Yeah, so was interested in moving on from Android due to (*sigh*) the poor quality phones I got (a Samsung Galaxy Spica and a Defy+. Both ended up acting like retarded phones, even if I didn't try putting custom ROMs on them - except the Spica, where all I tried was an unofficial update to 2.1, which I made since the bastards in Romania didn't want to update.) and to switch to a Nokia Lumia 800 if I'll get to, or to a second hand HTC HD2 (but this is again risky and I don't wanna end up with a ****phone instead of a smartphone.).
Now, I know there are major flaws regarding the number of apps in the market. Yet I was wondering, are there any:
-Third-party FREE browsers out there? And if there are, are there any who also accept Flash? Or even Google as a search engine. IIRC someone ported Opera for WP 7.5, right?
-Facebook - might seem weird, but I wouldn't want to use the People Hub for the Facebook integration, I'd prefer to use a different FB app. AFAIK there is one, but I suppose it doesn't force you to use the People Hub, right?
-Games - and here I mean addictive ones. Temple Run might seem pretty impossible to accomplish, but stuff similar to Angry Birds should be in the store, right?
-Google apps - I don't have the Android OS, but I hate that the Android OS is being built on phone companies to whom I lack respect. Google Maps is there as well, right? And Google Plus, correct?
-The YouTube app. Yes, that one. I know that this is a major flaw of WP but because of Google. So, was wondering, is there a decent client?...
I knew there was one awesome app, but which was discontinued because it was badly built or so.
Thanks for the support guys!
Also, if the OS has other flaws, please inform me
1. Yes, but they're inferior to IE. No flash.
2. Correct.
3. Yes.
4. Unofficial google maps and G+ apps. IMO they're not good.
5. Yes, there are multiple youtube apps that are good.
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Hi,
I also switch phones from an Android to a WP. I love Android OS but had a LG GW620 that was one of the first models of Android made by LG. the hardware was very slow.
WP having minimal requirements, like iphone's, make all wp fast and fluid.
The first thing an Android user will say about WP is the lack of freedom in the OS, but when you start to use it and understand it, you will see that all is made with a logic.
For me WP is simple and intuitive, with a good custom rom becomes a great phone
There is a FB app with the new update some circles say its nicer than the one from iOS....people hub is actually pretty simple once you get used to it set up your different groups to watch over and all.
With Youtube I find Youtube Pro to be the best one it allows you to watch not just regular quality but also HD quality videos(out before the other OSes had this funtion)and it allows you to download the video to your phone.
Just moved also from Android
I use People Hub but also have the FB app on there
Use YouTube Pro and it works great also.
Reminds me
I haven't played a single game on it yet
One thing though. the Lumia 800 has what I consider a small screen.
Maybe look at the HTC HD7 or something?
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One thing though. the Lumia 800 has what I consider a small screen.
Maybe look at the HTC HD7 or something?
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HD7 = HD2 with WP7. Don't buy either, both have slow hardware. Buy Lumia 710, 800 or wait for 900 if you need a bigger screen.
What i can say is that coming from Android and iOS world, you will see and feel a fluid system that has a unique design and operate mode. WP doesnt have at all nothing that remind other OS, its just then. Its the newer so we dont have too customizations like others have, we still dont have many attentions from devs. I like the system at all lets hope that Nokia helps this system grows and then more partnerships will come but if you are tired of android and ios same face and same fluid, u will enjoy a lot wp.
I suggest Omnia 7 or Lumia 800 if u wish to buy now, of course if u cant wait, Lumia 900 will be the best option.
Omnia 7 it still a great and up to date device, the samsung 4inch amoled screen its great.
Lumia 800 has a new design and good finishing.
HD7 has a bigger screen but his SLCD has a poor display, white balances is like a ghost.
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If possible stick with either the Lumia 800 or wait a bit for 900. It is becoming increasingly clear that Nokia is the brand you want to stick with if you are going to have a Windows Phone. Their app suite is reason enough. Nokia Drive, Maps, Transport, TuneIn etc. are excellent apps. COmbine these with Bing Maps and Bing Search and you really won't see the need for Google Services. I believe there is a 3rd party Google+ app with Google making their own in the near future. I've hacked my Samsung Focus to be able to use the Nokia apps and it's the best hack ive ever applied to a phone. Get a Lumia and this willl be unnecessary.
There is Nokia Drive and Nokia Maps, better than Google Maps
As for browsers
http://www.favbrowser.com/windows-phones-uc-browser-speed-dial-open-links-in-background-and-more/
Another thing: What would be the differences between Lumia 800 and 900, besides bigger screen and weaker battery?...
EgoMaximus said:
There is Nokia Drive and Nokia Maps, better than Google Maps
As for browsers
http://www.favbrowser.com/windows-phones-uc-browser-speed-dial-open-links-in-background-and-more/
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Google Maps has more updates than Nokia Drive or Maps, and sooner or later will have street view like in the Android apps
Deformat said:
Another thing: What would be the differences between Lumia 800 and 900, besides bigger screen and weaker battery?...
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It has bigger battery, isn't curved, has a front facing camera, not pentile, has gyroscope and uses a different CPU model
Just got the Lumia 900, as my company phone, and so far, its pretty decent. I definitely like the smoothness of the OS, and the simplicity of use is very nice. That being said, I HATE the keyboard! I have been using swype for nearly 2 years, and there just isn't anything to compare with it. Also, the lack of a task manager or exit button for certain apps is annoying. Had to logout of Pandora in order to get Metro Radio to stop running. This is just day one, and those ar the issues I have noticed. To me, they're big enough that I wouldn't choose wp7 as my personal phone, but they're not big enough for me to request an Android for work. My Galaxy Note personal phone is a good enough Android fix for me.
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Btw, google maps on android is still better than ay other navigation on any other OS.
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I'm in the UK and I just imported the Samsung Focus S from the USA. I was annoyed that it wasn't available here and I couldn't see another WP7 phone worth my time - yes, sorry I also mean the Nokia Lumia 800.
No front facing camera on a phone in 2012 (especially a supposed flagship phone)
So, here's my take on WP7... it's gorgeous, very slick and beautiful... so much of it makes sense... But...
The 'but' is a big one...Basically, it's not quite ready. Little things that I took for granted coming from Android basically suck on WP7. And let me be clear, I thought Android was a horrible mash of different bits welded together!
So, the People hub, it's fantastic... the Facebook Chat integration blows big time! I use Facebook Chat(Messenger on Android) to talk to my wife during the day and she is constantly sending me pics of our daughter. No, WP7 sees you as offline on the website and therefore will not submit a message. Pictures come in as links to the website. Not the mobile site, the full website which when you zoom DRAGS the screen to the left like its attached to a bloody rubber band!
It gets worse when you venture into the FB app itself. Pictures in Messager view do not even show up. You end up with a blank message. I have yet to receive an alert in the app. The app loads constantly. It's not just the FB app that does this. Supposed apps that are running under screen lock (is this a numpty way of saying 'in the background'??!) still come up with a big splash screen when you flick back through the task switcher.
This all makes this experience very frustrating. Application resuming is sloooowwwww!
No turn by turn directions and maps
IE9 is not fantastic, but it's ok
So, all this actually makes me miss Android. I am so bitterly disappointed that after 3 days I'm tempted to sell the phone on. I thought I could ride out the wait for WP8, but I really can't. I'd rather go back to my old, rather slow and inadequate HTC Desire at this point. And it hurts... because everything else is so beautiful. The Focus S is a beautiful device. The OS is buttery smooth and is so polished in it's presentation... but... the but is the killer here.
Don't know if I can stick it out... I'm crushed. Maybe I just got too far into the Google echo system?
I think that WP OS is designed to poeple who really wants to experience a unique and different system. Off course moving from iOS or Android u will notice that a lot of settings arent available. Its still growing, if we remember NoDo and how Mango growed...i think Apollo will come with a great evolution, im sure that MS is working hard, the thing is, they really dont want to copy nothing from other OS, they still wanna do an unique OS. The lack of products with WP causes lack of people developing to it and also giving a feedback to MS and im sure this is the point that MS miss a lot and then they have to build something that they believe and not that people are asking.
I like very much my Omnia 7, dont miss or die for a feature settings, off course i will be glad if had more app and games but the system is good, fluid and responsive and im sure to a touch phone this are the main concern.
I am using Google calender, contacts and Mail and its working perfect with Android. How are these things under wp7?
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groovinroovin said:
I am using Google calender, contacts and Mail and its working perfect with Android. How are these things under wp7?
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Hey guys!
Do you think, that android will EVER run as fast and smooth on a rhodium as it runs on a native andoid phone?
Can you guess aprox. when the time comes?
thx for answer :->
nobody can say this because all developers work on this in their free time and its their decission how much time they spend to this.
on the other hand there are many non solved problems and nobody can say if this problems can be fixed in 2 days or never.
so lets wait and see what great things devs can do in future
In theory it should run as smooth on Rhodium too I guess since they use the same kind of core hardwares such as processor and RAM.
The only thing I would guess is the drivers issues with the different hardwares such as keyboard, etc..., but as lhwparis said, the developers do it at their own time.
We just have to wish them good luck and appreciate their effort
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Hey guys!
Do you think, that android will EVER run as fast and smooth on a rhodium as it runs on a native andoid phone?
Can you guess aprox. when the time comes?
thx for answer :->
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If it is run off the SD card, I don't know if it will ever be as fast and smooth as a genuine Android phone. I think there is potential to get most if not all of the Android functionality at decent speeds but a genuine Android phone will still probably be faster and smoother.
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If it is run off the SD card, I don't know if it will ever be as fast and smooth as a genuine Android phone. I think there is potential to get most if not all of the Android functionality at decent speeds but a genuine Android phone will still probably be faster and smoother.
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Im pretty sure that Rhodium Android benchmarks faster than on other native android devices already using Android Market benchmarking apps.
x10dude said:
If it is run off the SD card, I don't know if it will ever be as fast and smooth as a genuine Android phone. I think there is potential to get most if not all of the Android functionality at decent speeds but a genuine Android phone will still probably be faster and smoother.
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Not completely true. The SD card is removable flash, the internal storage is just non-removable flash. If you get a fast enough SD card, there's no difference.
Also, Android can be flashed to the internal storage of a device with some cunning through the same idea they are using now (bootloading through Haret). Take a look at the Vogue and Kaiser threads.. The devs just have to work on that process, which I'm sure is not as important to them as getting Open GL working 100%, sound, and complete battery management.
I stand corrected. Thanks. Running Android of SD memory can be just as fast.
Exactly. When you buy your next SD card, shell out the extra $10 or so and get a class 6. You won't regret it.
You mean, if only you get a very fast SD card, the whole system, including all animations and click(touch)-processing latencies will be as fast as on devices running Android natively?
I want to clarify that, since I thought it just has some serious driver underdevelopment issues (like opengl, which is widely used by it) or some kind of slower debug build. On my phone it runs about two-three time slower than on a phone with native android (and lower cpu clock, but much lower screen resolution as well)
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You mean, if only you get a very fast SD card, the whole system, including all animations and click(touch)-processing latencies will be as fast as on devices running Android natively?
I want to clarify that, since I thought it just has some serious driver underdevelopment issues (like opengl, which is widely used by it) or some kind of slower debug build. On my phone it runs about two-three time slower than on a phone with native android (and lower cpu clock, but much lower screen resolution as well)
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What are you comparing your phone to? Don't look at a Droid X or an EVO dude. You have to compare apples to apples - about the closest native Android hardware to our phones is/was the HTC Hero. So that's our benchmark basically.
With that said, there probably is some software improvements, but getting a higher class SD will definitely help as well. I heard boot times are probably the most to benefit from higher class SD - don't expect miracles tho, there's definitely still some things that need optimizing - I think at present the devs aren't exactly sure what those things are
Once the major bugs are squashed certainly the focus will then be more on stability, performance and battery life. We've gotten quite a few battery fixes lately, hopefully performance will be next on the docket
I was comparing it to the nearest phone I could touch, ZTE Racer ;-)
Racer has a 600MHz clock (okay, i thought it was slower than 528 (AFAIR) of TP2) and a pretty ****ty screen ;-). But that's not one of those 1G Snapdragons.
I wish TP2 ran Android like a brand new phone one day... ;-)
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I was comparing it to the nearest phone I could touch, ZTE Racer ;-)
Racer has a 600MHz clock (okay, i thought it was slower than 528 (AFAIR) of TP2) and a pretty ****ty screen ;-). But that's not one of those 1G Snapdragons.
I wish TP2 ran Android like a brand new phone one day... ;-)
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Having owned and used an HTC Hero and Samsung Moment I can tell you that the vanilla version (non-overclocked) of this build is about the same speed as the Hero. The overclocked version is faster than both when running on my class 6 card.
No Crystal Ball & No HTC Help
breytex said:
Hey guys!
Do you think, that android will EVER run as fast and smooth on a rhodium as it runs on a native andoid phone?
Can you guess aprox. when the time comes?
thx for answer :->
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The issues are drivers, drivers, drivers and null assistance from HTC. With little more than the technical docs of the Qualcomm processor shared by the Rhodium as well as native HTC & other manufacturers Android devices the developers are nothing short of being friggin amazing. It's a lot of hit n miss trial n error and we the users are the beta testers.
My initial goal of being one of many beta testers was to see whether Android is a viable replacement for my WinMo device especially in light of Microsoft's direction with WP7.
HTC is helpful to XDA developers when it helps sell current devices. Unfortunately HTC in their shortsightedness fails to see the benefit of a successful Project Android being the springboard of many to a purchase a new native Android HTC device.
So will we have drivers, drivers, drivers to make the Rhodium as good or better than a similar hardware native Android device is a question no one can answer definitively when or if ever. For the time being, I like other beta testers will avoid phone calls like the plague, but nonetheless will have enough hands on to make an educated decision whether Android is right for them.
I dont know
My setup of Android seems to be working pretty good minus a few small bugs. Main bug I would say is battery issues. All in all mine is damn quick,and definitely faster than the winmo on the device. My winmo is trim and pimped out but still runs like a turd. It's reliable but slow. My ole lady has the Epic Galaxy S, and it is indeed fast and smooth with particularly vivid color (amoled), but I am gaining a new appreciation for my TP2 again wth Android. My screen looks pretty sharp as well. I am bouncing back and forth from winmo to droid often, but I can manage to stay in droid for long periods and not miss a beat. Waking up to my new rooster alarm sound ain't too shabby either.
I am a stickler for response speeds, and winmo out of the box blew just like it does on computers. Linux has never let me down, and now neither will droid. I would like to have a way in droid to check my 10 different email address' and not just gmail, but I'm sure there's a way. Windows' ideas are ok but their performance/quality has always just been farts upwind.
One thing some people don't think about is the apps and stuff they choose to run and the things they do on their phone, but at least android attempts to warn you of the access the app is being granted on your device before you install. Phones today have cameras, mics, speakers, communications, GPS, and a G-sensor. The only thing they can't do is taste and smell (coming soon). All in all though, they are capable of knowing where you are, where you've been, what you say, and what you look like as well as possibly being remotely controlled. Enjoy, but beware
The only thing holding us back is the slow GPU and the resistive screen.
Hey
i saw many reports about the mwc in barcelona and the upcoming phones.
2 of them seem to be best, the HTC Desire with its awesome technic specs and the samsung wave with bada and nearly better specs.
what phone would you prefer, what do you think about bada and what about the new sense?
Bada is new, .. with little to no applications for it, while android have many applications in the market place (Over 9000 applications).
And with Android you can expect alot of support for it, but what kind of support you have for the Bada now?
I prefer Android phone over Bada in a heart beat (any Android phone, not Desire specifically)
irkan said:
many applications in the market place (Over 9000 applications).
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More than 30000
And for same raisons as Irkan, I prefer Android for now. I think Bada is too young and has not the same support as Android.
That whole Bada OS is not really reaching me. I have read almost no articles about it, while I check out almost all major phone websites daily.
Only thing I remember is when 7 Series news started popping @ MWC, one of these major websites said something like: 'Bada OS... wel, is a long way from how impressive 7 Series is, so we are going to talk about 7 Series and not Bada'. While it may not have been these exact words, this was the idea. I see Bada OS as a OS for the 'simple' people. People on this forum are not these 'simple people'.
But hey I could be wrong about Bada OS. Anyway, HTC Desire > Samsung Wave. I just don't buy Samsung devices anymore. Plus 3.3 inch = fail. Even 3.5 inch is to small.
I trust Samsung to make their own OS competently about as much as I trust my pet goldfish to figure out quantum physics. In other words--no. Bada OS will most likely function like a featurephone non-OS.
Bada OS - Featurephone OS. Esentially that's what it is, to power its Tocco like devices.
Android - Smartphone OS
I think this is the first Samsung's open OS, isn't?. Samsung support for closed OSs was/is very bad I admit it, but I believe that as open OS and including a market platform for apps, Bada could be a different stuff from Samsung.
On the other hand the Samsung wave specs point at the best device nowadays. 1GHz snapdragon, aluminium body, templed scratch-resistant glass surface, 1500 mAh battery, 720p recording, Radio FM, BT 3.0, and 16M-color Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen with 480 x 800 pixels resolution in addition to this you can read easily in a sunny day on this screen, and has improved viewer angle.
Simply perfect
Samsung Wave ... perhaps with Android OS???
So the Hardware Specs and Build Quality looks good.
The Bada OS would also put me off as it really doesn´t show any diffence to Andriod, except that there will be less apps.
I´d days a perfect Andriod 2.x phone.
Or could the Samsung SHW-M120S be the same with android?
Samsung make nice tvs and screens
Don't do nice OS
Android Everytime...
Think they made the wave to grab attention for bada
you should look at Samsung Galaxy S (Android 2.1).. not this bada device
No point in nice hardware if the OS isn't any good.
The only OS's worth anything in my opinion are Android, iOS and Windows Phone Mobile Seven Series Edition or whatever it's called (from what I've seen so far)
So yeah go with the Desire if they are the only two phones you are considering, though there are some better Android phones in my opinion.
leoon said:
you should look at Samsung Galaxy S (Android 2.1).. not this bada device
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And then revolt at the sight of Touchwizz? No thank you!
I just wish Samsung would use vanilla android and focus their attention on updating their phones with the latest android builds.
Imagine the galaxy s getting the froyo update just weeks after the nexus one. A lot of people would jump ship to samsung android phones just for their after sales support.
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I think this is the first Samsung's open OS, isn't?. Samsung support for closed OSs was/is very bad I admit it, but I believe that as open OS and including a market platform for apps, Bada could be a different stuff from Samsung.
On the other hand the Samsung wave specs point at the best device nowadays. 1GHz snapdragon, aluminium body, templed scratch-resistant glass surface, 1500 mAh battery, 720p recording, Radio FM, BT 3.0, and 16M-color Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen with 480 x 800 pixels resolution in addition to this you can read easily in a sunny day on this screen, and has improved viewer angle.
Simply perfect
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It doesn't have a snapdragon does it? I thought it has samsung's own hummingbird cpu like the galaxy s does...
So in that way it's even better but bada doesn't seem competative to android and others
My sister got an Samsung Wave some month ago because she is in a Samsung Developer Program. Having played around with it and a Nexus One ive got to say:
Pro:
Bada is faster and snappier than Android 2.1 (don't know about 2.2).
Every App i tested ran more fluently and the battery drain was lower than on the Nexus One. From an Performance and Stability Point of View i think Bada is the better OS.
It's going to be cheaper than any comparable Device because Samsung wants to push Bada with it.
Con:
Currently there is a ridiculously small amount of applications out there, not even one Car-Navigation App. This is the Show-Stopper for me because i use my Xpera X1 currently for Music(SenseMp3), Car Navigation (TomTom), Mails and Browsing and to give up on the Hardware Keyboard that lets me write longer mails without pain and to give up on the Car Navigation Feature is just not imaginable for me.
Developing own Applications for Bada is Done in C++ which makes it quite harder for anyone who loves the convenience of Java or Python. But i think this is a reason why its OS works so well on its own.
Samsung Wave with Android
The build quality seams much better than the Glaxay S.
So is it not possible to port a nicer Android OS to the Samsung Wave?
Or it it that hard to get Bada off the Phone?
I mean they ported Android to the Iphone 3gs already.
I just really dont like Samsung devices.. they are too much like cheap chinese toys with really bizarre functions that never quite step up to the mark.
I'm sure they've released a couple of serious handsets but all the ones I've used are very much WTF!?!?!
Agreed with previous , with phones samsung not going well ,
but looking on hardware specs i consider to take this one -
just if it will be in android os!!!
Since buying my Omnia II im so disillusiond with samsung. It had the best specs when it came on the market. But the horrible OS thats on it! I had to buy a shell and have flashed numerous roms to be able to use the phone anywhere near normal. And now a year later the phone still has not got working opengl drivers. And development has probably stopped on the phone.
Never a samsung again for me.
I'm so jealous of you guys who have a desire (just a few more months till contract renewal!!)
I've both wave and desire, what should i say ... the wave is a nice piece of electronics, fantastic display and good quality but bada is not as good as samsung want us to believe. very little apps, half-baked apps (email e.g.) and often unintuitive handling. It has not that flexibility android has. But in deed batterylife is much better then any other smartphone i know except blackberrys and we've to consider that its version 1.0, so maybe bada's development is as fast as android's - as is know samsung, i don't believe.
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Never a samsung again for me.
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It's looks like similar for me, but for Eten devices, so at least clear now the situation.
Then need to wait similar device from HTC , about 3.2-3.5", 1GHz, small weight and powerful battery on Android
I`m a bit confused right now ... i really loved the HTC evo 4G but since i live in India ... i cant get my hands on that...
The only good phones i am left with are desire , xperia x10 or samsung galaxy
Pls let me know which one should i go for
And i wanted to know how are the games in desire .. are they even comparable to iphone games??... and can it be jailbreaked like the iphone????
heres a youtube vid of nova on the desire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vn2DuPeE-E
Avoid the Xperia X10, mainly due to the terrible terrible battery life and the fact it's still running Android 1.6, as well has having much lower performance than the Desire and Nexus One which use almost identical internals.
As for 'jailbreaking', in Android circles the equivalent is known as 'rooting' to enable you to install all the awesome custom firmwares available on this forum to enable new features, speed up your device or even get the latest versions of Android before they're even released.
Games-wise, there is a decent selection, but truthfully the iPhone is the king of mobile gaming. I haven't found this to be a problem however, as I realised after owning an iPod Touch before my android phone that with most games I'll play them for a few minutes when I download them and then never really touch them again. I use music, video, email, social networking and general internet browsing far more.
As for Desire vs Galaxy S...kind of hard to choose.
Galaxy S Pros and Cons:
+ Large, amazing Super AMOLED screen
+ Most powerful Android device out, especially it's GPU (for 3D games)
+ DivX video support
+ Video-out if you want to connect it to a screen
+ Reportedly great sound quality for headphones
+ Battery life better than most other high-end Android phones
- The phone itself looks like a cheap iPhone ripoff (why Samsung why?!)
- Samsung use their 'TouchWiz' interface on top of Android which looks kind of ugly and adds little
- Samsung don't have a good track record with updates...they've confirmed Froyo but no word on whether it'll ever get anything above that
- Reportedly all custom roms will need to be based off Samsung's official roms, so won't have as large a variety as HTC phones
- Apparently many users have had GPS problems
HTC Desire Pros and Cons:
+ Huge variety of custom roms
+ Similarity with Nexus One means since Nexus One gets updates first, most can be quickly ported to Desire
+ HTC Sense interface on top of Android looks great and improves usability (especially the widgets)
+ HTC's default apps for mail, weather, etc are extremely well designed
+ Will most likely be able to run Android 3.0 (Gingerbread) ported from the Nexus One once it's released
+ Very good build quality and nicer-looking hardware
- Battery life not as good
- Smaller screen that's regular AMOLED rather than Samsung's new variety
- Not as powerful as Galaxy S
Hope that helps! I'm currently in the middle of deciding between the Desire and Galaxy S myself, so done a fair bit of research and tried both out.
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- Not as powerful as Galaxy S
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as you can see my quadrant score says diffrent
That would be because you're running Froyo, which the Galaxy S has been confirmed to be receiving later this year. =P
The more apt comparison is lower on that graph showing the 2.1 Desire and Nexus One far lower than the 2.1 Galaxy S.
well thanks for that .. i am leaning towards htc desire more now ... just to confirm are there any better andriod phones in the market which are gsm and available outside US ??
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as you can see my quadrant score says diffrent
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Which battery meter are you using?
vinayendra: since you mentioned only games in your post, my advice to you is to avoid android platform and go with Iphone if games are your priority...
If you still need to choose between these 3 phones, Galaxy would be your choice, cause it's better GPU will be advantage with games
I cant speak for the galaxy S but having used both desire and the xperia the desire wins hands down. The xperia is really laggy and the old version of android is a deal breaker. Once sony pull their fingers out and update the xperia it might be a different story but I dont think we will see that for a few more months yet
the only advantage the xperia has is the large internal apps storage, you dont need to root it if your wanting loads of apps unlike the desire
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heres a youtube vid of nova on the desire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vn2DuPeE-E
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id love to know how to get that game running on my desire, I had it for my palm pre and loved it but the desire just gives me a black screen then it closes
djoni1980 said:
vinayendra: since you mentioned only games in your post, my advice to you is to avoid android platform and go with Iphone if games are your priority...
If you still need to choose between these 3 phones, Galaxy would be your choice, cause it's better GPU will be advantage with games
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Games or not my priority .. i already have a ipod touch ... for me the main things are cool apps maybe even GPS , email and very good user interface ... i have a htc 3G touch ... it really sucks ...after having that i had decided not to go for HTC again ... But i cant buy iphone 4 as it takes a year to come to my country ... and i heard andriod phones are awesome ... so going back to HTC
So anyone owns a desire .. plz tell the pros and cons of desire which u felt while using
Take the desire you wont regret it.and someone already mentiond pros & cons on page 1.
You only have to choose
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That would be because you're running Froyo, which the Galaxy S has been confirmed to be receiving later this year. =P
The more apt comparison is lower on that graph showing the 2.1 Desire and Nexus One far lower than the 2.1 Galaxy S.
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can you not read? it clearly says samsung galaxy s 2.2 on the benchmark
pms said:
Which battery meter are you using?
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the one that comes with the expresso theme for 2.2 sence roms
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can you not read? it clearly says samsung galaxy s 2.2 on the benchmark
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LOL, actually it says <2.2, which is 2.1
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LOL, actually it says <2.2, which is 2.1
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oh yeah so it does lol
If you have access to those phones in India go and try them out in person because you won't have a clue on what everyone is going on about except for prior experience on your old Touch.
An Android phone is perfect if you live your online life through Google, if you don't I suggest you move.
An iPhone is known for simplicity and just working until you somehow manage to get yourself into the zoom feature and you're screwed unless you know the zoom out function. These high end phones are true powerhouses in pocket computing and are for more than showing off to your mates that you have a cool phone. If that's all you're going to do, you deserve an iPhone. If you're rolling up your sleeves and learning how to individualise yourself from every other Android user out there then you will quickly learn about live wallpapers, widgets, shortcuts and button combinations. Go further than that and its roms, themes, radios, adb commands so on and so forth.
Know what you want and shop according to it. One of these phones will tick most if not all of your needs and wants. Or something in the near future will. Between the 2 phones, out of the box you are looking at a difference of interface more than anything else. Really suggest you go try them out.
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If you have access to those phones in India go and try them out in person because you won't have a clue on what everyone is going on about except for prior experience on your old Touch.
An Android phone is perfect if you live your online life through Google, if you don't I suggest you move.
An iPhone is known for simplicity and just working until you somehow manage to get yourself into the zoom feature and you're screwed unless you know the zoom out function. These high end phones are true powerhouses in pocket computing and are for more than showing off to your mates that you have a cool phone. If that's all you're going to do, you deserve an iPhone. If you're rolling up your sleeves and learning how to individualise yourself from every other Android user out there then you will quickly learn about live wallpapers, widgets, shortcuts and button combinations. Go further than that and its roms, themes, radios, adb commands so on and so forth.
Know what you want and shop according to it. One of these phones will tick most if not all of your needs and wants. Or something in the near future will. Between the 2 phones, out of the box you are looking at a difference of interface more than anything else. Really suggest you go try them out.
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I'd mostly agree with that.
Android phones really are 'enthusiast' phones, in the sense that you get out of them what you put in. For example, customising it to work exactly how you want and look how you want it to look.
The iPhone is made as a very controlled system, so you have only the absolute minimum freedom (ie: change your wallpaper or order of icons). This is ideal for many people who want something that just 'works' and has been tuned to be an intuitive experience for the majority of people.
Android is based around making your phone uniquely yours, such as through the use of the homescreens to fill with whatever you want (widgets, controls, shortcuts, folders, etc). What this means is it requires more time and attention than an iPhone, but the end result is a phone and way of working that is of your own design.
Think of it like Lego:
- the iPhone is where you follow the instructions and get what is shown in the picture on the box (which can annoy people who want to do their own thing).
- Android is where you are given a pile of lego bricks to build whatever you want, so it's far more personalised even if it's not as polished as the iPhone (which can confuse or put of people who prefer a guiding hand and it to be done for them)
I'm happy to sacrifice some polish in the interface for the chance to really make my phone mine, but there are many who feel the other way. That's why it's great we have the oppurtunity to choose between Android and iOS (and soon Windows Phone 7, which seems like a halfway point between the two).
thanks for all that ... Now i am convinced to go for a desire which i will buy sometime this week
i have a small doubt ( a n00b one) .. whats the use of "rooting" and installing ROM`s???.. is it the same as "jailbreaking" in iphone where i can install paid apps and games for free and play with my looks ?? ... or is there anyother use??
i have HTC Desire which i bough from a friend in England, (i live in Seattle) and absolutely love it. My co-worker has Tmobile Samsung Vibrant. Ill give my impressions and quick pros and cons, i may sound little bias but here it is.
Samsung Galaxy Pros
Large SuperAMOLED screen, true 800x480 res, multitouch (Which, while is brighter than the Desire, not that much better, almost cant tell the difference.)
Better battery life, Galaxy also comes with 1500 mAh battery whereas Desire come with 1400 mAh ( again only one day of test with moderate use)
Better GPU
16 Gb of internal storage (which is a huge plus)
720p @30 frames video capture (which also is possible on the Desire with a custom ROM)
Cons
Built quality is extremely cheap, back is shiny plastic which is prone to scratches
Has ugly iphone 3GS style bezel around the screen
No camera flash (this one is a huge let down by Samsung which is beyond any comprehension)
Ugly UI which is a blatant iOS rip off (this one may be strictly preferential depending if you like iOS look or not)
Samsungs proven lack of support track record
Not clear whether gonna have large dev support on XDA
External speaker is horrible, tiny sound (Desire is the same)
That is all i can think of at the moment
Desire Cons
Uses old Clear pad 2000 touch panel which lacks true multitouch support or supports it in a broken way (you can google Nexus one touch screen problems, there is 70 pages plus thread about it)
Uses Cheap Pentile pixel arrangement, which some argue is better for media but horrible if ou spend most of the time reading text on your device. ( you can google Pentile on Nexus One, Anandtech.com has very informative article about this)
Eternal speaker is horrible, sound is tiny and quite
video capture is crap
When using on low brightness, screen has pink hue
Battery life is mediocre
Pros
Built quality is way better than Galaxy, also looks sophisticated compared to Galaxy
Camera flash
Huge support from XDA developers since it is almost identical to Nexus One
Runs Sense, although i equally hate Sense, it is a lot better that TouchWiz
Has hardware buttons (this one is a deal breaker for me as Galaxy touch sensitive buttons are unresponsive at times and generally suck)
AMOLED is almost as good as Galaxy's ( aside from cheap ass touch panel that HTC used on Desire and Nexus One, why HTC why)
That is all i can think of at the moment. I am eligible for an upgrade with Tmobile, but i think ill keep the Desire. Just better phone aside from crappy screen. Hope this helps
hi, i'm now using a Cooked WinMO HTC Touch HD and very divided weather to go for HTC Desire or iPhone 4 .. Both has their Pro but i have only play with their default OS and seen video demos on their features..
1) ex-WinMO users, how do you bring all ur contacts, sms, calender over to HTC Desire ?
2) Does a Rooted HTC Desire has better multi-touch ? I seen a video comparing HTC Desire & Samsung Galaxy and HTC Desire seem to lose out ?
3) Are you able to play videos on FB on HTC Desire ? I have a crappy FB app on my WinMo which is useless.. hahaa
4) Any ex-iPhone JB users can share what's the pro & cons for both OS ?
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hi, i'm now using a Cooked WinMO HTC Touch HD and very divided weather to go for HTC Desire or iPhone 4 .. Both has their Pro but i have only play with their default OS and seen video demos on their features..
1) ex-WinMO users, how do you bring all ur contacts, sms, calender over to HTC Desire ?
2) Does a Rooted HTC Desire has better multi-touch ? I seen a video comparing HTC Desire & Samsung Galaxy and HTC Desire seem to lose out ?
3) Are you able to play videos on FB on HTC Desire ? I have a crappy FB app on my WinMo which is useless.. hahaa
4) Any ex-iPhone JB users can share what's the pro & cons for both OS ?
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1) theres a few ways i think but ive never done it, maybe others can tell you!
2) the desire dosent have multi touch only dual touch, the iphone is better
3) yes & yes with flash in browser
Desire is the one
Hi,
I was / 'am' the biggest Apple fan out there, had all the iPhones and JB'ed all of them, thought what could be done on JB was brill....until I tried the Desire / Android which I bought because I was bored with the iPhone, expected to keep it a week and then fall back to the iPhone and sell the Android.
Well I ended up selling the iPhone and loving my Desire, everything you achieved by JB'ing the Apple you do out of the box with Android, then rooting it takes it to a whole new level of 'fiddling' and getting a config which you want.
Get the Desire, no question.
Thanks for all your reply..i'm inching closer to Desire soon ...
Just one last qns .. comparing the apps (not including games) is Desire able to match iPhone ones ?
currently on my mind i can think i need is audio translator..
I moved from WinMo (HTC Touch Pro) to a Desire. I was worried I would miss some of the WinMo functions but i dont !
Contacts copied straight across from PC using HTC Sync provided. I did miss the syncing with Outlook until i figured I could autoforward my account to a googlemail account and get the best of both worlds.
video is poor out of the box on the Desire but a quick download of Rockplayer brings it back up to (and beyond) WinMo video.
Games are much better for Android than WinMo (although maybe not yet on a par with iPhone for sheer volume of games - but how many games do you really need ??)
MS Office also worried me moving from WinMo but there are plenty of apps out there to sort you out.
All the stuff that you relied on chefs doing for you on WinMo you can do on Android just by downloading apps from the Marketplace.
Go for the Desire. I was dubious but Im now a committed Android groupie
I have an iPhone 4 (personal) and the Desire (work). If you are a casual user I would say go with the iPhone. If Facebook is a big concern I can say with confidence that the iPhone app is better.
IPhone 4 pros:
Amazing screen
Better keyboard (comparing to stock HTC sense keyboard)
Easier to use for the average user
Better battery life
Better multi-tasking (for the average user)
Desire pros:
More customization options out of the box
Better Google maps app
Better goggle integration (which I love)
I know some will disagree with me, but that is how I feel. I love both phones, and they both appeal to different parts of my personality. I think if you are not much of a tweaker then you are better off with the iPhone. Hope this helps.
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Better multi-tasking (for the average user)
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Serious question - can you explain why you think this?
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Answering to question 1:
I ran a google sync on the HTC Touch Pro WM phone, then when i logged in on my Desire everything just reappeared!
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Serious question - can you explain why you think this?
Thanks,
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Indeed i'd like to know how the heck the iOS4 can handle multitasking better than Android..!!
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Serious question - can you explain why you think this?
Thanks,
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I too am curious to your thinking. One thing I noticed from my friends iPhone is that when he brings up the multitasking thing at the bottom he can scroll through everything that's running as opposed to the 8 latest apps that the android shows. But I've never actually found it to be an issue personally.
Also in relation to the OT, I have never owned a iPhone (only my currently rooted Desire) but my friend who used to have a 3G and recently chose the iPhone4 over other choices says that while he is happy with how the iPhone runs, he does kind of wish he could customise it like I can with my Desire.
AndroHero said:
1) theres a few ways i think but ive never done it, maybe others can tell you!
2) the desire dosent have multi touch only dual touch, the iphone is better
3) yes & yes with flash in browser
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WTF, the Desire does have multi touch, you must be confusing it with Xperia X10 which has dual touch instead of multi touch as sony didn't want the possibility of being sued be Apple.
It should be noted though that Apple didn't invent multi touch.
I was using Touch Diamond with custom ROM for two years, Few weeks ago I switched to android (have choosen DESIRE).
I could not made a better choice. Not yet brave enough to ROOT it )))).
Really the phone is excelent, speed and UI is great, customization possibilities are as good as I was used with WM.
Flash is also working without any problems, so is multi-touch. Even iPhone 3GS users were impressed ))))).
T.
neo158 said:
WTF, the Desire does have multi touch, you must be confusing it with Xperia X10 which has dual touch instead of multi touch as sony didn't want the possibility of being sued be Apple.
It should be noted though that Apple didn't invent multi touch.
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It is a well known fact that the Desire, unfortunatelly, doesnt have proper multi-touch. It has a somewhat refined dual-touch ability, but in games, it has some issues here and there. You can see it downloading a simple app from the market for touch testing. Thats the only thing im somewhat jealous of the other multi-touch phones (galaxy s, iphail).
But the only thing im jealous the most about the iphone is its scratch resistant screen.. that makes me cry every time i realize that our screens are made from glass only.. :/
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Let me preface this with the fact that I am running both of these devices in parallel right now. Also, I have 5 of the desires in production in our corporate network (which I am in charge of troubleshooting)
As of yet, the Android doesn't have a way of naitvely handling the problem of multitasking for the average jo-blo. "dl this app, then every now and then check to see if apps are open, otherwise your battery will drain" Is what I find myself telling users.
This is not that case with the iPhone. Multitasking battery savings is done automatically for the average user.
I know that most people reading this are power users, so closing out of tasks is no big deal, however, this is an enormous task for the average user, and I really feel that Apple has done an awesome job with the whole multitasking idea, and have made it very easy for the average end user to use the phone.
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As of yet, the Android doesn't have a way of naitvely handling the problem of multitasking for the average jo-blo. "dl this app, then every now and then check to see if apps are open, otherwise your battery will drain" Is what I find myself telling users.
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Hi,
I disagree! I do absolutely nothing to "manage" multi-tasking on my phone and suffer no problems with battery.
In contrast, the vast majority of iPhone apps don't multi-task at all anyway, so I can't see how it can be better.
Regards,
Dave
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Let me preface this with the fact that I am running both of these devices in parallel right now. Also, I have 5 of the desires in production in our corporate network (which I am in charge of troubleshooting)
As of yet, the Android doesn't have a way of naitvely handling the problem of multitasking for the average jo-blo. "dl this app, then every now and then check to see if apps are open, otherwise your battery will drain" Is what I find myself telling users.
This is not that case with the iPhone. Multitasking battery savings is done automatically for the average user.
I know that most people reading this are power users, so closing out of tasks is no big deal, however, this is an enormous task for the average user, and I really feel that Apple has done an awesome job with the whole multitasking idea, and have made it very easy for the average end user to use the phone.
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The iPhone's method of showing what apps are running is nicer and it is a pain to have to download an app just to see what is running on your phone. But on the Desire you don't actually have to go closing everything. Apps running in the background do not drain battery while sitting idle. Using apps like Advanced Task Killer should really only be used to close problem apps, not to constantly shutdown everything that is running.
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The iPhone's method of showing what apps are running is nicer and it is a pain to have to download an app just to see what is running on your phone. But on the Desire you don't actually have to go closing everything. Apps running in the background do not drain battery while sitting idle. Using apps like Advanced Task Killer should really only be used to close problem apps, not to constantly shutdown everything that is running.
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As of 2.2 we have a "sort-a" built in task killer so no need for 3rd party stuff... as for your other claim, indeed the apps dont drain battery at all (well..not as much..) so i really dont get it when people say that background apps drain battery and what else.. i dont have any battery drainage whatsoever, and if i dont use wifi at all, my battery can last 2 days easily...
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I have a SonyEricsson Xperia X1 which is starting to break down and I'm thinking of getting a new phone. The Desire Z is the only non-Xperia phone I found that has everything I need. How is it? Pros? Cons? Battery life? GPS?
Also, I'm new to Android because the Xperia X1 has WinMo. What are the drawbacks of Android? The pros I already know of. How's the freeware app availability and development? (I will never pay for an application.) How about the advanced user customization? (I liked that about WinMo. Registry editing and changing files.)
Thanks for any answers!
Here's my review of the Desire Z based on my review (note: this is my first mobile device with something better than WinMo 5.
It has a nice performance (unless you're running something like HTC Sense 3.0+ HTC Sense). The keyboard (if you use it) is very comfortable and it features a "search" and a "menu" key, plus 2 shortcuts, the only thing I would like is an extra row for numbers (but I'm already used to the soft keyboard so I rarely use it). I wish I could review the stock rom, but I removed it after 2 days (and this is my first android phone). Battery life is OK, I get 1 day of battery life with medium use (screen on for like 4 hours, nothing heavy running), however, I bought my phone used, so I think the battery should have been better if it was new. The camera is OK for taking casual photos, the flash does a very good job for taking in dark places, just don't expect "ultra sharp" quality. The speaker is very loud, however, I find myself most of the time putting my hands on the back of the phone to "bounce" back the sound to myself, as the speaker is on the back side.
As for android, there are a lot of free applications, however, the market sometimes has apps that are useless or malicious (although you'll usually only notice them after scrolling a lot down). There's also something called GetJar, where you can get apps for free every week legally (they call them "gold apps"). Most of the apps you'll need will be free (soft keyboards, launchers, email apps) and most of them will be free but will have a "pro" or "donate" version (usually the free ones will have ads, which I can easily ignore, as they're usually small.
Sorry for any typo, English isn't my main language.
Time has long since passed to ditch Winmo. The drawbacks to Android? There aren't any. Winmo is a joke for lag, memory leakage, instability, and crashing. Android is stable and fast; and enjoys huge support from manufacturers, developers, and the user community. There is no "registry" since that is a Windows invention. But there are hacks and mods for anything you would ever want to do, and much more. Trust me, make the move to Android, and you will never look back on Winmo (except to shake your head and laugh).
There are plenty of free or ad-supported apps on the Market, as far as most any utility you would need. And also good quality free games. But really, why such an adamant stance on paying for apps? What would be the big deal in PAYING for software, if its something well made, that you use frequently, and say costs $1 (less than a Euro). That amount of money is completely insignificant for me when spend on something useful like a good app. God forbid the people that develop software should be compensated for it, and motivated to create other quality software, and to continue supporting their apps with updates and bug fixes? User made freeware is fine an all, and there is certainly good stuff out there. But its not going to fill every hole or need.
The con with the DZ is that its over a year old. This is really old in smartphone terms. Good phones with hardware keyboards are indeed rare. But aside from the keyboard, the Z has really fallen far behind in terms of CPU, memory, and other specs. If you are really hung up on a hardware keyboard, and can get a good deal on a Z, then go for it. Otherwise, I'd use my money on a more current device.
Thanks for the replies, guys!
Yes, the physical keyboard is a must. It's so much easier and faster than virtual keyboards. If I have to write more than three consecutive letters, I'll flip the keyboard open instead of trying to write with the virtual one. I do a lot of writing with my phones. My work phone is a Galaxy S and I have tried pretty much every keyboard it has, but they're all equally horrible. The same with my Xperia. I blame my first ever smartphone, the Nokia Communicator 9500. It was huge and awkward, but it had the comfiest keyboard ever.
The Xperia X1 has otherwise 95% of what I need, but it's starting to physically break and it has become abominably slow and unstable. And it wasn't that great to begin with. In hindsight, I really should have bought a HTC phone (assuming there existed one with a physical keyboard at the time).
The reason I won't pay for apps is because what has happened to me quite a many times with both my phone and my computer. I buy a program or app I need, happily use it and after a month, discover that there has existed a free alternative the whole time that is actually better. Cue me being pissed off. I have learned my lesson and right now, there is no software on my phone that I paid for and the only software on my computer that actually costed money are the operating system and games. That doesn't mean I won't donate to the authors of the software afterwards.
The only experience I have with Android is via my work phone, but I don't know about how customizable it is, because the work phone has been heavily restricted.
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The Xperia X1 has otherwise 95% of what I need, but it's starting to physically break and it has become abominably slow and unstable. And it wasn't that great to begin with. In hindsight, I really should have bought a HTC phone (assuming there existed one with a physical keyboard at the time).
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The Xperia X1 was made by HTC.
Oh, well, something other than the X1, then, preferably something that used HTC's UI.
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Oh, well, something other than the X1, then, preferably something that used HTC's UI.
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i thought buying an HTC cellphone is reather better than other android cellphones for 2 things:
1- its tough... it doesn't break easily, even with tiny hinges holding the screen...
2- it has Sense UI...
but turns out, Sense UI really affects performance, even on stock unrooted, the phone was really slow... although HTC Sense offers great look... but no performance comparing to other UIs
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but turns out, Sense UI really affects performance, even on stock unrooted, the phone was really slow... although HTC Sense offers great look... but no performance comparing to other UIs
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I've only found the launcher (home screen and app tray, for the OP) itself to really be any effect on performance, and its easy enough to use an alternate launcher. And the lag on the Sense launcher is really not as bad as some make it out to be.
Its purely a matter of personal taste, of course. But my personal opinion is that Sense is a much more aesthetic, refined, and unified Android experience than AOSP, or other manufacturer skins.
Of course, the beauty of Android is that if you don't like Sense, you can always flash a more vanilla ROM, or something else like MIUI.
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The reason I won't pay for apps is because what has happened to me quite a many times with both my phone and my computer. I buy a program or app I need, happily use it and after a month, discover that there has existed a free alternative the whole time that is actually better. Cue me being pissed off. I have learned my lesson and right now, there is no software on my phone that I paid for and the only software on my computer that actually costed money are the operating system and games. That doesn't mean I won't donate to the authors of the software afterwards.
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If you are just talking utilities and useful apps, I think you will be right at home on Android. I honestly can't think of any utilities that you HAVE to pay for. Many are either free, or have a paid premium version with extra features (or remove ads), if you like the free version and decide to pay.
Desire Z it is, then!
I can get one from two different places without a nordic keyboard for ~300€ or one with nordic keyboard for ~500€. Guess which one I'll buy...
I came to Android on the DZ from a WinMo phone. Best move I ever made, Android made my old WinMo (which I was happy with at the time) look like a laggy, clunky joke.
Welcome to Android !
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.
If you want a qwerty-slider android phone I don't think you can do better than the DZ. My preferred rom is virtuous affinity - this give a smooth and very usable sense 3.5 experience. However, I would do think this phone is at the end of its lifespan. The built in ram and the single core cpu are going to limit how much further it can be pushed and I don't think we are ever going to see usable/smooth ics or sense 4 on this handset.
If you want a qwerty-slider android phone I don't think you can do better than the DZ - but I wish there was!! Come on HTC where's the quad core 4.7in HD qwerty-slider I want so badly
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If you want a qwerty-slider android phone I don't think you can do better than the DZ - but I wish there was!! Come on HTC where's the quad core 4.7in HD qwerty-slider I want so badly
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This a million times! I'm astonished that there's so few sliders with full keyboards out there. The market is dominated by those goddamn slates. I've watched my friends write with the virtual keyboards of iPhones, Galaxies and whatever, and it always looks slow, clumsy and awkward. They even have to use predictive text input to compensate for the slowness. In contrast, writing with a QWERTY thumb keyboard is a breeze. The Desire Z is apparently pretty much the newest and best Android slider there is on the market, but it still has a WVGA screen, while pretty much every new slate has some HD-super-gizmo screen. What the hell? My Xperia has a WVGA...
But anyway, seeing as I can get a DZ for LESS (~300€) than I paid for my X1 (~450€), I'm happy even though it might not be the fastest and newest there is.
I'm a big fan of hardware keyboards too. I switched from the Motorola Droid to the HTC G2. I found the keyboard on the G2 to be not so good. Not sure if it's just because I got mine used on ebay and it was worn, but it doesn't look like it's worn out. I've noticed the keyboard tends to miss/duplicate keystrokes often. So I've been tending to use the on screen keyboard, which is really good. I think the on screen keys are bigger than on the droid so it's pretty easy to type on. But I found the hardware keyboard to be much slower to type on than the Droid.
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I've noticed the keyboard tends to miss/duplicate keystrokes often.
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That could be from wear. The keyboard of my X1 worked flawlessly in the beginning, now it duplicates and misses keystrokes all the time. It's still better than the virtual keyboards, though...