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I STILL DON'T HAVE AN ICS UPDATE.
Google really needs to get their crap together. ICS still out and one phone officially has it. Now this is coming and although it's not confirmed, this is still ridiculous. It would be nice to see tablets running the new upcoming OS but where do the phones play a role in this? I thought the OEMs where the reason for fragmentation but it is proving that Google is the kingpin behind all of this.
I love android but I like to be up to date and it's becoming harder and harder as Google gets more and more powerful. We shouldn't have to get a Nexus to be up to date. Fragmentation really needs to be fixed.
It will not be out for like a year.google has not even said it's going to be called jelly bean.
From a galaxy better than yours.
I posted this a few days ago.
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It will probable not even be for phones. It will be like honeycomb was.
Dude all carrier customizations should be done via the market and all android phones should be aosp as default
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Dude all carrier customizations should be done via the market and all android phones should be aosp as default
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Google doesnt think so
http://www.minyanville.com/dailyfeed/2012/01/11/minyanville-at-ces-google-puts/
any google rep check in here at xda? if there is one please read and take our compliant seriously. thank you
hmm i like jellybeans
Another reason to only get google phones. The GN will be updated right away, we will have to wait 6+ months.
If history holds true then we won't get it at all. Both the vibrant and the sgs4g only got one official update. If the galaxy s3 and 5.0 get released around the same time I would bet on Sammy not upgrading the s2. Its sad and disrespectful to their fan base but that's how it has been for the tmo galaxy line so far.
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Exodian said:
If history holds true then we won't get it at all. Both the vibrant and the sgs4g only got one official update. If the galaxy s3 and 5.0 get released around the same time I would bet on Sammy not upgrading the s2. Its sad and disrespectful to their fan base but that's how it has been for the tmo galaxy line so far.
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Google just needs to get its act together with android updates.
You can bet your ass the next apple event will highlight how all their devices are updated while only a slim % of android phones run the latesr version.
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I don't think this will be for phones but who knows. Also Google hasn't t officially said this will be for mobile phones or clarified the name. I think the people who suffer the most are t mobile users who would love to have a GN but were cut short by Google and t mobile. If Google is going to spoon feed their number 1 device it should be on all carries under the sun. This was one of my concerns of getting a gs2, i love the phone i just wish Google and these carries would get there act together.
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jordanishere said:
Google just needs to get its act together with android updates.
You can bet your ass the next apple event will highlight how all their devices are updated while only a slim % of android phones run the latesr version.
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Well its really easy if your devices and product all run similar hardware. apple iphone and ipod touch all run similar hardware. Drivers are mostly the same with slight changes.
Unless google says only restricts to certain hardware like tegra 2 and tegra 3 for tablets. and what ever processor for phones this won't happen. Essentially google did their job once they released source. It now up to Htc, Samsung , lg, and moto do their job and make new drivers from source.
Also another reason is carriers. The samsung galaxy 2 is the same phone through out europe on different carriers. Htc could of did the same thing with the sensation and use a apq8060 so it could essentially be a a world phone. You could essentially switch out the modem and still use the same processor. This would make it easier for updates. But U.s carriers want to brand them. Put certain restrictions for them. Also add all their bloatware back in.
Google alliance thing was something google promised but in the end they can't make it happen. You can't make carriers update your device. If they dont think its important enough so they can make money off of it then they wont update it.
T-mobile is one of the worst when it comes updating devices. I been on all the other major carriers and i seen even them release even incremental updates for phones that I thought no one uses on other carriers. Tmobile will have their flagship device with bugs for at least 6 months till they decide to update it.
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Well its really easy if your devices and product all run similar hardware. apple iphone and ipod touch all run similar hardware. Drivers are mostly the same with slight changes.
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This is mostly the case. The reason it takes as long as it does is adding the Touchwiz and Sense to fit phones
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It will probable not even be for phones. It will be like honeycomb was.
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Huh? The whole point of ICS was to make Android a universal operating system between all phones/tablets.
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This is mostly the case. The reason it takes as long as it does is adding the Touchwiz and Sense to fit phones
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I con tolerate touchwiz more than i can tolerate sense and blur. Touchwiz looks closest to stock android. So maybe it will be lighter and lighter over time. The only thing i dont like about touch wiz is the actual launcher. The rest dont really bother me. Sense 4.0 and ics make me not ever want an htc device again. Blur is just disgusting and all it does is bog the phone down.
Im still waiting on Froyo, while still on Eclair. Geez, these updates are taking FOREVER!
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Huh? The whole point of ICS was to make Android a universal operating system between all phones/tablets.
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This was my point exactly. Google keeps saying one thing and doing another. ICS was supposed to make things uniform and I do remember the talk about slowing down all the theming or skins done by oem's. Doesn't look like anything is slowing down. Manufacturers dropping phones non stop and all the adopters of the product are left with no update. It seems as if as long as Google is getting the advertising money....all the companies can run a muck.
I have to admit the third portion of this is the cell providers just being greedy by not updating and forcing you to want to upgrade.
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This was my point exactly. Google keeps saying one thing and doing another. ICS was supposed to make things uniform and I do remember the talk about slowing down all the theming or skins done by oem's. Doesn't look like anything is slowing down. Manufacturers dropping phones non stop and all the adopters of the product are left with no update. It seems as if as long as Google is getting the advertising money....all the companies can run a muck.
I have to admit the third portion of this is the cell providers just being greedy by not updating and forcing you to want to upgrade.
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Well Google has done a **** job recently with ICS. The Nexus S and Nexus S 4G are ahead of the Galaxy Nexus "the premier ICS phone" and I hate to say it but I'm just losing faith in Google. To add insult to injury, Google has so many builds of ICS that nobody knows who's getting what and when.
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Honest opinion? do u think we will get source from sammy soon?
This isnt a bash sammy/tmobil thread!!
What do u guys think?????
No
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I believe we'll see it within the next two weeks. (I'm hoping for this coming week, but I don't want to set myself up for disappointment!)
Yes. Two weeks tops.
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I honestly think we would get source pretty soon especially since Samsung is basically encouraging rooted Samsung devices. My reason behind this statement is because they hired Cyanogen and gave his Team free Galaxy S2 phones.
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I believe we will. I have no doubt that it will happen soon...ish.
-Hercules grabbed my post, and threw it at your face to be read-
Has anyone here had the vibrant? If you have you can understand why i say no
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kennyp987 said:
Has anyone here had the vibrant? If you have you can understand why i say no
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I've also had the Vibrant. Sammy took a while to release official updates for it, but they did leak a very large amount of roms and the dev community was excellent. The biggest draw back of the Vibrant for me was the GPS and lack of led flash. Other than that it was an excellent phone in its time.TRUST ME SAMMY WILL RELEASE THE SOURCE FOR THIS PHONE AND THE DEV COMMUNITY WILL BE EXCELLENT FOR THIS PHONE.
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I've also had the Vibrant. Sammy took a while to release official updates for it, but they did leak a very large amount of roms and the dev community was excellent. The biggest draw back of the Vibrant for me was the GPS and lack of led flash. Other than that it was an excellent phone in its time.TRUST ME SAMMY WILL RELEASE THE SOURCE FOR THIS PHONE AND THE DEV COMMUNITY WILL BE EXCELLENT FOR THIS PHONE.
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I almost got the Vibrant over the HD2, but the no flash killed it for me.
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Yes. Two weeks tops.
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Looks like you dumped sprint too huh? I remember seeing you over at the Evo forums.
It's greener on this side.
I think we will have source probably within a month or so.
Yea, been with tmobile over a month and very glad i made the switch.
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Looks like you dumped sprint too huh? I remember seeing you over at the Evo forums.
It's greener on this side.
I think we will have source probably within a month or so.
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If they don't I will be getting at Nexus prime. I think they are waiting till the telus variant releases.
Samsung probably wants to but T-mobile might be telling them not to.
If the telus version gets source we can just use that I hope its basically the same phone with different branding.
I hope so
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At&t GS2 already has source and its now rooted. That phone was released on October 2. So yeah 2-3 weeks tops we'll have source and be rooted. Hang in there!
To be honest this phone isn't my first choice I wish T-Mobile would of skipped the galaxy 2 and came out with a aws galaxy note. That probably would save gave T-Mobile millions of customers. Also gave me a reason to sell my galaxy tab 8.9 lol. Telus version comes the 19 all we can do is hope.
we'll definitely see the source
personally owning several Samsung phones, all of them having great support from both the community and from samsung
they could act faster if they had less devices on the market, but ... insanely enough they have like at least 6 version of every main line, that slows down their release process
just need patience
I think the mistake was realized with the vibrant. I believe they know and support what their customer base wants. They are a strong competative force and want to keep their customers happy. We will see frequent updates and root and massive mods.
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I think the mistake was realized with the vibrant. I believe they know and support what their customer base wants. They are a strong competative force and want to keep their customers happy. We will see frequent updates and root and massive mods.
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I really think the vibrant thing was more tmobiles fault and not Samsung. I say this because there were so many leaked builds for gingerbread. If Samsung never intended to release the upgrade then why would they spend all that time making different builds. I see Samsung supporting this phone for a good while. This is their baby and that new prime is google's baby. The focus for Samsung will continue to be making touchwiz better.
As I hate it when people make threads that just lead to a link, I'll add a few words of my own.
I'm a little skeptical that this will go the way of the Palm Pre. Be that as it may, you have to consider that Samsung is getting big in the mobile market. They may take the chance to break away from Android and add a new flavor into the mix.
That being said though, does it have to be so........ FUGLY
It looks like every OS out now slapped toge- OH WAIT... I just realized it's some third party Chinese developer made OS. No wonder
I would hate to see the SGSIII go the way of the Samsung Instinct.
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Good quote on the subject:
Seriously Samsung, another iOS clone? Just focus on polishing Android! Android is open source. And that’s not just a marketing move! Open source as in O-P-E-N-S-O-U-R-C-E; as in anyone can take the source code, put their own name onto it and pretend that they made it. There is literally NO reason to develop another operating system. Android is already ahead in number of features, number of apps, and is developed by Google, with top developers and designers from around the world. Samsung, you are a hardware manufacturer. You will never acquire enough talent to compete with Google. Maybe if Google suddenly stopped Android development for two years, Bada or Tizen might catch up. But it won’t.
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Lol tizen ? ... Looks like **** !
Looks like Touchwiz. I won't buy a SGSIII if it uses Tizen. I dislike Touchwiz as it is--there's no way that I'm going to buy a phone that looks exactly like it--even if the hardware is great.
I'd rather buy the next iteration of the Nexus series. Heck, if Sprint miraculously gives my city LTE support in the near future, I'd sell my E4GT immediately and buy a Galaxy Nexus. I doubt that'll happen though, as my city doesn't even have Wimax support, so I'd guess my city would be near the bottom of the list for LTE rollout.
I'm not leaving Android, so if Samsung goes to Tizen, I will drop Samsung and pick up another manufacturer.
And I buy a lot of Samsung devices... Moment, Epic 4G, Epic 4G Touch, Galaxy Tab 10.1, etc.
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I'm not leaving Android, so if Samsung goes to Tizen, I will drop Samsung and pick up another manufacturer.
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I'm not leaving Android, so if Samsung goes to Tizen, I will drop Samsung and pick up another manufacturer.
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I wholeheartedly agree. Like the author of the article, I buy Android first, manufacturer second. Why ruin such a great line of devices with this crap?
Lol, if they do this, there is no way in hell I'm buying it.
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Lol, if they do this, there is no way in hell I'm buying it.
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+1000
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Um, I'm gonna go ahead and call BS. I don't see any sources cited (just "sammobile"); not to mention just how illogical it sounds. Samsung's too smart to jump off androids gravy train. I don't care how devout their followers, an OS is nothing with out an application environment.
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Um, I'm gonna go ahead and call BS. I don't see any sources cited (just "sammobile"); not to mention just how illogical it sounds. Samsung's too smart to jump off androids gravy train. I don't care how devout their followers, an OS is nothing with out an application environment.
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I agree. Samsung would never do this. I haven't seen any other reports of this either.
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squshy 7 said:
Um, I'm gonna go ahead and call BS. I don't see any sources cited (just "sammobile"); not to mention just how illogical it sounds. Samsung's too smart to jump off androids gravy train. I don't care how devout their followers, an OS is nothing with out an application environment.
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Agree. They wouldn't risk releasing such a crappy looking OS on a highly anticipated device such as the SGSIII. Maybe testing the waters with a different device...yes but yeah android is definitely working good for them.
Samsung wont drop Android...Look at how much success has come from it. These are nothing but rumors.
To those doubting the source, here's a more well-known source: http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/14/samsung-to-merge-bada-with-tizen-the-os-party-just-got-a-little/
Though, unlike sammobile, engadget doesn't specify that the SGSIII will have Tizen and instead says that one or two upcoming devices will have it.
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To those doubting the source, here's a more well-known source: http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/14/samsung-to-merge-bada-with-tizen-the-os-party-just-got-a-little/
Though, unlike sammobile, engadget doesn't specify that the SGSIII will have Tizen and instead says that one or two upcoming devices will have it.
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No one is doubting the story about tizen. A Google search could've cleared that fast. The bs part is about the SGSIII and samsung dropping android. The latter part could happen but not anytime soon...but hey, it's just speculation on my end.
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For what its worth.
The Galaxy S series is tied to Android, I doubt Samsung would risk alienating potential repeat customers by switching OS's. Makes little to no sense.
I'm willing to bet this shows up on a low to mid range device first to test the waters and see if consumers buy into it. I'd wager that it wouldn't debut in the US.
Nexus ftw from now on.
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Considering sammobile has leaked official OS updates for several Samsung phones over the years, I would call them or their sources "reliable."
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To those doubting the source, here's a more well-known source: http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/14/samsung-to-merge-bada-with-tizen-the-os-party-just-got-a-little/
Though, unlike sammobile, engadget doesn't specify that the SGSIII will have Tizen and instead says that one or two upcoming devices will have it.
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If Samsung wants amother commercial failure put out a device with that **** on it
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eao1991 said:
Agree. They wouldn't risk releasing such a crappy looking OS on a highly anticipated device such as the SGSIII. Maybe testing the waters with a different device...yes but yeah android is definitely working good for them.
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They will probably supplant their entry level feature-phones with this. There are still far more feature-phones (read: dumb-phones) on the planet making that a very lucrative market segment to pursue. I'm pretty sure Nokia is still king in that market segment so Samsung could stand to gain quite a bit by offering a relatively feature-rich experience for very little money to those who don't care about buying into an ecosystem (iOS or Android) as much as accessing their services (facebook, twitter, etc) and simply having a phone that works.
Not to mention this device likely would probably be off the radar of the current ****-show of IP warfare ruining this industry right now.
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Nexus ftw from now on.
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You say this as if the rumor is a sure thing. Lol
Don't believe the hype...leave that to the bloggers.
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To that one person who voted "yes" in the poll.....I will find you.
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Sure bet we won't be getting that with how long ics is taking. I'm looking forward to it though.
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By june, we still wont have ics. google's release cycle here is retarded. nexus s users just started getting ics today via ota updates.
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Lol we definitely won't see JB for awhile.
The article actually says that they don't believe that JB is launching in June, only that Digitimes believes that it will.
Furthermore, as the article states, they will probably just showcase some JB features at I/O but not actually launch it until Q4.
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The article actually says that they don't believe that JB is launching in June, only that Digitimes believes that it will.
Furthermore, as the article states, they will probably just showcase some JB features at I/O but not actually launch it until Q4.
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U are probably right my dude. And wow the android names get cornier as time goes on but better.....go figure
JaZart said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/andro...you-dont-say?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter
Sure bet we won't be getting that with how long ics is taking. I'm looking forward to it though.
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I highly doubt this. Google's own "flagship device" and ICS in general have kinks that need to be worked out. Besides, the middle of the year is a strange time unless Google already has a new Nexus being cooked up in-house with Motorola since Samsung ****ed us every way possible. Don't worry, they will do it to you guys too.
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im seriously thinking about getting a iphone because the updates are very slow and pitiful
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im seriously thinking about getting a iphone because the updates are very slow and pitiful
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Isn't that like regressing?
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im seriously thinking about getting a iphone because the updates are very slow and pitiful
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I wouldnt be surprised if it did get released June. Google is pretty dense they make a decent OS but they have no idea of how to really run a Mobile OS business that would make the most people happy.
Lol well being a psych major I find that when people are in a state of high emotional stress they sometimes regress to a primeval mental staye. Same could be said about choosing iPhone over Android.
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Isn't that like regressing?
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Lol well being a psych major I find that when people are in a state of high emotional stress they sometimes regress to a primeval mental staye. Same could be said about choosing iPhone over Android.
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I know I'm going to get flamed for this but for the average user that doesn't want to bother with ROMs and rooting then an iPhone is a better choice. It simply works and gets timely updates.
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I know I'm going to get flamed for this but for the average user that doesn't want to bother with ROMs and rooting then an iPhone is a better choice. It simply works and gets timely updates.
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And for the average person who wants that good 'ol feeling of freedom and be able to do what they want to their phones, they choose Android. Its fine either way.
Oh, and my phone 'simply works' since it came out of its box. I didn't have to root it because its required. I rooted because its fun. Why can't iPhone users understand that?
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I know I'm going to get flamed for this but for the average user that doesn't want to bother with ROMs and rooting then an iPhone is a better choice. It simply works and gets timely updates.
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Yeah but you are tied to iTunes and i personally couldn't stand to always have to sync with iTunes to add a song.And it is very locked up.One more thing for such a overpriced phone it should at least have multitasking.And for the average android user that you described Android will work perfectly too (even better) it will just cost less.
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If the iPhone has a bigger screen, I'm all over it.
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Didn't expect the iphone to be mentioned, but they do have timely and uniform updates. Unlike android which is still very much fragmented. This is why I still have an ios device.
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I agree. I wasnt trying to flame. People make choices that suit them. if updates as an inportabt factor and iPhone does that for you then thag is your thing. I love updates , while the are not essential, its not a driving factor for me to leave for iPhone.
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I know I'm going to get flamed for this but for the average user that doesn't want to bother with ROMs and rooting then an iPhone is a better choice. It simply works and gets timely updates.
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I agree. I wasnt trying to flame. People make choices that suit them. if updates as an inportabt factor and iPhone does that for you then thag is your thing. I love updates , while the are not essential, its not a driving factor for me to leave for iPhone.
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Enough! lol.
BTW, why are we talking about another version of Android, this is getting out of hand.
I was wondering how long it would take after I joined before people uttered the i-word
The reason that the iPhone is so successful is because out of the box it is snappy enough and easy to use. I'ts no longer required to have iTunes, you can do everything without a computer now with the iCloud thing.
Android has basically become bloated crap thanks to the carriers and manufacturers being able to shove all their **** onto their phones. Apple basically has the carriers by their balls with the iphone and put strict requirements for what they can and can't put on the iphone.
I think a rooted custom ROM android phone blows the iphone out of the water. but out of the box, T-Mobile's poorly made and useless apps+samsung and other manufacturer's laziness and inability to push updates and load their ridiculous and unneeded overlay software (touchwiz) is why android has been a complete failure in the face of the iphone among competent phone users. Someone who wants something to work or doesn't want to bother rooting doesn't want a sluggish, bloated POS with so many problems when they could just have an iphone that everyone has.
That all being said...CM & other custom made ROMs and Google's Nexus phones are worlds better than the iPhone. It just requires a little effort.
I squarely blame the carriers and manufacturers for the agonizingly slow release of ICS, and why unless Google gets it's act together and starts pushing its weight around with the manufacturers at least, nobody will ever release anything competitive with the iphone.
Here's hoping Microsoft and Nokia don't make the same mistakes...
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I was wondering how long it would take after I joined before people uttered the i-word
The reason that the iPhone is so successful is because out of the box it is snappy enough and easy to use. I'ts no longer required to have iTunes, you can do everything without a computer now with the iCloud thing.
Android has basically become bloated crap thanks to the carriers and manufacturers being able to shove all their **** onto their phones. Apple basically has the carriers by their balls with the iphone and put strict requirements for what they can and can't put on the iphone.
I think a rooted custom ROM android phone blows the iphone out of the water. but out of the box, T-Mobile's poorly made and useless apps+samsung and other manufacturer's laziness and inability to push updates and load their ridiculous and unneeded overlay software (touchwiz) is why android has been a complete failure in the face of the iphone among competent phone users. Someone who wants something to work or doesn't want to bother rooting doesn't want a sluggish, bloated POS with so many problems when they could just have an iphone that everyone has.
That all being said...CM & other custom made ROMs and Google's Nexus phones are worlds better than the iPhone. It just requires a little effort.
I squarely blame the carriers and manufacturers for the agonizingly slow release of ICS, and why unless Google gets it's act together and starts pushing its weight around with the manufacturers at least, nobody will ever release anything competitive with the iphone.
Here's hoping Microsoft and Nokia don't make the same mistakes...
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Lol well being a psych major I find that when people are in a state of high emotional stress they sometimes regress to a primeval mental staye. Same could be said about choosing iPhone over Android.
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HAHA LOL
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http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/05/jelly-bean-update-blackberry-10-android-runtime/
Sounds like BB10 is going to get Jelly Bean while the majority of Android devices won't! LMAO!
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Sounds like BB10 is going to get Jelly Bean while the majority of Android devices won't! LMAO!
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I would actually get the BB10 looks cool.
That is funny. It won't be as funny when they get updated first.
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That is funny. It won't be as funny when they get updated first.
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LOL, I thought the same thing
Funny but just sad. LG seems to be following the path that everyone expected with the lgog. Can't produce updates in a timely manner at all. I know that they are releasing worldwide jb but I dont care about that. Lol. We will probably get jb when key lime pie is out. Ugh.
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If they already released JB in Korea, the it's more than likely the update is in our illustrious domestic carriers possession awaiting their approval.
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If they already released JB in Korea, the it's more than likely the update is in our illustrious domestic carriers possession awaiting their approval.
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I'm thinking that too but I feel like if it was it would got leaked by now
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Looks cool the only thing I can say is does anybody else remember thier blackberry touch screen experience? Uh cause i do starting with the wonderful Storm ( POS) all of the Torch family (POS) and even the new BOLD , they just have so many failed attempts it is unlikely this will be much different.
BUT and that is a BIG BUT this LGOG is something I wouldnt have never expected from LG , not since the original LG 510 has there been a more stable and good working phone.
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Looks cool the only thing I can say is does anybody else remember thier blackberry touch screen experience? Uh cause i do starting with the wonderful Storm ( POS) all of the Torch family (POS) and even the new BOLD , they just have so many failed attempts it is unlikely this will be much different.
BUT and that is a BIG BUT this LGOG is something I wouldnt have never expected from LG , not since the original LG 510 has there been a more stable and good working phone.
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Blackberry seems to be shooting to be just good enough with this phone. Dual core processor, 1 gb RAM and a smaller screen by today's standards seem like this is the device they are testing the waters with when really they should go for broke. Realistically this could be their last hurrah.
Personally I want to see them succeed. I dont think i will ever buy another blackberry, but a third strong OS would keep all systems innovating at a very high rate instead of encouraging stagnation.
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Hd2 was able to run ICS before most android devices at the time. The webos tablet and blackberry was also able to run android. Doesn't surprise me the bb10 will too. A smartphone these days no matter the stock OS can in some way run android. Even the iPhone could run android and has in the past
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Blackberry seems to be shooting to be just good enough with this phone. Dual core processor, 1 gb RAM and a smaller screen by today's standards seem like this is the device they are testing the waters with when really they should go for broke. Realistically this could be their last hurrah.
Personally I want to see them succeed. I dont think i will ever buy another blackberry, but a third strong OS would keep all systems innovating at a very high rate instead of encouraging stagnation.
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Nicely put exactly what I was thinking.
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I certainly hope it isn't their last anything.
Look, you might think the hardware isn't all there. That isn't the big picture. Watch your mind explode. No iPhone, no Android as we know it, No widgets, no Windows 8, and to come full circle, no blackberry, no iPhone.
Android will die one day. Blackberry might die too. Analyst are already predicting the iPhone's doom. But, BB only gives us more. The ideas that blackberry comes up with will enhance the android phones. Competition brings innovation. I hope blackberry does great and brings timely updates too. Imagine if all the other os's updated like Apple. Don't think for a second blackberry didn't take note to our fragmentation. They have the same 2 phones worldwide for a reason.
And don't think for a second our brand loyalty its less fickle than it is. We will jump ship in drones. Blackberry might not be leading the pack now. But, now is very relative.
So, i agree with everyone.
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I certainly hope it isn't their last anything.
Look, you might think the hardware isn't all there. That isn't the big picture. Watch your mind explode. No iPhone, no Android as we know it, No widgets, no Windows 8, and to come full circle, no blackberry, no iPhone.
Android will die one day. Blackberry might die too. Analyst are already predicting the iPhone's doom. But, BB only gives us more. The ideas that blackberry comes up with will enhance the android phones. Competition brings innovation. I hope blackberry does great and brings timely updates too. Imagine if all the other os's updated like Apple. Don't think for a second blackberry didn't take note to our fragmentation. They have the same 2 phones worldwide for a reason.
And don't think for a second our brand loyalty its less fickle than it is. We will jump ship in drones. Blackberry might not be leading the pack now. But, now is very relative.
So, i agree with everyone.
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Blackberry is done besides bbm what can they really offer? Android apps?
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Blackberry is done besides bbm what can they really offer? Android apps?
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The only level of encryption approved by pretty much every government worldwide for their secure communications. Blackberry will still have it's place in corporate and gov't settings for a while yet, but I don't see the mass appeal that they want and need to regain their once dominant position. They would have to do something more eye-popping than what they did.
On a somewhat different note, what are thoughts that some others have about upcoming platforms? Firefox OS, Tizen, Ubuntu, etc... I read that Samsung will be releasing Tizen phones in Q3.
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The only level of encryption approved by pretty much every government worldwide for their secure communications. Blackberry will still have it's place in corporate and gov't settings for a while yet, but I don't see the mass appeal that they want and need to regain their once dominant position. They would have to do something more eye-popping than what they did.
On a somewhat different note, what are thoughts that some others have about upcoming platforms? Firefox OS, Tizen, Ubuntu, etc... I read that Samsung will be releasing Tizen phones in Q3.
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Well see...I'm happy with the direction android is going in so far. if anything, since iOS doesn't seem to be encouraging innovation with that boring stagnant ui and features, I would like a good third player in the market whoever it may be to keep Google on its toes and android moving along. But blackberry? They had their chance years ago I'm over it and no people won't "flock" to another os people don't think that way
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I think more ppl would flock than you expect. If what they want is simple and their when the need it. I like android but it is confusing. People like comfort and usability.
Now, I don't think they will leave in droves. But, I don't think BlackBerry will disappear either.
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I think more ppl would flock than you expect. If what they want is simple and their when the need it. I like android but it is confusing. People like comfort and usability.
Now, I don't think they will leave in droves. But, I don't think BlackBerry will disappear either.
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I agree with that sentiment. For the average person, blackberry is a known name so they'll give it a shot. And if the OS is smooth and understandable, they won't have any trouble flocking to it. And businesses will buy in bulk.
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I think more ppl would flock than you expect. If what they want is simple and their when the need it. I like android but it is confusing. People like comfort and usability.
Now, I don't think they will leave in droves. But, I don't think BlackBerry will disappear either.
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You hit it right there that people prefer comfort thats why (since rim gave people PLENTY of time to get comfortable with android lol) I don't think they'll FLOCK but I agree there will be people willing to give it a shot and yeah it could actually catch momentum so all we can do is wait and watch haha I'm excited to see how the mobile landscape looks by the end of this year since it changes so rapidly
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I believe android will remain dominant for many years to come I see bb10 as more of a threat to wp8. BlackBerry has made it easy to port over android apps meaning they could easily out shine wp quickly when it comes to apps. I also believe people will defect from android also but not in droves android will remain dominant if only for the choices you can get their is a device out their that fits everyone's needs
Here is a question? Will we need to buy the app again? I assume so. Honestly, both phones are appealing.
There was a good article today about the demise of phones. It could be a great thing. If the losers leave and the leaders cut back we might see more stellar phones from less manufacturers. Lg won't make 30 different phones a year. So, the 5 they end up making might get faster updates.
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AS a user and developer for the andriod device and google has announce that it won't update the s3 on U.S variant because it has a duo core chip ...and to tell you the truth I think it's bullocks , now how come apple update there software for their phones and I'm talking about 3GS til iphone 5 this what lack in andriod , I understand companies want to sell there " new blah blah phone, but its all about marketing... i am really disappointed with the news but if you dont believe me take a look at the link http://legalpronews.findlaw.com/article/0ghn3QJeCYajg?q=Android
it would be samsungs choice not googles...
1. Samsung and each of the US carriers, NOT Google provide the updates to the GSIII.
2. Google only provides updates to the Nexus line.
3. That is the same type of speculative / rumor stuff that came out about the single-core devices when ICS and JB both came out, just like the pre-release rumor about GB when it came out... no phones under either 756 MB or 1GB of RAM and/or under 4 inch screen would be able to run it. my wife's and my daughter's MT3G-S's both ran it just fine with only 600 MHz and 512 MB of RAM.
simply put just the same old b.s. rumors flying around before Google themselves have even unveiled the new OS... it's just some blogger shooting off their mouth trying to get people to jump to the "new hotness" so they don't get left behind.
Samsung nor Google nor the carriers "NEED" do nothing..
While it's true that there are those phone users, such as ourselves, that are tech savvy and want the latest software refresh, look at the shear number of shipped phones! Far in excess of all the registered users on any tech forum added all together.
This means that the average S3 owner only cares that the phone does exactly what was advertised at the time of their purchase and remains stable in operation. S3 has already achieved this, so the "need" is not there. Tens of millions of S3 owners will continue on unaware or even care about that "update".
Now you could argue that we "want" the updates, especially 4.2.2 with premium suite and also Key Lime Pie (5.0). But that argument needs to include how this is financially "beneficial" to Samsung and the carriers that sell their phones.
I agree, I really, really, really want Key Lime Pie along with new S4 type features in the premium suite. Please, pretty please give it to me. I'll then show off this capability and how you care for your customers Samsung. Perhaps enough new purchases of even the older S3 will occur to cover the cost of the new development/testing? So please?
But to demand it as a NEED, meh!
Besides, anything that happens on another Galaxy variant is normally ported to other variants. Like Verizon base sporting multi window.
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Guess it's Samsung's way of forcing you to buy up...I wont upgrade for that, I'll just stick to custom ROMS till my upgrade is due, then getting that Note III! :laugh:
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Guess it's Samsung's way of forcing you to buy up...I wont upgrade for that, I'll just stick to custom ROMS till my upgrade is due, then getting that Note III! :laugh:
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Yep, that'll punish good ole Samsung :cyclops:
Well Supposely samsung will update to 4.2.2 with some of the features of the s4 in May or June. I seriously doubt that as I imagine samsung will think it will hurt sales of the s4, a newer phone with the same firmware of the s3. A. It might come late summer or more waiting, at this point they should just stop 4.1.2
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Well Supposely samsung will update to 4.2.2 with some of the features of the s4 in May or June. I seriously doubt that as I imagine samsung will think it will hurt sales of the s4, a newer phone with the same firmware of the s3. A. It might come late summer or more waiting, at this point they should just stop 4.1.2
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At the same time it may give a Samsung a bad reputation. Especially since they are really competing against Apple they don't have to do anything but it would be in their best interest to do so.
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Good thing I have a Nexus.
I'm joining the S3 club pretty soon. Lol
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Good thing I have a Nexus.
I'm joining the S3 club pretty soon. Lol
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Come on in and join the familia
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I thought that in order to brand their devices as Google devices (has stock play store access), manufactures have to keep their devices up to date for at least 18 months from the date of release?
If that's true then we should get updates until at least November 2013.
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I thought that in order to brand their devices as Google devices (has stock play store access), manufactures have to keep their devices up to date for at least 18 months from the date of release?
If that's true then we should get updates until at least November 2013.
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definitely not the case lol
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I was thinking of the android update alliance. Apparently it was non binding so there was literally nothing forcing the manufacturers to keep their word.
http://androinica.com/2012/06/andro...ter-empty-promises-promises-promises-opinion/
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I thought that in order to brand their devices as Google devices (has stock play store access), manufactures have to keep their devices up to date for at least 18 months from the date of release?
If that's true then we should get updates until at least November 2013.
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Lol
If this was true Android would be the #1 OS no debate
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It's not like these manufacturers aren't making loot on android. Google should put the screws to them and hold them to the update alliance agreement or pull their Google device status. Uphold the quality of the platform or lose play store (all gapps for that matter). Think the s3 would be so wildly popular with no gapps? Plain and simple, if they want to make money on android, they should be held to its release schedule.
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It's not like these manufacturers aren't making loot on android. Google should put the screws to them and hold them to the update alliance agreement or pull their Google device status. Uphold the quality of the platform or lose play store (all gapps for that matter). Think the s3 would be so wildly popular with no gapps? Plain and simple, if they want to make money on android, they should be held to its release schedule.
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It's not like these manufacturers aren't making loot on android. Google should put the screws to them and hold them to the update alliance agreement or pull their Google device status. Uphold the quality of the platform or lose play store (all gapps for that matter). Think the s3 would be so wildly popular with no gapps? Plain and simple, if they want to make money on android, they should be held to its release schedule.
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I don't think Google cares as much how slow these other manufacturers are delivering updates. If they did they would stop releasing little updates every few months and just prep a big one for phones to catch up, and frankly they do sell phones. Their selling point with the nexus devices is you buy a nexus and you'll get all the goodies earlier than everyone else. Bottom line though most consumers don't care about updates I know several people with phones like the blaze still on GB and think is the best thing ever. We are a small community compare to the average regular users.
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I'm not talking about little incremental updates. Google should hold manufactures to major version updates for at least 18 months after release. Google stated that it only intends to release one major version a year going forward. So that's one maybe two major updates depending on release date of the device. I don't think that's a lot to ask.
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Their selling point with the nexus devices is you buy a nexus and you'll get all the goodies EARLIER than everyone else.
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this is where the point is. I'm not saying that anyone should get the updates as rapidly as the nexus does... But i think that 6 months after an update release it's reasonable to believe it should be out for at least a manufacturer's flag ship phone... (and last gen flag ship if still under the 18mo mark)
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