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Hey guys, I currently own a Nexus S 4g on sprint and I'm really considering jumping ship due to the ****ty data speeds, pulled premier program and lack of official CDMA Nexus S support.
My question is this: Is there a similar issue with the CDMA GNex on Verizon? Is it too early to tell?
I desperately want 4g considering the coverage is great in my area, but I'd be willing to trade that to not deal with the same bull**** that my Nexus S on sprint forces me to deal with.
TL;DR Version: Does Verizon GNex have full OTA and Rom support compared to the GSM Unlocked Version on AT&T's network?
Verizon OTAs will be behind GSM generally, but not a discernible amount. The basic thing to know here is that Verizon's CDMA and LTE network stacks are proprietary (closed source) and they have to add it and test it before putting an OTA out. This doesn't have to happen on the GSM model as its standardized and open source.
ROM community should still be pretty strong for the VZW version. But when it comes down to it the base of users using the GSM model around the world is probably larger (and its the official dev phone). There will surely be good community support of both versions.
Thing is that if you care about OTAs you probably don't care about ROMs, and vice versa. Kinda gotta tell us what you care about more. But luckily with the Nexus you'll stay pretty up to date without rooting and ROMing.
The amount of data you will use is 100% based on your usage patterns. Don't let someone else's usage give you an idea of how much you'll use. That's something you should be able to figure out based on your previous usage.
And by the way, there is no AT&T version of this phone. There is the unlocked GSM version, which works on any GSM carrier in the world. The OTAs on that model have nothing to do with what carrier you're currently using (only on the variant of regional software/radio you may or may not have).
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Verizon OTAs will be behind GSM generally, but not a discernible amount. The basic thing to know here is that Verizon's CDMA and LTE network stacks are proprietary (closed source) and they have to add it and test it before putting an OTA out. This doesn't have to happen on the GSM model as its standardized and open source.
ROM community should still be pretty strong for the VZW version. But when it comes down to it the base of users using the GSM model around the world is probably larger (and its the official dev phone). There will surely be good community support of both versions.
The amount of data you will use is 100% based on your usage patterns. Don't let someone else's usage give you an idea of how much you'll use. That's something you should be able to figure out based on your previous usage.
And by the way, there is no AT&T version of this phone. There is the unlocked GSM version, which works on any GSM carrier in the world. The OTAs on that model have nothing to do with what carrier you're currently using (only on the variant of regional software/radio you may or may not have).
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Thanks for the response and the clarification about the unlocked GSM version. In your opinion, do you think the official dev support/larger user base is worth the slower data speeds and ****tier customer service?
supralover72 said:
Thanks for the response and the clarification about the unlocked GSM version. In your opinion, do you think the official dev support/larger user base is worth the slower data speeds and ****tier customer service?
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Well the data speeds aren't just slower with no benefit. HSPA+ does severely better on battery than LTE does. But the speeds are still very serviceable. IMHO 10mbps is still plenty fast lol.
You also get the benefit of choosing your own carrier. If you're on AT&T or T-Mobile you'll get the same customer service for network issues, you just won't get hardware customer service. With GSM you get to choose any carrier and stay off contract and potentially save a TON of money every month if you decide to go that route. You probably have about 12 carriers to choose from when looking at all the GSM offerings in the US. When you buy the VZW Galaxy Nexus, you're going to be paying Verizon every month for the rest of the time you use that device, and that's it.
This is a much larger question that has been battled in 100's of pages of flaming between VZW and other GSM users. You should read up on those but when it comes down to it just understand that there are pros and cons to both that you should weigh when choosing. As I said you have to decide what's important to you.
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Well the data speeds aren't just slower with no benefit. HSPA+ does severely better on battery than LTE does. But the speeds are still very serviceable. IMHO 10mbps is still plenty fast lol.
You also get the benefit of choosing your own carrier. If you're on AT&T or T-Mobile you'll get the same customer service for network issues, you just won't get hardware customer service. With GSM you get to choose any carrier and stay off contract and potentially save a TON of money every month if you decide to go that route. You probably have about 12 carriers to choose from when looking at all the GSM offerings in the US.
This is a much larger question that has been battled in 100's of pages of flaming between VZW and other GSM users. You should read up on those but when it comes down to it just understand that there are pros and cons to both that you should weigh when choosing.
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Thanks a bunch for the help and for being polite. I'll do some searching and read up on that for sure. Sounds like HSPA+ ain't half bad...
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Thanks a bunch for the help and for being polite. I'll do some searching and read up on that for sure. Sounds like HSPA+ ain't half bad...
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The GSM version isn't a 2nd class citizen to the LTE version. Not by a long shot. You shouldn't feel like you're getting the short end of the stick going GSM. Its a world class device.
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The GSM version isn't a 2nd class citizen to the LTE version. Not by a long shot. You shouldn't feel like you're getting the short end of the stick going GSM. Its a world class device.
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After looking at some of these no contract prices and considering I can have my Brother's employee edition GSM GNex for free this is looking like the option for me.
supralover72 said:
After looking at some of these no contract prices and considering I can have my Brother's employee edition GSM GNex for free this is looking like the option for me.
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You should read through this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1455014
Only 16 gigs of memory in the GSM version is something to think about with no memory card slot...
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You should read through this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1455014
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Awesome reading it now. Thanks.
@eman: Not an issue, my nexus s has 16gb so I'm used to consolidating. Thanks for the heads up though.
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Awesome reading it now. Thanks.
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Yeah no problem its an awesome thread.
I'm personally using my unlocked i9250 on $30 T-Mobile plan and its working fantastically.
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Yeah no problem its an awesome thread.
I'm personally using my unlocked i9250 on $30 T-Mobile plan and its working fantastically.
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Yea I couldn't believe that plan. Seemed too good to be true till I read people actually using it.
It must do wonders for the hearing impaired.
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Yea I couldn't believe that plan. Seemed too good to be true till I read people actually using it.
It must do wonders for the hearing impaired.
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Its a pretty amazing plan really. Best deal in wireless in the US today IMHO.
So I am with Sprint and have the GNex but I am seeing more support for the GSM version ... so even though I have a Nexus.. is it really a Nexus? Does CDMA/LTE play a part in updates? Why doesn't h
My phone received the full Jellybean update? Is it antennas?
The GSM version by default is just going to have more support. Putting the fact that you can buy it cheaper aside, the GSM model works everywhere in the world. Compare that to the Sprint and Verizon models which are different devices for just those carriers (ROMs aren't compatible). Also consider that of the 3 models, the Sprint one probably has the smallest user base just considering the size of the carrier and how relatively recently the phone has gone on sale. The GSM model has been on sale since November 2011, the Verizon has been on sale since December 2011.
CDMA/LTE does play a part in the slowness of updates, basically because the carriers get involved. They have to test the updates on their networks (quite strenuously) before they give the OK to put the update out. We'll see how long Sprint takes (we've yet to get an update for the Sprint model), but we know that Verizon does take a while to push their updates. Your phone will get the Jelly Bean update, it'll just take a while.
The reason why the Sprint Galaxy Nexus isn't an "AOSP device" is simply because Google and Sprint haven't come to terms on their ability to license and distribute the proprietary radio parts with the rest of the Android code. They're currently able to license these for the Verizon model (this is new), and don't need to get specific carrier permission to use the GSM parts.
Your phone is a real Nexus. It'll get updates and will hopefully soon be an AOSP device too. You just have to realize that when the carriers (CDMA specifically) get involved, things get a little weird and not all phones get treated equally.
All of that being said, if you're interested in ROMs and development, I'm sure there will be plenty of great options for you on your Sprint model. If you're not interested in hacking (and that's okay!), then just patiently wait for the OTA and enjoy your device for what it is today.
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The GSM version by default is just going to have more support. Putting the fact that you can buy it cheaper aside, the GSM model works everywhere in the world. Compare that to the Sprint and Verizon models which are different devices for just those carriers (ROMs aren't compatible).
CDMA/LTE does play a part in the slowness of updates, basically because the carriers get involved. They have to test the updates on their networks (quite strenuously) before they give the OK to put the update out. We'll see how long Sprint takes (we've yet to get an update for the Sprint model), but we know that Verizon does take a while to push their updates. Your phone will get the Jelly Bean update, it'll just take a while.
The reason why the Sprint Galaxy Nexus isn't an "AOSP device" is simply because Google and Sprint haven't come to terms on their ability to license and distribute the proprietary radio parts with the rest of the Android code. They're currently able to license these for the Verizon model (this is new), and don't need to get specific carrier permission to use the GSM parts.
Your phone is a real Nexus.
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Thanks for your feedback but in general isn't Sprint closer to Google than any other carrier? Hasn't Sprint shown the most support to the Android team? I.E Google wallet and Nexus S 4G?
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Jess813 said:
Thanks for your feedback but in general isn't Sprint closer to Google than any other carrier? Hasn't Sprint shown the most support to the Android team? I.E Google wallet Nexus S 4G?
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Just because Google and Sprint decided to try and do things like Google Voice Integration and Google Wallet doesn't mean that they'll be able to come to terms on a licensing agreement for proprietary CDMA and LTE code.
Not to mention that there has been some friction between the two over the time since the NS4G has launched. Remember, Google launched the Galaxy Nexus on Sprint over 6 months after it became available worldwide (GSM) and on Verizon (CDMA/LTE). That doesn't seem to be something that would happen if they were really that good of buddies. Sure Verizon likely had a good agreement ($$$) with Google to have exclusivity, but if Google really wanted to launch a Sprint model they could've.
So explain to me why CDMA takes longer than gsm? What do the radios have to do with it ?
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Jess813 said:
So explain to me why CDMA takes longer than gsm? What do the radios have to do with it ?
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CDMA is not open source like GSM, so they have to add in all the proprietary code for the CDMA versions.
As with just about every AT&T phone now a days it seems stuff is missing or gimped from the international models.
Already it seems like the Note II has only Tri-Band 3G and possibly no FM Radio, I've also heard something in the forums of it only supporting 21mpbs 3G rather than 42?mbps 3G like on the international models... can anyone confirm these things or know of anything else the AT&T Note II is missing? I'm really disappointed with this kind of stuff.
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As with just about every AT&T phone now a days it seems stuff is missing or gimped from the international models.
Already it seems like the Note II has only Tri-Band 3G and possibly no FM Radio, I've also heard something in the forums of it only supporting 21mpbs 3G rather than 42?mbps 3G like on the international models... can anyone confirm these things or know of anything else the AT&T Note II is missing? I'm really disappointed with this kind of stuff.
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Iirc att doesn't even support 42mbps, that's Tmobiles area. We have LTE, which is better. No FM radio is on all US versions. Blame the FCC
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if it was the FCC why would the FCC approve the int note for use in USA?
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if it was the FCC why would the FCC approve the int note for use in USA?
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or the FM radios on other US branded phones? ATT wants people to use data
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or the FM radios on other US branded phones? ATT wants people to use data
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but.... it's not just ATT.
Some people just have weird personal vendettas against some cell companies saying they're "gimping" their phones. There is usually a pretty good reason. Like everyone was freaking over the s3 only getting a dual core in the US but it was because the chipsets didn't support LTE yet. Is that the carriers fault? Nope. Sure ATT wants you to use more data (they aren't a NPO lol) but they aren't the only ones to blame for stuff.
AT&T negatives:
LTE will use more battery power (even if you don't have LTE towers in your area or mess with the APNs - there's currently no known way to disable the LTE chip so it will draw power at least searching for a LTE signal.) For some, the positives of LTE outweigh this concern.
Carrier locked device - can't toss in a tmobile SIM and expect it to work. On the other hand, it's usually possible to SIM unlock the phones if you can talk AT&T into it and/or pay someone for a code.
Carrier controlled firmware updates - AT&T devices are typically 3-6 months (and more in many cases) behind international phones on firmware updates including bug fixes. The only carrier slower than AT&T for firmware updates is Verizon (and they might actually get the SGS3 to JB before AT&T does.) It's quite possible that a serious bug is found on the gnote2 and gets fixed for N7100 users, but AT&T (and other US carrier) users are left having to deal with the bug.
Carrier bloat. (Most of this can be frozen, but there might be parts coupled tightly enough with the rest of the firmware that it's difficult/impossible to properly disable it.) In some cases, a user actually might want some of the carrier bloat, however.
Missing firmware items - This goes further than just the FM Radio. I noticed that on my i9300 (international SGS3) there were many more programs than on my wife's AT&T branded SGS3. For example, dropbox, samsung apps, etc. Some of these are just bloat (so don't matter) and some are significant depending on the user.
Possibly a locked bootloader - this is unlikely, but until the phone is released, it's always possible.
Lack of (or less) support in the developer community. The AT&T phone likely won't get near the level of developer support that the international one gets. Put another way, for every 1 developer with a 317m, there are a dozen with n7100's.
This is only a partial list and is likely missing items that we won't realize until the phone is released. On the other hand, I've purposely included at least one item I doubt will be an issue (bootloader) to make the point that we don't yet have complete info.
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Seeing as it's already been successfully rooted, I don't think the bootloader is an issue.
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Seeing as it's already been successfully rooted, I don't think the bootloader is an issue.
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I don't think it'll be an issue either, but the AT&T model hasn't been rooted - the Canadian variant has. Being that the devices will have different pre-loaded bloat, it's also possible they'll have different bootloaders.
garyd9 said:
I don't think it'll be an issue either, but the AT&T model hasn't been rooted - the Canadian variant has. Being that the devices will have different pre-loaded bloat, it's also possible they'll have different bootloaders.
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Good point. I'm assuming they'll be the same.
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I don't think it'll be an issue either, but the AT&T model hasn't been rooted - the Canadian variant has. Being that the devices will have different pre-loaded bloat, it's also possible they'll have different bootloaders.
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This was back in Sept, posted by Briefmobile.. they've been pretty good with their sources.. and per article, the source has been spot on with the info it's been giving out... and it's said to have been rooted and comes with an unlock bootloader..
http://briefmobile.com/exclusive-att-galaxy-note-2-already-rooted-before-release
I have the ATT early, and I can assure you it is cwm-able and rootable.
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AT&T negatives:
Lack of (or less) support in the developer community. The AT&T phone likely won't get near the level of developer support that the international one gets. Put another way, for every 1 developer with a 317m, there are a dozen with n7100's.
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Serious question, but why would this be the case? Other than the radios, aren't the hardware on all of the US variants and the international Note II pretty much identical? Couldn't we just flash the rom, but keep the modem corresponding to our carrier?
Not a developer or anything, but I'm just a curious consumer that might buy the Note II when it gets released on AT&T
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Serious question, but why would this be the case? Other than the radios, aren't the hardware on all of the US variants and the international Note II pretty much identical? Couldn't we just flash the rom, but keep the modem corresponding to our carrier?
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That would be ideal, but it's doubtful. N7100 firmware doesn't work on the N7105 (international LTE), and there have already been kernel-level differences noticed between the 7105 and the tmobile variant. Chances are high that the tmobile variant is closer to the 317 than the 7105.
Of course, it's all guesswork until we start actually messing with the phone.
2 more (slight) cons. Native tethering on ATT is not free. And no FM radio app. Hopefully both can be fixed later by devs.
Lack of FM radio - pretty trivial I think.
Lack of a 32/64gb version of the phone (16gb only). Also trivial considering 64gb cards.
ATT tethering not being free isn't only an ATT issue and it's also not a phone hardware limitation....so I don't see this as a con of the phone itself, rather a carrier con. You can get this via rom
I read where someone mentioned that the AT&T model was missing the multi-window feature. Is it still not on the device? The international Note 2 has it. That's a pretty big omission if it's not there. I've been thinking really hard about which one to get but I'd rather have no bloat, fast(er) updates, and full manufacturer software instead of a carrier crippled device with LTE.
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I read where someone mentioned that the AT&T model was missing the multi-window feature. Is it still not on the device? The international Note 2 has it. That's a pretty big omission if it's not there. I've been thinking really hard about which one to get but I'd rather have no bloat, fast(er) updates, and full manufacturer software instead of a carrier crippled device with LTE.
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I kind of agree with this (especially since LTE is over a year away here) No FM radio ( I do use it and it saves battery as well as a lot Data)
Deal breaker is ROM development though. I learned my lesson with the Captivate insofar as development I was really hoping the ATT version would be equivalent to the International. Have to wait and see.
I realize that people really want custom ROMs, as I would, but considering how much better the hardware and OS is getting (note 2 cpu + project butter + 2gb ram) is bloat really so much of an issue?
Seems to me that we can always remove some of the apps we don't need.
Now as for customizations, like the "phablet" stuff that Jamie did with the paranoidandroid rom, those I'll miss.
But overall I'm excited to see how well this phone works, I should have mine on the 7th. I'm looking forward to the new S-Pen integration features, which should be really cool I hope. I am also anticipating a very smooth running device even with the bloated ATT rom As to custom rom's we'll have to see how it goes and keep our hopes up.
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I read where someone mentioned that the AT&T model was missing the multi-window feature. Is it still not on the device? The international Note 2 has it. That's a pretty big omission if it's not there. I've been thinking really hard about which one to get but I'd rather have no bloat, fast(er) updates, and full manufacturer software instead of a carrier crippled device with LTE.
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Pretty sure the i.international models did not have the multi window function on release either (except maybe the Korean version). They got it in an update.
from a galaxy far far away....
tbong777 said:
I kind of agree with this (especially since LTE is over a year away here) No FM radio ( I do use it and it saves battery as well as a lot Data)
Deal breaker is ROM development though. I learned my lesson with the Captivate insofar as development I was really hoping the ATT version would be equivalent to the International. Have to wait and see.
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Same with the original Note vs. the international Note. The development was totally different. The development for the AT&T Note didn't even compare to the international. I almost traded my att Note for an international model but I decided to sell it and buy the One X. I forgot to mention in my previous post but that is also a huge consideration. It looks like, as of now, I'll be going with the International Note 2. I use Straight Talk on my One X and plan to with any of my future phones so it's not like I'd be able to use LTE if even my area did have it, which still won't be for at least another year or so.
I wonder tho if the development will be roughly the same since they have the same chipset this time around. Such as roms for the international being portable to the carrier versions and vice versa. Still, even with that, it looks like international versions usually have more development. Plus they get a head start.
Hey Folks,
Its been a while since VoLTE was discussed, and with Verizon announceing their LTE rollout will be complete 6 months early, I think this will be a good thing for us Nexus lovers who are on Verizon LTE. I wrote the following on theVerge and I thought I would post it here for us Galaxy Nexus owners to ponder...
First lets talk about LTE
Verizon won the C Block spectrum in March of 2008, bringing the rise of LTE and crazy data speeds on are mobile devices. Everyone was like Google might get into the mobile business as they were bidding on the Spectrum, when in all reality they were setting the reserve price to ensure Open-Access to that block of Spectrum. Verizon won, we have LTE, and the rest is history.
So What Happened to Open Access?
Open Access is still a provision. Which is probably the reason Verizon never really came after folks who rooted their phones and used wireless tethering apps. They were actually fined for trying to block these apps in the Play Store, so the Open Access provisions are alive and kicking. This makes some people wonder why is this a problem then? Because Verizon still uses CDMA for voice services. They basically have an hybrid LTE CDMA model. So in turn they are still allowed to lock down their phones due to the need of CDMA. Updates for the Galaxy Nexus is more of an issue because VZW requires all this rigorous testing for their CDMA network, not necessarily the LTE network.
So VoLTE?
VoLTE is basically Voice carried over your data connection. For Verizon it means it will not have to provide both a LTE and CDMA chip in their phones. Phones will only need a LTE chip and in theory, you will no longer need a voice plan because everything including voice calls are transferred over data. It also means the Open-Access rules are now in full effect, so Verizon cannot lock down phones on the basis of it still needing a CDMA chip. LTE is currently being trialed by Verizon in select cities with plans for Nationwide roll out in 2013.
What it Means for Google and Nexus
Google's Nexus line will easily be able to do a unlocked LTE version for Verizon due to the Open-Access provisions which went into effect purely based on Google's huge opening bid in 2008. With no CDMA, Verizon will no longer have control because of those provisions enforced by the FCC. I'm sure Google wanted to work with Verizon, but they also new that soon Verizon will have no choice. Once VoLTE goes nation wide, expect an unlocked LTE Nexus using this technology, probably priced about $100 more than the GSM version.
All this matters because VoLTE is the future of mobile phones. I think we will soon start seeing purely data plans being available for users to use with both Voice and Data. Google though has done something smart. They have set the price for a high quality unlocked device, and they have set that price low. I imagine a the next Nexus will support VoLTE on Verizon, it will be unlocked, and will cost $400 compared to an unlocked GSM version for $350, as LTE licensing cost a lot more. This will also allow Google to build the device as they want to with Updates coming directly from Google and Carriers being removed completely from the process
So I see these things happening within the Mobile world in the nest 2 years
VoLTE going live nationwide within a year
Unlimited Data Plans making their way back
Unlocked Better priced Contract Free Mobile devices. No more $650 Off contract phones
More competition, with more and more customers becoming month to month non contract users
I do wish that Google had a LTE Nexus available, but Google is working on something and I think next year we will see the beginning of a change to the mobile industry for the better.
Aren't the other carriers' LTE networks hybrid networks as well? I ask this because we don't know when a network like Sprint will go 100% LTE. So even when Verizon goes all LTE, wouldn't an LTE Nexus still technically be exclusive to Verizon?
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Good read, thanks for posting. Although I do not see unlimited data coming back, especially if carriers do switch completely over to data phone calls.
I'm not sure if Google will want to have multiple hardware versions again. I really hope this theory ends up a reality, but I don't know. I would definitely like to stay on Verizon if this was the case. The naysayer in me says we won't see a real Nexus on VZW for a long time if ever. But reading this is making me rethink dropping Verizon to get the Nexus 4 and any future Nexi. I would definitely be ok with skipping the Nexus 4 if VZW ended up with a real Nexus that was only LTE (no CDMA), but it seems like a GSM carrier is the only way to go for a Nexus for the foreseeable future.
Won't happen. Even with VoLTE people won't put up with not having signal if 4g isn't available. So Google most likely would never consider this an option. 4g coverage area just isn't good enough yet.
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Won't happen. Even with VoLTE people won't put up with not having signal if 4g isn't available. So Google most likely would never consider this an option. 4g coverage area just isn't good enough yet.
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Its pretty dang close.
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I'm not sure if Google will want to have multiple hardware versions again. I really hope this theory ends up a reality, but I don't know. I would definitely like to stay on Verizon if this was the case. The naysayer in me says we won't see a real Nexus on VZW for a long time if ever. But reading this is making me rethink dropping Verizon to get the Nexus 4 and any future Nexi. I would definitely be ok with skipping the Nexus 4 if VZW ended up with a real Nexus that was only LTE (no CDMA), but it seems like a GSM carrier is the only way to go for a Nexus for the foreseeable future.
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Google is notorious for changing their mind. Lets take a look at past decisions.
Nexus One was offered to Verizon but did not pass Verizon QA. Google went GSM only and subsidized through Tmo.
GSM Nexus S was offered via multiple subsidies, as well as a CDMA/WIMAX version.
Galaxy Nexus was offered to Verizon and Verizon accepted. GSM model, and two CDMA/LTE models. No GSM subsidies. (in the US)
Nexus 4 is GSM only, but still carries a a Tmo subsidy.
Nexus 5??? Obviously we can't tell from history.
AOSP
Nexus One
Nexus S
Nexus S 4G
GSM Galaxy Nexus
Then the proprietaries issue came up. All the fail blogs said that CDMA and LTE proprietaries would never be available for AOSP.
Fast forward to today. We not only have CDMA and LTE proprietaries, but Google provided them for the Sprint Galaxy Nexus, which never had plans to be on AOSP. Then they went a step further and provided a factory image for them!
There is also an experimental Xperia S AOSP project. So, now its possible that the Nexus might not be the only AOSP supported device in the future.
If you see a pattern, let me know. All I see is Google feeling out the market still. I mean, they tried out WIMAX. If that doesn't say Google is open to trying different things, what does?
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Won't happen. Even with VoLTE people won't put up with not having signal if 4g isn't available. So Google most likely would never consider this an option. 4g coverage area just isn't good enough yet.
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What you need to understand is Verizon is trying to decommission their entire 3G network by 2020. It is not meant to be a fall over network from LTE, once Verizon completes it LTE roll out next year they will start the 7 year process of moving everyone off of 3G data, which ultimately is just their smartphones. This is why you do not see Verizon selling 3G smartphones anymore. CDMA is old tech similar to ATTs TDMA. If you remember ATT moved from TDMA to GSM back in 2001 and it took about 7 years to really completely move over.
I think it will happen because VoLTE is basically VOIP technology which everyone is moving to, Google already has Google Voice which is basically VOIP service for your phone. Please believe that Google did not spend all that money at opening bid of the Spectrum Auction for them not to even leverage the Open Access provision, which is ultimately what they paid for.
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What you need to understand is Verizon is trying to decommission their entire 3G network by 2020. It is not meant to be a fall over network from LTE, once Verizon completes it LTE roll out next year they will start the 7 year process of moving everyone off of 3G data, which ultimately is just their smartphones. This is why you do not see Verizon selling 3G smartphones anymore. CDMA is old tech similar to ATTs TDMA. If you remember ATT moved from TDMA to GSM back in 2001 and it took about 7 years to really completely move over.
I think it will happen because VoLTE is basically VOIP technology which everyone is moving to, Google already has Google Voice which is basically VOIP service for your phone. Please believe that Google did not spend all that money at opening bid of the Spectrum Auction for them not to even leverage the Open Access provision, which is ultimately what they paid for.
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I do foresee this:
Verizon will have to be sued before they truly follow the open access provision. I don't see any other way around it. Verizon is too self-righteous.
adrynalyne said:
Google is notorious for changing their mind. Lets take a look at past decisions.
Nexus One was offered to Verizon but did not pass Verizon QA. Google went GSM only and subsidized through Tmo.
GSM Nexus S was offered via multiple subsidies, as well as a CDMA/WIMAX version.
Galaxy Nexus was offered to Verizon and Verizon accepted. GSM model, and two CDMA models. No GSM subsidies. (in the US)
Nexus 4 is GSM only, but still carries a a Tmo subsidy.
Nexus 5??? Obviously we can't tell from history.
If you see a pattern, let me know. All I see is Google feeling out the market still. I mean, they tried out WIMAX. If that doesn't say Google is open to trying different things, what does?
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I agree Google is not like Apple who usually waits on new technology, most of the time they are early adopters of new tech. LTE was first made available on an Android device, which hit the Galaxy Nexus that same year. Mobile VOIP is the future, as all carriers are looking to migrate their voice services to their 4G. MetroPCS was even looking to roll out VoLTE nationwide, which is only in limbo because of the T-Mobile merger. T-Mobile is already on record saying they plan to move Voice services to their 4G HSPA+ network so that is the real issue. Long story short that is the direction technology is moving, which is why carriers are scrambling to get there next generation networks online.
adrynalyne said:
I do foresee this:
Verizon will have to be sued before they truly follow the open access provision. I don't see any other way around it. Verizon is too self-righteous.
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Maybe but the FCC is already hitting them with fines, so I doubt the might have the balls to continue to be difficult.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/31/3207193/verizon-fcc-tethering-700mhz-open-access-fine
Slacker101 said:
Won't happen. Even with VoLTE people won't put up with not having signal if 4g isn't available. So Google most likely would never consider this an option. 4g coverage area just isn't good enough yet.
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Still subject to change obviously, but Verizon just announced this week that their LTE network will cover a little over 90% of the US by the end of next year so most people are going to have access to VoLTE by then at the latest. They pissed me off pretty bad with the GNex update, but I have to give them credit for the pace that they are rolling out LTE.
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This is good stuff! :good:
WiredPirate said:
Good read, thanks for posting. Although I do not see unlimited data coming back, especially if carriers do switch completely over to data phone calls.
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verizon wont ever allow unlocked devices and custom firmware... verizon has said they want to protect their network...
see this: http://androidcommunity.com/verizon-tells-the-fcc-that-locked-bootloaders-are-awesome-20120301/
Verizon justifies its official stance on locked bootloaders by claiming that it’s protecting “customer experience and support”: unlocked bootloaders, they argue, could cause problems for end-users, customer support staff and Verizon’s network in general. Repeating claims made at earlier points, Verizon stated that “unapproved software” could impact the wireless experience for other customers. Despite spectrum purchases from the US government in 2011, Verizon has no legal obligation to make the software on the devices it sells accessible to its customers – it only has to make access to the network available.
rezoundness said:
verizon wont ever allow unlocked devices and custom firmware... verizon has said they want to protect their network...
see this: http://androidcommunity.com/verizon-tells-the-fcc-that-locked-bootloaders-are-awesome-20120301/
Verizon justifies its official stance on locked bootloaders by claiming that it’s protecting “customer experience and support”: unlocked bootloaders, they argue, could cause problems for end-users, customer support staff and Verizon’s network in general. Repeating claims made at earlier points, Verizon stated that “unapproved software” could impact the wireless experience for other customers. Despite spectrum purchases from the US government in 2011, Verizon has no legal obligation to make the software on the devices it sells accessible to its customers – it only has to make access to the network available.
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Invalid argument.
Point in case:
Motorola dev phones that use Verizon.
Samsung dev phones that use Verizon.
Galaxy Nexus.
All examples have unlockable bootloaders. Don't believe what all these blogs preach.
adrynalyne said:
Invalid argument.
Point in case:
Motorola dev phones that use Verizon.
Samsung dev phones that use Verizon.
Galaxy Nexus.
All examples have unlockable bootloaders. Don't believe what all these blogs preach.
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Exactly, Verizon is not requiring OEM's to do anything, they are just encouraging them to lock down boot loaders, but in the end OEMS can do what ever they want. The other side of the issue is that developer edition phones will probably not be subsidized by Verizon as that is their choice.
But...Google sales their unlocked stuff at cost anyway out side of Verizon's grubby paws, so it doesn't really matter and Google will probably careless about what Verizon thinks and wants because they know Verizon's end game.
Pierceye said:
Still subject to change obviously, but Verizon just announced this week that their LTE network will cover a little over 90% of the US by the end of next year so most people are going to have access to VoLTE by then at the latest. They pissed me off pretty bad with the GNex update, but I have to give them credit for the pace that they are rolling out LTE.
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Actually Verizon announced that their LTE rollout will be complete by middle of next year covering their entire 3G area. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57547595-94/verizon-plans-to-complete-its-lte-rollout-by-mid-2013/
My question is this: when VoLTE rolls out across Verizon's network, will the Galaxy Nexus be able to use this? Because, if this will be possible, one could theoretically just run their phone off LTE by enabling an option in a custom rom. AOKP, the rom I'm currently using, has a setting for LTE only. Doing this, as far as I understand, would save a lot of battery by not having to be connected to the CDMA network for voice calls, and I would assume you could go as far as removing the CDMA radio from the phone. Having unlimited data I could see only good from this, although others with tiered plans might not be so welcome to this idea. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
cmajpwc said:
My question is this: when VoLTE rolls out across Verizon's network, will the Galaxy Nexus be able to use this? Because, if this will be possible, one could theoretically just run their phone off LTE by enabling an option in a custom rom. AOKP, the rom I'm currently using, has a setting for LTE only. Doing this, as far as I understand, would save a lot of battery by not having to be connected to the CDMA network for voice calls, and I would assume you could go as far as removing the CDMA radio from the phone. Having unlimited data I could see only good from this, although others with tiered plans might not be so welcome to this idea. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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It should support VoLTE. It has the required IMS Framework. Unless using a custom rom and the dev was an idiot and removed it.
Missing one detail. Verizon has long term corporate goals of decommissioning the EvDo portion of the network, however the 1xAdvanced fallback will be here to stay for voice traffic on basic/feature phones and I wouldn't expect any smartphones to come without a CDMA radio for the purposes of common sense. It's been awhile since I've read about it in full degree, but CDMA will continue to live on.
There has been a lot of discussion about this topic on the development section which is the wrong section for this topic. So i decided to open this thread.
Members tell us what you know or what you have investigated on this topic.
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There has been a lot of discussion about this topic on the development section which is the wrong section for this topic. So i decided to open this thread.
Members tell us what you know or what you have investigated on this topic.
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Look up one post from your thread.
dude you're kidding right..?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1996837'
i know you're trying to help out, and i appreciate your intentions, but please do a search before posting, it'll save you from looking like a dork
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saranhai said:
dude you're kidding right..?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1996837'
i know you're trying to help out, and i appreciate your intentions, but please do a search before posting, it'll save you from looking like a dork
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I always report these type of things if I post. I agree, his intentions are in the right though.
saranhai said:
dude you're kidding right..?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1996837'
i know you're trying to help out, and i appreciate your intentions, but please do a search before posting, it'll save you from looking like a dork
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I guess all of us look like dorks when talking about topics not related to the actual thread. Anyway like you said just trying to help. But my bad.
Yes!
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There has been a lot of discussion about this topic on the development section which is the wrong section for this topic. So i decided to open this thread.
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I am 100% sure as I have consulted with Samsung internal people and Tmobile managers. The S3 is the SAME device for all carriers in the USA hardware wise. Each Carrier then gets source from google, and samsung modifies it (like adding TouchWiz for example). Then they dispense the devices. So if you believe that much....it would be logical to reason that our T999 can use LTE once ready with android updated to a version similar to the one running stock on Verizon handsets for example, which currently does. Also the point about FCC making some rule against it is wrong. I know for a fact that T-Mobile is deploying LTE in a few test cities now! And over coming months some large cities including NYC, LA, etc will be turned on to LTE. I believe at that point we should get another OTA just like the MD5 example (a new radio and Touchwiz and Android updates) will be pushed and also devs will make rooted versions as Jovy does for us now. Again I am unsure why everyone wants to piss and moan and argue that this is not true. I would think most people such as myself are thrilled I do not have to spend several hundred dollars more at the end of the Fall to upgrade to the S4 since I do not believe that phone has really tons more things I need (13mpx camera I dont care...quad core...slightly larger screen....so on....all minor stuff to me). I like the S3 and wish to use it for a while. So say what you like but I am certain our phone with same Qualcom chipset MSM8960 (review this for proof: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip) will work on LTE network once it is updated in coming months.
Sincerely,
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I am 100% sure as I have consulted with Samsung internal people and Tmobile managers. The S3 is the SAME device for all carriers in the USA hardware wise. Each Carrier then gets source from google, and samsung modifies it (like adding TouchWiz for example). Then they dispense the devices. So if you believe that much....it would be logical to reason that our T999 can use LTE once ready with android updated to a version similar to the one running stock on Verizon handsets for example, which currently does. Also the point about FCC making some rule against it is wrong. I know for a fact that T-Mobile is deploying LTE in a few test cities now! And over coming months some large cities including NYC, LA, etc will be turned on to LTE. I believe at that point we should get another OTA just like the MD5 example (a new radio and Touchwiz and Android updates) will be pushed and also devs will make rooted versions as Jovy does for us now. Again I am unsure why everyone wants to piss and moan and argue that this is not true. I would think most people such as myself are thrilled I do not have to spend several hundred dollars more at the end of the Fall to upgrade to the S4 since I do not believe that phone has really tons more things I need (13mpx camera I dont care...quad core...slightly larger screen....so on....all minor stuff to me). I like the S3 and wish to use it for a while. So say what you like but I am certain our phone with same Qualcom chipset MSM8960 (review this for proof: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip) will work on LTE network once it is updated in coming months.
Sincerely,
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You have really put a lot of investigation into this topic. Not my case. But you have made very good points. I just cannot wait then for lte.
photolarry said:
I am 100% sure as I have consulted with Samsung internal people and Tmobile managers. The S3 is the SAME device for all carriers in the USA hardware wise. Each Carrier then gets source from google, and samsung modifies it (like adding TouchWiz for example). Then they dispense the devices. So if you believe that much....it would be logical to reason that our T999 can use LTE once ready with android updated to a version similar to the one running stock on Verizon handsets for example, which currently does. Also the point about FCC making some rule against it is wrong. I know for a fact that T-Mobile is deploying LTE in a few test cities now! And over coming months some large cities including NYC, LA, etc will be turned on to LTE. I believe at that point we should get another OTA just like the MD5 example (a new radio and Touchwiz and Android updates) will be pushed and also devs will make rooted versions as Jovy does for us now. Again I am unsure why everyone wants to piss and moan and argue that this is not true. I would think most people such as myself are thrilled I do not have to spend several hundred dollars more at the end of the Fall to upgrade to the S4 since I do not believe that phone has really tons more things I need (13mpx camera I dont care...quad core...slightly larger screen....so on....all minor stuff to me). I like the S3 and wish to use it for a while. So say what you like but I am certain our phone with same Qualcom chipset MSM8960 (review this for proof: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip) will work on LTE network once it is updated in coming months.
Sincerely,
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Then, why is tmobile coming out with THE T999l? Otherwise known as T999 WITH LTE.
http://upcomingnewphones.com/upcomi...xy-s-iii-with-lte-sgh-t999l-release-date.html
Logic alone will tell you, the reason why is because the current generation, DOES NOT HAVE LTE!! The phones are identical, except, ours lacks LTE components. You want a T999 with LTE, wait for the T999L. Case closed!
LoopDoGG79 said:
Then, why is tmobile coming out with THE T999l? Otherwise known as T999 WITH LTE.
http://upcomingnewphones.com/upcomi...xy-s-iii-with-lte-sgh-t999l-release-date.html
Logic alone will tell you, the reason why is because the current generation, DOES NOT HAVE LTE!! The phones are identical, except, ours lacks LTE components. You want a T999 with LTE, wait for the T999L. Case closed!
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Out of curiosity, why would T-mobile release an S3 with LTE, while the S4 is already capable of LTE? That just doesn't make sense especially at the fact that they will most likely cost about the same. If this ends up being true, T-mobile makes the dumbest decisions imho.
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edboy21 said:
Out of curiosity, why would T-mobile release an S3 with LTE, while the S4 is already capable of LTE? That just doesn't make sense especially at the fact that they will most likely cost about the same. If this ends up being true, T-mobile makes the dumbest decisions imho.
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Lol, I've been with Tmobile for 6 years, nothing they do surprises me. But, the T999L is fact, and on its way. The S4 is more then a S3 with LTE, at least that's what Tmobile is betting on people think.
Edit: I think it came out last month!
LoopDoGG79 said:
Then, why is tmobile coming out with THE T999l? Otherwise known as T999 WITH LTE.
http://upcomingnewphones.com/upcomi...xy-s-iii-with-lte-sgh-t999l-release-date.html
Logic alone will tell you, the reason why is because the current generation, DOES NOT HAVE LTE!! The phones are identical, except, ours lacks LTE components. You want a T999 with LTE, wait for the T999L. Case closed!
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Teardowns of the T999 have indicated that the LTE hardware does exist, but remains dormant. The baseband and duplexers can support it, of course. The band 4 power amplifier supports WCDMA and LTE. In fact, so does the band 1, band 2, and band 5 power amplifiers. Also notably, the T999 features a band 12/17 LTE power amplifier with a band 17 duplexer.
The better question is: would flashing the T999L firmware work properly on a T999?
Conan Kudo said:
Teardowns of the T999 have indicated that the LTE hardware does exist, but remains dormant. The baseband and duplexers can support it, of course. The band 4 power amplifier supports WCDMA and LTE. In fact, so does the band 1, band 2, and band 5 power amplifiers. Also notably, the T999 features a band 12/17 LTE power amplifier with a band 17 duplexer.
The better question is: would flashing the T999L firmware work properly on a T999?
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You know what would be ironic? What if the T999L was simply T999's that have had their "dormant" LTE components activated and then resold? That the T999L is the T999 recertifed by the FCC and requiring a new designation but not actually a new phone?
Thus one runs out and purchases the T999L for LTE and has the same phone in hand (with possible solder pad jump or other non-software override for LTE).
That's my tinfoil hat conspiracy for the day. :cyclops:
This would be a closely held secret. Especially if the customer turns in their old phone and it's turned into a T999L for the spares/replacement stock.
But, how does one tell which board rev is in his phone? is there an app?
I don't get the same kind of dashboard details on my (now stock) GS3.
About Device says:
Model: SGH-T999
Android Version 4.3
Baseband version T999UVUENC2
Kernel version 3.0.31-1962493 (Sat Mar 8 2014)
Build Number JSS15JT999UVUENC2
nothing about Board version or Device.
One local TMobile store said it wasn't finding 4G/LTE only because I had rooted it (I since unrooted it and ran all updates).
Another store insisted on the T99l designated models had LTE.
yours is NOT lte enabled. rooted or not doesn't matter.