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Can I use my VERIZON Galaxy Nexus phone on T-Mobile? Is there such a "hack"?
Plz let me know - it will help me so much !
Thanks
No. Never going to happen. Impossible. It is physically missing the radios required.
Sell your Verizon model and buy a GSM one.
Also, covered 1000x already.
As they are two different models with different hardware and software... not now, not ever will there be a hack aside from buying a new phone.
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get a cheap tmo phone and set up tethering. Connect your gn to if via wifi.
I saw a tweet from P3Droid that he has a Droid Bionic, Razr and Razor Max working on T-Mobile AND AT&T. From what I understand, they are world phones, his team or something used some kind of software hack. They have T-Mobile and AT&T bands. Unless our G-Nex is a secret world world that we dont know of, it can't work. But the proof of concept is there.
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The aforementioned Motorola phones were previously known to have GSM radios. They were disabled by VZW. Our GN's, however, completely lack the hardware.
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No. They both use different radios and hardware. Would never work unless T-Mobile used Verizon's LTE etc etc.
So I am with Sprint and have the GNex but I am seeing more support for the GSM version ... so even though I have a Nexus.. is it really a Nexus? Does CDMA/LTE play a part in updates? Why doesn't h
My phone received the full Jellybean update? Is it antennas?
The GSM version by default is just going to have more support. Putting the fact that you can buy it cheaper aside, the GSM model works everywhere in the world. Compare that to the Sprint and Verizon models which are different devices for just those carriers (ROMs aren't compatible). Also consider that of the 3 models, the Sprint one probably has the smallest user base just considering the size of the carrier and how relatively recently the phone has gone on sale. The GSM model has been on sale since November 2011, the Verizon has been on sale since December 2011.
CDMA/LTE does play a part in the slowness of updates, basically because the carriers get involved. They have to test the updates on their networks (quite strenuously) before they give the OK to put the update out. We'll see how long Sprint takes (we've yet to get an update for the Sprint model), but we know that Verizon does take a while to push their updates. Your phone will get the Jelly Bean update, it'll just take a while.
The reason why the Sprint Galaxy Nexus isn't an "AOSP device" is simply because Google and Sprint haven't come to terms on their ability to license and distribute the proprietary radio parts with the rest of the Android code. They're currently able to license these for the Verizon model (this is new), and don't need to get specific carrier permission to use the GSM parts.
Your phone is a real Nexus. It'll get updates and will hopefully soon be an AOSP device too. You just have to realize that when the carriers (CDMA specifically) get involved, things get a little weird and not all phones get treated equally.
All of that being said, if you're interested in ROMs and development, I'm sure there will be plenty of great options for you on your Sprint model. If you're not interested in hacking (and that's okay!), then just patiently wait for the OTA and enjoy your device for what it is today.
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The GSM version by default is just going to have more support. Putting the fact that you can buy it cheaper aside, the GSM model works everywhere in the world. Compare that to the Sprint and Verizon models which are different devices for just those carriers (ROMs aren't compatible).
CDMA/LTE does play a part in the slowness of updates, basically because the carriers get involved. They have to test the updates on their networks (quite strenuously) before they give the OK to put the update out. We'll see how long Sprint takes (we've yet to get an update for the Sprint model), but we know that Verizon does take a while to push their updates. Your phone will get the Jelly Bean update, it'll just take a while.
The reason why the Sprint Galaxy Nexus isn't an "AOSP device" is simply because Google and Sprint haven't come to terms on their ability to license and distribute the proprietary radio parts with the rest of the Android code. They're currently able to license these for the Verizon model (this is new), and don't need to get specific carrier permission to use the GSM parts.
Your phone is a real Nexus.
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Thanks for your feedback but in general isn't Sprint closer to Google than any other carrier? Hasn't Sprint shown the most support to the Android team? I.E Google wallet and Nexus S 4G?
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Jess813 said:
Thanks for your feedback but in general isn't Sprint closer to Google than any other carrier? Hasn't Sprint shown the most support to the Android team? I.E Google wallet Nexus S 4G?
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Just because Google and Sprint decided to try and do things like Google Voice Integration and Google Wallet doesn't mean that they'll be able to come to terms on a licensing agreement for proprietary CDMA and LTE code.
Not to mention that there has been some friction between the two over the time since the NS4G has launched. Remember, Google launched the Galaxy Nexus on Sprint over 6 months after it became available worldwide (GSM) and on Verizon (CDMA/LTE). That doesn't seem to be something that would happen if they were really that good of buddies. Sure Verizon likely had a good agreement ($$$) with Google to have exclusivity, but if Google really wanted to launch a Sprint model they could've.
So explain to me why CDMA takes longer than gsm? What do the radios have to do with it ?
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Jess813 said:
So explain to me why CDMA takes longer than gsm? What do the radios have to do with it ?
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CDMA is not open source like GSM, so they have to add in all the proprietary code for the CDMA versions.
As with just about every AT&T phone now a days it seems stuff is missing or gimped from the international models.
Already it seems like the Note II has only Tri-Band 3G and possibly no FM Radio, I've also heard something in the forums of it only supporting 21mpbs 3G rather than 42?mbps 3G like on the international models... can anyone confirm these things or know of anything else the AT&T Note II is missing? I'm really disappointed with this kind of stuff.
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As with just about every AT&T phone now a days it seems stuff is missing or gimped from the international models.
Already it seems like the Note II has only Tri-Band 3G and possibly no FM Radio, I've also heard something in the forums of it only supporting 21mpbs 3G rather than 42?mbps 3G like on the international models... can anyone confirm these things or know of anything else the AT&T Note II is missing? I'm really disappointed with this kind of stuff.
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Iirc att doesn't even support 42mbps, that's Tmobiles area. We have LTE, which is better. No FM radio is on all US versions. Blame the FCC
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if it was the FCC why would the FCC approve the int note for use in USA?
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if it was the FCC why would the FCC approve the int note for use in USA?
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or the FM radios on other US branded phones? ATT wants people to use data
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or the FM radios on other US branded phones? ATT wants people to use data
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but.... it's not just ATT.
Some people just have weird personal vendettas against some cell companies saying they're "gimping" their phones. There is usually a pretty good reason. Like everyone was freaking over the s3 only getting a dual core in the US but it was because the chipsets didn't support LTE yet. Is that the carriers fault? Nope. Sure ATT wants you to use more data (they aren't a NPO lol) but they aren't the only ones to blame for stuff.
AT&T negatives:
LTE will use more battery power (even if you don't have LTE towers in your area or mess with the APNs - there's currently no known way to disable the LTE chip so it will draw power at least searching for a LTE signal.) For some, the positives of LTE outweigh this concern.
Carrier locked device - can't toss in a tmobile SIM and expect it to work. On the other hand, it's usually possible to SIM unlock the phones if you can talk AT&T into it and/or pay someone for a code.
Carrier controlled firmware updates - AT&T devices are typically 3-6 months (and more in many cases) behind international phones on firmware updates including bug fixes. The only carrier slower than AT&T for firmware updates is Verizon (and they might actually get the SGS3 to JB before AT&T does.) It's quite possible that a serious bug is found on the gnote2 and gets fixed for N7100 users, but AT&T (and other US carrier) users are left having to deal with the bug.
Carrier bloat. (Most of this can be frozen, but there might be parts coupled tightly enough with the rest of the firmware that it's difficult/impossible to properly disable it.) In some cases, a user actually might want some of the carrier bloat, however.
Missing firmware items - This goes further than just the FM Radio. I noticed that on my i9300 (international SGS3) there were many more programs than on my wife's AT&T branded SGS3. For example, dropbox, samsung apps, etc. Some of these are just bloat (so don't matter) and some are significant depending on the user.
Possibly a locked bootloader - this is unlikely, but until the phone is released, it's always possible.
Lack of (or less) support in the developer community. The AT&T phone likely won't get near the level of developer support that the international one gets. Put another way, for every 1 developer with a 317m, there are a dozen with n7100's.
This is only a partial list and is likely missing items that we won't realize until the phone is released. On the other hand, I've purposely included at least one item I doubt will be an issue (bootloader) to make the point that we don't yet have complete info.
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Seeing as it's already been successfully rooted, I don't think the bootloader is an issue.
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Seeing as it's already been successfully rooted, I don't think the bootloader is an issue.
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I don't think it'll be an issue either, but the AT&T model hasn't been rooted - the Canadian variant has. Being that the devices will have different pre-loaded bloat, it's also possible they'll have different bootloaders.
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I don't think it'll be an issue either, but the AT&T model hasn't been rooted - the Canadian variant has. Being that the devices will have different pre-loaded bloat, it's also possible they'll have different bootloaders.
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Good point. I'm assuming they'll be the same.
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I don't think it'll be an issue either, but the AT&T model hasn't been rooted - the Canadian variant has. Being that the devices will have different pre-loaded bloat, it's also possible they'll have different bootloaders.
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This was back in Sept, posted by Briefmobile.. they've been pretty good with their sources.. and per article, the source has been spot on with the info it's been giving out... and it's said to have been rooted and comes with an unlock bootloader..
http://briefmobile.com/exclusive-att-galaxy-note-2-already-rooted-before-release
I have the ATT early, and I can assure you it is cwm-able and rootable.
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AT&T negatives:
Lack of (or less) support in the developer community. The AT&T phone likely won't get near the level of developer support that the international one gets. Put another way, for every 1 developer with a 317m, there are a dozen with n7100's.
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Serious question, but why would this be the case? Other than the radios, aren't the hardware on all of the US variants and the international Note II pretty much identical? Couldn't we just flash the rom, but keep the modem corresponding to our carrier?
Not a developer or anything, but I'm just a curious consumer that might buy the Note II when it gets released on AT&T
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Serious question, but why would this be the case? Other than the radios, aren't the hardware on all of the US variants and the international Note II pretty much identical? Couldn't we just flash the rom, but keep the modem corresponding to our carrier?
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That would be ideal, but it's doubtful. N7100 firmware doesn't work on the N7105 (international LTE), and there have already been kernel-level differences noticed between the 7105 and the tmobile variant. Chances are high that the tmobile variant is closer to the 317 than the 7105.
Of course, it's all guesswork until we start actually messing with the phone.
2 more (slight) cons. Native tethering on ATT is not free. And no FM radio app. Hopefully both can be fixed later by devs.
Lack of FM radio - pretty trivial I think.
Lack of a 32/64gb version of the phone (16gb only). Also trivial considering 64gb cards.
ATT tethering not being free isn't only an ATT issue and it's also not a phone hardware limitation....so I don't see this as a con of the phone itself, rather a carrier con. You can get this via rom
I read where someone mentioned that the AT&T model was missing the multi-window feature. Is it still not on the device? The international Note 2 has it. That's a pretty big omission if it's not there. I've been thinking really hard about which one to get but I'd rather have no bloat, fast(er) updates, and full manufacturer software instead of a carrier crippled device with LTE.
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I read where someone mentioned that the AT&T model was missing the multi-window feature. Is it still not on the device? The international Note 2 has it. That's a pretty big omission if it's not there. I've been thinking really hard about which one to get but I'd rather have no bloat, fast(er) updates, and full manufacturer software instead of a carrier crippled device with LTE.
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I kind of agree with this (especially since LTE is over a year away here) No FM radio ( I do use it and it saves battery as well as a lot Data)
Deal breaker is ROM development though. I learned my lesson with the Captivate insofar as development I was really hoping the ATT version would be equivalent to the International. Have to wait and see.
I realize that people really want custom ROMs, as I would, but considering how much better the hardware and OS is getting (note 2 cpu + project butter + 2gb ram) is bloat really so much of an issue?
Seems to me that we can always remove some of the apps we don't need.
Now as for customizations, like the "phablet" stuff that Jamie did with the paranoidandroid rom, those I'll miss.
But overall I'm excited to see how well this phone works, I should have mine on the 7th. I'm looking forward to the new S-Pen integration features, which should be really cool I hope. I am also anticipating a very smooth running device even with the bloated ATT rom As to custom rom's we'll have to see how it goes and keep our hopes up.
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I read where someone mentioned that the AT&T model was missing the multi-window feature. Is it still not on the device? The international Note 2 has it. That's a pretty big omission if it's not there. I've been thinking really hard about which one to get but I'd rather have no bloat, fast(er) updates, and full manufacturer software instead of a carrier crippled device with LTE.
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Pretty sure the i.international models did not have the multi window function on release either (except maybe the Korean version). They got it in an update.
from a galaxy far far away....
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I kind of agree with this (especially since LTE is over a year away here) No FM radio ( I do use it and it saves battery as well as a lot Data)
Deal breaker is ROM development though. I learned my lesson with the Captivate insofar as development I was really hoping the ATT version would be equivalent to the International. Have to wait and see.
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Same with the original Note vs. the international Note. The development was totally different. The development for the AT&T Note didn't even compare to the international. I almost traded my att Note for an international model but I decided to sell it and buy the One X. I forgot to mention in my previous post but that is also a huge consideration. It looks like, as of now, I'll be going with the International Note 2. I use Straight Talk on my One X and plan to with any of my future phones so it's not like I'd be able to use LTE if even my area did have it, which still won't be for at least another year or so.
I wonder tho if the development will be roughly the same since they have the same chipset this time around. Such as roms for the international being portable to the carrier versions and vice versa. Still, even with that, it looks like international versions usually have more development. Plus they get a head start.
Burned one of two way over due upgrades and aquired the note II for $239 to rty out since ATT had busted my Note I three times on MediaNet
I used it stock for a day and for another day rooted and Rommed (Pegasus kernel/ LiteRom) for another day and I have to say I am glad I kept the International Note (running JB 4.2.1) for now as the jury is out. Here is a list of pros and cons I have discovered comparing my use of the Note 1 for a year
Pros
Much easier to handle. A little goes a long way here
Screen is longer. A little is a little here.
OS is faster comparing both JB OS
I like the notification led
Definitively louder speaker
S Pen operation and implementation better
Hotswap SD card
LTE (although we won't get it here for a year or more)
I have a warranty LOL Never had them with International devices.
Cons
ATT Bloat (mostly removed)
No FM Radio. I knew this but I do use the radio as I am a News/Talk radio junkie and to conserve power and data
No 4.2 support yet Lack of development ( its early yet but the "excitement level for development is not there as it is for the Internationals)
ATT/Yahoo Browser terrible. I actually used the Samsung browser. Welcome back Dolphin!
Costing me $15 more a month for "smartphone" Not sure if the device is worth another $200 a year.
Verdict is clear, Get the N7100 and have the best of both worlds Which is my intent .Going to order one and try it and sell the other two. or wait awhile and see what develops.
I do know this. I have been using international devices since the ATT Captivate and should have learned then not to buy a carrier phone.
I'm actually on the fence about whether to get the att or the international version. I have lte in my area and I'm wondering what the data speed difference would be between the both of them? If there's not much difference them I would choose the international but I have no way of testing. What do you think the speeds are?
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Here's an idea of the difference in speeds between HSDPA and LTE.
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I juggled both as well and opted for the lte. I got great coverage here and got spoiled by it over the international one. Both pretty are the same to me as in features and some how I get better battery life with my att one than the international one.
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Wow can't do the international version if its that much of a difference. I get almost 25mbps of lte in my area. Att version it is. Thanks fellas!
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It should at least fall back to 4g anyway if you're not in an lte area anyway.
my 2 cents: i had the same delima when i first ordered my GN2. got it and returned it after one day (thought is was too big) only to win a new GN2 (att version) at a company event. (actually had my choice of a One X/GS3/GN2). nonetheless, i prefer the at&t version for LTE (when needed) and warranty. i'm not a flash-aholic so i'm not sure what i'm missing (yet) with the current crop of custom ROMS; this thing is fluid and fast and, battery life has been very good. i'm using my GN2 mainly for work. personal preference aside, you can't go wrong with either version.
I'm thinking about getting a note 2 but I was wondering what's the difference when it comes to rooting the phablet? Signal wise I'll get better coverage with Verizon so I'm leaning more toward the big red.
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htc-vene12 said:
I'm thinking about getting a note 2 but I was wondering what's the difference when it comes to rooting the phablet? Signal wise I'll get better coverage with Verizon so I'm leaning more toward the big red.
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I guess it's different where ever you are. I have a device on both phones and there are times my note gets better service and there are times my Verizon gets better service.
Beyond that. I don't think you would see much of a difference if you rooted the bad boy.
A lot of Verizon owners have complained about the Verizon logo on the home button but that's water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned.
Verizon 4glte is sweet but atts is faster in my tests. Hope this helps.
Current Devices: At&t Samsung Galaxy Note, Verizon Samsung Galaxy Nexus, Asus Google Nexus 7 Super Tablet
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Probably a typical xda answer, but 'it depends' on where you will be using your phone. Poke around the Verizon GN2 forum (I assume you posted the same question there) and see how people like it. You might also want to base your decision on how active the AT&T and Verizon GN2 forums are if you plan to root/install a custom ROM.
Have you seen much difference between at&t and verizon connection indoors (both cellular and 3g). Also how abuot voice clarity? People claim that verizon has better reception indoors (due to lower spectrum) but i'm curious what you are seeing with your phones. I'm tempted to switch to at&t (from verizon) but bit concern that voice quality will suffer as will reception when I'm indoors (I live and work in the city; and while boston is not new york; it also isn't the plains of iowa).
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I guess it's different where ever you are. I have a device on both phones and there are times my note gets better service and there are times my Verizon gets better service.
Beyond that. I don't think you would see much of a difference if you rooted the bad boy.
A lot of Verizon owners have complained about the Verizon logo on the home button but that's water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned.
Verizon 4glte is sweet but atts is faster in my tests. Hope this helps.
Current Devices: At&t Samsung Galaxy Note, Verizon Samsung Galaxy Nexus, Asus Google Nexus 7 Super Tablet
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Have you seen much difference between at&t and verizon connection indoors (both cellular and 3g). Also how abuot voice clarity? People claim that verizon has better reception indoors (due to lower spectrum) but i'm curious what you are seeing with your phones. I'm tempted to switch to at&t (from verizon) but bit concern that voice quality will suffer as will reception when I'm indoors (I live and work in the city; and while boston is not new york; it also isn't the plains of iowa).
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I can't say which one has an edge. I'd almost always chose at&t here cause you can browse and be on the phone at the same time where as Verizon if you aren't on 4g you can't do it without a htc.
I definitely use Verizon more for the phone calls and I think their 4g is more accessible.
It's an even split for me.
If it helps. I believe I've had more dropped calls with at&t but that's common with them.
As far as Indoors.. I don't see Verizon being better or worse in that department. That too depends on where you are I believe.
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ATT model also gives you the ability to go to other gsm carriers if you dont like their service. Ie tmobile.
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Thanks for the replies guys for what I've seen Verizons signal around my area is better than at&ts so I'm going vzw. Anything is better than sprint
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htc-vene12 said:
Thanks for the replies guys for what I've seen Verizons signal around my area is better than at&ts so I'm going vzw. Anything is better than sprint
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I'll say lol sprint sucks
Current Devices: At&t Samsung Galaxy Note, Verizon Samsung Galaxy Nexus, Asus Google Nexus 7 Super Tablet
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I have verizon; one thing I will comment (other than verizon analality at locking things) is that 3g on verizon sucks. The 4g signal is pretty strong but when it is not there things crawl.
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I'll say lol sprint sucks
Current Devices: At&t Samsung Galaxy Note, Verizon Samsung Galaxy Nexus, Asus Google Nexus 7 Super Tablet
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I have verizon; one thing I will comment (other than verizon analality at locking things) is that 3g on verizon sucks. The 4g signal is pretty strong but when it is not there things crawl.
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I agree with that 100 percent.
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I just switched from Verizon. My wife's phone was first back in July (S3). I have noticed since switching that AT&T's 4gLTE is faster than Verizon. Plus I like having a 4g signal as a second drop back. Verizon all you have is 3g.
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Verizon note 2 doesn't have wireless charging functionality. Also b home button has Verizon logo. From what I read from Verizon forum boot loader is also locked and latest update will brick your phone if you have custom software.
I'd go with ATT note 2 if I were you. That's my 2 cents
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To check your best coverage at home, work, relatives, got to the market and download the 4g,cdma,lte,gsm,wifi coverage maps app from Sensorly. You enter the address and you can see the coverage of the carriers you want.
Verizon also puts more bloatware on your phones than AT&T. Having had their Droids in the past, the locked bootloaders on Verizon are a huge pain. You have to put off updating until the exploit is found.
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If I were you I'd get the AT&T version simply for the fact that of you have coverage your data will not be slow. With Verizon that's not always guaranteed. In many instances I've seen my HSPA+ pull faster speeds than Verizon's LTE. Photo is case and point. Then there's also the matter of root accessibility and that hideous logo on the home button.
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