Samsung has already flexed its muscles by dictating to the US carriers what the GS3 will look like and be named. Despite this, Sprint seems to be calling the shots with this Epic Touch ICS update right now by holding it back for the GS3 launch.
It is pretty clear (to me at least) that FF18 will be the OTA release for ICS. I think at this point Samsung should basically just give the finger to Sprint and "accidentally" leak the source for FF18 for the Epic Touch.
I mean really, what do they have to lose?
Its all about the Benjamins you know the motto.... If they leak the upgrade now you may or may not want to get the GS3 but if they hold off and the GS3 is your only way of getting ICS then hmmmmmmm...
Let the GS3 hit the streets for a week or two and they get their initial money and then they will probably give us our upgrade to ICS. You know how it is, just like record sales or movie sales the first week is usually the big one.
Bottom line I think its all about how to generate the most revenue out of this
You dont bite the hand that feeds you
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Sprint is doing the same thing to the Evo 3D users too, hold off on the update & sell as many Evo LTE's & GS3's as possible, I don't like it either, but its business. I'm just hoping that Samsung will release source early like they did for Gingerbread on the Epic last November, we had source almost 3 weeks before Sprint pushed the update.
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Why would Sprint drop ICS on the S2 before the S3 with ICS hits the shelves? Thats the dumbest business move ever. Of course they are gonna wait a bit for the S3 to generate some cash then when they feel they have pulled enough subscribers, theyll give the older ones their treat. Yeah Sammy could screw Sprint over and leak the source but that would not make Mr. Hesse happy and Sammy doesnt wanna do that. Like edlivian said Sprint brings Sammy a decent piece of the pie. Why would they intentionally burn that bridge?
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Thank you! I guess I'm not the only one that understands business. Someone said the same thing last week here in general and i told them damn near the same thing you just did.
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I'm not interested in them releasing the OTA before the GS3 has its turn in the sun, guys, just source. Most people don't know what to do with source anyway so how can it hurt?
I might be mistaken on this but there is another legal aspect:
GPL was mentioned on another thread regarding the eMMC fix that stated it would violate GPL to release source if the official release did not match. Since no official confirmation has come from Sprint that FF18 is the OTA I don't think they can legally do it until that is given to them.
Oddly enough the i777 source hasn't dropped either so it also might be that they're holding back until a solution for the eMMC lockup is both in agreement, developed and passed to carriers. That is purely speculative though as follow-up inquires to OSRC, Mr. Sumrall and Samsung R&D have so far been unanswered.
I understand they want to make money but hasn't this phone not even been out a year yet? I don't know about everyone else but really, who the hell can upgrade to the gsIII or evo lte without going off contract and paying full price?? U guys make no sense. It's not time for our upgrade yet!
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I understand they want to make money but hasn't this phone not even been out a year yet? I don't know about everyone else but really, who the hell can upgrade to the gsIII or evo lte without going off contract and paying full price?? U guys make no sense. It's not time for our upgrade yet!
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ya seriously.. i for one if get the sgs3 it will be with verizon.. screw sprints network where i live.. if we even have service its crap and no know date for lte at all in site. most likely after 2014.. theyve been teasing us with leaks as long as the phones been out almost and have other phones such as the g nexus that have ics already so not like the sgs3 is the only one sprint has with ics.. if people are going to get a new phone they will. they need to stop playing with there customers who are anxiously waiting because the longer they wait the more frustrated we get.. if its about business give us what we want! competition is tough these days and business in the cell phone industry you have to maintain the customers u have now.. since almost everyone has a cell already, you must take customers from other carriers.. if we dont have sgs2 source yet and other carriers do, whos to say someone wont go to a competitor with a better network and buy a used sgs2 with source for ics and get the sgs3 upgrade? better business sprint?? not necessarily, but frustrating to the sgs2 owners who have been teased with multiple leaks and speculation and arent even ready to upgrade to the sgs3 yet. what do we get? the short end of the stick! stop worrying about new revenue and focus on the customers and network you currently have! if not you will lose customers to the competition who have better network, give us source, and have the same devices available
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ya seriously.. i for one if get the sgs3 it will be with verizon.. screw sprints network where i live.. if we even have service its crap and no know date for lte at all in site. most likely after 2014.. theyve been teasing us with leaks as long as the phones been out almost and have other phones such as the g nexus that have ics already so not like the sgs3 is the only one sprint has with ics.. if people are going to get a new phone they will. they need to stop playing with there customers who are anxiously waiting because the longer they wait the more frustrated we get.. if its about business give us what we want! competition is tough these days and business in the cell phone industry you have to maintain the customers u have now.. since almost everyone has a cell already, you must take customers from other carriers.. if we dont have sgs2 source yet and other carriers do, whos to say someone wont go to a competitor with a better network and buy a used sgs2 with source for ics and get the sgs3 upgrade? better business sprint?? not necessarily, but frustrating to the sgs2 owners who have been teased with multiple leaks and speculation and arent even ready to upgrade to the sgs3 yet. what do we get? the short end of the stick! stop worrying about new revenue and focus on the customers and network you currently have! if not you will lose customers to the competition who have better network, give us source, and have the same devices available
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If u have bad service where u live well that just sucks. But as much as we hate to admit it Sprint really does have the best plans for the price I think. I get pretty decent service where I live. Never had wimax and definitely will never see lte but that's ok. I'm probably not alone on not seeing lte. Unlimited 3g is still nice though. I just don't see how people justify them not giving us source because of the gsIII. I don't know about u but I don't have 600 bucks to throw away when I haven't even had this phone for a year yet.
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exactly lol.. my point is also in retaining its current customers.. yes we have unltd data which is nice.. and seems like were in the same boat! but sprint is delaying our ics source because of the sgs3.. way to treat your loyal customers who bought the sgs2 last year.. i bet the ppl with sgs3 wont get jelly bean for a while until sprint releases there first phone with jelly bean lol.. we will be left to using ports and custom roms which in my opinion are better than anything sprint can throw at us.. they should give us what we want, and will still generate revenue from new sgs3 owners at the same time.. and lte will attract new customers however late sprint is jumping on that ship.. but what about us? that was my point lol
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If u have bad service where u live well that just sucks. But as much as we hate to admit it Sprint really does have the best plans for the price I think. I get pretty decent service where I live. Never had wimax and definitely will never see lte but that's ok. I'm probably not alone on not seeing lte. Unlimited 3g is still nice though. I just don't see how people justify them not giving us source because of the gsIII. I don't know about u but I don't have 600 bucks to throw away when I haven't even had this phone for a year yet.
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yeah im not sure why so many people are complaining. If u want the official ICS that badly go blow ur money on the GS3 a year after u bought the GS2. Otherwise you have to wait just like everyone else. Don't expect the newest technology to just be handed to u on a silver platter just cuz you own an earlier version of it. Sprint doesn't owe you a thing. No where in your contract with them does it state that they "owe" you and OS upgrade in x amount of time. They do OTA upgrades as a courtesy when it makes sense to them. They are in the business to take customers away from other carriers and keep their current ones mostly satisfied on the side. If that's not enough then thats the beauty of capitalism. Find another carrier and pay more. You can't have it all.
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yeah im not sure why so many people are complaining. If u want the official ICS that badly go blow ur money on the GS3 a year after u bought the GS2. Otherwise you have to wait just like everyone else. Don't expect the newest technology to just be handed to u on a silver platter just cuz you own an earlier version of it. Sprint doesn't owe you a thing. No where in your contract with them does it state that they "owe" you and OS upgrade in x amount of time. They do OTA upgrades as a courtesy when it makes sense to them. They are in the business to take customers away from other carriers and keep their current ones mostly satisfied on the side. If that's not enough then thats the beauty of capitalism. Find another carrier and pay more. You can't have it all.
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Well like I already said I'm happy with Sprint. They have good price for their plans which r Truly unlimited. And I'm running ics right now so it's all good. Source would make it that much better though. GsIII probably would be a good upgrade I'm just not eligible right now like most. And from what some people with that device have said they aren't that impressed anyway.
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Well like I already said I'm happy with Sprint. They have good price for their plans which r Truly unlimited. And I'm running ics right now so it's all good. Source would make it that much better though. GsIII probably would be a good upgrade I'm just not eligible right now like most. And from what some people with that device have said they aren't that impressed anyway.
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yea.. better screen.. more ram.. i personally hope by the time i can upgrade if i stick with sprint will go for a quad core phone if its out lol
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What's so wrong with the ICS leaks we've got so far? Been using it as my daily driver for a while now and I couldn't be happier honestly
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What's so wrong with the ICS leaks we've got so far? Been using it as my daily driver for a while now and I couldn't be happier honestly
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Don't know. I'm running sfhubb's FF18 fire a while now with no problems. Everyone seems to think source would make a really big difference but I don't see how.
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imagine our amazing roms and then some.. aosp roms would be better with a lot more customization and tweaks.. were anxious for better roms.. but agreed, current roms are already awesome!
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Don't know. I'm running sfhubb's FF18 fire a while now with no problems. Everyone seems to think source would make a really big difference but I don't see how.
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It would help mostly with the kernels.
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You dont bite the hand that feeds you
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Well said
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Honest opinion? do u think we will get source from sammy soon?
This isnt a bash sammy/tmobil thread!!
What do u guys think?????
No
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I believe we'll see it within the next two weeks. (I'm hoping for this coming week, but I don't want to set myself up for disappointment!)
Yes. Two weeks tops.
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I honestly think we would get source pretty soon especially since Samsung is basically encouraging rooted Samsung devices. My reason behind this statement is because they hired Cyanogen and gave his Team free Galaxy S2 phones.
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I believe we will. I have no doubt that it will happen soon...ish.
-Hercules grabbed my post, and threw it at your face to be read-
Has anyone here had the vibrant? If you have you can understand why i say no
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Has anyone here had the vibrant? If you have you can understand why i say no
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I've also had the Vibrant. Sammy took a while to release official updates for it, but they did leak a very large amount of roms and the dev community was excellent. The biggest draw back of the Vibrant for me was the GPS and lack of led flash. Other than that it was an excellent phone in its time.TRUST ME SAMMY WILL RELEASE THE SOURCE FOR THIS PHONE AND THE DEV COMMUNITY WILL BE EXCELLENT FOR THIS PHONE.
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I've also had the Vibrant. Sammy took a while to release official updates for it, but they did leak a very large amount of roms and the dev community was excellent. The biggest draw back of the Vibrant for me was the GPS and lack of led flash. Other than that it was an excellent phone in its time.TRUST ME SAMMY WILL RELEASE THE SOURCE FOR THIS PHONE AND THE DEV COMMUNITY WILL BE EXCELLENT FOR THIS PHONE.
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I almost got the Vibrant over the HD2, but the no flash killed it for me.
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Yes. Two weeks tops.
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Looks like you dumped sprint too huh? I remember seeing you over at the Evo forums.
It's greener on this side.
I think we will have source probably within a month or so.
Yea, been with tmobile over a month and very glad i made the switch.
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Looks like you dumped sprint too huh? I remember seeing you over at the Evo forums.
It's greener on this side.
I think we will have source probably within a month or so.
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If they don't I will be getting at Nexus prime. I think they are waiting till the telus variant releases.
Samsung probably wants to but T-mobile might be telling them not to.
If the telus version gets source we can just use that I hope its basically the same phone with different branding.
I hope so
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At&t GS2 already has source and its now rooted. That phone was released on October 2. So yeah 2-3 weeks tops we'll have source and be rooted. Hang in there!
To be honest this phone isn't my first choice I wish T-Mobile would of skipped the galaxy 2 and came out with a aws galaxy note. That probably would save gave T-Mobile millions of customers. Also gave me a reason to sell my galaxy tab 8.9 lol. Telus version comes the 19 all we can do is hope.
we'll definitely see the source
personally owning several Samsung phones, all of them having great support from both the community and from samsung
they could act faster if they had less devices on the market, but ... insanely enough they have like at least 6 version of every main line, that slows down their release process
just need patience
I think the mistake was realized with the vibrant. I believe they know and support what their customer base wants. They are a strong competative force and want to keep their customers happy. We will see frequent updates and root and massive mods.
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I think the mistake was realized with the vibrant. I believe they know and support what their customer base wants. They are a strong competative force and want to keep their customers happy. We will see frequent updates and root and massive mods.
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I really think the vibrant thing was more tmobiles fault and not Samsung. I say this because there were so many leaked builds for gingerbread. If Samsung never intended to release the upgrade then why would they spend all that time making different builds. I see Samsung supporting this phone for a good while. This is their baby and that new prime is google's baby. The focus for Samsung will continue to be making touchwiz better.
Are you tired of Tmobile and Samsung keeping customers in the dark? We haven't even gotten so much as a date to bring ICS to our phones.
If your frustrated and feel we deserve more sign my petition.
I want two things from Samsung & Tmobile:
An android 4.0/iCS rom
A realistic date for getting this to customers
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/226/158/957/bring-android-4-to-tmobile-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-sgh-t989/
We should include skyrocket and the Telus t989d that way we have more signatures. All the same hardware.
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Ill definately sign if we get the other two models in the claim
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this kind of stuff is a joke
look at what happened with the G2x ... they threatened legal action.. and LG released a half assed gingerbread rom that was running a froyo kernel and was worse than the froyo rom
just let them do their thing and quit your crying and you will get a better product
Signed....tired of being black sheep of the s2's
Add 727r's and I'm in
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Ill definately sign if we get the other two models in the claim
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Added, it is crazy that they are not properly supporting these phones. Feel like a second class citizen.
edit: didn't realize the release is only for international version..
Signed
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a samsung rep has said it will be first qtr of 2012 so id expect an update sometime this month.
http://www.talkandroid.com/98923-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-receives-ice-cream-sandwich-update-in-europe-and-korea-today-other-markets-to-follow-gradually/#.T17004EgdEI
Sigh. Everyone here keeps thinking Samsung owes us some update or something.
Let me enlighten you on something. They don't. Neither does T-Mobile.
The fact is if you're on this board, you KNOW US-based versions of Samsung phones don't get software updates on time. If you wanted timely updates, you should have gotten a full priced I9100 to use. It's like the Galaxy Nexus vs the Galaxy S2. People bought the Nexus for it's dev support.
The I9100 came to the market more than 6 months before this phone. Guess what, it will get an ICS roughly about the same time before we do. This is just how the system works. Petition or no petition it ain't changing. We will have ICS eventually. Just not in March, or April. If we don't have it by October, then we can consider silly petitions again.
Samsung vibrant, anyone?
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Samsung vibrant, anyone?
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This!
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this petition is gonna go far.. :S
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Sigh. Everyone here keeps thinking Samsung owes us some update or something.
Let me enlighten you on something. They don't. Neither does T-Mobile.
The fact is if you're on this board, you KNOW US-based versions of Samsung phones don't get software updates on time. If you wanted timely updates, you should have gotten a full priced I9100 to use. It's like the Galaxy Nexus vs the Galaxy S2. People bought the Nexus for it's dev support.
The I9100 came to the market more than 6 months before this phone. Guess what, it will get an ICS roughly about the same time before we do. This is just how the system works. Petition or no petition it ain't changing. We will have ICS eventually. Just not in March, or April. If we don't have it by October, then we can consider silly petitions again.
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So basically because I spent my 660 on the s2 instead of buying I9100 I dont deserve timely updates?...you need to relook over your logic bro we are owed an update...theyre are people that do and people that sit around and watch people do, obviously your are the second.
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horsemenofdeath said:
So basically because I spent my 660 on the s2 instead of buying I9100 I dont deserve timely updates?...you need to relook over your logic bro we are owed an update...theyre are people that do and people that sit around and watch people do, obviously your are the second.
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When you buy any product you are not owed a update. Tmobile could of said wifi calling is an update. This is all what you will get. Google promises nexus updates so they do gets updates. Untill they can or feel like they do not want to support it anymore. It may be bad business but its how it works. When you buy a device you are not guranateed anything. Except that it functions how it suppose to.
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your logic is flawed. Did you sign something saying that Samsung would indeed give you an update. You spent 660 on the phone as is. Updates not included and with the understanding thereafter. If you buy aNY electronics nowadays you are prettyicy guaranteed that it will get outdated by newer versions of the same model or.updates that never get to.you. that is the world today. If you feel you are owed something then call Samsung or your carrier yourself . Even better yet, visit their corporate office and state your claims. Silly people.
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So basically because I spent my 660 on the s2 instead of buying I9100 I dont deserve timely updates?...you need to relook over your logic bro we are owed an update...theyre are people that do and people that sit around and watch people do, obviously your are the second.
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As per the Telus website it says Android 4.0 - Available in 2012.
http://www.telusmobility.com/en/MB/samsung_galaxy_s_II_x/index.shtml
It doesn't say exactly when it will be available, just that it will be available in 2012.
I have also sent Telus Support messages via Twitter early February asking about Android 4.0 for the Galaxy S 2 and this is the response I received from the Telus rep:
We are working with Samsung to bring this update for spring 2012.
I also asked if the update would be pushed to our phones and his response was:
There is nothing official on the method yet, but typically you would use Kies software for the update.
Take all this with a grain of salt, those are just the responses I received. Either way, it will be sometime in 2012.
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Samsung vibrant, anyone?
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#NeverAgain
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horsemenofdeath said:
So basically because I spent my 660 on the s2 instead of buying I9100 I dont deserve timely updates?...you need to relook over your logic bro we are owed an update...theyre are people that do and people that sit around and watch people do, obviously your are the second.
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I spent $1100 on my laptop last March. Guess who isn't getting Windows 8 for free? I've never understood why people complain about this. You want free updates? Buy an Apple product. Talk bad about Apple all you want but they update iOS frequently. And every new OS they put out is free.
This is what T-Mobile estimates. They say ICS is rolling out currently in the UK on GS2 devices and he expects it to roll out within a month on our devices. He said this will include the blurry MMS fix.
This is fantastic news. I can't wait to get some stock ICS roms
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Unless your speaking to someone in charge of the updates T-Mobile has no idea when ICS will be deployed for the GS2. The sensation ics has already been out for a while yet they still haven't pushed out and last info we had was that it would be going into testing soon as well as the amaze that was over a month ago. I highly doubt the t989 will see ics soon officially.
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Totally agree no customer care Rep or tech Rep know when ics is coming. Heck my buddy works for tech center he even asked the support team that's in charge of testing and they dont even know so sorry to burst ur bubble
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I believe your telling the truth its just that there is no way anyone you talked to had any clue what they are talking about. Also hell will freeze over before we get it in a month.
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Like I stated earlier last week... ICS isn't coming til Fall 2012 its an known fact.
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I believe your telling the truth its just that there is no way anyone you talked to had any clue what they are talking about. Also hell will freeze over before we get it in a month.
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Of course with the weather and the end of the world coming, he may be on to something.
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It's a fact, 30 Helens agree it's better to wait for your Ice Cream Sandwich.
But then again, with the Skyrocket leak we might be closer than we realize. Of course, it will drop when it drops so I'm not holding my breath in the meantime.
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This is what T-Mobile estimates. They say ICS is rolling out currently in the UK on GS2 devices and he expects it to roll out within a month on our devices. He said this will include the blurry MMS fix.
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While I appreciate your "spreadin the good word" n all, the rep was probably just eager to get off the phone :S
For what its worth and I have no reason to lie
For what its worth my friend works at tmobile and they had a meeting about ICS "lol" and said that ota's would be rolling out at the end of April. And that is what the reps are to tell the customers. Maybe we will get a leak he also said that Samsung had released it months ago for our phones. I guess t-mobile is just bloating the crap out of it.
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For what its worth my friend works at tmobile and they had a meeting about ICS "lol" and said that ota's would be rolling out at the end of April. And that is what the reps are to tell the customers. Maybe we will get a leak he also said that Samsung had released it months ago for our phones. I guess t-mobile is just bloating the crap out of it.
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Interesting, yet part of me wouldn't be surprised if T-mobile didn't release it until next year, we may even get the 2.3.6 ICS update from them. I'm no longer interested in the anticipation, we should all focus on SR ports.
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Yep like I said before t mobile has lied to me multiple time, guess some news it better then no news.
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Something tells me it will roll out for Telus customers before it does for tmobile
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Either way, all that's stopping us is drivers right? And aren't they all there inside the skyrocket build?
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Like I stated earlier last week... ICS isn't coming til Fall 2012 its an known fact.
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-And this "FACT" is based on?
Wilsonium said:
It's a fact, 30 Helens agree it's better to wait for your Ice Cream Sandwich.
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Nice reference
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Lol...they promised updates to me over the phone countless times over the phone for the G2X. When it drops, it drops..."coming in a month" is what they always say
But I hope for our sake it is true
Are dev's will have allrdy developed a far better ics rom by the time we get this
Cause lets face it our revs are amazing
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T-Mobile Developer I know..., it was suppose to come in may but since the T-Mobile apps isn't working they not releasing it til the T-Mobile apps work correctly because Samsung has a contract to fulfill with T-Mobile apps. Til they get it to work on the T-Mobile SII no ICS.
Deeerrrppp
Not to be the "I know a guy" -guy. but "I know a guy" an Sammy Regional Sales Exec. -in the U.S. mind you, they are shooting for mid-month April and expected to have it released for sure by the end of 3rd/4th week (T989 Hercules) at the very latest. I don't care what you believe, just think all you people need something else to do, all ICS rumor guys out there. They are still only a couple weeks behind their scheduled goal they had stated in November, pretty standard. And hit the Q1 goal for a bunch of S2 handsets... Truth also is they didn't even start adjusting their goal of releasing the Galaxy 3 at the end of April until this week, which means that will be out in the next 6 or so weeks too. about a month after we get our update and about a month + before the iphone 5 release. If you think I'm crazy show me your DERP face and we'll talk again in a month so I can send you one back, and sales works on different floor, basically different world from the developers so I've got no info on why the ICS hasn't been finished yet? and carrier reps (T-Mobile) are the last to hear anything for obvious reasons so figure that one out too...duuurrrr
So I was wondering... don't we basically have the same phone? I just dont understand why they can release it for the S but we are still left in the dust... http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-incredible-s-ics-update-119483/
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So I was wondering... don't we basically have the same phone? I just dont understand why they can release it for the S but we are still left in the dust... http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-incredible-s-ics-update-119483/
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DAMMIT! I read the first part of the title and got all excited...
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nitsua98 said:
DAMMIT! I read the first part of the title and got all excited...
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I wouldn't have if you hadn't bumped it!
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werdna87 said:
Verizon has to go over every update
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Lol me too. ****!
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Jizzylax said:
Lol me too. ****!
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why are you quoting me i was giving the OP a reason for why it hasnt come yet. Atleast some awesome person gave you guys a leak though...
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why are you quoting me i was giving the OP a reason for why it hasnt come yet. Atleast some awesome person gave you guys a leak though...
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Lol I was supposed to be quoting nitsua98.... quote fail on my part!
Verizon is officially full of ****. Nuff said.
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david_hume said:
Verizon is officially full of ****. Nuff said.
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Its their responsibility, because when people have issues, the call VZW not HTC, and every call to VZW costs them $$
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Its their responsibility, because when people have issues, the call VZW not HTC, and every call to VZW costs them $$
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At this rate, I think most of their customers are probably rooted already. Better support here than vzw techs can ever provide!
Fact is that vzw wants to make sure their crap doesn't affect HTC's update before releasing it. As such, we all now how much crap they dump on us, so expect to wait a lot longer!
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Macrodroid said:
At this rate, I think most of their customers are probably rooted already. Better support here than vzw techs can ever provide!
Fact is that vzw wants to make sure their crap doesn't affect HTC's update before releasing it. As such, we all now how much crap they dump on us, so expect to wait a lot longer!
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OK but I would say about 80% of people don't root. I know that is just an estimate but from experience it seems reasonable to me. So, say vzw sold 100,000 inc2s. That would be 80,000 people that might call them if the update changed something or something was broken in it. That's a lot of time for vzw service reps
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OK but I would say about 80% of people don't root. I know that is just an estimate but from experience it seems reasonable to me. So, say vzw sold 100,000 inc2s. That would be 80,000 people that might call them if the update changed something or something was broken in it. That's a lot of time for vzw service reps
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I am not saying you are wrong, but my original point is that ICS is on the Incredible S, (which I think is the same phone unless someone tells me differently) and it is fine. If it was such an issue, Verizon would never release an update on any phone ever... because something can always go wrong and often does. The one way they truly know there are issues is to release an update, listen to feedback and send out bug fixes. What we "think" we know is that Verizon has had this update, since at least August if not earlier and they are sitting on it. I don't believe one bit that they are worried that this update might break something, Maybe I am a conspiracy theorist, but I think they are holding off hoping more people update to newer phones. Look at the Galaxy Nexus. JellyBean 2 or 3 months ago and Verizon just updated it about a week ago. The Galaxy Nexus is going on a year old and if they can get people to upgrade, they can also get people into this ridiculous share everything plan. I just don't think it has anything to do with them making this update perfect, because that would not follow how they have handled updates up until now...
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I am not saying you are wrong, but my original point is that ICS is on the Incredible S, (which I think is the same phone unless someone tells me differently) and it is fine. If it was such an issue, Verizon would never release an update on any phone ever... because something can always go wrong and often does. The one way they truly know there are issues is to release an update, listen to feedback and send out bug fixes. What we "think" we know is that Verizon has had this update, since at least August if not earlier and they are sitting on it. I don't believe one bit that they are worried that this update might break something, Maybe I am a conspiracy theorist, but I think they are holding off hoping more people update to newer phones. Look at the Galaxy Nexus. JellyBean 2 or 3 months ago and Verizon just updated it about a week ago. The Galaxy Nexus is going on a year old and if they can get people to upgrade, they can also get people into this ridiculous share everything plan. I just don't think it has anything to do with them making this update perfect, because that would not follow how they have handled updates up until now...
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The incredible s is gsm (at&t, T-Mobile), incredible 2 is CDMA (aka Verizon) Verizon obviously didn't get their greasy paws on the incredible s to slow down the release
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Triscuit said:
The incredible s is gsm (at&t, T-Mobile), incredible 2 is CDMA (aka Verizon) Verizon obviously didn't get their greasy paws on the incredible s to slow down the release
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HTC has always done from my knowledge. Oh, if you do get the OTA update, then I hope you get good coverage. Last time I did an OTA update, it took two and a half hour to download like 180 MB at full bars.
P.S. I believe that Sprint is still CDMA to my knowledge (or I don't know crap.)
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werdna87 said:
OK but I would say about 80% of people don't root. I know that is just an estimate but from experience it seems reasonable to me. So, say vzw sold 100,000 inc2s. That would be 80,000 people that might call them if the update changed something or something was broken in it. That's a lot of time for vzw service reps
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agreed, not to mention if bugs arise from the ota or post ota (that werent caught in testing or werent thought to be a big deal) then they have to potentially release more incremental updates that cost more money
i dont know exactly how the contract stuff works, but im assuming verizon paid for ics updates from htc for the tbolt and inc2 (since there are debug builds) but might be able to cut their losses by not actually releasing it...if they feel that it doesnt benefit them by releasing it
the tbolt not getting updated makes sense actually since it was released 3/11, and that puts the 20 month on contract update window for those early adopters within the next month or two
i dont see verizon doing anything to lessen the chances those users upgrade....and a new OS just might do that
inc2 was released about 6 weeks to 2 months later, but same theory applies
not to say the update still *wont* happen...but every week that its not out id say significantly drops the chances of it
now that doesnt get htc off the hook for chinese inc2 kernel source...which by my count is approaching (if not passed) their own 120 day window (which techinically by my interpretation is not legal anyway) for releasing it
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I am not saying you are wrong, but my original point is that ICS is on the Incredible S, (which I think is the same phone unless someone tells me differently) and it is fine.
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actually htc has been releasing (for the first time i can remember) the ics updates for the msm7x30 phones on htc dev as RUU's rather than ota's as of late
without looking im pretty sure they did this for the desire s, rhyme, and the more recent inc s updates....they seemed to have stopped ota's through carriers for it
i guess their reasoning is something along the lines of "well the general public wont take the upgrade, so less support" and since its released through htc dev anyway i dont think they have to support it...its more like "here it is, have at it"
This will make the various ICS ROMS for DINC2 much better, since now they will be based on our phone instead of something like our phone.
lvleph said:
This will make the various ICS ROMS for DINC2 much better, since now they will be based on our phone instead of something like our phone.
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This doesn't mean jack for the Inc2.
LOL, so now today HTC has been responding on their Facebook and saying they are working with Verizon on the ICS update for Thunderbolt, Incredible 2... and the REZOUND! SMH. The Rezound was already updated to ICS a while back, early August if I remember correctly. I really think no one over there knows what the hell they are doing...
http://support.verizonwireless.com/system_update/rezound.html
lvleph said:
This will make the various ICS ROMS for DINC2 much better, since now they will be based on our phone instead of something like our phone.
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Just so you know, there is a ROM based on a vzw leak...
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werdna87 said:
Just so you know, there is a ROM based on a vzw leak...
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Unfortunately, its buggy as hell. If it works for you, then by all means, enjoy it!!!
Its gotta be boring for developers with the lack of att support right? Can we get a developers opinion on this? I imagine theres only so much a developer can do. It sucks I threw down 249.99 for a phone that's poorly supported by at&t..
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xamadeix said:
Its gotta be boring for developers with the lack of att support right? Can we get a developers opinion on this? I imagine theres only so much a developer can do. It sucks I threw down 249.99 for a phone that's poorly supported by at&t..
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It's hard when carriers have control over updates. Ports can only get you so far and since they're not designed for our device it's hard to get everything working 100%. I personally don't like ports and try to stick with what was released for our devices, but some ports turn out better than others. You'll see a lot more development on newer devices and a lot of aosp based development on older devices because aosp bypasses the carriers but can be finicky sometimes because of the closed source proprietary libraries that carriers use.
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As AT&T has always been the last to get updates if at all, the best way to send a message about that is to stop using AT&T. I have a work phone and tablet on AT&T that have never been updated from Gingerbread or Honeycomb respectively, yet the manufacturer has the ICS updates on their site.
At&t is pretty bad but nothing is worse than Verizon. I was with them for a long time and att is much better imo. It may be different is this case but historically Verizon gets updates last. I am going back to prepaid or tmo when my contract up though. I love all the ROMs we have for the gs3, even if they are ports they all work pretty good to me. I truly appreciate all the developer support this device still gets.
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stelv said:
At&t is pretty bad but nothing is worse than Verizon. I was with them for a long time and att is much better imo. It may be different is this case but historically Verizon gets updates last. I am going back to prepaid or tmo when my contract up though. I love all the ROMs we have for the gs3, even if they are ports they all work pretty good to me. I truly appreciate all the developer support this device still gets.
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Definitely appreciate the developers for doing all that they do for us. Couldn't ask for more.
I may be leaving AT&T behind as well. I was thinking of heading to Sprint next year when the contract ends, depending on if Sprint's LTE coverage has improved. I'd really like truly unlimited data for the same/cheaper price than AT&T gives for pretty sad amounts.
Hmmm just buy the nexus its only $300 retail. Those are always up to date
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I feel like 4.1.2 (If we ever get it) will breathe new life into this phone, definitely.
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Well if one is rooted there are totally stable 4.1.2 touchwiz ROMs and 4.2.2 aosp roms. I have ran stable versions of both. No need to wait for att.
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Wow, AT&T still hasn't updated to Android 4.1.2? I'm Canadian, so I didn't know that. I thought AT&T would have updated by now....
alltechinside said:
Wow, AT&T still hasn't updated to Android 4.1.2? I'm Canadian, so I didn't know that. I thought AT&T would have updated by now....
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You obviously don't know how bad ATT is on things like this. Be happy your in Canada.
They are very good at being last on everything when it comes to updates.
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At least it's here
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