Which Nexus ? - Samsung Galaxy Nexus

So I am with Sprint and have the GNex but I am seeing more support for the GSM version ... so even though I have a Nexus.. is it really a Nexus? Does CDMA/LTE play a part in updates? Why doesn't h
My phone received the full Jellybean update? Is it antennas?

The GSM version by default is just going to have more support. Putting the fact that you can buy it cheaper aside, the GSM model works everywhere in the world. Compare that to the Sprint and Verizon models which are different devices for just those carriers (ROMs aren't compatible). Also consider that of the 3 models, the Sprint one probably has the smallest user base just considering the size of the carrier and how relatively recently the phone has gone on sale. The GSM model has been on sale since November 2011, the Verizon has been on sale since December 2011.
CDMA/LTE does play a part in the slowness of updates, basically because the carriers get involved. They have to test the updates on their networks (quite strenuously) before they give the OK to put the update out. We'll see how long Sprint takes (we've yet to get an update for the Sprint model), but we know that Verizon does take a while to push their updates. Your phone will get the Jelly Bean update, it'll just take a while.
The reason why the Sprint Galaxy Nexus isn't an "AOSP device" is simply because Google and Sprint haven't come to terms on their ability to license and distribute the proprietary radio parts with the rest of the Android code. They're currently able to license these for the Verizon model (this is new), and don't need to get specific carrier permission to use the GSM parts.
Your phone is a real Nexus. It'll get updates and will hopefully soon be an AOSP device too. You just have to realize that when the carriers (CDMA specifically) get involved, things get a little weird and not all phones get treated equally.
All of that being said, if you're interested in ROMs and development, I'm sure there will be plenty of great options for you on your Sprint model. If you're not interested in hacking (and that's okay!), then just patiently wait for the OTA and enjoy your device for what it is today.

martonikaj said:
The GSM version by default is just going to have more support. Putting the fact that you can buy it cheaper aside, the GSM model works everywhere in the world. Compare that to the Sprint and Verizon models which are different devices for just those carriers (ROMs aren't compatible).
CDMA/LTE does play a part in the slowness of updates, basically because the carriers get involved. They have to test the updates on their networks (quite strenuously) before they give the OK to put the update out. We'll see how long Sprint takes (we've yet to get an update for the Sprint model), but we know that Verizon does take a while to push their updates. Your phone will get the Jelly Bean update, it'll just take a while.
The reason why the Sprint Galaxy Nexus isn't an "AOSP device" is simply because Google and Sprint haven't come to terms on their ability to license and distribute the proprietary radio parts with the rest of the Android code. They're currently able to license these for the Verizon model (this is new), and don't need to get specific carrier permission to use the GSM parts.
Your phone is a real Nexus.
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Thanks for your feedback but in general isn't Sprint closer to Google than any other carrier? Hasn't Sprint shown the most support to the Android team? I.E Google wallet and Nexus S 4G?
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Jess813 said:
Thanks for your feedback but in general isn't Sprint closer to Google than any other carrier? Hasn't Sprint shown the most support to the Android team? I.E Google wallet Nexus S 4G?
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Just because Google and Sprint decided to try and do things like Google Voice Integration and Google Wallet doesn't mean that they'll be able to come to terms on a licensing agreement for proprietary CDMA and LTE code.
Not to mention that there has been some friction between the two over the time since the NS4G has launched. Remember, Google launched the Galaxy Nexus on Sprint over 6 months after it became available worldwide (GSM) and on Verizon (CDMA/LTE). That doesn't seem to be something that would happen if they were really that good of buddies. Sure Verizon likely had a good agreement ($$$) with Google to have exclusivity, but if Google really wanted to launch a Sprint model they could've.

So explain to me why CDMA takes longer than gsm? What do the radios have to do with it ?
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Jess813 said:
So explain to me why CDMA takes longer than gsm? What do the radios have to do with it ?
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CDMA is not open source like GSM, so they have to add in all the proprietary code for the CDMA versions.

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How long until Android "Ice Cream Sandwich"? 4.0?

So one person said ICS would be released in Q4 which is that Sept-Dec? Either way when can I realistically expect to see a phone with ICS on Verizon?
I am thinking of sticking with my Inc until then. I love my inc, and the current options aren't great IMO (Maybe Sammy Galaxy S II) and I know as soon as I pick one up shortly after the ICS phones will come out.
Now I understand the Thunderbolt, Inc2, Bionic, and MotoDroids will probably be able to get ICS when its released (assuming they can be rooted) however here is my issue with that.
1. If ICS is anything like Honeycomb the need for physical buttons will be no longer. Therefor on older phones you will have buttons that don't work (maybe)
2. An ICS phone will be optimized for running that software. Presumably
I truly hope ICS doesn't disappoint, because as great as Android is with features...it lacks in design. I am NOT getting an Iphone, but the little animations and feel of the phone is much cleaner IMO. Hopefully ICS can capture that in its own way.
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So one person said ICS would be released in Q4 which is that Sept-Dec? Either way when can I realistically expect to see a phone with ICS on Verizon?
I am thinking of sticking with my Inc until then. I love my inc, and the current options aren't great IMO (Maybe Sammy Galaxy S II) and I know as soon as I pick one up shortly after the ICS phones will come out.
Now I understand the Thunderbolt, Inc2, Bionic, and MotoDroids will probably be able to get ICS when its released (assuming they can be rooted) however here is my issue with that.
1. If ICS is anything like Honeycomb the need for physical buttons will be no longer. Therefor on older phones you will have buttons that don't work (maybe)
2. An ICS phone will be optimized for running that software. Presumably
I truly hope ICS doesn't disappoint, because as great as Android is with features...it lacks in design. I am NOT getting an Iphone, but the little animations and feel of the phone is much cleaner IMO. Hopefully ICS can capture that in its own way.
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Realistically you should expect ice cream sandwich on verizon sometime next year the reasons for this is because google releases their latest android os to their pure google nexus devices first but we could see it on verizon this year if the LG Nexus 3 goes to verizon sometime this christmas but it will most likely be on tmobile or sprint and yes the nexus 3 will be made by LG
Well according to the latest rumors the Nexus 3 or Nexus 4G as it's supposedly named, will have 4G LTE so that means Verizon but you never know. It would be frickin amazing though; ICS, 4G LTE, UNLOCKED BOOTLOADER, and more timely updates than other phones (using timely loosely).
Looks like the new Nexus is going to AT&T.
http://www.neowin.net/news/details-emerge-on-google-nexus-4g-android-40-on-board
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Well according to the latest rumors the Nexus 3 or Nexus 4G as it's supposedly named, will have 4G LTE so that means Verizon but you never know. It would be frickin amazing though; ICS, 4G LTE, UNLOCKED BOOTLOADER, and more timely updates than other phones (using timely loosely).
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Yup AT&T has 4g lte to but for now they are using hspa + until their 4g lte is ready to roll out so its logical that it will either come to ATT or verizon but most likely since every nexus phone has been gsm it will got ATT
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Yup AT&T has 4g lte to but for now they are using hspa + until their 4g lte is ready to roll out so its logical that it will either come to ATT or verizon but most likely since every nexus phone has been gsm it will got ATT
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It seems kind of illogical to me for it to be released on AT&T if it were to have LTE because by that time AT&T would probably have minimal LTE coverage in a couple of markets compared to the 100+ Verizon plans on having by the end of the year. If I recall correctly, Verizon is at 74 markets as of the 16th I believe. It wouldn't make sense to release a "4G" phone on a network with almost no coverage... But then again, I want it to go to Verizon. Lol
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It seems kind of illogical to me for it to be released on AT&T if it were to have LTE because by that time AT&T would probably have minimal LTE coverage in a couple of markets compared to the 100+ Verizon plans on having by the end of the year. If I recall correctly, Verizon is at 74 markets as of the 16th I believe. It wouldn't make sense to release a "4G" phone on a network with almost no coverage... But then again, I want it to go to Verizon. Lol
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Well ATT bought tmobile recently so that gives them more coverage and it could go to verizon just like the nexus s went to sprint and tmobile
I don't think T-Mobile has LTE so it wouldn't increase AT&T's LTE coverage. And the merger if it happens (it probably will) won't be until early next year possibly the end of this year; which would probably be after the Nexus 3 (or 4G or whatever the hell it's going to be called) will be released.
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Why the hell can't Verizon get a Nexus device, every carrier has had one except VZ.
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[Q] More Dev support, GSM or LTE version?

I'm sure a lot development will be cross compatible but as I've seen and experienced on multiple other phones, including the NS and N1, there are certain things that are unique to particular models aside from the radio. Any speculation as to which version of the GN will likely receive the most support?
I don't know the ratio of US based developers vs European developers generally is but it would seem that with Verizon being the only officially named carrier at this point in the US that most devs here will be working on that version while other areas that will have GSM launches will see dev work in that direction. I'm hoping the GSM version gets a quick carrier release in the US or at least a proper domestic retailer (importing is both expensive and warranty is either a hassle or strictly unsupported).
Just wondering if there are any opinions on this, especially from developers.
It will end up on every carrier eventually.
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There will most definitely be more support for the GSM version, as it will be sold in the USA and the rest of the world. The LTE version will only be sold on Verizon in the USA.
If the G2/Desire Z combination is any indication, having thousands more people outside the US with almost the same phone as the T-mobile G2 has brought huge amounts of development to the platform.
But overall, FWIW the phones will be pretty darn similar, and the only difference should be the network stack required for Verizon's LTE network to be added into custom ROMs. There will be plenty of people on VZW with the GN to develop ROMs. It might just take a little extra time because VZW's official updates will no doubt be slower coming out.
martonikaj said:
There will most definitely be more support for the GSM version, as it will be sold in the USA and the rest of the world. The LTE version will only be sold on Verizon in the USA.
If the G2/Desire Z combination is any indication, having thousands more people outside the US with almost the same phone as the T-mobile G2 has brought huge amounts of development to the platform.
But overall, FWIW the phones will be pretty darn similar, and the only difference should be the network stack required for Verizon's LTE network to be added into custom ROMs. There will be plenty of people on VZW with the GN to develop ROMs. It might just take a little extra time because VZW's official updates will no doubt be slower coming out.
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What he said
i'm sure the same ROM will work on both model as it's in Nexus S and Nexus S 4G
the DEVelopers just need to include the extra reference/drivers into their kernels and/or ROMs
AllGamer said:
i'm sure the same ROM will work on both model as it's in Nexus S and Nexus S 4G
the DEVelopers just need to include the extra reference/drivers into their kernels and/or ROMs
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Or it could simply be an overlay setting when compiling. It's probably not that difficult and any decent roms will be based on source anyway.
I agree. ICS was intended to be platform independent. It'd be a large oversight if developers missed that.

[Q] Getting a Verizon Galaxy Nexus to work on Sprint...

This has become a pet project of mine, but I've found little information available online or on these forums. Is this something that is possible? Some Sprint reps say yes, others say no. The one who do say yes also iterate that you'll need to unlock it yourself, while the ones that say no seem to be newbies or rulebook-followers...which leads me to believe that it IS indeed possible, but with some work on the user's end.
So, has anyone moved a Verizon Android phone over to Sprint? If so, could you give me (and the many others looking for this) a walkthrough of the steps or where to go to research further?
Thanks a lot.
Not going to happen. The esn for the phone has to be in their database to activate the phone.
The only esns in that database are the phones that they sell.
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johnbibbs said:
The only esns in that database are the phones that they sell.
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Can this not be handled with a little social engineering?
DenzelChurchill said:
Can this not be handled with a little social engineering?
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No, the ESNs are in a computer database. If the rep enters an incorrect ESN or, in this case from their point of view invalid, the system will not move forward.
Even if that wasn't the case, I don't believe Verizon and Sprint operate on the same CDMA frequencies. Not to mention LTE. EVEN if that wasn't the case, the Galaxy Nexus pulls its subscriber information(like the phone number, data plan, etc) from its SIM card(just like GSM phones).
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It is impossible at this point. The ESN isn't the roadblock. I'll quote a post made on Phandroid from someone who has much more knowledge on the topic.
"It is physically impossible to activate the Galaxy Nexus on Sprint. The Galaxy Nexus (along with all Verizon 4G LTE phones) provision CDMA using a UICC that has a CDMA SIM program embedded on it. AKA, a CDMA SIM card. There is nowhere to flash to make it work on Sprint!
Even if Sprint were willing to allow non-Sprint devices on their network (which they are not), you're still missing the CDMA SIM card that Sprint has to provide. They aren't making those available until Q4 2012 along with the LTE smartphones. And even then, do you want to try arguing with Verizon to get the Galaxy Nexus SIM unlocked? It just isn't going to happen... And let's not forget Sprint uses a non-standard implementation of CDMA, just like Verizon. They aren't fully compatible on certain aspects, like the messaging channels in 1X."
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Can this not be handled with a little social engineering?
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MAYBE but probably not. You would have to know someone very high up at Sprint who is willing to risk their job for you.
Even then I'm not sure it's entirely possible because I think the 3G data services on this phone are authenticated through the LTE SIM card.
If that is not the case then you would have to figure out a way to program the Sprint PRL into your GN.
Bottom line I don't think it's possible.
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So this report is BS?
gottabemobile.com/2011/12/20/sprint-will-activate-verizon-galaxy-nexus-on-the-now-network
silow said:
It is impossible at this point. The ESN isn't the roadblock. I'll quote a post made on Phandroid from someone who has much more knowledge on the topic.
"It is physically impossible to activate the Galaxy Nexus on Sprint. The Galaxy Nexus (along with all Verizon 4G LTE phones) provision CDMA using a UICC that has a CDMA SIM program embedded on it. AKA, a CDMA SIM card. There is nowhere to flash to make it work on Sprint!
Even if Sprint were willing to allow non-Sprint devices on their network (which they are not), you're still missing the CDMA SIM card that Sprint has to provide. They aren't making those available until Q4 2012 along with the LTE smartphones. And even then, do you want to try arguing with Verizon to get the Galaxy Nexus SIM unlocked? It just isn't going to happen... And let's not forget Sprint uses a non-standard implementation of CDMA, just like Verizon. They aren't fully compatible on certain aspects, like the messaging channels in 1X."
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Hate to refry an old topic, but this is not completely true. The RAZR, RAZR MAXX, Droid 4, and Bionic have been flashed to Cricket. This means there is a way to get it on Sprint. Legally... no. Just as legal as non Boost phones on Boost.
The Nexus uses a VIA chipset and not Qualcomm. Not many people have actually poked around on the device to see if there is anywhere to save the programming.

Any Major differences ?

At the end of the month i will be switching from sprint to Verizon.
I was wondering if there were any MAJOR developmental differences with rooting between the Sprint version of the nexus vs. the Verizon.
Though I will be switching to the Galaxy S3, I figure since this phone is on both sprint and Verizon it would be a good measure to see if verizon has locked their version of the phone down, i know in the past they have put more restriction on their devices compared to other carriers.
I just think there's more development for the Verizon version. Would be nice if you could switch carriers without having to switch phones
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Only difference is a tad bit of bloatware on Verizon.
Like MyVerizon.apk and a couple others.
And yeah, literally every GSM rom is on Toro, as far as I know.
Only a handful are on ToroPlus (Sprint).
Linked in my sig (or stickied above) you can see that the root method is exactly the same (aside from a different CWM.img).
Ok great, just wanted to make sure Verizon wasn't locking down their phones. Sounds like a plan. I can't wait for the gs III to drop
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The Nexus, Verizon..and VoLTE

Hey Folks,
Its been a while since VoLTE was discussed, and with Verizon announceing their LTE rollout will be complete 6 months early, I think this will be a good thing for us Nexus lovers who are on Verizon LTE. I wrote the following on theVerge and I thought I would post it here for us Galaxy Nexus owners to ponder...
First lets talk about LTE
Verizon won the C Block spectrum in March of 2008, bringing the rise of LTE and crazy data speeds on are mobile devices. Everyone was like Google might get into the mobile business as they were bidding on the Spectrum, when in all reality they were setting the reserve price to ensure Open-Access to that block of Spectrum. Verizon won, we have LTE, and the rest is history.
So What Happened to Open Access?
Open Access is still a provision. Which is probably the reason Verizon never really came after folks who rooted their phones and used wireless tethering apps. They were actually fined for trying to block these apps in the Play Store, so the Open Access provisions are alive and kicking. This makes some people wonder why is this a problem then? Because Verizon still uses CDMA for voice services. They basically have an hybrid LTE CDMA model. So in turn they are still allowed to lock down their phones due to the need of CDMA. Updates for the Galaxy Nexus is more of an issue because VZW requires all this rigorous testing for their CDMA network, not necessarily the LTE network.
So VoLTE?
VoLTE is basically Voice carried over your data connection. For Verizon it means it will not have to provide both a LTE and CDMA chip in their phones. Phones will only need a LTE chip and in theory, you will no longer need a voice plan because everything including voice calls are transferred over data. It also means the Open-Access rules are now in full effect, so Verizon cannot lock down phones on the basis of it still needing a CDMA chip. LTE is currently being trialed by Verizon in select cities with plans for Nationwide roll out in 2013.
What it Means for Google and Nexus
Google's Nexus line will easily be able to do a unlocked LTE version for Verizon due to the Open-Access provisions which went into effect purely based on Google's huge opening bid in 2008. With no CDMA, Verizon will no longer have control because of those provisions enforced by the FCC. I'm sure Google wanted to work with Verizon, but they also new that soon Verizon will have no choice. Once VoLTE goes nation wide, expect an unlocked LTE Nexus using this technology, probably priced about $100 more than the GSM version.
All this matters because VoLTE is the future of mobile phones. I think we will soon start seeing purely data plans being available for users to use with both Voice and Data. Google though has done something smart. They have set the price for a high quality unlocked device, and they have set that price low. I imagine a the next Nexus will support VoLTE on Verizon, it will be unlocked, and will cost $400 compared to an unlocked GSM version for $350, as LTE licensing cost a lot more. This will also allow Google to build the device as they want to with Updates coming directly from Google and Carriers being removed completely from the process
So I see these things happening within the Mobile world in the nest 2 years
VoLTE going live nationwide within a year
Unlimited Data Plans making their way back
Unlocked Better priced Contract Free Mobile devices. No more $650 Off contract phones
More competition, with more and more customers becoming month to month non contract users
I do wish that Google had a LTE Nexus available, but Google is working on something and I think next year we will see the beginning of a change to the mobile industry for the better.
Aren't the other carriers' LTE networks hybrid networks as well? I ask this because we don't know when a network like Sprint will go 100% LTE. So even when Verizon goes all LTE, wouldn't an LTE Nexus still technically be exclusive to Verizon?
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Good read, thanks for posting. Although I do not see unlimited data coming back, especially if carriers do switch completely over to data phone calls.
I'm not sure if Google will want to have multiple hardware versions again. I really hope this theory ends up a reality, but I don't know. I would definitely like to stay on Verizon if this was the case. The naysayer in me says we won't see a real Nexus on VZW for a long time if ever. But reading this is making me rethink dropping Verizon to get the Nexus 4 and any future Nexi. I would definitely be ok with skipping the Nexus 4 if VZW ended up with a real Nexus that was only LTE (no CDMA), but it seems like a GSM carrier is the only way to go for a Nexus for the foreseeable future.
Won't happen. Even with VoLTE people won't put up with not having signal if 4g isn't available. So Google most likely would never consider this an option. 4g coverage area just isn't good enough yet.
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Slacker101 said:
Won't happen. Even with VoLTE people won't put up with not having signal if 4g isn't available. So Google most likely would never consider this an option. 4g coverage area just isn't good enough yet.
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Its pretty dang close.
MrBigFeathers said:
I'm not sure if Google will want to have multiple hardware versions again. I really hope this theory ends up a reality, but I don't know. I would definitely like to stay on Verizon if this was the case. The naysayer in me says we won't see a real Nexus on VZW for a long time if ever. But reading this is making me rethink dropping Verizon to get the Nexus 4 and any future Nexi. I would definitely be ok with skipping the Nexus 4 if VZW ended up with a real Nexus that was only LTE (no CDMA), but it seems like a GSM carrier is the only way to go for a Nexus for the foreseeable future.
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Google is notorious for changing their mind. Lets take a look at past decisions.
Nexus One was offered to Verizon but did not pass Verizon QA. Google went GSM only and subsidized through Tmo.
GSM Nexus S was offered via multiple subsidies, as well as a CDMA/WIMAX version.
Galaxy Nexus was offered to Verizon and Verizon accepted. GSM model, and two CDMA/LTE models. No GSM subsidies. (in the US)
Nexus 4 is GSM only, but still carries a a Tmo subsidy.
Nexus 5??? Obviously we can't tell from history.
AOSP
Nexus One
Nexus S
Nexus S 4G
GSM Galaxy Nexus
Then the proprietaries issue came up. All the fail blogs said that CDMA and LTE proprietaries would never be available for AOSP.
Fast forward to today. We not only have CDMA and LTE proprietaries, but Google provided them for the Sprint Galaxy Nexus, which never had plans to be on AOSP. Then they went a step further and provided a factory image for them!
There is also an experimental Xperia S AOSP project. So, now its possible that the Nexus might not be the only AOSP supported device in the future.
If you see a pattern, let me know. All I see is Google feeling out the market still. I mean, they tried out WIMAX. If that doesn't say Google is open to trying different things, what does?
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Won't happen. Even with VoLTE people won't put up with not having signal if 4g isn't available. So Google most likely would never consider this an option. 4g coverage area just isn't good enough yet.
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What you need to understand is Verizon is trying to decommission their entire 3G network by 2020. It is not meant to be a fall over network from LTE, once Verizon completes it LTE roll out next year they will start the 7 year process of moving everyone off of 3G data, which ultimately is just their smartphones. This is why you do not see Verizon selling 3G smartphones anymore. CDMA is old tech similar to ATTs TDMA. If you remember ATT moved from TDMA to GSM back in 2001 and it took about 7 years to really completely move over.
I think it will happen because VoLTE is basically VOIP technology which everyone is moving to, Google already has Google Voice which is basically VOIP service for your phone. Please believe that Google did not spend all that money at opening bid of the Spectrum Auction for them not to even leverage the Open Access provision, which is ultimately what they paid for.
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What you need to understand is Verizon is trying to decommission their entire 3G network by 2020. It is not meant to be a fall over network from LTE, once Verizon completes it LTE roll out next year they will start the 7 year process of moving everyone off of 3G data, which ultimately is just their smartphones. This is why you do not see Verizon selling 3G smartphones anymore. CDMA is old tech similar to ATTs TDMA. If you remember ATT moved from TDMA to GSM back in 2001 and it took about 7 years to really completely move over.
I think it will happen because VoLTE is basically VOIP technology which everyone is moving to, Google already has Google Voice which is basically VOIP service for your phone. Please believe that Google did not spend all that money at opening bid of the Spectrum Auction for them not to even leverage the Open Access provision, which is ultimately what they paid for.
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I do foresee this:
Verizon will have to be sued before they truly follow the open access provision. I don't see any other way around it. Verizon is too self-righteous.
adrynalyne said:
Google is notorious for changing their mind. Lets take a look at past decisions.
Nexus One was offered to Verizon but did not pass Verizon QA. Google went GSM only and subsidized through Tmo.
GSM Nexus S was offered via multiple subsidies, as well as a CDMA/WIMAX version.
Galaxy Nexus was offered to Verizon and Verizon accepted. GSM model, and two CDMA models. No GSM subsidies. (in the US)
Nexus 4 is GSM only, but still carries a a Tmo subsidy.
Nexus 5??? Obviously we can't tell from history.
If you see a pattern, let me know. All I see is Google feeling out the market still. I mean, they tried out WIMAX. If that doesn't say Google is open to trying different things, what does?
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I agree Google is not like Apple who usually waits on new technology, most of the time they are early adopters of new tech. LTE was first made available on an Android device, which hit the Galaxy Nexus that same year. Mobile VOIP is the future, as all carriers are looking to migrate their voice services to their 4G. MetroPCS was even looking to roll out VoLTE nationwide, which is only in limbo because of the T-Mobile merger. T-Mobile is already on record saying they plan to move Voice services to their 4G HSPA+ network so that is the real issue. Long story short that is the direction technology is moving, which is why carriers are scrambling to get there next generation networks online.
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I do foresee this:
Verizon will have to be sued before they truly follow the open access provision. I don't see any other way around it. Verizon is too self-righteous.
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Maybe but the FCC is already hitting them with fines, so I doubt the might have the balls to continue to be difficult.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/31/3207193/verizon-fcc-tethering-700mhz-open-access-fine
Slacker101 said:
Won't happen. Even with VoLTE people won't put up with not having signal if 4g isn't available. So Google most likely would never consider this an option. 4g coverage area just isn't good enough yet.
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Still subject to change obviously, but Verizon just announced this week that their LTE network will cover a little over 90% of the US by the end of next year so most people are going to have access to VoLTE by then at the latest. They pissed me off pretty bad with the GNex update, but I have to give them credit for the pace that they are rolling out LTE.
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This is good stuff! :good:
WiredPirate said:
Good read, thanks for posting. Although I do not see unlimited data coming back, especially if carriers do switch completely over to data phone calls.
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verizon wont ever allow unlocked devices and custom firmware... verizon has said they want to protect their network...
see this: http://androidcommunity.com/verizon-tells-the-fcc-that-locked-bootloaders-are-awesome-20120301/
Verizon justifies its official stance on locked bootloaders by claiming that it’s protecting “customer experience and support”: unlocked bootloaders, they argue, could cause problems for end-users, customer support staff and Verizon’s network in general. Repeating claims made at earlier points, Verizon stated that “unapproved software” could impact the wireless experience for other customers. Despite spectrum purchases from the US government in 2011, Verizon has no legal obligation to make the software on the devices it sells accessible to its customers – it only has to make access to the network available.
rezoundness said:
verizon wont ever allow unlocked devices and custom firmware... verizon has said they want to protect their network...
see this: http://androidcommunity.com/verizon-tells-the-fcc-that-locked-bootloaders-are-awesome-20120301/
Verizon justifies its official stance on locked bootloaders by claiming that it’s protecting “customer experience and support”: unlocked bootloaders, they argue, could cause problems for end-users, customer support staff and Verizon’s network in general. Repeating claims made at earlier points, Verizon stated that “unapproved software” could impact the wireless experience for other customers. Despite spectrum purchases from the US government in 2011, Verizon has no legal obligation to make the software on the devices it sells accessible to its customers – it only has to make access to the network available.
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Invalid argument.
Point in case:
Motorola dev phones that use Verizon.
Samsung dev phones that use Verizon.
Galaxy Nexus.
All examples have unlockable bootloaders. Don't believe what all these blogs preach.
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Invalid argument.
Point in case:
Motorola dev phones that use Verizon.
Samsung dev phones that use Verizon.
Galaxy Nexus.
All examples have unlockable bootloaders. Don't believe what all these blogs preach.
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Exactly, Verizon is not requiring OEM's to do anything, they are just encouraging them to lock down boot loaders, but in the end OEMS can do what ever they want. The other side of the issue is that developer edition phones will probably not be subsidized by Verizon as that is their choice.
But...Google sales their unlocked stuff at cost anyway out side of Verizon's grubby paws, so it doesn't really matter and Google will probably careless about what Verizon thinks and wants because they know Verizon's end game.
Pierceye said:
Still subject to change obviously, but Verizon just announced this week that their LTE network will cover a little over 90% of the US by the end of next year so most people are going to have access to VoLTE by then at the latest. They pissed me off pretty bad with the GNex update, but I have to give them credit for the pace that they are rolling out LTE.
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Actually Verizon announced that their LTE rollout will be complete by middle of next year covering their entire 3G area. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57547595-94/verizon-plans-to-complete-its-lte-rollout-by-mid-2013/
My question is this: when VoLTE rolls out across Verizon's network, will the Galaxy Nexus be able to use this? Because, if this will be possible, one could theoretically just run their phone off LTE by enabling an option in a custom rom. AOKP, the rom I'm currently using, has a setting for LTE only. Doing this, as far as I understand, would save a lot of battery by not having to be connected to the CDMA network for voice calls, and I would assume you could go as far as removing the CDMA radio from the phone. Having unlimited data I could see only good from this, although others with tiered plans might not be so welcome to this idea. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
cmajpwc said:
My question is this: when VoLTE rolls out across Verizon's network, will the Galaxy Nexus be able to use this? Because, if this will be possible, one could theoretically just run their phone off LTE by enabling an option in a custom rom. AOKP, the rom I'm currently using, has a setting for LTE only. Doing this, as far as I understand, would save a lot of battery by not having to be connected to the CDMA network for voice calls, and I would assume you could go as far as removing the CDMA radio from the phone. Having unlimited data I could see only good from this, although others with tiered plans might not be so welcome to this idea. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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It should support VoLTE. It has the required IMS Framework. Unless using a custom rom and the dev was an idiot and removed it.
Missing one detail. Verizon has long term corporate goals of decommissioning the EvDo portion of the network, however the 1xAdvanced fallback will be here to stay for voice traffic on basic/feature phones and I wouldn't expect any smartphones to come without a CDMA radio for the purposes of common sense. It's been awhile since I've read about it in full degree, but CDMA will continue to live on.

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