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I want to know if this is possible at all, does anyone know of any ways to put a verizon phone on sprints network? I think it has been done before, I will buy this phone if I can get 3g to work on sprint
Nope, VZW and Sprint operate at 2 different frequencies AND if you could somehow do it I don't think Sprint allows Third Party/Unlocked Phones.
actually they are teh same frequencies. how else would our roaming on verizon's network work?
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actually they are teh same frequencies. how else would our roaming on verizon's network work?
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Yea I actually think you are right because verizon and sprint share a tower here in Virginia. But sprint would never allow it.
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I've been told different things by different reps at different Sprint locations. One guy in-store told me that it's "very possible" but that the customer has to do all the unlocking, etc. Another rep at one of their call centers reiterated the same. "If you unlock it, we can do it. Otherwise, there's nothing we can do."
So the question remains, how can we unlock it? I'd LOVE to stay with Sprint. Does anyone have expertise in this area? I've seen a few threads on this and they all seem to go unanswered...wondering if it's not a popular topic or if it's something we shouldn't be discussing?
Thanks!
Run around clockwise half naked below freezing while chanting "goosfrabah"...
Seriously no need to be posting such a thread. It's been posted and debated and talked about. Google and such should be your friend.
Either make googley eyes (and maybe much "more") at someone deep inside Sprint to add a VZW ESN to their database, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, or murk in the underworlds of ESN cloning and modification, NOT HAPPENING HERE on XDA...
Posting from another thread.
No, the ESNs are in a computer database. If the rep enters an incorrect ESN or, in this case from their point of view invalid, the system will not move forward.
Even if that wasn't the case, I don't believe Verizon and Sprint operate on the same CDMA frequencies. Not to mention LTE. EVEN if that wasn't the case, the Galaxy Nexus pulls its subscriber information(like the phone number, data plan, etc) from its SIM card(just like GSM phones).
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http://phandroid.com/2011/12/20/spr...e-given-the-green-light-for-activation-rumor/
Possible, YES. Depends only on if sprint want to activate it or not. Phones generally support the entire spectrum and not just the subset that carrier uses.
For example on GSM, phones either support ALL of the 900 spectrum or none of it. The fact that the spectrum is split in two and used by different operators doesn't make a difference - thats just handled by the simlock/Activation of ESN.
It wouldn't make much sense for a hardware manufacturer to cripple a radio baseband to part of the spectrum if it can handle all of it, otherwise they would need to make new mainboards for each operator.
LTE is a different situation. As the spectrum is not split, and each operator use an entirely different spectrum. It would be more costly to add other spectrums on a Verizon device with no real benefit, if they have no plans to offer it on any other operator. Also it may be more cost or design effective to make two different boards if for example they can't fit an antenna that can handle both frequencies.
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Posting from another thread.
No, the ESNs are in a computer database. If the rep enters an incorrect ESN or, in this case from their point of view invalid, the system will not move forward.
Even if that wasn't the case, I don't believe Verizon and Sprint operate on the same CDMA frequencies. Not to mention LTE. EVEN if that wasn't the case, the Galaxy Nexus pulls its subscriber information(like the phone number, data plan, etc) from its SIM card(just like GSM phones).
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VZW and Sprint operate on the same CDMA frequencies, 1x CDMA 2000 and 3G. How else do Sprint and VZW roam off each other for voice and data? When it comes to 4G, that's where they differ, LTE vs WiMax (for now). Even when Sprint goes LTE, they'll be running on a different LTE frequency than VZW and AT&T, so LTE roaming shouldn't be on anyone's radar for the foreseeable future.
And NO, the VZW GNex does not pull "its subscriber information (like the phone number, data plan, etc) from its SIM card(just like GSM phones)." Subscriber info is pulled from the ESN/MEID unique to any CDMA phone (VZW and Sprint included) to authenticate on the network. The SIM in VZW LTE phones is for LTE purposes ONLY, 4G data only and nothing else.
Why dont you get the galaxy s II? Wish I could get it for Verizon
LordLugard said:
VZW and Sprint operate on the same CDMA frequencies, 1x CDMA 2000 and 3G. How else do Sprint and VZW roam off each other for voice and data? When it comes to 4G, that's where they differ, LTE vs WiMax (for now). Even when Sprint goes LTE, they'll be running on a different LTE frequency than VZW and AT&T, so LTE roaming shouldn't be on anyone's radar for the foreseeable future.
And NO, the VZW GNex does not pull "its subscriber information (like the phone number, data plan, etc) from its SIM card(just like GSM phones)." Subscriber info is pulled from the ESN/MEID unique to any CDMA phone (VZW and Sprint included) to authenticate on the network. The SIM in VZW LTE phones is for LTE purposes ONLY, 4G data only and nothing else.
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Thanks for the clarification on the frequencies thing. I wasnt 100% sure what Sprint operated on.
As for the SIM, I am 100% sure. Trade SIM cards with a friend, even to another microSIM device like a Samsung Stratosphere Restart your phone and then call eachother. The numbers will be swapped. Heck, even easier. Yank your SIM out and make a test call or check under the About Phone options.
EDIT: I know that Sprint uses CDMA(1x) and EVDO(3G). But what bands do they operate on? Just like AT&T and T-Mobile use GSM(aka edge) and HSPA(3G) but on different bands so not all their phones are entirely cross compatible.
EDIT2: Found my own answer. VZW operates on 850mhz, and 1900mhz. Sprint is 800mhz and 1900mhz. So you may in theory use a 3G Verizon phone on Sprints network with limited capability. I'd imagine it would be just like if you put an ATT iPhone on T-Mobile and be able to make calls but only get 2G.
Regardless of the frequencies you still have the ESN lockout as well as the SIM card issue.
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Sprint not going to activate the phone no matter what you do.
CDMA carriers have the last say so of what goes on their network and what does not. They chose what you use not you. They base the their phones off of the ESN/MEIDs if those do not match up to a "clean" one in their system then no go. Its their way of forcing contracts, "if you have to get a sprint phone may as well get the contract with it." they thing. GSM on the other hand you can do it because the identification of the carrier is on the SIM card rather then the phone. However, some carriers will "flash" a phone over like Criket or metro pcs (however they can brick the phone and then you can't even do anything with it.)
MetroPCS lets you bring in any CDMA phone and activate it on their network. I'm sure sprint could do the same if they wanted to.
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MetroPCS lets you bring in any CDMA phone and activate it on their network. I'm sure sprint could do the same if they wanted to.
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Emphasis on "IF THEY WANTED TO." If past behavior is indicative of the future then reason says they don't.
Lets assume Sprint suddenly changes its mind after years of hemorrhaging customers and move beyond that, as I've previously said the Galaxy Nexus(and all 4G LTE phones) behave more like GSM phones than CDMA and pull their subscriber information from the SIM card. Don't believe me? Try to use your VZW Galaxy Nexus without your SIM. Mine didn't work. Further my theortical point about the supported bands still stand. Who wants a Galaxy Nexus on 1X data?
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I thought that Sprint was going to offer the Gnex at some point. Was I just dreaming that? Does anyone know if Sprint is going to get the GN?
I could have sworn I heard that Sprint was getting it somewhere....
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Emphasis on "IF THEY WANTED TO." If past behavior is indicative of the future then reason says they don't.
Lets assume Sprint suddenly changes its mind after years of hemorrhaging customers and move beyond that, as I've previously said the Galaxy Nexus(and all 4G LTE phones) behave more like GSM phones than CDMA and pull their subscriber information from the SIM card. Don't believe me? Try to use your VZW Galaxy Nexus without your SIM. Mine didn't work. Further my theortical point about the supported bands still stand. Who wants a Galaxy Nexus on 1X data?
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The reason your LTE VZW phone will not work without the SIM has nothing to do with pulling subscriber info but more to do with just authenticating with the LTE network, period.
Once again, your subscriber info is more hard coded to your ESN/MEID.
The LTE network could go down (like it has done now several times) and your phone will work fine with CDMA voice and 2G/3G. If the CDMA network goes down then you're screwed because all authentication starts there.
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bradm23 said:
Why dont you get the galaxy s II? Wish I could get it for Verizon
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That.
+1 char
LordLugard said:
The reason your LTE VZW phone will not work without the SIM has nothing to do with pulling subscriber info but more to do with just authenticating with the LTE network, period.
Once again, your subscriber info is more hard coded to your ESN/MEID.
The LTE network could go down (like it has done now several times) and your phone will work fine with CDMA voice and 2G/3G. If the CDMA network goes down then you're screwed because all authentication starts there.
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I'd love to hear your explaination for the following behaviors. The only thing I changed was I took out my SIM card. You'll notice now even the time is wrong since the phones sync their time with the carrier.
EDIT: removed pictures because I'm paranoid/OCD about personal info.
You can post as many pics as you want. Your "subscriber info" is tied to your esn/meid in the system. Without those, whether you have an LTE sim or not on a CDMA network like VZW, your phone will not function. The LTE sim doesn't handle voice or any calling functions, just data.
When your phone connects to a cell tower (or the network), certain parameters are sent for a sort of handshake, which are your esn/meid.
I think you need to better familiarize yourself with the fact that VZW is a CDMA network first and foremost (and with all that entails, esn/meid/msid etc) with an LTE based data-only network (for now) built alongside it.
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Hey Folks,
Its been a while since VoLTE was discussed, and with Verizon announceing their LTE rollout will be complete 6 months early, I think this will be a good thing for us Nexus lovers who are on Verizon LTE. I wrote the following on theVerge and I thought I would post it here for us Galaxy Nexus owners to ponder...
First lets talk about LTE
Verizon won the C Block spectrum in March of 2008, bringing the rise of LTE and crazy data speeds on are mobile devices. Everyone was like Google might get into the mobile business as they were bidding on the Spectrum, when in all reality they were setting the reserve price to ensure Open-Access to that block of Spectrum. Verizon won, we have LTE, and the rest is history.
So What Happened to Open Access?
Open Access is still a provision. Which is probably the reason Verizon never really came after folks who rooted their phones and used wireless tethering apps. They were actually fined for trying to block these apps in the Play Store, so the Open Access provisions are alive and kicking. This makes some people wonder why is this a problem then? Because Verizon still uses CDMA for voice services. They basically have an hybrid LTE CDMA model. So in turn they are still allowed to lock down their phones due to the need of CDMA. Updates for the Galaxy Nexus is more of an issue because VZW requires all this rigorous testing for their CDMA network, not necessarily the LTE network.
So VoLTE?
VoLTE is basically Voice carried over your data connection. For Verizon it means it will not have to provide both a LTE and CDMA chip in their phones. Phones will only need a LTE chip and in theory, you will no longer need a voice plan because everything including voice calls are transferred over data. It also means the Open-Access rules are now in full effect, so Verizon cannot lock down phones on the basis of it still needing a CDMA chip. LTE is currently being trialed by Verizon in select cities with plans for Nationwide roll out in 2013.
What it Means for Google and Nexus
Google's Nexus line will easily be able to do a unlocked LTE version for Verizon due to the Open-Access provisions which went into effect purely based on Google's huge opening bid in 2008. With no CDMA, Verizon will no longer have control because of those provisions enforced by the FCC. I'm sure Google wanted to work with Verizon, but they also new that soon Verizon will have no choice. Once VoLTE goes nation wide, expect an unlocked LTE Nexus using this technology, probably priced about $100 more than the GSM version.
All this matters because VoLTE is the future of mobile phones. I think we will soon start seeing purely data plans being available for users to use with both Voice and Data. Google though has done something smart. They have set the price for a high quality unlocked device, and they have set that price low. I imagine a the next Nexus will support VoLTE on Verizon, it will be unlocked, and will cost $400 compared to an unlocked GSM version for $350, as LTE licensing cost a lot more. This will also allow Google to build the device as they want to with Updates coming directly from Google and Carriers being removed completely from the process
So I see these things happening within the Mobile world in the nest 2 years
VoLTE going live nationwide within a year
Unlimited Data Plans making their way back
Unlocked Better priced Contract Free Mobile devices. No more $650 Off contract phones
More competition, with more and more customers becoming month to month non contract users
I do wish that Google had a LTE Nexus available, but Google is working on something and I think next year we will see the beginning of a change to the mobile industry for the better.
Aren't the other carriers' LTE networks hybrid networks as well? I ask this because we don't know when a network like Sprint will go 100% LTE. So even when Verizon goes all LTE, wouldn't an LTE Nexus still technically be exclusive to Verizon?
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Good read, thanks for posting. Although I do not see unlimited data coming back, especially if carriers do switch completely over to data phone calls.
I'm not sure if Google will want to have multiple hardware versions again. I really hope this theory ends up a reality, but I don't know. I would definitely like to stay on Verizon if this was the case. The naysayer in me says we won't see a real Nexus on VZW for a long time if ever. But reading this is making me rethink dropping Verizon to get the Nexus 4 and any future Nexi. I would definitely be ok with skipping the Nexus 4 if VZW ended up with a real Nexus that was only LTE (no CDMA), but it seems like a GSM carrier is the only way to go for a Nexus for the foreseeable future.
Won't happen. Even with VoLTE people won't put up with not having signal if 4g isn't available. So Google most likely would never consider this an option. 4g coverage area just isn't good enough yet.
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Slacker101 said:
Won't happen. Even with VoLTE people won't put up with not having signal if 4g isn't available. So Google most likely would never consider this an option. 4g coverage area just isn't good enough yet.
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Its pretty dang close.
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I'm not sure if Google will want to have multiple hardware versions again. I really hope this theory ends up a reality, but I don't know. I would definitely like to stay on Verizon if this was the case. The naysayer in me says we won't see a real Nexus on VZW for a long time if ever. But reading this is making me rethink dropping Verizon to get the Nexus 4 and any future Nexi. I would definitely be ok with skipping the Nexus 4 if VZW ended up with a real Nexus that was only LTE (no CDMA), but it seems like a GSM carrier is the only way to go for a Nexus for the foreseeable future.
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Google is notorious for changing their mind. Lets take a look at past decisions.
Nexus One was offered to Verizon but did not pass Verizon QA. Google went GSM only and subsidized through Tmo.
GSM Nexus S was offered via multiple subsidies, as well as a CDMA/WIMAX version.
Galaxy Nexus was offered to Verizon and Verizon accepted. GSM model, and two CDMA/LTE models. No GSM subsidies. (in the US)
Nexus 4 is GSM only, but still carries a a Tmo subsidy.
Nexus 5??? Obviously we can't tell from history.
AOSP
Nexus One
Nexus S
Nexus S 4G
GSM Galaxy Nexus
Then the proprietaries issue came up. All the fail blogs said that CDMA and LTE proprietaries would never be available for AOSP.
Fast forward to today. We not only have CDMA and LTE proprietaries, but Google provided them for the Sprint Galaxy Nexus, which never had plans to be on AOSP. Then they went a step further and provided a factory image for them!
There is also an experimental Xperia S AOSP project. So, now its possible that the Nexus might not be the only AOSP supported device in the future.
If you see a pattern, let me know. All I see is Google feeling out the market still. I mean, they tried out WIMAX. If that doesn't say Google is open to trying different things, what does?
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Won't happen. Even with VoLTE people won't put up with not having signal if 4g isn't available. So Google most likely would never consider this an option. 4g coverage area just isn't good enough yet.
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What you need to understand is Verizon is trying to decommission their entire 3G network by 2020. It is not meant to be a fall over network from LTE, once Verizon completes it LTE roll out next year they will start the 7 year process of moving everyone off of 3G data, which ultimately is just their smartphones. This is why you do not see Verizon selling 3G smartphones anymore. CDMA is old tech similar to ATTs TDMA. If you remember ATT moved from TDMA to GSM back in 2001 and it took about 7 years to really completely move over.
I think it will happen because VoLTE is basically VOIP technology which everyone is moving to, Google already has Google Voice which is basically VOIP service for your phone. Please believe that Google did not spend all that money at opening bid of the Spectrum Auction for them not to even leverage the Open Access provision, which is ultimately what they paid for.
HeCareth said:
What you need to understand is Verizon is trying to decommission their entire 3G network by 2020. It is not meant to be a fall over network from LTE, once Verizon completes it LTE roll out next year they will start the 7 year process of moving everyone off of 3G data, which ultimately is just their smartphones. This is why you do not see Verizon selling 3G smartphones anymore. CDMA is old tech similar to ATTs TDMA. If you remember ATT moved from TDMA to GSM back in 2001 and it took about 7 years to really completely move over.
I think it will happen because VoLTE is basically VOIP technology which everyone is moving to, Google already has Google Voice which is basically VOIP service for your phone. Please believe that Google did not spend all that money at opening bid of the Spectrum Auction for them not to even leverage the Open Access provision, which is ultimately what they paid for.
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I do foresee this:
Verizon will have to be sued before they truly follow the open access provision. I don't see any other way around it. Verizon is too self-righteous.
adrynalyne said:
Google is notorious for changing their mind. Lets take a look at past decisions.
Nexus One was offered to Verizon but did not pass Verizon QA. Google went GSM only and subsidized through Tmo.
GSM Nexus S was offered via multiple subsidies, as well as a CDMA/WIMAX version.
Galaxy Nexus was offered to Verizon and Verizon accepted. GSM model, and two CDMA models. No GSM subsidies. (in the US)
Nexus 4 is GSM only, but still carries a a Tmo subsidy.
Nexus 5??? Obviously we can't tell from history.
If you see a pattern, let me know. All I see is Google feeling out the market still. I mean, they tried out WIMAX. If that doesn't say Google is open to trying different things, what does?
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I agree Google is not like Apple who usually waits on new technology, most of the time they are early adopters of new tech. LTE was first made available on an Android device, which hit the Galaxy Nexus that same year. Mobile VOIP is the future, as all carriers are looking to migrate their voice services to their 4G. MetroPCS was even looking to roll out VoLTE nationwide, which is only in limbo because of the T-Mobile merger. T-Mobile is already on record saying they plan to move Voice services to their 4G HSPA+ network so that is the real issue. Long story short that is the direction technology is moving, which is why carriers are scrambling to get there next generation networks online.
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I do foresee this:
Verizon will have to be sued before they truly follow the open access provision. I don't see any other way around it. Verizon is too self-righteous.
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Maybe but the FCC is already hitting them with fines, so I doubt the might have the balls to continue to be difficult.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/31/3207193/verizon-fcc-tethering-700mhz-open-access-fine
Slacker101 said:
Won't happen. Even with VoLTE people won't put up with not having signal if 4g isn't available. So Google most likely would never consider this an option. 4g coverage area just isn't good enough yet.
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Still subject to change obviously, but Verizon just announced this week that their LTE network will cover a little over 90% of the US by the end of next year so most people are going to have access to VoLTE by then at the latest. They pissed me off pretty bad with the GNex update, but I have to give them credit for the pace that they are rolling out LTE.
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This is good stuff! :good:
WiredPirate said:
Good read, thanks for posting. Although I do not see unlimited data coming back, especially if carriers do switch completely over to data phone calls.
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verizon wont ever allow unlocked devices and custom firmware... verizon has said they want to protect their network...
see this: http://androidcommunity.com/verizon-tells-the-fcc-that-locked-bootloaders-are-awesome-20120301/
Verizon justifies its official stance on locked bootloaders by claiming that it’s protecting “customer experience and support”: unlocked bootloaders, they argue, could cause problems for end-users, customer support staff and Verizon’s network in general. Repeating claims made at earlier points, Verizon stated that “unapproved software” could impact the wireless experience for other customers. Despite spectrum purchases from the US government in 2011, Verizon has no legal obligation to make the software on the devices it sells accessible to its customers – it only has to make access to the network available.
rezoundness said:
verizon wont ever allow unlocked devices and custom firmware... verizon has said they want to protect their network...
see this: http://androidcommunity.com/verizon-tells-the-fcc-that-locked-bootloaders-are-awesome-20120301/
Verizon justifies its official stance on locked bootloaders by claiming that it’s protecting “customer experience and support”: unlocked bootloaders, they argue, could cause problems for end-users, customer support staff and Verizon’s network in general. Repeating claims made at earlier points, Verizon stated that “unapproved software” could impact the wireless experience for other customers. Despite spectrum purchases from the US government in 2011, Verizon has no legal obligation to make the software on the devices it sells accessible to its customers – it only has to make access to the network available.
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Invalid argument.
Point in case:
Motorola dev phones that use Verizon.
Samsung dev phones that use Verizon.
Galaxy Nexus.
All examples have unlockable bootloaders. Don't believe what all these blogs preach.
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Invalid argument.
Point in case:
Motorola dev phones that use Verizon.
Samsung dev phones that use Verizon.
Galaxy Nexus.
All examples have unlockable bootloaders. Don't believe what all these blogs preach.
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Exactly, Verizon is not requiring OEM's to do anything, they are just encouraging them to lock down boot loaders, but in the end OEMS can do what ever they want. The other side of the issue is that developer edition phones will probably not be subsidized by Verizon as that is their choice.
But...Google sales their unlocked stuff at cost anyway out side of Verizon's grubby paws, so it doesn't really matter and Google will probably careless about what Verizon thinks and wants because they know Verizon's end game.
Pierceye said:
Still subject to change obviously, but Verizon just announced this week that their LTE network will cover a little over 90% of the US by the end of next year so most people are going to have access to VoLTE by then at the latest. They pissed me off pretty bad with the GNex update, but I have to give them credit for the pace that they are rolling out LTE.
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Actually Verizon announced that their LTE rollout will be complete by middle of next year covering their entire 3G area. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57547595-94/verizon-plans-to-complete-its-lte-rollout-by-mid-2013/
My question is this: when VoLTE rolls out across Verizon's network, will the Galaxy Nexus be able to use this? Because, if this will be possible, one could theoretically just run their phone off LTE by enabling an option in a custom rom. AOKP, the rom I'm currently using, has a setting for LTE only. Doing this, as far as I understand, would save a lot of battery by not having to be connected to the CDMA network for voice calls, and I would assume you could go as far as removing the CDMA radio from the phone. Having unlimited data I could see only good from this, although others with tiered plans might not be so welcome to this idea. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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My question is this: when VoLTE rolls out across Verizon's network, will the Galaxy Nexus be able to use this? Because, if this will be possible, one could theoretically just run their phone off LTE by enabling an option in a custom rom. AOKP, the rom I'm currently using, has a setting for LTE only. Doing this, as far as I understand, would save a lot of battery by not having to be connected to the CDMA network for voice calls, and I would assume you could go as far as removing the CDMA radio from the phone. Having unlimited data I could see only good from this, although others with tiered plans might not be so welcome to this idea. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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It should support VoLTE. It has the required IMS Framework. Unless using a custom rom and the dev was an idiot and removed it.
Missing one detail. Verizon has long term corporate goals of decommissioning the EvDo portion of the network, however the 1xAdvanced fallback will be here to stay for voice traffic on basic/feature phones and I wouldn't expect any smartphones to come without a CDMA radio for the purposes of common sense. It's been awhile since I've read about it in full degree, but CDMA will continue to live on.
The Goal is to let a L710 sim card compatible. (global capable)
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I installed a few verizon roms. I can change the network setting, but always get an error when i search for net works.
I only have 2 sim cards to test it out so I am not sure if there are bad sims. One is verizon LTE and onther is from an overseas gsm carrier tigo.
What more can I do with out bricking my phone?
I added some screen caps.
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I finally received the part from china. I installed it fairly easily. I did have to cut the back cover and pat of the metal plate from the reader.
Sd card works and reads fine. I only have have a verizon LTE and a tigo sim card to try it out So I am going to try flashing different roms soon, I am on Blazer. Nothing seems to happen when the verizon sim is inserted.
you are still be able to use sprint LTE, since the sprint sim is built into the main board and not the sd/sim reader.
Any have advise on how i can check if it know a sim card is inserted?
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I was searching ebay for parts and I found this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SIM-SD-Card...341?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2575c1e915
It should be as easy as unplugging the old one and plugging in the new one. You would also need to get a verizon back plate. But this phone is super easy to open and change parts, minus the screen.
You will lose LTE, unless there is some way to get a sim from sprint (the Iphone 5 has one).
Does anyone know a res eon this will not work? I plan on ordering one later today.
Thanks
ranchosteve said:
The Goal is to let a L710 sim card compatible.
I was searching ebay for parts and I found this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SIM-SD-Card...341?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2575c1e915
It should be as easy as unplugging the old one and plugging in the new one. You would also need to get a verizon back plate. But this phone is super easy to open and change parts, minus the screen.
You will lose LTE, unless there is some way to get a sim from sprint (the Iphone 5 has one).
Does anyone know a res eon this will not work? I plan on ordering one later today.
Thanks
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This seems pretty ambitious! I can't wait to see what develops
Quick question... Why?
Sprint LTE uses a different frequency than every other major carrier. You're not going to pop in an AT&T (or any other) card and use their LTE, and you'd still be tied to Sprint CDMA unless I'm mistaken.
NeoMatrixJR said:
Quick question... Why?
Sprint LTE uses a different frequency than every other major carrier. You're not going to pop in an AT&T (or any other) card and use their LTE, and you'd still be tied to Sprint CDMA unless I'm mistaken.
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I believe he stated his goal is to put a SIM slot in his s3. No where did he mention AT&T or using it for any other companies. He said he would need a Sprint SIM, and no others. He did say something about a Verizon backplate though
I believe you must have left the Matrix Neo, you're not on your toes
Edit: Oops, didn't see the "JR". You're still in training
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What is the point? Most carriers that use SIM cards(if not all) use GSM radios. This phone has CDMA radios, so it wont pick up the signal.
shiftr182 said:
What is the point? Most carriers that use SIM cards(if not all) use GSM radios. This phone has CDMA radios, so it wont pick up the signal.
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I can see it's pointless for most. But for those who travel and don't wanna pay sprint ridicules roaming rates, like me. It does have a cdma radio but the LTE part of the phone has gsm capabilities like the Verizon version.
It's more of proof of concept more than anything.
The Sprint SGSIII uses a RUIM that is hardwired to that board. A RUIM can do what a SIM can do as well as handle CDMA subscriber information. An early manual for the Sprint SGSIII showed instructions for SIM removal/installation, but it was changed before launch to be a non-removable component. Likely why the phone was delayed; they changed their minds on making it a fully-fledged World Phone in lieu of other models like the new Photon.
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its next to impossible to get a sim card for the iphone5...
The S3 would have to have another Radio hardware installed to be what you are talking about as in Travel.
That's one of the Cool features on my line 2, Motorola Photon.....World Phones is what they are called.....Sim cards most useful purpose is to move data from one phone to another, contacts etc..
I spent hours researching this as well, not to try and enable GSM for global roaming, but to maybe, possibly get LTE from Cricket working. I looked at a few pictures of the main board from Ebay auctions, and while I think it's possible to do what the OP is proposing, our main board is not the same as other GS3s. I'm no expert, but the components that are under the microSD and cover plate aren't the same, even compared to a Verizon board. On top of that, the embedded SIM card is located on the skinny side that runs up the side of the phone, next to the battery.
I can't say with certainty, since I haven't scoured every single thread on the subject, but I haven't seen anyone provide the ability to bypass the embedded SIM. Well, maybe they did when they hacked the Photon. As far as the radio goes, it would seem that flashing new radio firmware might work to get the radio operating at the right frequency. Again, I make no real claims on this, as I'm no expert. LOL But from the info I can find, the radios are the same, at least on the dual core variants across the board, and are controlled by firmware. So, in the OP's idea, this would be less than ideal, unless someone could write a custom radio version that would retain CDMA voice and EVDO data for Sprint, as well as pointing the LTE/GSM side to the appropriate frequency.
Looking at Sprint's Galaxy Note 2, the embedded SIM looks to actually be on the metal cover that houses its microSD slot, so at least that part of the equation seems like it would be easier to accomplish with that phone.
For my part, I figured that even if Cricket would allow me to buy an LTE SIM and attach it to my ESN in their system, it would still be a major pain to try and overcome the embedded SIM hurdle.
In closing, I hope that no one interprets my ramblings as me being negative. When I saw the Photon hacked, I quickly realized that it was well beyond my comfort zone seeing as I don't have the funds to replace my phone when (Not if!) I destroyed it! I'm sure that it could be possible, especially given the talent of a lot of the members of XDA. I just wanted to put in my 2 cents, and point out that there is a lot more involved than just plugging in a new component and popping in a SIM card. Hopefully people here will rip apart my thoughts and prove me wrong, as I am very interested in trying to convert my phone to use Cricket's LTE.
Why not just get a Verizon gs3 ?
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It works on the Photon? If I'm not mistaken that came with a dual freq radio I think.
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any updates?
why not just get a gsm gs3?
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illusionistpro said:
why not just get a gsm gs3?
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have you SEEN what S3's sell for ? yeah that's why hehehe
Jesus Christ fix the title of this thread already.
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how about a verizon gs3 port
would you think a verizon gs3 port to sprint gs3 will work being that phone is a world phone? i think it is..
a Sim toolkit is included in /system/app/
All you need i a launcher or an app that lets you create shortcuts to Activities, and you can then point it to the Sim Toolkit.
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Is there any way to use an unlocked tmobile s4 on verizon???? Can you flash a certain modem to make it work?
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No. GSM phones are incompatible with CDMA networks.
verizon
I have a stock sgh-m919 and I gave my imei to Verizon over the phone, they stated they could not use my phone on a prepaid plan, but I did not inquire about a contract plan. Visit a store and ask questions.
I realize Verizon is CDMA, but I have seen those radio ROMs somewhere to change the frequency of the radio. I think it would require more than that, perhaps even an imei change, I don't really know, I'm just going out on a limb here.
From what I understand Verizon does use the 700Mhz band like AT&T but they use a different portion of the band, the upper is what I read. Google 700Mhz LTE, I think that it will come up.
good luck, let me know how that turns out.
Also, my mother has a Iphone 4S on Verizon and although I don't really like apple products, I do know that it has a sim card slot, so that taken into consideration, perhaps there is hope.
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I have a stock sgh-m919 and I gave my imei to Verizon over the phone, they stated they could not use my phone on a prepaid plan, but I did not inquire about a contract plan. Visit a store and ask questions.
I realize Verizon is CDMA, but I have seen those radio ROMs somewhere to change the frequency of the radio. I think it would require more than that, perhaps even an imei change, I don't really know, I'm just going out on a limb here.
From what I understand Verizon does use the 700Mhz band like AT&T but they use a different portion of the band, the upper is what I read. Google 700Mhz LTE, I think that it will come up.
good luck, let me know how that turns out.
Also, my mother has a Iphone 4S on Verizon and although I don't really like apple products, I do know that it has a sim card slot, so that taken into consideration, perhaps there is hope.
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A Verizon model will work on T-Mobile, just not the other way around :/
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Is there any way to use an unlocked tmobile s4 on verizon???? Can you flash a certain modem to make it work?
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Well I've been traveling for a while now with T-Mobile service with my T-Mobile s4 *cough* *unlocked* *cough*, and it does pick up Verizon service and I am able to call and text due to the agreements the carriers have. So I don't see why not. And as to activating any phone on Verizon prepaid, you can't .only have the options they have.
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I've been wanting into the oneplus ecosystem of insanely good development for awhile, but unfortunately am stuck with Verizon in my area. Any chance this will be the phone that supports Verizon bands?
Unfortuately, the leak shows no band 13: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/how-to/oneplus-5t-leak-t3703244
You can read more if you like as to what that means as that was the same with OnePlus 5: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5/help/verizon-compatibility-t3623695
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I've been wanting into the oneplus ecosystem of insanely good development for awhile, but unfortunately am stuck with Verizon in my area. Any chance this will be the phone that supports Verizon bands?
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You can really give up on version support. CDMA is a hard area to get into as most of the phone functions are not open source and licensing is always an issue. Will just have to wait for Version to get off of the old standard and use something that isnt 50 years old.
I was looking at this but in same boat with Verizon.. pulled trigger on the PH-1.. cant beat it for the price
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You can really give up on version support. CDMA is a hard area to get into as most of the phone functions are not open source and licensing is always an issue. Will just have to wait for Version to get off of the old standard and use something that isnt 50 years old.
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Licensing of CDMA is a trivial issue, many unlocked phones are now offering it including VERY inexpensive phones from Motorola.
For many of us Verizon is a requirement, not an option. It's the only carrier I can use that doesn't constantly lose LTE service. So in a way, their LTE network is more advanced, more built out. All of my voice and data traffic travels over LTE on Verizon 99%+ of the time.
Glad to have CDMA as a backup plan, even though my phone hasn't fallen back to CDMA in a long time. It does sometimes in the mountains where only 1.228 MHz CDMA slices work well. Verizon will get rid of it when the world is ready, there's nothing technically stopping them today, they would just lose some of their coverage advantage.
Was interested in the OnePlus 5T, but will happily keep using my Pixel 2 so that my phone actually has service where I live and travel. Where Verizon uses "50 year old technology," other carriers often has no service at all.
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Licensing of CDMA is a trivial issue, many unlocked phones are now offering it including VERY inexpensive phones from Motorola.
For many of us Verizon is a requirement, not an option. It's the only carrier I can use that doesn't constantly lose LTE service. So in a way, their LTE network is more advanced, more built out. All of my voice and data traffic travels over LTE on Verizon 99%+ of the time.
Glad to have CDMA as a backup plan, even though my phone hasn't fallen back to CDMA in a long time. It does sometimes in the mountains where only 1.228 MHz CDMA slices work well. Verizon will get rid of it when the world is ready, there's nothing technically stopping them today, they would just lose some of their coverage advantage.
Was interested in the OnePlus 5T, but will happily keep using my Pixel 2 so that my phone actually has service where I live and travel. Where Verizon uses "50 year old technology," other carriers often has no service at all.
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A trivial thing yet soo many dont or cant do it. You also have to remember that CDMA is only used by Verizon and sprint along with a few smaller carriers. The rest of the world uses GSM.
That is already starting with them working with ATT to build new towers.
I could say the same for where I live. Here ATT is your only option. Nothing else works here.
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A trivial thing yet soo many dont or cant do it. You also have to remember that CDMA is only used by Verizon and sprint along with a few smaller carriers. The rest of the world uses GSM.
That is already starting with them working with ATT to build new towers.
I could say the same for where I live. Here ATT is your only option. Nothing else works here.
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Fair enough, every location is different. I just think phone manufacturers choosing to omit CDMA is more a numbers game than complexity. The Snapdragon chips/modems support it, antenna tuning is not an issue since the phones already run on those bands, etc. If Motorola can ship a $99 unlocked unsubsidized non-prepaid phone with CDMA, surely OnePlus could have put it in the 5T. Perhaps it would have been $519, though, and they wanted to hit that $499 price point. Who knows.
Isn't the Tillman deal just adding another lease operator similar to American Towers and Crown Castle? Most towers in our area are owned by those two with multiple operators on them, though we have a ton of Verizon micro cells in town that are seemingly build directly by Verizon. Outside of town there seem to be a lot of towers with JUST Verizon or AT&T on them, and that's where the coverage differences really start. Will the Tillman towers be LTE-only?
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Fair enough, every location is different. I just think phone manufacturers choosing to omit CDMA is more a numbers game than complexity. The Snapdragon chips/modems support it, antenna tuning is not an issue since the phones already run on those bands, etc. If Motorola can ship a $99 unlocked unsubsidized non-prepaid phone with CDMA, surely OnePlus could have put it in the 5T. Perhaps it would have been $519, though, and they wanted to hit that $499 price point. Who knows.
Isn't the Tillman deal just adding another lease operator similar to American Towers and Crown Castle? Most towers in our area are owned by those two with multiple operators on them, though we have a ton of Verizon micro cells in town that are seemingly build directly by Verizon. Outside of town there seem to be a lot of towers with JUST Verizon or AT&T on them, and that's where the coverage differences really start. Will the Tillman towers be LTE-only?
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Eventually yes. LTE is the next step. This is why Verizon has been using LTE Sim cards for the past few years. They are slowly having to convert as CDMA tech is just too old and limited for the direction of mobile connections.
Motorola has a stake in doing it. China also uses a few old CDMA setups. They also have the money to pay the licensing and what ever price Verizon charges to test the device and work with them for putting the needed software on it. Remember the base phone functions for CDMA tech us not open source. Not even in Android.
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Eventually yes. LTE is the next step. This is why Verizon has been using LTE Sim cards for the past few years. They are slowly having to convert as CDMA tech is just too old and limited for the direction of mobile connections.
Motorola has a stake in doing it. China also uses a few old CDMA setups. They also have the money to pay the licensing and what ever price Verizon charges to test the device and work with them for putting the needed software on it. Remember the base phone functions for CDMA tech us not open source. Not even in Android.
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Ahh yeah, I forget about the Verizon testing/certification fees. Was interesting that Essential released the phone before Verizon approved it (of course they paid the Qualcomm royalties, though), and then said later that it was certified to run on Verizon. People already were using them, but not using Verizon's official provisioning page that fixes Visual Voicemail and such upon activation, so there were quirks. Considering this, I suppose it would be quite a pain for OnePlus to go through the Verizon testing/certification for a relatively small amount of customers on the world stage.
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You can really give up on version support. CDMA is a hard area to get into as most of the phone functions are not open source and licensing is always an issue. Will just have to wait for Version to get off of the old standard and use something that isnt 50 years old.
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Poor effort...if essential can manage to do it while being a way smaller company OP can do it especially when their owner is Oppo.
The fact is they don't want to..for whatever reason..it's not about money, they have it..it's not about time, they have had it. So let's stop with those excuses.
From Pete Lau:
As for our carriers, OnePlus will partner "if we can find the right fit," according to Lau, who suggested that OnePlus fans on Verizon reach out to their carrier to get Verizon "to come to us."
"If we can keep creating good products and getting a lot of positive word of mouth from our users, and have the users push Verizon to come to us, that will make things a lot easier," he said.
Source: http://uk.pcmag.com/oneplus-5t/92062/news/pete-lau-wants-you-to-trust-oneplus
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Unfortuately, the leak shows no band 13: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/how-to/oneplus-5t-leak-t3703244
You can read more if you like as to what that means as that was the same with OnePlus 5: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5/help/verizon-compatibility-t3623695
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I'm not sure where you live exactly but I was on Verizon for over 10 years and finally dumped them so I could get the oneplus 5. I switched to cricket which uses AT&T's network and I get at least 99% of the coverage I did before.
Unless you are truly in the sticks I bet a GSM network would work fine for you. I live in North Dakota so believe me when I say we are not the first to get new cell technologies by any means.
I sold y oneplus 5 while watching the launch event and am now patiently waiting for tomorrow so I can order the 5T.
With Verizon's LTE network being to a mature state I find myself on CDMA MAYBE once every six months. Could this be used on Verizon as an LTE only device if you already have an active sim? Also, I see band 13 is not supported, is this not supported in the hardware or is the band support there and it is just disabled currently? If the latter is the case is there any chance it could be enabled by devs in the future? Really liking and wanting this phone but work pays for my service and only offer Verizon and I'm cheap and don't want to buy a plan just to get the phone. Thanks for anyone shedding some light on this.
I ordered this not knowing it was not fully compatible with VZW's network. It's a shame as this thing looks like a beast. I just cancelled my order.
Oh well, I have too many phones anyway.
Yesterday I said "screw it" and reordered the 5T. I got a plan with T-Mobile. If I can get good signal, I'll switch as all our other phones over since T-Mobile is much cheaper than VZW.
Just to clarify - does voice and sms work on Verizon? I'm on T-Mobile and one of the places I visit has Verizon coverage not T-Mobile. I carry a payg phone for those visits. Don't need data just the ability for people to reach me. Be nice if I could use my 5T for that.
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Just to clarify - does voice and sms work on Verizon? I'm on T-Mobile and one of the places I visit has Verizon coverage not T-Mobile. I carry a payg phone for those visits. Don't need data just the ability for people to reach me. Be nice if I could use my 5T for that.
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Tolax
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Voice does work. It does through 1x and you will get 3g most of the time. Not sure about MMS or SMS though.
This is likely a stupid question but I'm wondering since its a dual SIM if you can have a T-Mobile and a VZW SIM installed? Would that allow voice for VZW?
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This is likely a stupid question but I'm wondering since its a dual SIM if you can have a T-Mobile and a VZW SIM installed? Would that allow voice for VZW?
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Not stupid, and yes it does. I had a Tmobs and VZW SIM in a Oneplus 5 and it worked well together. But the VZW service is very poor.
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