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Android on Rhodium... like on "real" andoid phone?

Hey guys!
Do you think, that android will EVER run as fast and smooth on a rhodium as it runs on a native andoid phone?
Can you guess aprox. when the time comes?
thx for answer :->

nobody can say this because all developers work on this in their free time and its their decission how much time they spend to this.
on the other hand there are many non solved problems and nobody can say if this problems can be fixed in 2 days or never.
so lets wait and see what great things devs can do in future

In theory it should run as smooth on Rhodium too I guess since they use the same kind of core hardwares such as processor and RAM.
The only thing I would guess is the drivers issues with the different hardwares such as keyboard, etc..., but as lhwparis said, the developers do it at their own time.
We just have to wish them good luck and appreciate their effort

breytex said:
Hey guys!
Do you think, that android will EVER run as fast and smooth on a rhodium as it runs on a native andoid phone?
Can you guess aprox. when the time comes?
thx for answer :->
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If it is run off the SD card, I don't know if it will ever be as fast and smooth as a genuine Android phone. I think there is potential to get most if not all of the Android functionality at decent speeds but a genuine Android phone will still probably be faster and smoother.

x10dude said:
If it is run off the SD card, I don't know if it will ever be as fast and smooth as a genuine Android phone. I think there is potential to get most if not all of the Android functionality at decent speeds but a genuine Android phone will still probably be faster and smoother.
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Im pretty sure that Rhodium Android benchmarks faster than on other native android devices already using Android Market benchmarking apps.

x10dude said:
If it is run off the SD card, I don't know if it will ever be as fast and smooth as a genuine Android phone. I think there is potential to get most if not all of the Android functionality at decent speeds but a genuine Android phone will still probably be faster and smoother.
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Not completely true. The SD card is removable flash, the internal storage is just non-removable flash. If you get a fast enough SD card, there's no difference.
Also, Android can be flashed to the internal storage of a device with some cunning through the same idea they are using now (bootloading through Haret). Take a look at the Vogue and Kaiser threads.. The devs just have to work on that process, which I'm sure is not as important to them as getting Open GL working 100%, sound, and complete battery management.

I stand corrected. Thanks. Running Android of SD memory can be just as fast.

Exactly. When you buy your next SD card, shell out the extra $10 or so and get a class 6. You won't regret it.

You mean, if only you get a very fast SD card, the whole system, including all animations and click(touch)-processing latencies will be as fast as on devices running Android natively?
I want to clarify that, since I thought it just has some serious driver underdevelopment issues (like opengl, which is widely used by it) or some kind of slower debug build. On my phone it runs about two-three time slower than on a phone with native android (and lower cpu clock, but much lower screen resolution as well)

ikari87 said:
You mean, if only you get a very fast SD card, the whole system, including all animations and click(touch)-processing latencies will be as fast as on devices running Android natively?
I want to clarify that, since I thought it just has some serious driver underdevelopment issues (like opengl, which is widely used by it) or some kind of slower debug build. On my phone it runs about two-three time slower than on a phone with native android (and lower cpu clock, but much lower screen resolution as well)
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What are you comparing your phone to? Don't look at a Droid X or an EVO dude. You have to compare apples to apples - about the closest native Android hardware to our phones is/was the HTC Hero. So that's our benchmark basically.
With that said, there probably is some software improvements, but getting a higher class SD will definitely help as well. I heard boot times are probably the most to benefit from higher class SD - don't expect miracles tho, there's definitely still some things that need optimizing - I think at present the devs aren't exactly sure what those things are
Once the major bugs are squashed certainly the focus will then be more on stability, performance and battery life. We've gotten quite a few battery fixes lately, hopefully performance will be next on the docket

I was comparing it to the nearest phone I could touch, ZTE Racer ;-)
Racer has a 600MHz clock (okay, i thought it was slower than 528 (AFAIR) of TP2) and a pretty ****ty screen ;-). But that's not one of those 1G Snapdragons.
I wish TP2 ran Android like a brand new phone one day... ;-)

ikari87 said:
I was comparing it to the nearest phone I could touch, ZTE Racer ;-)
Racer has a 600MHz clock (okay, i thought it was slower than 528 (AFAIR) of TP2) and a pretty ****ty screen ;-). But that's not one of those 1G Snapdragons.
I wish TP2 ran Android like a brand new phone one day... ;-)
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Having owned and used an HTC Hero and Samsung Moment I can tell you that the vanilla version (non-overclocked) of this build is about the same speed as the Hero. The overclocked version is faster than both when running on my class 6 card.

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breytex said:
Hey guys!
Do you think, that android will EVER run as fast and smooth on a rhodium as it runs on a native andoid phone?
Can you guess aprox. when the time comes?
thx for answer :->
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The issues are drivers, drivers, drivers and null assistance from HTC. With little more than the technical docs of the Qualcomm processor shared by the Rhodium as well as native HTC & other manufacturers Android devices the developers are nothing short of being friggin amazing. It's a lot of hit n miss trial n error and we the users are the beta testers.
My initial goal of being one of many beta testers was to see whether Android is a viable replacement for my WinMo device especially in light of Microsoft's direction with WP7.
HTC is helpful to XDA developers when it helps sell current devices. Unfortunately HTC in their shortsightedness fails to see the benefit of a successful Project Android being the springboard of many to a purchase a new native Android HTC device.
So will we have drivers, drivers, drivers to make the Rhodium as good or better than a similar hardware native Android device is a question no one can answer definitively when or if ever. For the time being, I like other beta testers will avoid phone calls like the plague, but nonetheless will have enough hands on to make an educated decision whether Android is right for them.

I dont know
My setup of Android seems to be working pretty good minus a few small bugs. Main bug I would say is battery issues. All in all mine is damn quick,and definitely faster than the winmo on the device. My winmo is trim and pimped out but still runs like a turd. It's reliable but slow. My ole lady has the Epic Galaxy S, and it is indeed fast and smooth with particularly vivid color (amoled), but I am gaining a new appreciation for my TP2 again wth Android. My screen looks pretty sharp as well. I am bouncing back and forth from winmo to droid often, but I can manage to stay in droid for long periods and not miss a beat. Waking up to my new rooster alarm sound ain't too shabby either.
I am a stickler for response speeds, and winmo out of the box blew just like it does on computers. Linux has never let me down, and now neither will droid. I would like to have a way in droid to check my 10 different email address' and not just gmail, but I'm sure there's a way. Windows' ideas are ok but their performance/quality has always just been farts upwind.
One thing some people don't think about is the apps and stuff they choose to run and the things they do on their phone, but at least android attempts to warn you of the access the app is being granted on your device before you install. Phones today have cameras, mics, speakers, communications, GPS, and a G-sensor. The only thing they can't do is taste and smell (coming soon). All in all though, they are capable of knowing where you are, where you've been, what you say, and what you look like as well as possibly being remotely controlled. Enjoy, but beware

The only thing holding us back is the slow GPU and the resistive screen.

help，ANDROID on VERIZON

why it is so slow on version touch pro, and why there are many bugs on verizon?
there is no sound when i run android on my verzion touch pro and when i give a phone call to my friend,i can here what he said,but he can't here what i said?
who can tell me which ROM can solve these peoblems?

liangwode said:
why it is so slow on version touch pro, and why there are many bugs on verizon?
there is no sound when i run android on my verzion touch pro and when i give a phone call to my friend,i can here what he said,but he can't here what i said?
who can tell me which ROM can solve these peoblems?
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i dont think slowness is caused by you service provider...

No dev has a RAPH500 to play with (to my knowledge) and the kernel for the 500 is in the doldrums as a result. Sorry, until someone more knowledgeable about coding that has a 500 steps up, or one of the devs gets their hands on a 500, progress will be slow.
You also realize that VZW crippled their version of the TouchPro right? It's working with something like half the RAM available to the 110's or 800's.

How do I get there?
I've been playing with android on my htc titan and just bought a Raph500 off ebay. How can I help get the raph500 off the ground? According to wikipedia the raph500 has 192MB ram, which should be usable. The HTC titan only has 64, and android almost works. I'd like to learn more. Is that what chef central is all about?

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onecallednick said:
I've been playing with android on my htc titan and just bought a Raph500 off ebay. How can I help get the raph500 off the ground? According to wikipedia the raph500 has 192MB ram, which should be usable. The HTC titan only has 64, and android almost works. I'd like to learn more. Is that what chef central is all about?
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the at&t version (htc fuze) has 288 mbs and i know in WM around 90 mbs are always free. also the htc titan is a much more understood phone on how everything works and is not as complex/ undocumented as the touch pro.
if your asking about chef central its not for you but seriously the people that makes android for wm phone or roms are called "chefs" and their roms are what they "cook" (its like a inside joke) but it is were all the new chefs go to get tools or help from experienced developers (or called devs)

question, if your on verizon, why are you using a touch pro and trying to run an android rom on it, if you want android, you should be using the droid eris, droid, or droid incredible. those are much better options for android on verizon than using a rom to try to run it on a WM phone.

sunshine1982 said:
question, if your on verizon, why are you using a touch pro and trying to run an android rom on it, if you want android, you should be using the droid eris, droid, or droid incredible. those are much better options for android on verizon than using a rom to try to run it on a WM phone.
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If we all used this logic, then this project probably wouldn't exist at all. People are tied to contracts, don't want to buy a new phone, like their TP, for whatever reason... They'd rather run it as a ported project. I will probably get an Android-based device eventually - but until I do it's pretty cool to be able to run Android on my WinMo phone. I'm sure he just feels the same way...

[Q] Touch vs Touch Pro - which to get

Hi all,
I have Palm Treo 700p's and want to update a bit without losing my fair and flex
family plan with Sprint; unfortunately Spring says I can't upgrade to any of the
phones that natively run Android,
I learned about flashing HTC phones running WM and have been trying to learn.
Trying to decide between the Touch or Touch Pro which seem to be the newest
HTC phones I can use.
It appears that the Touch had the best support but the developers have moved
on and the Touch Pro may now be getting more support; do I read this correctly?
Which would you recommend, Touch or Touch Pro, or is there another phone I
should check with Sprint for use?
I welcome your input
Thanks
FS

You're going to be very disappointed if you expect either of these phones to run Android natively well.
This port isn't nearly done. Perhaps the only phone (to my knowledge) that could be considered complete is the HTC Vogue - which is ironically the original Touch you are probably speaking of.
The TouchPro IMHO is a better phone (the keyboard is fantastic - only better is on the TP2 ) but does not run Android very well. Android is just a plaything, for testing and for fun on most WinCE devices.
To sum up - the Vogue & the HD2 have the most complete port of Android, with the Vogue probably being considered "completely finished" (full NAND), however... that hardware is old. HD2 is very promising, they have a few little bugs to squash and then NAND... But no HD2 love for Sprint.
Not sure how good of an Android experience it is on the Vogue. Won't ever be that fantastic on the TP or TP2 tho.... Old hardware there as well my friend

I was in the same boat. have a great (cheap) old data plan that I was not willing to give up.
I went with a touch diamond. My previous phone was a vogue.
I can say that the diamond is a far better phone than the vogue. Better screen, more responsive touchscreen, better video, accelerometer, better camera... but the Vogue probably does better with Android since it can run Android from Nand instead of the storage (SD) card.
Android is fun on the Diamond, but its pretty crippled. No camera. No speakerphone for things like GPS. Poor battery life. Too slow for any flash apps to run fluidly... Basically android on the Diamond feels more like an emulation- because that is all it is.
That said, its fun to be able to play around with android, and WinMo is not so bad for a dead OS. There are some decent ROMs and plenty of freeware still floating around. And the Diamond makes for a nice phone on terms of small size, GPS, good speakerphone, WIFI and even WIFI sharing with the right ROM.

tk76 said:
I can say that the diamond is a far better phone than the vogue. Better screen, more responsive touchscreen, better video, accelerometer, better camera... but the Vogue probably does better with Android since it can run Android from Nand instead of the storage (SD) card.
Android is fun on the Diamond, but its pretty crippled. No camera. No speakerphone for things like GPS. Poor battery life. Too slow for any flash apps to run fluidly... Basically android on the Diamond feels more like an emulation- because that is all it is.
That said, its fun to be able to play around with android, and WinMo is not so bad for a dead OS. There are some decent ROMs and plenty of freeware still floating around. And the Diamond makes for a nice phone on terms of small size, GPS, good speakerphone, WIFI and even WIFI sharing with the right ROM.
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Just to set the record straight, this project is running natively on the hardware - it's not a virtual machine, and it is certainly not being emulated in any way shape or form...
I could see how you would think that, because of all the broken/not working stuff... Well we just have to reverse engineer WinMo libs, dlls, etc and then write our own drivers basically for the different pieces of hardware.
Hence the reason new kernels come out so frequently - there's a lot of work that needs to be done on that kernel to get everything working the way it should. Devs are making some good progress lately, hopefully DIAM/RAPH will have NAND soon. I heard Neopeek was working on NAND back in August on his DIAM... haven't heard much about it since unfortunately. However, RHOD's have a partial NAND, and with the head of steam we've got going now, I'm pretty confident soon we will be up to the level of the Vogue - if not beyond it. However, the processor/RAM specs are pretty paltry compared to most native Android devices.
Sorry for the damned long post. One last question, your speakerphone doesn't work in GPS? Hrm. It should. Have you tried the newest kernels...? The autobuild service is down, but F22's been kindly building them for us...

why not just get a NEWER phone other then one that was released 2-4 years ago?

Cause after having invested SO MUCH time into running android on the phone, it's impossible to give up.. And having full control over hardware compensates for the hardware being ancient

Aaron McCarthy said:
why not just get a NEWER phone other then one that was released 2-4 years ago?
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Because moneys doesn't grow on the trees..

HELICOPTER88 said:
Because moneys doesn't grow on the trees..
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Exactly! Or I would have had a nexus 1 a long time ago... ;D

e334 said:
Exactly! Or I would have had a nexus 1 a long time ago... ;D
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and I would have had a Desire...

WP7 ROM for touch diamond

Does anybody know, about porting this wp7 build, for our devices, if it possible, or not, waiting for answers, thank's.It will be the better than porting Android(which is so hard to do)

Porting wp7 is way harder,you don't have source,you are out of the minimal requirements and you don't even have enough nand..
Android is much more doable..

hi.
we have new htc diamond and I want to ask if is available Android for this phone!
Thank you!

don't dream about that

It's possible but it must be not that easy than Android and it must be really so hard and it takes more a long times to development. I'm sure someday there'll be someone will do that in XDA-Dev.......

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It's possible but it must be not that easy than Android and it must be really so hard and it takes more a long times to development. I'm sure someday there'll be someone will do that in XDA-Dev.......
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I don't think it'll ever come to the htc touch diamond, cause it's like putting android on a Samsung E900 or something, no-one iswaiting on that

Android might eventually be available for NAND on Diamond but my guess is WP7 will never be ported.. Android is just the better OS out of them all
Android had a slow start with coming to the world of mobile operating systems and the G1 was a superb example of what can be achieved. Since then Android has rocketed to the top of the charts and is now running on almost all new devices. Being open source there are a variety of different builds and mods, Including a vast growing number of apps coming to the market
In my opinion Apple will have to do something spectacular with its OS to become the #1 OS again

Come on, think about it, The Diamond struggles to run WM6.5, hell it struggles to run 6.1 sometimes
You really think it will run WP7 ? lol Not a chance

Exactly. And even if it does run it, the battery life is just not enough..
I have TWO 1340mAh batteries and I sometime drain them both in one day!
The 900mAh stock is not enough for half a day for me lol
Although running android 2.3 through haret, I get over a day with the 1340 battery... and its very smooth so having it on NAND it would last a lot longer and I imagine would be somewhat more smooth than what it is now

MOBILE SEVEN Reply
Why would you want to downgrade? There is no "Windows Mobile 7" port for Diamond because nobody wants useless crap on their smartphone.
- 2 Bunny

[Q] Android 4.0

Any chance of a tasty Ice Cream Sandwich please for the Hero ?
thanks to elelinux for a great rom

should be possible after the release of the source code (maybe next month?).
without the source it looks for me that it won't be possible to boot the emulator image on our hero, because it is compiled for armeabi-v7a (snapdragon cpu) only.

thank you for your post
booooo sounds like time for an upgrade

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should be possible after the release of the source code (maybe next month?).
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I think source code was already released
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-4.0.html

That's different. SDK is not kernel source. That's why most honeycomb Ports aren't complete. No source was released.
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Loxxy said:
Any chance of a tasty Ice Cream Sandwich please for the Hero ?
thanks to elelinux for a great rom
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Maybe someone can get it to run. but I don't get my hopes up if I where you. if you look at 2.3 how that runs on the hero comparing to 2.2 and mostly 2.1. And 4.0 even more stuffed then I guess not

touch wood, 2.3.7 is working well for me on my Hero (dont really to upgrade just to get Android 4.0)
But keeping an eye on some HTC Desires on ebay nonetheless

Lirasina said:
Maybe someone can get it to run.
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it probably will run. just wait for the source to be released.

I hope for a Vanilla 4.0, with no heavy CM mods

a1Pha said:
it probably will run. just wait for the source to be released.
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I thinks so too.
I remember when on this forum we were discussing about porting Froyo 2.2. on the Hero...lol...

Its not long since the GB rom's were considered too fat for the hero. Look at us now..... mines has never been so quick.
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I completely agree with Prof Peach. GB was slow on first releases and now it flies so maybe it's hope for 4.0 too when the sources come out and them maybe it will boot on our Hero after the devs cast their magic.

yea, but don't forget the one and only honeycomb rom for gsm hero which JieeHD (I think) created from the sdk...
YES it was from sdk and so it was a miracle it ran at all, but it was SO slow that you couldn't even try the UI features of the rom. No the hardware didn't work at all, no data, wifi, etc, and that is all because it came from the sdk. That wasn't the purpose of the sdk build. It was just to play with the honeycomb UI, but even then the UI should have run alright if it was ever going to run on the hero.
However that rom (which I still have kicking around somewhere) showed me just how honeycomb was clearly made to run on much more powerful hardware than even gingerbread requires.
So I personally will be very surprised if it works well enough for daily use.
But then I'm running a gingerbread rom that is fast enough for daily use and perfectly stable... and I bet against that every happening back in teh day LoL.
I've been wrong before, and I hope you guys can prove me wrong again. I'm always happy to be wrong when I'm being pessimistic!

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To upgrade or not to upgrade?​ This is the big question for the android community!!!!
It will run on the hero, but since phones are getting bigger, i think it's gonna be kind of weird to run 4.0... We will have to see it ported firts
As far from what i see and what the google guys reported...every phone that can run GB can run ICS... so that means that there can't be a big problem to run the os, and since the nexus S will receive the update, that means that there is a way to disable the on screen buttons...
For the moment we stick with what we have !!! And we have to THANKS the devs that keep this phone alive. As for the part with upgrading to a new phone, i think we have to wait for the next gen of processors (quad core) or buy phones like nexus S that now are on slim prices
PS: since i got my tablet, i'm not so much into getting a new phone
Stefan

yea, tablets are awesome. Same here - I've used many android tablets and my employer supplies apple devices for my dev work at one company.
Tablets are awesome if you truly embrace them and buy whatever options you need to use them as virtual laptops effectively.

Agree with dkelley...if you have places where you can use them, it's better to have one...i use mine all the time, from movies and finishing with reading stuff.
I have to admin i was thinking on to buy a desire Hd / Nexus S...but not so shure
Stefan

yeah i love my Hero to bits, cost me £50 with Android 1.6 pre installed on it from some guy at work lol.
Whilst i can appreciate its an old handset etc etc, its running gingerbread like a dream, so would love to see the 'consolidated' release of 4.0 on there, i feel google will have dropped a legacy beat if only snapdragon cpus are supported.
admins feel free to move this to the Q&A sub-forum if required

stefpaul said:
i think we have to wait for the next gen of processors (quad core)
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This is why I didn't upgrade my phone yet!
I would like to get a beast with 1200x800 display resolution, android 4.0 with the new Quad-Core CPU...
Basically, almost a gaming machine...

yukinok25 said:
This is why I didn't upgrade my phone yet!
I would like to get a beast with 1200x800 display resolution, android 4.0 with the new Quad-Core CPU...
Basically, almost a gaming machine...
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For me the Hero is a phone. and nothing more. It is a little smarter phone then my moms. She can text and call. I can do that and I can also send mail check agenda and navigate some. That is what I use my phone for. If I need more then I will use my laptop anyway. So the Hero with some easy rom is fine for me.
Android 4.0 will bring problems and stuff that I will never use anyway. If you look at most devs on the Hero forum. They are good porters and breakers of things. I am the last one, a breaker XD There are still a half hand full of devs for the Hero.
I think the CDMA will have 4.0 sooner then the Hero. But that is just my oppinion. If they ever get it...

And is there an upgrade for sgs2?
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