I never understood why anyone would want an extra hole in their device. the adapter works perfect for me and yes, its 2009, i have wireless headphones lol.
2. No FM radio/disabled by firmware - Why??? That is the stupidest decision by a phone manufactirer ever - i installed the cab and it works perfect. who cares how it comes if you can simply install a cab file to change it. All part of customizing your device IMHO
3. Same processor as the TP. 520mhz qualcom, although the TP2 has an older version !!!!!!!!! - Older version on a model that is supposed to be a successor??? - do you actually know this proc is worse or are you just saying this due to the model #?
4. Same storage space as the TP. - who cares about internal storage when you have an expansion card?
5. TP2 has a better battery than the TP, BUT worse battery life! How about that huh??? - not sure where you got that lol. my tp2 has much better battery life then the tp1
not really feeling you advice not to buy it. I had an HD and this phone blows it away in every way. just my 2 cents

mallman said:
Some good points but I disagree with:
1. No 3.5 m headphone jack - LOL. In 2009 - I never understood why anyone would want an extra hole in their device. the adapter works perfect for me and yes, its 2009, i have wireless headphones lol.
2. No FM radio/disabled by firmware - Why??? That is the stupidest decision by a phone manufactirer ever - i installed the cab and it works perfect. who cares how it comes if you can simply install a cab file to change it. All part of customizing your device IMHO
3. Same processor as the TP. 520mhz qualcom, although the TP2 has an older version !!!!!!!!! - Older version on a model that is supposed to be a successor??? - do you actually know this proc is worse or are you just saying this due to the model #?
4. Same storage space as the TP. - who cares about internal storage when you have an expansion card?
5. TP2 has a better battery than the TP, BUT worse battery life! How about that huh??? - not sure where you got that lol. my tp2 has much better battery life then the tp1
not really feeling you advice not to buy it. I had an HD and this phone blows it away in every way. just my 2 cents
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1 - Yes, having an adapter is so cool......... I want to plug my headphones not look for the stupid adapter EVERY.SINGLE.TIME.
Wireless headphones are used by a very small percent of people. Most people (like me) prefer NOT to have two devices to charge when you want to take your music with you.
2 - That is not customizing. Installing programs and tweaking is customizing. This is poor care for the customer on HTC's part and smells of an unfinished device. How would you feel if they had left out TouchFlo 3D? Or part of it?
3 - That is what I know from doing my research. If my info is correct.
4 - I do. Many apps don't work if you install them on the SD card. They auto install in the main storage.
5 - All the reviews I have seen mention it, plus a friend of mine has both phones and has confirmed that for me.
Agreed on the part that TP2 is better than the HD. HD sucks even more. You should definitely make the upgrade to TP2.

I have the following phones:
Kaiser
Diamond
Touch HD
Xperia
Touch Pro 2
and have bought them in that order - never sold any of these
I agree with Mallman: can't see the point in saying that it sucks.
I have been using my TP2 today with the following usage:
140' phone calls (onehundred forty)
20' Opera browsing
Exchange mail push always on
2 POP3 mail account syncing with 10' time frame.
Received and read over 50 mails.
Still have 10% battery left after 14 hours of THAT kind of use - just out of the box, haven't had the time to work on energy consumption parameters under Advanced Config.
Can't really see any difference with my Xperia. Touch HD has performed less.
Radio is ok.
Have a 8 GB SDHC card, with extreme satisfaction.
And believe me, I have tried all the keyboards of these phones, nothing compares to this one. Screen is superb, speed also.

IT has BETTER battery life (don't listen to pocketnow.com, they are the onlyones who are saying that. FM radio has been left out. Reason unknown, so hard to say if it is a bad decision. Does the processor id number mean it's older? Has it been released before? It's not always so that a higher number means newer.
The TP2 is actually faster (not only touch flo 3D) then the touch pro.
Maybe they should make also a HDMI and firewire connection...... That would make sense. There are really small usb mini to 3,5 minijack converters. ANd the mini usb is multi functional.
Please stop talking about the flash, there have been real flash phones, but only very little. This is because after 3 flashes, the battery is empty. That LED light, was fun, but never really used it. keyboard has been improved. Original wm 6.5 upgrade.
Looks are much better. I almost never used my dpad, only when something was to small to select. But the bigger screen and better resolution solves that. I have to admit that a jogdial (like on the hermes) would be a good thing.
So in your oppinion every device has to have a mini jack? So I think you get that I don't agree with you

quarintus said:
IT has BETTER battery life (don't listen to pocketnow.com, they are the onlyones who are saying that. FM radio has been left out. Reason unknown, so hard to say if it is a bad decision. Does the processor id number mean it's older? Has it been released before? It's not always so that a higher number means newer.
The TP2 is actually faster (not only touch flo 3D) then the touch pro.
Maybe they should make also a HDMI and firewire connection...... That would make sense. There are really small usb mini to 3,5 minijack converters. ANd the mini usb is multi functional.
Please stop talking about the flash, there have been real flash phones, but only very little. This is because after 3 flashes, the battery is empty. That LED light, was fun, but never really used it. keyboard has been improved. Original wm 6.5 upgrade.
Looks are much better. I almost never used my dpad, only when something was to small to select. But the bigger screen and better resolution solves that. I have to admit that a jogdial (like on the hermes) would be a good thing.
So in your oppinion every device has to have a mini jack? So I think you get that I don't agree with you
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I was at a club last night with some friends and it was kinda dim. My Xperia was the only phone with any kind of flash and I was the only one that could take pics. I really can't imagine anyone arguing in favour of not having a flash. That is hilarious. Same goes for 3.5mm jacks.
I had a couple of devices without D-pads (including HD for a while). I have to say that many of the apps require a D-pad or are easier to work with, if you have one.
Agreed on the screen, keyboard and looks (as mentioned in the OP).

For the lack of flash, you are completely right.
I see no point in selling phones without a flash - even a sucking one would be better than nothing.
As for me, I use these phones for my job, so usually in daylight.
Wish I had more spare time to spend in clubs during the night: would have certainly a different phone

ninja.rogue said:
For the lack of flash, you are completely right.
I see no point in selling phones without a flash - even a sucking one would be better than nothing.
As for me, I use these phones for my job, so usually in daylight.
Wish I had more spare time to spend in clubs during the night: would have certainly a different phone
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ninja.rogue said:
And believe me, I have tried all the keyboards of these phones, nothing compares to this one.
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I´m sure you are not counting Universal keyboard
That one is the best!

orelsi said:
1 - Yes, having an adapter is so cool......... I want to plug my headphones not look for the stupid adapter EVERY.SINGLE.TIME.
Wireless headphones are used by a very small percent of people. Most people (like me) prefer NOT to have two devices to charge when you want to take your music with you.
2 - That is not customizing. Installing programs and tweaking is customizing. This is poor care for the customer on HTC's part and smells of an unfinished device. How would you feel if they had left out TouchFlo 3D? Or part of it?
3 - That is what I know from doing my research. If my info is correct.
4 - I do. Many apps don't work if you install them on the SD card. They auto install in the main storage.
5 - All the reviews I have seen mention it, plus a friend of mine has both phones and has confirmed that for me.
Agreed on the part that TP2 is better than the HD. HD sucks even more. You should definitely make the upgrade to TP2.
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all i gotta say is this: have you actually used the device? half of whats written on the web is not from actual use but pure conjecture. i actually own the device and have an x1 and blackstone. x1 cannot compare with this phone on any level. blackstone has a bigger screen and that about it! when you actually use the device then i will take on board your views but for now as an actual owner i am sorry to say your research is inaccurate, my experience is hands on!

orelsi said:
Let's face it people. When the TP2 was announced it was looking like a great device and a possible Xperia replacement. Now, after it is out, I can safely say that it has both bad hardware and software. I will hang tight to my Xperia for the time being.
Here is why I do not like the TP2:
No 3.5 m headphone jack - LOL. In 2009...............
No flash/LED on the camera - Again, it is 2009 and this is a high end device.....
No D-pad or other directional buttons on the front - They say the software is optimized for that kind of use. Well, what about the 10k apps I want to install, that require a d-pad?
No FM radio/disabled by firmware - Why??? That is the stupidest decision by a phone manufactirer ever.
Same processor as the TP. 520mhz qualcom, although the TP2 has an older version !!!!!!!!! - Older version on a model that is supposed to be a successor???
TP - MSM 7201 A
TP2 - MSM 7200 A
Same storage space as the TP.
Same ammount of RAM, although the TP2 has 20mb LESS RAM available to it. I repeat, the newer version has less RAM available!!!
TP2 has a better battery than the TP, BUT worse battery life! How about that huh???
Good things:
Nice screen. (tilting)
5 row keyboard. (awesome)
Noise cancelation.
How is the Touch Pro 2 an upgrade?? It has ther same or LOWER specs than the Touch Pro. I feel cheated by HTC . My advice is - Keep your Touch Pro or Xperia and wait for the TP3 or X2.......
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Don't think I'd be laughing out TOO loudly at the lack of a 3.5 jack. In 2009 people are still using the things? Good heavens, get up to date!
No camera flash? Yeah it would be nice, but hardly a show stopper not having one.
No D-PAD? Erm...that's kinda the point, isn't it? If you want a D-PAD that badly, then of course you don't want this phone. I have over 40 application on my Vogue and I almost never use the D-PAD. I can't wait to get a phone that gets rid of the space-waster.
FM Radio disabled? There may be a good reason - too early to tell. Same was true of my Vogue's GPS chip. Took awhile to get a firmware update, but disabling it by default was the best option they had at the time.
Old Qualcomm Chip - Well, they didn't need to update the chip, did they? They saved a boatload of money by not manufacturing it with a new chip, and spent far less money instead optimizing the speed of the firmware. Pretty good deal, I'd say.
Same storage space - There's a handful of apps that require storage on board, but it's not likely you're going to run into so many of those that you run out of space when you have even a modest sized storage card.
20 MB less RAM - ok, so you have less excess than before. It's still excess.
Worse battery - Umm...no, I don't think so. You're not gonna get that one to fly. Everyone who has the device knows better.

shingers5 said:
all i gotta say is this: have you actually used the device? half of whats written on the web is not from actual use but pure conjecture. i actually own the device and have an x1 and blackstone. x1 cannot compare with this phone on any level. blackstone has a bigger screen and that about it! when you actually use the device then i will take on board your views but for now as an actual owner i am sorry to say your research is inaccurate, my experience is hands on!
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My research is about the processors. As I said a friend of mine has it and he let me play with it for a day. I had ample time to compare it to the X1. I was really disppointed.

ajbopp said:
Don't think I'd be laughing out TOO loudly at the lack of a 3.5 jack. In 2009 people are still using the things? Good heavens, get up to date!
No camera flash? Yeah it would be nice, but hardly a show stopper not having one.
No D-PAD? Erm...that's kinda the point, isn't it? If you want a D-PAD that badly, then of course you don't want this phone. I have over 40 application on my Vogue and I almost never use the D-PAD. I can't wait to get a phone that gets rid of the space-waster.
FM Radio disabled? There may be a good reason - too early to tell. Same was true of my Vogue's GPS chip. Took awhile to get a firmware update, but disabling it by default was the best option they had at the time.
Old Qualcomm Chip - Well, they didn't need to update the chip, did they? They saved a boatload of money by not manufacturing it with a new chip, and spent far less money instead optimizing the speed of the firmware. Pretty good deal, I'd say.
Same storage space - There's a handful of apps that require storage on board, but it's not likely you're going to run into so many of those that you run out of space when you have even a modest sized storage card.
20 MB less RAM - ok, so you have less excess than before. It's still excess.
Worse battery - Umm...no, I don't think so. You're not gonna get that one to fly. Everyone who has the device knows better.
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Yes most of the people still use them..... You better read my previous posts about the wireless headphones.
I have 300+ apps on my X1 and many of them require a D-pad.
I am curious about the Vogue's GPS chip. Why was it necessary to be disabled?
The part about using saved money from the processor to update the interface is pure conjecture on your part .
Again, the size of the SD doesn't matter if you have many apps that by DEFAULT install on the main memory.
Excess??? Excsue me, but less RAM means less multitasking and although the TP was good at this, it wasn't VERY good. The TP2 is worse and it is supposed to be an upgrade....
I can't argue about the battery, because I don't have that much hands on time with the device. I trust my friend and the online reviews though. Unless both my friend's battery and the ones of the reviewers were faulty in the first palce

orelsi said:
My research is about the processors. As I said a friend of mine has it and he let me play with it for a day. I had ample time to compare it to the X1. I was really disppointed.
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maybe you expected too much! this phone blows x1 out the water literally. i could write a list of all the shortcomings of the x1 but i know they will be addressed by the upcoming x2. prior to getting this fone i bigged up my x1 as well so i can't get down on you for that! however ya cannot beat hands on experience(not just a day) and no one who has both devices like me will agree with you!

orelsi said:
Yes most of the people still use them..... You better read my previous posts about the wireless headphones.
I have 300+ apps on my X1 and many of them require a D-pad.
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300+ apps? Where the hell did you get those... I don't have that many apps on my desktop pc.

shingers5 said:
maybe you expected too much! this phone blows x1 out the water literally. i could write a list of all the shortcomings of the x1 but i know they will be addressed by the upcoming x2. prior to getting this fone i bigged up my x1 as well so i can't get down on you for that! however ya cannot beat hands on experience(not just a day) and no one who has both devices like me will agree with you!
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I recieved my TP2 today I completely agree with you Shingers
I owned the typhoon, Hurricane, Wizard, Hermes, Tytn, Diamond X1 and now TP2 (Rhodium)
and this is the best windows mobile I have ever owned!
300 apps.... with that many your asking for trouble regardless of handset
Cheers
Steve

rosebud said:
I recieved my TP2 today I completely agree with you Shingers
I owned the typhoon, Hurricane, Wizard, Hermes, Tytn, Diamond X1 and now TP2 (Rhodium)
and this is the best windows mobile I have ever owned!
Also, talking from a professional standpoint,
Im a Microsoft Certified Technical Specialist in Windows Mobile, aswell as an MCSA, so I know what im talking about
300 apps.... with that many your asking for trouble regardless of handset
Cheers
Steve
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very well said! I have actual hands on with the phones in question so thats why i can post confidently and so can you as you not only have the knowledge but ownyou the phone. just feel its a bit of a farse to say this device sucks when you dont even own it and try to put people off it! i'd say sounds like he wants one but cant get it! hehe. no one can knock you for your opinion orelsi but pocket-link review in inaccurate but can't comment on your friends as dont know. this phone is the best dude and once we get some chefs on here to kick this custom thing off - watch out! wm6.5 on this phone will look and work a treat

Hummm... sounds like just jealousy...
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Corrupto said:
Hummm... sounds like just jealousy...
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chuckle, chuckle........funny! i dont mind threads like this as i think though negative it gets people interacting and talking wihout any insults. i respect everyones opinion and even if i totally disagree with him thats how he feels!

touch pro 2 running android???

is it possible to flash a android rom on the touch pro 2??? would be nice to have the hero rom on my touch pro 2 idk if its even possible

Yeah if you want to brick your phone then go ahead
You should give it to someone who wants it so bad

Dude Android is a different OS with a completely different architecture.
You may be able to port Android functions to Windows Mobile if someone is willing to do it, but it's impossible to use Android on WinMo *yet*.

ilabstudios said:
Dude Android is a different OS with a completely different architecture.
You may be able to port Android functions to Windows Mobile if someone is willing to do it, but it's impossible to use Android on WinMo *yet*.
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I think he talks about running it nativelz on the phone...
I don|t know if you can think of a phone like a pc, but basically shouldnt it be possible to run android on the Rhodium with the right drivers and the right SPL ??

im just saying it would be nice i know its a diffrent os and i cant think of it as a pc but it all really is made by htc if u think about it if someone were able to find a way i would gladly run it on my touch...i realized when i hard reseted my phone it was very similar to when flashing the g1 thats y i asked

And don't forget they both run on the same Qualcomm MSM7200A. Making the supposition that they can be ported more plausible.

It's been ported quite nicely for the Vogue so I don't see why it couldn't be ported for the TP2. I think it just needs a dedicated dev team and a big enough user base to make it worthwhile... I'd definitely be interested in seeing that project come to light!

Rick#2 said:
It's been ported quite nicely for the Vogue so I don't see why it couldn't be ported for the TP2. I think it just needs a dedicated dev team and a big enough user base to make it worthwhile... I'd definitely be interested in seeing that project come to light!
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Yes I have a vogue (Winmo device) and have been using Android exclusively on it for the last month or so - it's fantastic! The reason I lurk in the TP2 thread is hoping Android gets ported over - I love the TP2 and its high on my "want" list but can't go back to Winmo - hopefully Android isn't too far off.

I would pay for it...
Seriously, by donation or actually having to pay for it I would have no issue forking out some dough for android on my TP2. As long as i had all the functions like wifi, 3g, bluetooth, etc. My concern is that the phone may run slower with the higher resolution screen but then again the g1 doesnt run at max cpu speeds on a stock build so maybe running it overclocked(max speed) can help. The battery life on my tp2 is wayyyy better than my g1 so if running the core faster is needed i feel the battery could keep up at least on the level of the g1. Also the additional ram may help too. Its strange how even people who dont know much about phones keep asking if i am gonna run android on it. I love my TP2 but its the hardware I love and the os is good but unless the winmo marketplace gets up an running the momentum android has is just too attractive.

Greyfoxzero said:
Seriously, by donation or actually having to pay for it I would have no issue forking out some dough for android on my TP2. As long as i had all the functions like wifi, 3g, bluetooth, etc. My concern is that the phone may run slower with the higher resolution screen but then again the g1 doesnt run at max cpu speeds on a stock build so maybe running it overclocked(max speed) can help. The battery life on my tp2 is wayyyy better than my g1 so if running the core faster is needed i feel the battery could keep up at least on the level of the g1. Also the additional ram may help too. Its strange how even people who dont know much about phones keep asking if i am gonna run android on it. I love my TP2 but its the hardware I love and the os is good but unless the winmo marketplace gets up an running the momentum android has is just too attractive.
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I agree. I would love to have Sense UI on my TP2 once I get it. I hate WinMo, the only reason I'm getting the TP2 is because it's such a siiiick device

I'm happy to find out that I am probably not the only person who fell in love with the device after demo'ing one from the T-Mobile store. I have used windows mobile since about 3 devices ago, got a G1, currently running Sense-UI and loving it!! If the Touch Pro 2 could port an android build over with enough Developer support it could easily be done, just as all the rom flashing we never though would be possible for the G1 but ended up doing daily =) Spread the word and keep asking for developer support, don't be afraid to flash a little cash to make it worth their time, and the community will push it in the right direction

NO!!!DO NOT RUN ANDRIOD ON YOUR TOUCH PRO 2. This is totally different with its own os and that will destroy your phone....

Guinea Pig.
I dont mind being the guinea pig with my TP2 if someone can come up with a way of running android on it. I have a g1 I can use in the mean time. I would even consider a temporary phone donation if this gets some serious attention. Of course I would need it back eventually lol.

Limlin said:
NO!!!DO NOT RUN ANDRIOD ON YOUR TOUCH PRO 2. This is totally different with its own os and that will destroy your phone....
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Uhm, no? Android runs through HARET, which you run from WinMO, then it closes down WinMO so that Android is the only OS running... and it runs off your SD-card. I have android on my old ELF, and I've ****ed up the install so many times, I dunno' what to do anymore, haha. Phone works fine.

nex7er said:
Uhm, no? Android runs through HARET, which you run from WinMO, then it closes down WinMO so that Android is the only OS running... and it runs off your SD-card. I have android on my old ELF, and I've ****ed up the install so many times, I dunno' what to do anymore, haha. Phone works fine.
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Oh, so this is how the Android runs on the phone. I was under the illusion that I have to delete winmo for the running of android.....(I should learn more about that....)

Interesting, I had a G1 and loved Android. I would pay/donate money to the cause.It's worth a shot with the TP2.

I would love to see this too. I have been using a G1 for the past year and love Android. I just ordered a TP2 however, but would really like to get Android on it eventually.

+1 i would love this aswell

I've been thinking about starting the port (have to wait until the 26th to get my TP2 sadly) for Android. Not great with coding but good enough to make tweaks and such to the linux kernel. If there are any others who are interested, maybe we should get together and get the ball rolling? The TP version should work on the TP2 (same hardware underneath still) with the exception of the screen and CPU. Anyway, if anyone here is good at coding for Linux/hardware/IO/etc, please shoot me an email/PM! Don't really have a need for guinea pigs yet since anything we do will need to be tested right away, not whenever the next guinea pig is available

[Q] Touch vs Touch Pro - which to get

Hi all,
I have Palm Treo 700p's and want to update a bit without losing my fair and flex
family plan with Sprint; unfortunately Spring says I can't upgrade to any of the
phones that natively run Android,
I learned about flashing HTC phones running WM and have been trying to learn.
Trying to decide between the Touch or Touch Pro which seem to be the newest
HTC phones I can use.
It appears that the Touch had the best support but the developers have moved
on and the Touch Pro may now be getting more support; do I read this correctly?
Which would you recommend, Touch or Touch Pro, or is there another phone I
should check with Sprint for use?
I welcome your input
Thanks
FS

You're going to be very disappointed if you expect either of these phones to run Android natively well.
This port isn't nearly done. Perhaps the only phone (to my knowledge) that could be considered complete is the HTC Vogue - which is ironically the original Touch you are probably speaking of.
The TouchPro IMHO is a better phone (the keyboard is fantastic - only better is on the TP2 ) but does not run Android very well. Android is just a plaything, for testing and for fun on most WinCE devices.
To sum up - the Vogue & the HD2 have the most complete port of Android, with the Vogue probably being considered "completely finished" (full NAND), however... that hardware is old. HD2 is very promising, they have a few little bugs to squash and then NAND... But no HD2 love for Sprint.
Not sure how good of an Android experience it is on the Vogue. Won't ever be that fantastic on the TP or TP2 tho.... Old hardware there as well my friend

I was in the same boat. have a great (cheap) old data plan that I was not willing to give up.
I went with a touch diamond. My previous phone was a vogue.
I can say that the diamond is a far better phone than the vogue. Better screen, more responsive touchscreen, better video, accelerometer, better camera... but the Vogue probably does better with Android since it can run Android from Nand instead of the storage (SD) card.
Android is fun on the Diamond, but its pretty crippled. No camera. No speakerphone for things like GPS. Poor battery life. Too slow for any flash apps to run fluidly... Basically android on the Diamond feels more like an emulation- because that is all it is.
That said, its fun to be able to play around with android, and WinMo is not so bad for a dead OS. There are some decent ROMs and plenty of freeware still floating around. And the Diamond makes for a nice phone on terms of small size, GPS, good speakerphone, WIFI and even WIFI sharing with the right ROM.

tk76 said:
I can say that the diamond is a far better phone than the vogue. Better screen, more responsive touchscreen, better video, accelerometer, better camera... but the Vogue probably does better with Android since it can run Android from Nand instead of the storage (SD) card.
Android is fun on the Diamond, but its pretty crippled. No camera. No speakerphone for things like GPS. Poor battery life. Too slow for any flash apps to run fluidly... Basically android on the Diamond feels more like an emulation- because that is all it is.
That said, its fun to be able to play around with android, and WinMo is not so bad for a dead OS. There are some decent ROMs and plenty of freeware still floating around. And the Diamond makes for a nice phone on terms of small size, GPS, good speakerphone, WIFI and even WIFI sharing with the right ROM.
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Just to set the record straight, this project is running natively on the hardware - it's not a virtual machine, and it is certainly not being emulated in any way shape or form...
I could see how you would think that, because of all the broken/not working stuff... Well we just have to reverse engineer WinMo libs, dlls, etc and then write our own drivers basically for the different pieces of hardware.
Hence the reason new kernels come out so frequently - there's a lot of work that needs to be done on that kernel to get everything working the way it should. Devs are making some good progress lately, hopefully DIAM/RAPH will have NAND soon. I heard Neopeek was working on NAND back in August on his DIAM... haven't heard much about it since unfortunately. However, RHOD's have a partial NAND, and with the head of steam we've got going now, I'm pretty confident soon we will be up to the level of the Vogue - if not beyond it. However, the processor/RAM specs are pretty paltry compared to most native Android devices.
Sorry for the damned long post. One last question, your speakerphone doesn't work in GPS? Hrm. It should. Have you tried the newest kernels...? The autobuild service is down, but F22's been kindly building them for us...

why not just get a NEWER phone other then one that was released 2-4 years ago?

Cause after having invested SO MUCH time into running android on the phone, it's impossible to give up.. And having full control over hardware compensates for the hardware being ancient

Aaron McCarthy said:
why not just get a NEWER phone other then one that was released 2-4 years ago?
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Because moneys doesn't grow on the trees..

HELICOPTER88 said:
Because moneys doesn't grow on the trees..
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Exactly! Or I would have had a nexus 1 a long time ago... ;D

e334 said:
Exactly! Or I would have had a nexus 1 a long time ago... ;D
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and I would have had a Desire...

Worth Buying?

Hello good people,
First of all, Merry Christmas,
So I'm currently looking to buy a new phone. My current phone is a i900 Omnia which is great but I really like the HD2 and DHD. I probably won't buy a new phone for a year or two so would like something which will last.
Is there any people here that had/have a HD2 and upgraded to DHD? Was it worth it? The DHD is about $250 more then HD2 here and I'm wondering if I should get it or not. I like the tweak ability of the HD2 but have never used it so I don't know how it feels whereas I tried out DHD and was very impressed. Even if I did get the HD2 I would still use Android and WinMo for GPS, unless there's something as good as iGO8 on Andoid.
Also I read some people have issues recording in 720p, freezing while recording. Is there a workaround with this issue?
I had only a little play with Android so I'm new to all this root etc...
Thank you, have a nice day

Currently, android on HD2 is not so good as DHD, and I'm sure it's not going to, so pick up your choice between winmo or android.
I myself moved from HD2 to DHD, for finger friendly UI and newly developed apps.
Another good thing is android is both dev and user friendly, no more registry tweaks or volidate cleaning! Apps gone as you want it to, also easy to get back from market.

It is not a bad phone but the battery life sux big time. You need to carry spare battery with you.
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twosix said:
It is not a bad phone but the battery life sux big time. You need to carry spare battery with you.
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I take issue with that statement, battery life on my DHD is typically around 20+ hrs. I use my device constantly with no problem about losing power.
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The battery life is ok for a phone with big display
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Thanks for replies people,
Is the touch screen much different from the HD2, as far as the sensitivity and such? When I tried the DHD I went into the messaging and tested out typing and it was just such a breeze, atm it's always a hustle without a stylus.
I'm not too worried about battery life, I won't be watching movies on the go, maybe just some gaming, web browsing and mp3 playing.
I just want a device that makes my life easier, I read that WinMo on HD2 needs ALOT of tweaks and registry changes to get running how it should be and while I am a computer whiz and love messing around with everything, I think now I just want something that works mint out of the box with great potential if I decide to try other stuff. Also apparently the SuperRAM Android builds on HD2 runs extremely well.
Are there any other good devices with 4.3" screen and 1Ghz CPU? I tried the Galaxy S but didn't like the build quality and typing seemed crap compared to DHD.
Is the DHD what I'm looking for?

Did you say Stylus?? hahahaha.. havent heard that word in a while... plus the stylus doesnt usually work on a capcitive screen..
In respect of HD2.. rightly said.. you need to do a lot of twearks,, but once done you are good to go.. or you find a good custom ROM and you are all set... With Sashmi you can install all your tweaks and the apps automatically when you flash a new ROM.. PLUS to Root (read HSPL) a WinMo phone is just too easy and straightfwd...
While going thru the rooting for DHD, goodness... i got confused.. so many times
ErOR22 said:
Thanks for replies people,
Is the touch screen much different from the HD2, as far as the sensitivity and such? When I tried the DHD I went into the messaging and tested out typing and it was just such a breeze, atm it's always a hustle without a stylus.
I'm not too worried about battery life, I won't be watching movies on the go, maybe just some gaming, web browsing and mp3 playing.
I just want a device that makes my life easier, I read that WinMo on HD2 needs ALOT of tweaks and registry changes to get running how it should be and while I am a computer whiz and love messing around with everything, I think now I just want something that works mint out of the box with great potential if I decide to try other stuff. Also apparently the SuperRAM Android builds on HD2 runs extremely well.
Are there any other good devices with 4.3" screen and 1Ghz CPU? I tried the Galaxy S but didn't like the build quality and typing seemed crap compared to DHD.
Is the DHD what I'm looking for?
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I just upgraded to dhd from hd2 last week. I had been running mdj's dhd roms for more than a month....so the upgrade was not revolutionary. It was not a necessary upgrade except that I was flashing new roms every other day....
The pros of dhd compared to hd2
Slightly better screen...colors and sharpness
Better screen sensitivity
Better battery
Maybe a bit faster and more stable??
Better cam & video
But external speaker is very soft.
if I had known...I prob would not upgrade. Now my son is running mdj gingerbread on the hd2...lots of potential...
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Yes Stylus!! LOL, Omnia has a resistive touchscreen so a stylus makes things easier. Yeah I've been doing alot of reading for HD2 and now how to flash, and I agree that it's much less confusing then rooting the DHD. The initial shock of reading how to root was overwhelming haha!
I think my only best bet now is to go and try a HD2 in a shop, but I must wait till the 5th for shops to open. If I can save 200bux for near same experience then I'm all for it. I'm a student and don't have cash just lying around lol, I mean the DHD costs more then my car!! (Had my 180sx stolen from where I study and needed something which nobody would bother stealing...POS '91 Ford Festiva)
@genting1 Will you be looking to go back to a HD2? Are you now regretting buying? Is the DHD enough?

IN that case.. an HD2 it is for you.. thats the phone I have had the longest
ErOR22 said:
Yes Stylus!! LOL, Omnia has a resistive touchscreen so a stylus makes things easier. Yeah I've been doing alot of reading for HD2 and now how to flash, and I agree that it's much less confusing then rooting the DHD. The initial shock of reading how to root was overwhelming haha!
I think my only best bet now is to go and try a HD2 in a shop, but I must wait till the 5th for shops to open. If I can save 200bux for near same experience then I'm all for it. I'm a student and don't have cash just lying around lol, I mean the DHD costs more then my car!! (Had my 180sx stolen from where I study and needed something which nobody would bother stealing...POS '91 Ford Festiva)
@genting1 Will you be looking to go back to a HD2? Are you now regretting buying? Is the DHD enough?
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Not regret...just that it did not have the WOW factor....as the hd2 and mdj did a fantastic job.
But I do miss my garmin gps on hd2 winmo
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Dude if ur a Android fan then buy a DHD
Yes HD2 is good but its good for moding, Android on it sometimes gets stuck n then u have to put a new build on it
I had hd2 for a long time n its the best phone I had
Learnt a lot about moding on HD2
Just got my DHD 2 weeks ago n no problems so far
HTC did an OTA update that fixed all the issues
Now DHD is the best phone as far as I no
Wait for few more days get some more money
Ask few of ur friends for some maybe they can help u out with ur money problem
But don't buy HD2 if ur gonna use Android for every day use
Hope this helps

To my fellow student...
I know what it's like, the ability and situation to spend money on any device you wish...an upgrade is however, necessary. Your old phone seems quite old, judging by its manufacture date and stylus interactions. What you have to remember, as a student as well as a person, is what device will serve your needs more? Do you want a more multimedia-oriented phone or a business phone? What will consume less time and work out of the box? Right now, it is a very critical time for me. I have seven exams in January alone. If you are in a situation even a fraction of what i'm in....well you get the point. I previously owned the HD2 for the best of a year before "upgrading" to a Desire HD. I would say that Windows Mobile, although an extremely flexible OS that allows for many tweaks and customisations, is an extremely old and "outdated" OS...it requires a dedicated owner and a lot of time to get it the way YOU want it. Also, you will get into a habit of regularly flashing custom roms and trying out another Android build etc. I believe that it is a phone for people who wish to experiment and realise the potential of a device.
On the other hand, you have a Desire HD. I would see it as an entertainment class phone. It has the same size screen as my old HD2, but more vibrant colours. The speakers are low and softer in volume, although who ever uses phone speakers to listen to music? As students and on the train and in lessons, we use our phones to listen to OUR choice of music in privacy and as a form of time-passing and relaxation. The Desire HD is a valuable music player, as it reproduces sounds far better than my HD2, thanks to SRS and Dolby sound effect algorithms. It is quite adept at playing multimedia, and has 720p capture AND playback abilites. There is also an 8mp camera sensor, and nice applications.
Personally, I believe a Desire HD will be more suited to you. It is a newer model with more powerful/updated hardware. From what I assume, if you were to purchase a HD2, primarily you would use it for Android on a daily basis and GPS navigation within Windows? If that is so, i'd suggest going for a Desire HD. I have one, and it is flawless. Android on the HD2 will never be on the level of a Desire HD. It natively runs the OS, and the device is fully stable. Booting into Android on a HD2 and back and forth to Windows will take at least a minute either way. It's up to you in the end, but I advise you go for a Desire HD. Although it's more expensive, it's all the more appealing and filling. Thus you will have the latest device, best hardware, a smooth OS experiance and the ability to download programs from the Market at the swipe of a finger. As a side note, if you want another device recommendation, it would be a HD7. Rumours have it that it is selling for £414.00 on Amazon and less on Ebay! In the end, the choice falls to you. I hope i've clarified the situation for you
(And in case you are wondering, no I don't regret getting a Desire HD. The experiance, smoothness and perfection alone are enough to make me happy and show off my device)

I won't even look at WP7 until it matures more and see how it turns out, seems too limited too me and I don't think I will be happy with it.
I'm not a fanboy of either OS but I do feel WinMo is getting old and customizing is essential to get the most out of it. I haven't had too much interest in Android until recently when I was researching more about it and it has really grown on me.
I've been keen for a HD2 for months and months simply to try Android without completely moving to a full Android device but that was before I knew more about Android and it seems like it's a great OS. Definitely "future proof" where developers will spend time on it so new software will always be available, unlike WinMo.
Better hardware is a lot what I've been thinking about, so why not right, it would be time for once to own the best right NOW.
But anyway, I think I've been convinced and I'm gona break my own "rule" ($400 max for a phone, in the past anyway lol) and thank you all for your time to help me out, I look forward to owning a Desire HD
So first thing I should do with the phone is get S-OFF and flash Buzz 1.0.6 kernel and then update to latest version? Or get S-OFF, update and then change kernel?

I'd suggest S-off, then flashing Android Revolution HD (either latest one for android 2.2.1) or Android Revolution 1.9.3 for android 2.2...real difference is slightly faster IO speeds..but with latest rom you can't flash a custom kernel...yet! You can also try Leedroid, and try out kamma's kernel, although I have gps problems with this combination. Hope I helped!

Desire HD ->Sensation/SGII

I'm concerned... My DHD is a super smartphone, but after all it's just a device that is getting "old".
I can't really say what will my next phone be. Sensation? GalaxySII?
The Sensation has good specs(although I played for a whole day with one, and it didn't seemed so fast), but lacks the beauty of the DHD.
SGS2 definitely has power on his side, and a amazing screen. But again, it's plastic body is hideos and overall seems like a larger Iphone.
So please tell me... what should I be looking at? I don't dig Sony Ericsson crapphones, nor other semimanufacturers like Motorola, LG, Huaweii or God knows what.

I guess an important question is, what do you need it for? That should inform your decision. (For me, I've never really seen the point in a dual-core phone, as I've never played a game on a phone and never will.)

Sensation and SGII getting old too - the next generation was in many previews, so wait for the future updates with better sound and displays and so on... If you want an actual smartphone, you have to buy one every two month. Dual and Quad Core are in all minds. They give you the chance for recording FULL HD Videos, navigate faster than before, play games with actual upcoming graphicchips...you must know, what you prefer. At this time the DHD has more abilities than the new HTC devices, because their resolutions are not supported by all apps. Also there are more specific roms and themes.

What do I need it for? What do you need it for? I use it at it's full potential, with games, various aps, recording, browsing, teethering etc etc.
Whoever buys a smartphone to use it a simple phone is not a normal person(no offence ).
Neo, your opinion is to wait for now. Probably you're right

I'll be very honest...I wouldn't be looking anywhere. Yes, the newer phones are more powerful, but trust me, if you upgrade, you aren't actually getting anything more. Dual core processors still aren't being utilised fully yet. The Sensation is literally nothing over a DHD with an official Sense 3.0 ROM, it's all very much the same.
To be honest, you've answered the question yourself. Stick with the DHD, you'll be happiest that way!

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I'll be very honest...I wouldn't be looking anywhere. Yes, the newer phones are more powerful, but trust me, if you upgrade, you aren't actually getting anything more. Dual core processors still aren't being utilised fully yet. The Sensation is literally nothing over a DHD with an official Sense 3.0 ROM, it's all very much the same.
To be honest, you've answered the question yourself. Stick with the DHD, you'll be happiest that way!
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Second that motion!
I use my Desire HD with Sense 3.5 (RCMix3D Bliss ROM) and it performs very well. Once the bluetooth problem has been fixed, Capychimp will have an awesome ROM for us all...

lambomanx1 said:
Stick with the DHD, you'll be happiest that way!
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I guess that's what I've wanted to hear from the beginning.

pupilov said:
I guess that's what I've wanted to hear from the beginning.
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I know what you mean. I got my DHD when the dual core phones were coming out, on purpose; I knew it was going to be cheaper, and I knew I wasn't loosing out much. I rooted from the very start, then worried that I had made the wrong decision when the SGS2 and Sensation came out...looking at everything now though, it's pretty clear I haven't

ive been on my dhd 4 a yr now nd havent been fascinated by any of the recent phones.....although i still use stock roms.....i love the sense interface so sammy is definitely out of the question. all dual cores as i have been readng havent really been utilized yet...im eagerly anticipating sense 3.5 update....it would b a new experience smhow. other than that i guess the only phone i wish was there is an android htc portrait slider...u know smthng like the dell venue pro for WP. Anyone thnks were gettng smthng like that anytime from htc?

Stick with DHD...because it same man...if ur next phone is sensation/sgs2...it will be outdated to...maybe will be a quad core cpu maybe...the technology in growing fast...haha
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Neo, your opinion is to wait for now. Probably you're right
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You can see it in my signature.. i was often unable to wait, because i wanted to test all new systems...at least the WP7 UI, before i bought my DHD. I think, WP7 style is a modern way to operate with a smartphone, but today no abilities to have an individual style. Android UI is a new form of windows mobile, not really futuristic, but i can change all i want. On the DHD it´s nearly perfect at this time.
Maybe in one year i will use again a WP7 phone, because i like many of it´s features, especially the menus inside and the live tiles (with another style). But i hope, that google won´t sleep all the time and works also on new interfaces. The last updates remind me to the times, when windows mobile was updated. I miss the really impressive changes... see, what will come in the next years.

I would wait if i were you.... even the so called dual core are being updated. Word on the street is that dual core 1.2-1.5 GHz should be the standard before the end of the year....HTC have some nice lineup comming soon

I took your advises seriously. Me and my DHD are friends for almost a year now, so it has a few scratches and dents. So, in order to complete our "new" friendship, I send it back to HTC for a complete makeover(new housing and a internal cleaning ).
Thank you guys!