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Ics coming next month?

Yesterday, during an Android gathering in LA, LA Gadgets Examiner confirmed with an Android insider that Google, HTC
and Samsung are doing everything they can to bring Android 4.0 to their smartphones. The EVO 3D and Galaxy S II were
specifically mentioned as scheduled to receive the update sometime next month.<===from talkandroid
Epic touch or att galaxy
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It may be released next month by Google. But the US carriers are going to take a couple months to get them to us, the consumer.
For example, Samsung already gave Sprint the update for our phones beginning of October, but we won't be getting it until December.
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vikramjatt11 said:
It may be released next month by Google. But the US carriers are going to take a couple months to get them to us, the consumer.
For example, Samsung already gave Sprint the update for our phones beginning of October, but we won't be getting it until December.
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I highly doubt Samsung gave Sprint the ICS update for the SGS2 already.

cidica said:
I highly doubt Samsung gave Sprint the ICS update for the SGS2 already.
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He's probably referring to the LOS fix.
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daneurysm said:
He's probably referring to the LOS fix.
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vikramjatt11 said:
It may be released next month by Google. But the US carriers are going to take a couple months to get them to us, the consumer.
For example, Samsung already gave Sprint the update for our phones beginning of October, but we won't be getting it until December.
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I bet if that update was for the IPhone Sprint would have rolled it out already and wasted no time in supporting it.
Now I am talking about Apple updates here not Samsung. Just saying that if Sprint would have gotten a update from Apple the Apple users would have gotten it already. Unlike all the other users who has to wait and wait and be treated like a red headed step child.

Wizard220 said:
I bet if that update was for the IPhone Sprint would have rolled it out already and wasted no time in supporting it.
Now I am talking about Apple updates here not Samsung. Just saying that if Sprint would have gotten a update from Apple the Apple users would have gotten it already. Unlike all the other users who has to wait and wait and be treated like a red headed step child.
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The difference is that Apple sends updates directly. Samsung goes through Sprint. Sprint doesn't have much of a say as to when an Apple update gets released.

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He's probably referring to the LOS fix.
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Yes, I meant the LoS update, not the ICS update, lol.
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You never know, it could be ICS. The Galaxy Nexus has ICS and it's Samsung. It's not too far fetched to say that Samsung has an ICS build for our phone already.

..... Even if they said next month expect it 2013 ... This is samsung.
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That was also before they made the promise to deliver the updates to devices that can get them in a reasonable time.
The moment got 3 or 4 updates in it's lifespan. It actually had 2.1 before the Hero.
The Epic got boofed sure, but still, I think this one will be different, and I think the Epic is the reason they didn't go with a whole new form factor.

Hopefully Samsung will follow HTC's lead. HTC announced 8 devices today that will be getting ICS in early 2012. 2 Sprint phones are on that list. http://tinyw.in/Fw1H

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That was also before they made the promise to deliver the updates to devices that can get them in a reasonable time.
The moment got 3 or 4 updates in it's lifespan. It actually had 2.1 before the Hero.
The Epic got boofed sure, but still, I think this one will be different, and I think the Epic is the reason they didn't go with a whole new form factor.
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Yeah the keyboard really screwed us
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Jellybean scheduled to be rolled out in june for Developers

ARTICLE POSTED ON ROOTZWIKI
http://rootzwiki.com/_/articles/rumors/android-50-jellybean-rumored-to-debut-in-june-r415
I STILL DON'T HAVE AN ICS UPDATE.

Google really needs to get their crap together. ICS still out and one phone officially has it. Now this is coming and although it's not confirmed, this is still ridiculous. It would be nice to see tablets running the new upcoming OS but where do the phones play a role in this? I thought the OEMs where the reason for fragmentation but it is proving that Google is the kingpin behind all of this.
I love android but I like to be up to date and it's becoming harder and harder as Google gets more and more powerful. We shouldn't have to get a Nexus to be up to date. Fragmentation really needs to be fixed.

It will not be out for like a year.google has not even said it's going to be called jelly bean.
From a galaxy better than yours.

I posted this a few days ago.
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It will probable not even be for phones. It will be like honeycomb was.

Dude all carrier customizations should be done via the market and all android phones should be aosp as default
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defconoi said:
Dude all carrier customizations should be done via the market and all android phones should be aosp as default
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Google doesnt think so
http://www.minyanville.com/dailyfeed/2012/01/11/minyanville-at-ces-google-puts/

any google rep check in here at xda? if there is one please read and take our compliant seriously. thank you

hmm i like jellybeans

Another reason to only get google phones. The GN will be updated right away, we will have to wait 6+ months.

If history holds true then we won't get it at all. Both the vibrant and the sgs4g only got one official update. If the galaxy s3 and 5.0 get released around the same time I would bet on Sammy not upgrading the s2. Its sad and disrespectful to their fan base but that's how it has been for the tmo galaxy line so far.
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Exodian said:
If history holds true then we won't get it at all. Both the vibrant and the sgs4g only got one official update. If the galaxy s3 and 5.0 get released around the same time I would bet on Sammy not upgrading the s2. Its sad and disrespectful to their fan base but that's how it has been for the tmo galaxy line so far.
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Google just needs to get its act together with android updates.
You can bet your ass the next apple event will highlight how all their devices are updated while only a slim % of android phones run the latesr version.
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I don't think this will be for phones but who knows. Also Google hasn't t officially said this will be for mobile phones or clarified the name. I think the people who suffer the most are t mobile users who would love to have a GN but were cut short by Google and t mobile. If Google is going to spoon feed their number 1 device it should be on all carries under the sun. This was one of my concerns of getting a gs2, i love the phone i just wish Google and these carries would get there act together.
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jordanishere said:
Google just needs to get its act together with android updates.
You can bet your ass the next apple event will highlight how all their devices are updated while only a slim % of android phones run the latesr version.
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Well its really easy if your devices and product all run similar hardware. apple iphone and ipod touch all run similar hardware. Drivers are mostly the same with slight changes.
Unless google says only restricts to certain hardware like tegra 2 and tegra 3 for tablets. and what ever processor for phones this won't happen. Essentially google did their job once they released source. It now up to Htc, Samsung , lg, and moto do their job and make new drivers from source.
Also another reason is carriers. The samsung galaxy 2 is the same phone through out europe on different carriers. Htc could of did the same thing with the sensation and use a apq8060 so it could essentially be a a world phone. You could essentially switch out the modem and still use the same processor. This would make it easier for updates. But U.s carriers want to brand them. Put certain restrictions for them. Also add all their bloatware back in.
Google alliance thing was something google promised but in the end they can't make it happen. You can't make carriers update your device. If they dont think its important enough so they can make money off of it then they wont update it.
T-mobile is one of the worst when it comes updating devices. I been on all the other major carriers and i seen even them release even incremental updates for phones that I thought no one uses on other carriers. Tmobile will have their flagship device with bugs for at least 6 months till they decide to update it.

Killbynature said:
Well its really easy if your devices and product all run similar hardware. apple iphone and ipod touch all run similar hardware. Drivers are mostly the same with slight changes.
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This is mostly the case. The reason it takes as long as it does is adding the Touchwiz and Sense to fit phones

tdizzle404 said:
It will probable not even be for phones. It will be like honeycomb was.
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Huh? The whole point of ICS was to make Android a universal operating system between all phones/tablets.
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jim93 said:
This is mostly the case. The reason it takes as long as it does is adding the Touchwiz and Sense to fit phones
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I con tolerate touchwiz more than i can tolerate sense and blur. Touchwiz looks closest to stock android. So maybe it will be lighter and lighter over time. The only thing i dont like about touch wiz is the actual launcher. The rest dont really bother me. Sense 4.0 and ics make me not ever want an htc device again. Blur is just disgusting and all it does is bog the phone down.

Im still waiting on Froyo, while still on Eclair. Geez, these updates are taking FOREVER!
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Towle said:
Huh? The whole point of ICS was to make Android a universal operating system between all phones/tablets.
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This was my point exactly. Google keeps saying one thing and doing another. ICS was supposed to make things uniform and I do remember the talk about slowing down all the theming or skins done by oem's. Doesn't look like anything is slowing down. Manufacturers dropping phones non stop and all the adopters of the product are left with no update. It seems as if as long as Google is getting the advertising money....all the companies can run a muck.
I have to admit the third portion of this is the cell providers just being greedy by not updating and forcing you to want to upgrade.
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Jjday7 said:
This was my point exactly. Google keeps saying one thing and doing another. ICS was supposed to make things uniform and I do remember the talk about slowing down all the theming or skins done by oem's. Doesn't look like anything is slowing down. Manufacturers dropping phones non stop and all the adopters of the product are left with no update. It seems as if as long as Google is getting the advertising money....all the companies can run a muck.
I have to admit the third portion of this is the cell providers just being greedy by not updating and forcing you to want to upgrade.
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Well Google has done a **** job recently with ICS. The Nexus S and Nexus S 4G are ahead of the Galaxy Nexus "the premier ICS phone" and I hate to say it but I'm just losing faith in Google. To add insult to injury, Google has so many builds of ICS that nobody knows who's getting what and when.
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Sign Petition to Samsung for Android 4.0

Are you tired of Tmobile and Samsung keeping customers in the dark? We haven't even gotten so much as a date to bring ICS to our phones.
If your frustrated and feel we deserve more sign my petition.
I want two things from Samsung & Tmobile:
An android 4.0/iCS rom
A realistic date for getting this to customers
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/226/158/957/bring-android-4-to-tmobile-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-sgh-t989/

We should include skyrocket and the Telus t989d that way we have more signatures. All the same hardware.
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Ill definately sign if we get the other two models in the claim
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this kind of stuff is a joke
look at what happened with the G2x ... they threatened legal action.. and LG released a half assed gingerbread rom that was running a froyo kernel and was worse than the froyo rom
just let them do their thing and quit your crying and you will get a better product

Signed....tired of being black sheep of the s2's

Add 727r's and I'm in
Non-bricked Skyrocket since 2-11-2012

iwasblown said:
Ill definately sign if we get the other two models in the claim
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Added, it is crazy that they are not properly supporting these phones. Feel like a second class citizen.

edit: didn't realize the release is only for international version..

Signed
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a samsung rep has said it will be first qtr of 2012 so id expect an update sometime this month.
http://www.talkandroid.com/98923-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-receives-ice-cream-sandwich-update-in-europe-and-korea-today-other-markets-to-follow-gradually/#.T17004EgdEI

Sigh. Everyone here keeps thinking Samsung owes us some update or something.
Let me enlighten you on something. They don't. Neither does T-Mobile.
The fact is if you're on this board, you KNOW US-based versions of Samsung phones don't get software updates on time. If you wanted timely updates, you should have gotten a full priced I9100 to use. It's like the Galaxy Nexus vs the Galaxy S2. People bought the Nexus for it's dev support.
The I9100 came to the market more than 6 months before this phone. Guess what, it will get an ICS roughly about the same time before we do. This is just how the system works. Petition or no petition it ain't changing. We will have ICS eventually. Just not in March, or April. If we don't have it by October, then we can consider silly petitions again.

Samsung vibrant, anyone?
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suprakarma said:
Samsung vibrant, anyone?
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This!
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this petition is gonna go far.. :S

}{Alienz}{ said:
Sigh. Everyone here keeps thinking Samsung owes us some update or something.
Let me enlighten you on something. They don't. Neither does T-Mobile.
The fact is if you're on this board, you KNOW US-based versions of Samsung phones don't get software updates on time. If you wanted timely updates, you should have gotten a full priced I9100 to use. It's like the Galaxy Nexus vs the Galaxy S2. People bought the Nexus for it's dev support.
The I9100 came to the market more than 6 months before this phone. Guess what, it will get an ICS roughly about the same time before we do. This is just how the system works. Petition or no petition it ain't changing. We will have ICS eventually. Just not in March, or April. If we don't have it by October, then we can consider silly petitions again.
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So basically because I spent my 660 on the s2 instead of buying I9100 I dont deserve timely updates?...you need to relook over your logic bro we are owed an update...theyre are people that do and people that sit around and watch people do, obviously your are the second.
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horsemenofdeath said:
So basically because I spent my 660 on the s2 instead of buying I9100 I dont deserve timely updates?...you need to relook over your logic bro we are owed an update...theyre are people that do and people that sit around and watch people do, obviously your are the second.
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When you buy any product you are not owed a update. Tmobile could of said wifi calling is an update. This is all what you will get. Google promises nexus updates so they do gets updates. Untill they can or feel like they do not want to support it anymore. It may be bad business but its how it works. When you buy a device you are not guranateed anything. Except that it functions how it suppose to.
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your logic is flawed. Did you sign something saying that Samsung would indeed give you an update. You spent 660 on the phone as is. Updates not included and with the understanding thereafter. If you buy aNY electronics nowadays you are prettyicy guaranteed that it will get outdated by newer versions of the same model or.updates that never get to.you. that is the world today. If you feel you are owed something then call Samsung or your carrier yourself . Even better yet, visit their corporate office and state your claims. Silly people.
horsemenofdeath said:
So basically because I spent my 660 on the s2 instead of buying I9100 I dont deserve timely updates?...you need to relook over your logic bro we are owed an update...theyre are people that do and people that sit around and watch people do, obviously your are the second.
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As per the Telus website it says Android 4.0 - Available in 2012.
http://www.telusmobility.com/en/MB/samsung_galaxy_s_II_x/index.shtml
It doesn't say exactly when it will be available, just that it will be available in 2012.
I have also sent Telus Support messages via Twitter early February asking about Android 4.0 for the Galaxy S 2 and this is the response I received from the Telus rep:
We are working with Samsung to bring this update for spring 2012.
I also asked if the update would be pushed to our phones and his response was:
There is nothing official on the method yet, but typically you would use Kies software for the update.
Take all this with a grain of salt, those are just the responses I received. Either way, it will be sometime in 2012.

suprakarma said:
Samsung vibrant, anyone?
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#NeverAgain
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horsemenofdeath said:
So basically because I spent my 660 on the s2 instead of buying I9100 I dont deserve timely updates?...you need to relook over your logic bro we are owed an update...theyre are people that do and people that sit around and watch people do, obviously your are the second.
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I spent $1100 on my laptop last March. Guess who isn't getting Windows 8 for free? I've never understood why people complain about this. You want free updates? Buy an Apple product. Talk bad about Apple all you want but they update iOS frequently. And every new OS they put out is free.

Could Samsung Just Leak Source?

Samsung has already flexed its muscles by dictating to the US carriers what the GS3 will look like and be named. Despite this, Sprint seems to be calling the shots with this Epic Touch ICS update right now by holding it back for the GS3 launch.
It is pretty clear (to me at least) that FF18 will be the OTA release for ICS. I think at this point Samsung should basically just give the finger to Sprint and "accidentally" leak the source for FF18 for the Epic Touch.
I mean really, what do they have to lose?

Its all about the Benjamins you know the motto.... If they leak the upgrade now you may or may not want to get the GS3 but if they hold off and the GS3 is your only way of getting ICS then hmmmmmmm...
Let the GS3 hit the streets for a week or two and they get their initial money and then they will probably give us our upgrade to ICS. You know how it is, just like record sales or movie sales the first week is usually the big one.
Bottom line I think its all about how to generate the most revenue out of this

You dont bite the hand that feeds you
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Sprint is doing the same thing to the Evo 3D users too, hold off on the update & sell as many Evo LTE's & GS3's as possible, I don't like it either, but its business. I'm just hoping that Samsung will release source early like they did for Gingerbread on the Epic last November, we had source almost 3 weeks before Sprint pushed the update.
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Why would Sprint drop ICS on the S2 before the S3 with ICS hits the shelves? Thats the dumbest business move ever. Of course they are gonna wait a bit for the S3 to generate some cash then when they feel they have pulled enough subscribers, theyll give the older ones their treat. Yeah Sammy could screw Sprint over and leak the source but that would not make Mr. Hesse happy and Sammy doesnt wanna do that. Like edlivian said Sprint brings Sammy a decent piece of the pie. Why would they intentionally burn that bridge?
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Thank you! I guess I'm not the only one that understands business. Someone said the same thing last week here in general and i told them damn near the same thing you just did.
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I'm not interested in them releasing the OTA before the GS3 has its turn in the sun, guys, just source. Most people don't know what to do with source anyway so how can it hurt?

I might be mistaken on this but there is another legal aspect:
GPL was mentioned on another thread regarding the eMMC fix that stated it would violate GPL to release source if the official release did not match. Since no official confirmation has come from Sprint that FF18 is the OTA I don't think they can legally do it until that is given to them.
Oddly enough the i777 source hasn't dropped either so it also might be that they're holding back until a solution for the eMMC lockup is both in agreement, developed and passed to carriers. That is purely speculative though as follow-up inquires to OSRC, Mr. Sumrall and Samsung R&D have so far been unanswered.

I understand they want to make money but hasn't this phone not even been out a year yet? I don't know about everyone else but really, who the hell can upgrade to the gsIII or evo lte without going off contract and paying full price?? U guys make no sense. It's not time for our upgrade yet!
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t4d73 said:
I understand they want to make money but hasn't this phone not even been out a year yet? I don't know about everyone else but really, who the hell can upgrade to the gsIII or evo lte without going off contract and paying full price?? U guys make no sense. It's not time for our upgrade yet!
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ya seriously.. i for one if get the sgs3 it will be with verizon.. screw sprints network where i live.. if we even have service its crap and no know date for lte at all in site. most likely after 2014.. theyve been teasing us with leaks as long as the phones been out almost and have other phones such as the g nexus that have ics already so not like the sgs3 is the only one sprint has with ics.. if people are going to get a new phone they will. they need to stop playing with there customers who are anxiously waiting because the longer they wait the more frustrated we get.. if its about business give us what we want! competition is tough these days and business in the cell phone industry you have to maintain the customers u have now.. since almost everyone has a cell already, you must take customers from other carriers.. if we dont have sgs2 source yet and other carriers do, whos to say someone wont go to a competitor with a better network and buy a used sgs2 with source for ics and get the sgs3 upgrade? better business sprint?? not necessarily, but frustrating to the sgs2 owners who have been teased with multiple leaks and speculation and arent even ready to upgrade to the sgs3 yet. what do we get? the short end of the stick! stop worrying about new revenue and focus on the customers and network you currently have! if not you will lose customers to the competition who have better network, give us source, and have the same devices available
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ya seriously.. i for one if get the sgs3 it will be with verizon.. screw sprints network where i live.. if we even have service its crap and no know date for lte at all in site. most likely after 2014.. theyve been teasing us with leaks as long as the phones been out almost and have other phones such as the g nexus that have ics already so not like the sgs3 is the only one sprint has with ics.. if people are going to get a new phone they will. they need to stop playing with there customers who are anxiously waiting because the longer they wait the more frustrated we get.. if its about business give us what we want! competition is tough these days and business in the cell phone industry you have to maintain the customers u have now.. since almost everyone has a cell already, you must take customers from other carriers.. if we dont have sgs2 source yet and other carriers do, whos to say someone wont go to a competitor with a better network and buy a used sgs2 with source for ics and get the sgs3 upgrade? better business sprint?? not necessarily, but frustrating to the sgs2 owners who have been teased with multiple leaks and speculation and arent even ready to upgrade to the sgs3 yet. what do we get? the short end of the stick! stop worrying about new revenue and focus on the customers and network you currently have! if not you will lose customers to the competition who have better network, give us source, and have the same devices available
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If u have bad service where u live well that just sucks. But as much as we hate to admit it Sprint really does have the best plans for the price I think. I get pretty decent service where I live. Never had wimax and definitely will never see lte but that's ok. I'm probably not alone on not seeing lte. Unlimited 3g is still nice though. I just don't see how people justify them not giving us source because of the gsIII. I don't know about u but I don't have 600 bucks to throw away when I haven't even had this phone for a year yet.
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exactly lol.. my point is also in retaining its current customers.. yes we have unltd data which is nice.. and seems like were in the same boat! but sprint is delaying our ics source because of the sgs3.. way to treat your loyal customers who bought the sgs2 last year.. i bet the ppl with sgs3 wont get jelly bean for a while until sprint releases there first phone with jelly bean lol.. we will be left to using ports and custom roms which in my opinion are better than anything sprint can throw at us.. they should give us what we want, and will still generate revenue from new sgs3 owners at the same time.. and lte will attract new customers however late sprint is jumping on that ship.. but what about us? that was my point lol
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t4d73 said:
If u have bad service where u live well that just sucks. But as much as we hate to admit it Sprint really does have the best plans for the price I think. I get pretty decent service where I live. Never had wimax and definitely will never see lte but that's ok. I'm probably not alone on not seeing lte. Unlimited 3g is still nice though. I just don't see how people justify them not giving us source because of the gsIII. I don't know about u but I don't have 600 bucks to throw away when I haven't even had this phone for a year yet.
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yeah im not sure why so many people are complaining. If u want the official ICS that badly go blow ur money on the GS3 a year after u bought the GS2. Otherwise you have to wait just like everyone else. Don't expect the newest technology to just be handed to u on a silver platter just cuz you own an earlier version of it. Sprint doesn't owe you a thing. No where in your contract with them does it state that they "owe" you and OS upgrade in x amount of time. They do OTA upgrades as a courtesy when it makes sense to them. They are in the business to take customers away from other carriers and keep their current ones mostly satisfied on the side. If that's not enough then thats the beauty of capitalism. Find another carrier and pay more. You can't have it all.

Visionikz03 said:
yeah im not sure why so many people are complaining. If u want the official ICS that badly go blow ur money on the GS3 a year after u bought the GS2. Otherwise you have to wait just like everyone else. Don't expect the newest technology to just be handed to u on a silver platter just cuz you own an earlier version of it. Sprint doesn't owe you a thing. No where in your contract with them does it state that they "owe" you and OS upgrade in x amount of time. They do OTA upgrades as a courtesy when it makes sense to them. They are in the business to take customers away from other carriers and keep their current ones mostly satisfied on the side. If that's not enough then thats the beauty of capitalism. Find another carrier and pay more. You can't have it all.
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Well like I already said I'm happy with Sprint. They have good price for their plans which r Truly unlimited. And I'm running ics right now so it's all good. Source would make it that much better though. GsIII probably would be a good upgrade I'm just not eligible right now like most. And from what some people with that device have said they aren't that impressed anyway.
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t4d73 said:
Well like I already said I'm happy with Sprint. They have good price for their plans which r Truly unlimited. And I'm running ics right now so it's all good. Source would make it that much better though. GsIII probably would be a good upgrade I'm just not eligible right now like most. And from what some people with that device have said they aren't that impressed anyway.
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yea.. better screen.. more ram.. i personally hope by the time i can upgrade if i stick with sprint will go for a quad core phone if its out lol
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What's so wrong with the ICS leaks we've got so far? Been using it as my daily driver for a while now and I couldn't be happier honestly
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What's so wrong with the ICS leaks we've got so far? Been using it as my daily driver for a while now and I couldn't be happier honestly
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Don't know. I'm running sfhubb's FF18 fire a while now with no problems. Everyone seems to think source would make a really big difference but I don't see how.
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imagine our amazing roms and then some.. aosp roms would be better with a lot more customization and tweaks.. were anxious for better roms.. but agreed, current roms are already awesome!
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t4d73 said:
Don't know. I'm running sfhubb's FF18 fire a while now with no problems. Everyone seems to think source would make a really big difference but I don't see how.
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It would help mostly with the kernels.

edlivian said:
You dont bite the hand that feeds you
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Well said
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EoL in 6 months....plans?

So I read earlier today this phone, despite lasting less time than other smart phones before its time, is coming to an end. Will devs jump ship too? Will we be seeing any unofficial key lime once it launches? Maybe 4.2 tw ROMs?
I understand s4 is out now, but hardware wise it isn't too drastically different right? Or should I just swap this in like everybody else?
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I wouldnt say it at end of life.
This is still one if the best phones out there. And besides, I seriously doubt theyll stop selling the s3 before the s2?
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DocHoliday77 said:
I wouldnt say it at end of life.
This is still one if the best phones out there. And besides, I seriously doubt theyll stop selling the s3 before the s2?
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Yeah, And the S2 still there getting updates. And I think I read somewhere that even though is out of the shelves it will still get updates

Im still seeing it on shelves.
Maybe not at tmobile, but saw one 3 days ago at walmart.
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Only two devices I would give my S3 up for, the note 3 or the next nexus device (as long as it isn't made by LG and the back isn't glass). Until then, I'm perfectly happy keeping my S3.
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The S3 is one of the best selling phones so I doubt we'll see it abandoned any time soon. I'm sure we'll see a keylime pie release. I remember when the s2 was supposed to end at ICS but it seems to run JB just fine. I wouldn't even be surprised if it also gets keylime though it would probably be an unofficial release.