OK, I am about to make the switch from iPhone to SGS3 as soon as they become available in the US.
My main concern right now is getting the audio to play through my current truck stereo deck (JVC KD-DV6200). Right now, I am using the Apple AV adapter that goes from the dock connector to composite (Red/white/yellow) and USB. This way, the phone charges while playing my tunes.
What are my options for keeping this same functionality. I want to be able to go from the microUSB to the composite (red/white) ports of the deck and also be able to charge the phone at the same time.
I am wanting to stay away from using the headphone jack as this usually results in some sort of hissing or humming interference.
I appreciate any info you can give. I'm simply trying to compile info so I can have things together when I finally jump ship.
the_buzz_man
You can get HDMI, VGA and DVI MHL adapters but not composite, and the S3 uses a new type of MHL cable so for now i think you can only find HDMI.
Other option would be to build your own cable, for more information check following links:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1395173&page=2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=820275
Is it because this is such a new device that it is hard to find such a cable?
I have been very excited about dumping my iDevice and going Google but I must admit that this worries me somewhat. To me, a cable like this should be a basic accessory and should be readily available. Maybe I just got spoiled to that Apple AV cable.
I'm not trying to start a rant or anything, nor am I trying to dog android or apple. I'm just hoping that I missed something and that it will show up.
I'm still excited and anxious about trimming that apple tree.
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Not to point out the obvious... but a single cable will not accomplish that. The micro USB is a digital port, not an analog port like the RCA jack inputs are on your stereo. So in order to convert the audio from the usb on the phone, it will need to go through a converter box to convert the signal.
You're pretty much better off just doing the headphone jack even though you dont want to. You could upgrade your stereo to one that does bluetooth streaming for cheaper than it would cost to get a converter.
Something like this *might* work... but I cannot guarantee it
http://www.amazon.com/Audio-REC2PC-Stereo-RCA-Cable/dp/B003R7KSYG
You would just need a standard USB to Micro USB adapter and hope it works.
coreyzw said:
Not to point out the obvious... but a single cable will not accomplish that. The micro USB is a digital port, not an analog port like the RCA jack inputs are on your stereo. So in order to convert the audio from the usb on the phone, it will need to go through a converter box to convert the signal.
You're pretty much better off just doing the headphone jack even though you dont want to. You could upgrade your stereo to one that does bluetooth streaming for cheaper than it would cost to get a converter.
Something like this *might* work... but I cannot guarantee it
http://www.amazon.com/Audio-REC2PC-Stereo-RCA-Cable/dp/B003R7KSYG
You would just need a standard USB to Micro USB adapter and hope it works.
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Uh, apparently, it will. Granted, I don't know if it works w/ the GS3 (who knows what they flipped given the whole MHL adapter fiasco) but my guess is this is all generic android. Looking at the links posted above, it is possible to make a cable that will put the phone into home/car dock mode using resistors where the audio is then output via usb. I guess the sound isn't amplified so it sounds crummy w/o an amplifier, but if it's going out to a car preamp, it should be fine. When you think about it, this is how the docks work, sans the actual dock. I'm going to try to make this cable later as it doesn't look too hard.
I'm kinda sick of having to plug in two cables (w/ the GS3, it's one on top and one on the bottom which would be very awkward) and was debating whether to pursue a bluetooth solution, but this would work nicely.
This may not be the most attractive solution, but you can simply charge the phone with a car lighter plug and output the music through the headphone jack to the RCA cables. That type of cable certainly exists.
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Uh, apparently, it will. Granted, I don't know if it works w/ the GS3 (who knows what they flipped given the whole MHL adapter fiasco) but my guess is this is all generic android. Looking at the links posted above, it is possible to make a cable that will put the phone into home/car dock mode using resistors where the audio is then output via usb. I guess the sound isn't amplified so it sounds crummy w/o an amplifier, but if it's going out to a car preamp, it should be fine. When you think about it, this is how the docks work, sans the actual dock. I'm going to try to make this cable later as it doesn't look too hard.
I'm kinda sick of having to plug in two cables (w/ the GS3, it's one on top and one on the bottom which would be very awkward) and was debating whether to pursue a bluetooth solution, but this would work nicely.
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**** it... good luck
wouldn't the desktop dock work? Just mount that or put that somewhere in your truck, get a 3.5mm to rca cable, use cigarette lighter charger, then plug both the charger and 3.5mm into the back of the dock and then all you have to do is set your phone on that every time and you're good to go...
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wouldn't the desktop dock work? Just mount that or put that somewhere in your truck, get a 3.5mm to rca cable, use cigarette lighter charger, then plug both the charger and 3.5mm into the back of the dock and then all you have to do is set your phone on that every time and you're good to go...
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This is what I suggested above but with the dock is a much cleaner solution.
viskey said:
wouldn't the desktop dock work? Just mount that or put that somewhere in your truck, get a 3.5mm to rca cable, use cigarette lighter charger, then plug both the charger and 3.5mm into the back of the dock and then all you have to do is set your phone on that every time and you're good to go...
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That is one strong possibility. The only problem I foresee is how the dock will work with the phone if it is in a case. I have always kept my phones in an Otterbox defender case, and you know how hard it is to find a dock that will hold this much less lock into a usb port too. I may have to look into getting a different case that can come off easy.
Then again, maybe I will have to check into making my own cable. Most of the cable will be tucked into the dash somewhere so the aesthetics are not that important.
Will have to start doing some searching on pinouts and designs soon.
the_buzz_man
the_buzz_man said:
That is one strong possibility. The only problem I foresee is how the dock will work with the phone if it is in a case. I have always kept my phones in an Otterbox defender case, and you know how hard it is to find a dock that will hold this much less lock into a usb port too. I may have to look into getting a different case that can come off easy.
Then again, maybe I will have to check into making my own cable. Most of the cable will be tucked into the dash somewhere so the aesthetics are not that important.
Will have to start doing some searching on pinouts and designs soon.
the_buzz_man
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There's a diagram in the post above. Essentially, the 365k resister on the ID pin launches it into dock mode, one is ground, one is to charge, and the other are left and right out. It doesn't look at all complicated. I'm going to make one later to see if it will work with my vibrant. Once I get my S3, hopefully it will still work. Then there's just the matter of making it look non-ghetto. You'd want to avoid electrical tape because the adhesive will probably melt in the car.
From reading those posts, it doesn't seem like it would be difficult at all to make this cable/adapter. Now, with the change they made to the MHL to HDMI adapter, I wonder if it changes the pinouts and the needed resistors for the S3.
I will be patiently awaiting some input/feedback from S3 owners that attempt this.
the_buzz_man
the_buzz_man said:
That is one strong possibility. The only problem I foresee is how the dock will work with the phone if it is in a case. I have always kept my phones in an Otterbox defender case, and you know how hard it is to find a dock that will hold this much less lock into a usb port too. I may have to look into getting a different case that can come off easy.
Then again, maybe I will have to check into making my own cable. Most of the cable will be tucked into the dash somewhere so the aesthetics are not that important.
Will have to start doing some searching on pinouts and designs soon.
the_buzz_man
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You could always get a microusb extension but then that dock would have to be hidden somewhere or something.
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1) The Samsung EPL-3FHU adapter for Galaxy S3. Has 11-pin MHL input from phone, 5-pin micro-USB input from charger, and HDMI output toward display.
2) Standard micro-USB to USB cable from #1 to #3 (charger).
3) Griffin dual USB car charger.
4) Standard HDMI cable.
5) ViewHD Universal HDMI to Composite / AV Video Converter with HDMI input, optional (unnecessary) mini-USB power input, and composite A/V output to car display inputs.
6) Standard composite A/V cable.
7) The composite A/V inputs in my armrest. All gear above (#1-6) will be in my armrest, including #1, the MHL adapter.
8) Location of my phone - it fits perfectly in the ashtray opening when the ashtray door is open. I'll run a cable under the center console and out through the ashtray opening so that I can plug it in to my phone. The cable I need for this is number 10.
9) The phone, a Samsung Galaxy S III with its 11-pin MHL/micro-USB port.
10) This is the piece I don't have, can't find, and don't think I can make or re-create. I need it to be 11-pin micro-USB female on one end to plug into #1 above, and 11-pin micro-USB male on the other to plug into the phone. I think I need it to support the 11-pin Samsung micro-USB MHL pinouts (shown in macro/detail above) in order to pass both the audio/video and USB charging over the same cable. I might have to try the 5-pin flavors of MHL adapter (plus 5-to-11-pin adapter) and standard micro-USB cable to see if it works.
Any thoughts?
I would just splice into the mhl 11 pin cable and extend it as needed.
I've got a galaxy s3 but no mhl cable yet. Waiting for the price to drop a little...
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futaris said:
I would just splice into the mhl 11 pin cable and extend it as needed.
I've got a galaxy s3 but no mhl cable yet. Waiting for the price to drop a little...
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Hi futaris - thanks for the reply. The problem I have with that is two-fold. One, the actual 11-pin micro-USB section of the MHL adapter is very short, and doesn't leave a lot of room to actually snip wires, pull back insulation, and solder on an extension (to all 11 wires). Also, it's a one-shot deal with that option. If something goes wrong I'm out of $40 USD. That's why I was mainly avoiding using that method. If I use the 11-pin to 5-pin adapter tip, which functionality would I lose (charging, video, audio)? I don't need USB OTG in the car. That may be a better bet here.
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Hi futaris - thanks for the reply. The problem I have with that is two-fold. One, the actual 11-pin micro-USB section of the MHL adapter is very short, and doesn't leave a lot of room to actually snip wires, pull back insulation, and solder on an extension (to all 11 wires). Also, it's a one-shot deal with that option. If something goes wrong I'm out of $40 USD. That's why I was mainly avoiding using that method. If I use the 11-pin to 5-pin adapter tip, which functionality would I lose (charging, video, audio)? I don't need USB OTG in the car. That may be a better bet here.
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The 5 pin adapter doesn't cost you any HDMI functionality or charging. It only costs you USB OTG that I know of.
thacounty said:
The 5 pin adapter doesn't cost you any HDMI functionality or charging. It only costs you USB OTG that I know of.
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Ok, so I tried the older 5-pin MHL adapter with the 11-pin to 5-pin adapter tip and it works. However, when I tried to use a standard micro-USB female to male extension cable (www .amazon.com/Micro-B-Female-Extension-Manhattan-307420/dp/B007TLEDTW), it wouldn't pass any video or audio. Are the pinouts from the 11-to-5-pin tip different than a standard micro-USB cable? Can anyone think of another way to allow me to place the MHL adapter further away (maybe 5ft) from the phone itself? Has anyone tried one of these along with the 11-to-5-pin adapter for the S3? www .amazon.com/gp/product/B006V7F380
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Ok, so I tried the older 5-pin MHL adapter with the 11-pin to 5-pin adapter tip and it works. However, when I tried to use a standard micro-USB female to male extension cable (www .amazon.com/Micro-B-Female-Extension-Manhattan-307420/dp/B007TLEDTW), it wouldn't pass any video or audio. Are the pinouts from the 11-to-5-pin tip different than a standard micro-USB cable? Can anyone think of another way to allow me to place the MHL adapter further away (maybe 5ft) from the phone itself? Has anyone tried one of these along with the 11-to-5-pin adapter for the S3? www .amazon.com/gp/product/B006V7F380
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I have heard that you can't extend USB very far, but I have no data to back that up. How about a longer HDMI cable instead?
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Has anyone ever come across a male to female ExtUSB extension lead?
Google and ebay throughs up nothing. Perhaps someone knows of a company (UK ideally) that makes bespoke USB cables? I think I'm going out on a limb with this one.
First, I dont have any exact solution for your problem, but I'm wondering, why are you looking for that?
If you were to do an extension on the data cable, you can get yourself a standard USB extension lead, and have the data cable extended.
If you were to do an extention on the audio cable, you can get those extUSB-to-3.5/2.5mm audio-jack and get a standard audio cable/earphone for the job.
UPDATE: Ok, I see what you are trying to do in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=342382
Can you elaborate the 3-in-1 thing you mentioned there? it is just a splitter/hub, which uses extUSB for all?
Great investigative work Hanmin. As you saw the objective is a car 'install' with one wire leading to the device (kaiser), and the 3-in-1 adtaper hidden away. So the extension needs to be about 1meter and carry the HTC ExtUSB spec of power and audio signal (hands free doesn't matter to me though).
In actual fact, a 3-in-1 adapter with a 20cm lead would be sufficient, but none of them seem to be longer than 5cm.
The extension can be found here. Or image attached.
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Anyone come up with an EXTUSB extension cable? I'd really like to have just one cable coming out of the phone when in the car, and keep the splitters tucked away neatly behind the dashboard.
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Anyone come up with an EXTUSB extension cable? I'd really like to have just one cable coming out of the phone when in the car, and keep the splitters tucked away neatly behind the dashboard.
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See the first link in post#3... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293357
I just ordered two of them, but haven't received them yet. They emailed that they shipped from Honk Kong the next day. however!
Hope this might work for you!
***UPDATE*** I just received the cables today (1/4/08). Just what the doctor ordered! I use it with the Motorola Mini-USB "Y" adapter SKN6222A to power both my phone and a bluetooth GPS head from the same power plug. The extension lets me keep the phone mounted on a dash vent and the GPS on the top of the dashboard.
Posted in the thread linked above as to why that doesnt work for me, anyone come up with a way to extend the 11pin extusb? Im crap with a soldering iron, but if it comes to it...
Im in the exact same boat as the OP, have the 3 in 1 and it looks horrible with the 3 cables dangling out of it, want it hidden behind the dash.
Again, not exactly what you are looking for but maybe of use. The Brodit HTC Touch Pro Holder with 3-in-1 Adapter (http://www.expansys-usa.com/p.aspx?i=173938) is a mount with an included 15cm extUSB to 3 port adapter. Not sure if the 40cm cable is long enough, but it could be taken off of the mount i would think. A bit of a waste to have to buy a mount just to get a cable, but might be your best option.
I don't understand why no-one has made an extUSB extension cable or a longer extUSB to 3 port cable.
german company sells the plugs, so you could make your own cable...
wanna order a few and let us know how it turns out?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2973835
German custom usb cable assembly
foaf said:
Has anyone ever come across a male to female ExtUSB extension lead?
Google and ebay throughs up nothing. Perhaps someone knows of a company (UK ideally) that makes bespoke USB cables? I think I'm going out on a limb with this one.
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See posts:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2973835#post2973835
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3033031#post3033031
Hey all. I resell ProClip products and have been trying to help out some customers with solutions for their Hero in the car. Looks like no one has any stock solutions for a longer cable to create a cleaner install outside of buying one of these:
ww_w._proclipusa.com/image.aspx/media/images/products/devicecradle/843773.jpg-225x
(sorry. can't post links yet. how do I go about getting verified?)
and disassembling the cable. So who'd be interesting in buying that 15.75" cable separately? I'm working on getting them to sell the cable separately. That'll be the first solution for HTC owners. My second attempt is getting them to make an adjustable holder for HTC phones and see if they can make the height of the connector adjustable. Since they'll never make that kind of cradle for all HTC phones, at least they can cover all their bases with that type of cradle.
Let me know if anyone has interest, and I can keep you posted.
Ryan
i will be keen on the extension cable! I have the same problem as trying to hide the fm transmitter and also an adaptor (to charge the fmtalk & phone at the same time...) in the car.
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I would love to buy an extension cable
I did a search and didn't see anything about this, so I'll post my question.
Has anyone gotten this to work? I plugged in my a/v cable (3.5mm to RCA) into the adapter that came with the TP2, and it into the TP2 usb port, then connected the RCA ends to my TV and when I tried to start the TV out under settings, it said I needed the TV Out cable.
I couldn't find anything in the provided documentation about this (surprise). I don't have the HTC cable, nor do I have the iphone/ipod cable, but I can't believe that this one would be any different from the icrap one, it's a freaking standard.
Any one?
The video out is actually the usb port. You need to buy a cable that is usb to composite
If your cable is iPod compatible, you should be able to install this get TV Out to work.
this is what i bought and it works great with my sprint tp2 http://www.expansys-usa.com/d.aspx?i=179148
I dont understand what you mean by iPod compatible?
Dont I need HTC's special USB video cable? Does anybody have a wireing schematic on that so I can make one? I have a million 3.5mm to rca cables lying around but that wont work...
MustangChris04 said:
I dont understand what you mean by iPod compatible?
Dont I need HTC's special USB video cable? Does anybody have a wireing schematic on that so I can make one? I have a million 3.5mm to rca cables lying around but that wont work...
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From my understanding (my tilt2 hasn't come yet, so I can't confirm) you should have an adapter that comes with your device that converts the ext-USB into a 3.5 mm headphone jack. You can plug an HTC 3.5mm to RCA cable in that jack, or put an iPod compatible RCA cable (uses the same pinouts as HTC's cable and is essentially identical, but cheaper) and change HKLM\Software\HTC\H2W\TVOutCableIn to "1" in the registry in order to get it working. The software I linked to should do this automatically, so you don't have to do that each time. However, I don't know if this works on the TP2 since I don't have mine yet.
My touch pro 2 didnt come with that. I actually have a usb jack, and a 3.5mm headphone jack on the bottom. It is the Verizon version.
Ok, I followed the instructions on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CLPjcImHAg&feature=fvw
I did both reg hack changing 0 to 1, as well as trying the icon under settings. The reg hack did bring up the screen, but nothing was outputted to the TV. I can't believe my 3.5mm -> RCA cable is any different than an "ipod compatible" one, it has the 4 bands on the 3.5mm jack and 3 RCAs for audio (l/r) and video. Is there something I'm missing? I don't want to buy the HTC usb/rca cable, and would be pretty upset if I got it and it still didn't work.
i tried it with my camcorder cable and the extusb adapter supplied with my phone. no luck. my camcorder cable only has 3 bands. does this make a difference? i have literally hundreds of cables. i'll have to search and try out a few others. or i'll just buy the official one on ebay if necessary.
I attempted this tonite. Did not work.
Sprint TP2
Apple iBook AV cable - 3.5mm -> 3way RCA yel, red, white
HTC EXTusb adapter.
tried 2 different cabs (enabletvout.cab and nuetvout-102-v1) as well as just changing the reg value to 1.
tried changing around the rca cables to the video input on tv..
I was able to get the tv out options to display on the phone, but NOTHING ever went out to the TV.
I hear people are having success with the oficial HTC tp2 tv out cable, which is a miniUSB -> 3 way rca.
Any success using the 3.5mm jack on a sprint tp2 ?
I had some luck with a cable I had but found that I needed to use the Red RCA as my video and the Yellow and White as audio.
JudgeDredd67 said:
I had some luck with a cable I had but found that I needed to use the Red RCA as my video and the Yellow and White as audio.
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i was all excited but that didnt work for me.
I had to purchase the extusb to av jack like this one.
AV Cable Works great.
You don't need to install the TV out cab. It will auto pop up when the cable is inserted. Most roms have this built in. The Tilt 2 stock rom does.
I used the original HTC OEM multi adapter with my 3.5mm RCA cable after prying it open and cutting the blue cable, which enables Tv out on my Tilt 2, but disables headphone use which is why im putting a switch in there.
well, I purchased the USB to video output cable and it workd fine.. HOWEVER only certain program work.. for instance, I wanted to see if I could watch sprint TV using the TV out and it tells me it can not run wth tv out. is there any way to do this??
Do a search on PPCGeeks.com forums for "How did you get the tv out/video out to work on the touch pro 2." I had to remove/cut the blue wire from the multi-adapter which came w/ my TP2. Hook up a standard 3.5mm jack to composite cable that came with my camcorder. Then I was able to get audio and video working on my 47" TV. No other software was required. The only thing is, you have to swap the yellow cable with the red. Red now provides the video signal. Otherwise, everything else works great.
Credit goes to the original poster in PPCGeeks.com. I would have provided a link to the instructions, but since I'm still new on this site, my posting privileges are still limited. Good luck everyone. I hope this was the answer you were looking for.
What are we all talking about? on my TP2 (SPRINT) I bought a cable for video and audio output that has USB on one end and RCA plugs on the other end. I just plug it into the USB port of the TP2 and hook up the RCA to my TV. It also has a port for plugging in the charger while the video out cable is plugged it...
dahauss said:
What are we all talking about? on my TP2 (SPRINT) I bought a cable for video and audio output that has USB on one end and RCA plugs on the other end. I just plug it into the USB port of the TP2 and hook up the RCA to my TV. It also has a port for plugging in the charger while the video out cable is plugged it...
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This is another option for those who do not wish to purchase the $20 - $25 USB to composite cables for the video outputs. Most of us received the USB multi-port device with our TP2. But by just cutting the blue wire from that device, you can have video output with a standard 3.5mm to composite cable (Red, white, yellow). Some of us may have this cable lying around the house. It usually comes with camcorders. If not, many places sell these standard cables for about $2 to $5. It's just information for those who wish to spend as little money as possible. That's all. Good luck.
All the video cables I find have the regular mini usb data cable port and not the different HTC mini usb port. Are there video cables with the HTC usb port?
To clarify, the part that plugs into the phone is the HTC plug, but the plug for the charger midway down the cable is the plug I'm referring to. Where can I find one with the HTC usb plug instead of the mini usb?
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This is another option for those who do not wish to purchase the $20 - $25 USB to composite cables for the video outputs. Most of us received the USB multi-port device with our TP2. But by just cutting the blue wire from that device, you can have video output with a standard 3.5mm to composite cable (Red, white, yellow). Some of us may have this cable lying around the house. It usually comes with camcorders. If not, many places sell these standard cables for about $2 to $5. It's just information for those who wish to spend as little money as possible. That's all. Good luck.
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I cannot find a USB to composite cable anywhere on the net. I don't think that it would even work with the TP2 video out capabilities.
I just got done modding my dock for USB. I know a number of people have already done this, but I did it slightly differently.
First, since I don't care about reversing this mod, I removed the speaker jack from the pcb. This way, I could use the factory hole for my usb cable.
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Next, I de-soldered the existing USB pins from the pcb, and used a crimper to attach them to my new usb cable. The tabs on the pins (that hold them in place inside the white shell) are the perfect shape for crimping. So the pins become crimped splices. (You generally get a more durable connection with crimping than soldering, so I like this approach.)
And here's the finished product:
Slightly more detail can be found here: Adding USB to a Xoom dock
-Jim
BeagleBoy said:
I just got done modding my dock for USB. I know a number of people have already done this, but I did it slightly differently.
First, since I don't care about reversing this mod, I removed the speaker jack from the pcb. This way, I could use the factory hole for my usb cable.
Next, I de-soldered the existing USB pins from the pcb, and used a crimper to attach them to my new usb cable. The tabs on the pins (that hold them in place inside the white shell) are the perfect shape for crimping. So the pins become crimped splices. (You generally get a more durable connection with crimping than soldering, so I like this approach.)
And here's the finished product:
Slightly more detail can be found here: Adding USB to a Xoom dock
-Jim
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This is great for productivity related activities. A nice addition. How simple is it for the non-mechanically inclined? Or, better yet, can I pay you to make me one? Cost of dock, mod and shipping?
I did something similiar, but instead put a USB connector on the base. It looks nicer than it really is. The hole I cut was a bit too big so I filled it with hot glue and then put black electrical tape to make it look nice. Also the USB connector is purposely not flush with the housing as I have a 4G dongle that I plug in and I wanted room for it to stand straight up.
Oh and like you I no longer have audio out. Not a big deal as you can still use the headphone jack and I use BT to connect my audio.
Probably the best way to do it would be to mount a Mirco-AB socket in the back of the dock. Then you'd have the best of both worlds: you could plug a standard cable into the dock, and connect it to your pc; or you could plug in a OTG cable, and use it in host-mode.
I might try that with my second dock (that I have at work).
-Jim
Pity Motorola didn't release one with it in the first place
When I started the project I thought about putting both a micro-usb and the full-sized USB host connector with a switch to toggle between the two. Honestly though I hardly ever use the micro-usb to connect to my computer. I either use WiFi or simply plug a microsd into my laptop to transfer large files. So I gave up on that idea.
I am thinking about putting a small USB hub inside so I can have two or three USB host ports. I am thinking of USB 4G dongle, hard drive and possibly mouse/keyboard. If I can get that to work I also thought about tearing apart the USB-Ethernet dongle I have and putting an ethernet port on it as well. Maybe I just need to put all of that in a nice black box that could sit under the dock since I am running out of space on the back.
I've been thinking about converting my Droid X home dock into a Xoom dock lately. Looking at the USB/HDMI spacing on it I don't see why it wouldn't work. The only downfall of course would be needing to fit this into something more stable than the DX dock and then the lack of power to it. I've read some horror stories with docks and connector pins though so that might not be to huge an issue.
Anybody gone down this road?
The xoom only charges via the barrel connector or the surface pins. So any dock that has a USB connection that lines up would be fine for USB, but you won't be able to charge a xoom on any dock not designed for it.
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Just finished my micro USB add on.
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Getting the audio AND other USB ports
Re huckfin's idea of a usb hub in the xoom dock, does that mean you could connect one of the hubs o/p ports back to the xoom pcb and get the audio back, as well being able to use the other hub outputs for other functions at the same time?
aitken88 said:
Re huckfin's idea of a usb hub in the xoom dock, does that mean you could connect one of the hubs o/p ports back to the xoom pcb and get the audio back, as well being able to use the other hub outputs for other functions at the same time?
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I do not think so. There is only one connection to the Xoom and I think it can only do one or the other. I am guessing the yellow wire tells the Xoom to configure the port for audio instead of data. The idea behind adding a USB HUB was so I could plug multiple items into my dock, such as mouse, keyboard, hard drive and 4G dongle. I get all of my audio over bluetooth so the USB port was well worth the sacrifice.
Hello,
From what I read, there are only 4 cables on a standard usb (5 for the mini usb), and on the picture I see 6 cables. Could you explain which cable is to connect to which cable and what are you doing with the cables that are not connected?
Thanks
Thanks HuckFinn it is a pity that would not work.
Maybe ICS will give us a proper USB port!
aitken88 said:
Thanks HuckFinn it is a pity that would not work.
Maybe ICS will give us a proper USB port!
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It is not that the Xoom does not have a proper USB port. It has one port that can be used as a device port, host port or when using an unmodified dock, audio. Since it is one physical connection I do not think it is possible for it to do more than one of these functions at a time. When it is being used as a host port you can use a hub to connect multiple devices, but the Xoom port is still only being used as a host.
Regarding the connections, coming from the USB connection in the dock are six wires. The yellow wire is the odd wire that I am assuming tells the xoom to port audio out of the USB connection. I have not done any testing to confirm this. I know the brown wire triggers the host mode when tied to the black wire. The other wires, black, red, white and green are the standard USB connections, -, +, d+ and d- .
I bought this one on eBay yesterday. Hopefully it works to transfer data to the computer.
Let us now how it is. It looks nice
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I would be very careful using this dock. In the pictures it appears that it uses the very thin charging plug. I would be scared that any misalignment could damage either the dock or the pin inside the xoom.
HuckFinn said:
I would be very careful using this dock. In the pictures it appears that it uses the very thin charging plug. I would be scared that any misalignment could damage either the dock or the pin inside the xoom.
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Doesn't the official charger/speaker dock from Motorola also use the thin charging plug? I've looked at some youtube reviews and they seem to mention that it's not easy to dock due to that plug.
slonn said:
Doesn't the official charger/speaker dock from Motorola also use the thin charging plug? I've looked at some youtube reviews and they seem to mention that it's not easy to dock due to that plug.
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No, the standard and speaker docks use the gold contacts on the bottom of the Xoom to charge. The standard dock has the USB connector and the speaker dock has both usb and hdmi connectors, along with the two gold spring loaded pins which make contact with the Xoom.
Just finished my mod to the HD dock. Didn't have to splice any wires for this method. I had my spare Droid X dock lying around so I ripped the USB cable out of that for this mod. The DX USB cable mounts perfectly where the HD dock USB cable does, fits like a glove, and has a female end that's just about right to extend to the bass port on the HD dock.
- Removed DX dock USB cable
- Opened HD dock
- Removed bass port/screws and set aside in the dock box (no longer using this)
- Removed mounting bracket/screws for USB/HDMI/power
- Snipped off plastic w/pliers where existing USB cable was fed through (no cutting/splicing like I said - I did this to be able to remove the existing USB cable from the hole in the mounting bracket)
- Replaced HD's USB with the DX USB (fit like a glove)
- Reattached mounting bracket/screws for USB/HDMI/power
- Fed the new USB cable through where the bass port used to be
- Moved the original HD USB to the side (extension cable through the same bass port path would re-enable speaker capabilities)
- Double side taped the new USB to the end of the bass port hole (hot glue later)
- Re-assembled the dock
Pretty easy. Like I said, a little hot glue would have made the new USB port more stable, but I'll add this later. Also if I want to re-use the internal speaker I'd just need to get a micro USB extension cable and feed that through the bass port as well - just plug it to the female USB to enable the speaker.
I'm planning on ordering from Expansys and getting at least the MHL adapter (would the Expansys one work as well as the official Samsung one?), a car kit, and maybe this sleek looking case once it's in stock.
I would get the HTC MHL adapter. It looks much better and the ports are arranged more logically.
http://shop.htcpedia.com/htc-mhl-adapter.html
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I'll be getting (when in stock) an extra battery
http://shop.htcpedia.com/samsung-galaxy-nexus-battery.html
and another charger for it
http://shop.htcpedia.com/samsung-galaxy-nexus-battery-charger.html
I have a soft pouch for when im out. I bought a usb connector so I can plug in a usb adapter for a mouse and keyboard or plug in a flash drive. I also bought a 7000mAh battery pack to charge it on the go. I did ponder on whether to buy a spare battery but that means turning the phone off, taking the battery out and changing it so a battery pack which can recharge a nearly empty battery at least 3 times makes more sense. It also has 2 outputs so you can charge 2 phones at once or power any usb device from it .
Im waiting until the samsung car dock and portrait multimedia dock are released. I was going to get an mhl adapter but I need a desk dock anyway and the docks for the nexus will have hdmi ports in them so you can output direct to a tv or monitor without the need for ugly connectors.
Mark.
mskip said:
I have a soft pouch for when im out. I bought a usb connector so I can plug in a usb adapter for a mouse and keyboard or plug in a flash drive. I also bought a 7000mAh battery pack to charge it on the go. I did ponder on whether to buy a spare battery but that means turning the phone off, taking the battery out and changing it so a battery pack which can recharge a nearly empty battery at least 3 times makes more sense. It also has 2 outputs so you can charge 2 phones at once or power any usb device from it .
Im waiting until the samsung car dock and portrait multimedia dock are released. I was going to get an mhl adapter but I need a desk dock anyway and the docks for the nexus will have hdmi ports in them so you can output direct to a tv or monitor without the need for ugly connectors.
Mark.
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Wow, didn't know they Nexus could act as a USB host. Does that mean you can read any file off a flash drive? What about portable hard drives (I'm assuming they would need external power)?
That battery pack looks nice, too bad they don't have it on expansys. It will cost me too much to ship each item from individual websites along with my Nexus
Edit: Just found the Usb host on the go thread and it seems that it is not supported out of the box (yet), you might need to flash a custom kernel for it to work until Google fixes it. That said I still ordered the cable
gabster21 said:
Wow, didn't know they Nexus could act as a USB host. Does that mean you can read any file off a flash drive? What about portable hard drives (I'm assuming they would need external power)?
That battery pack looks nice, too bad they don't have it on expansys. It will cost me too much to ship each item from individual websites along with my Nexus
Edit: Just found the Usb host on the go thread and it seems that it is not supported out of the box (yet), you might need to flash a custom kernel for it to work until Google fixes it. That said I still ordered the cable
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Paul at Modaco has made a custom kernel to support usb drives *HERE*. I havent tested that function yet though so I cant confirm it works.
Mark.
I just picked up a MilitaryShield screen protector and carbon fiber skin from amazon. I thought for $15 I couldn't go wrong.
telepathically sent with my Galaxy Nexus which is being imprisoned by FedEx
i still think what will be the best dock, this one:
http://shop.htcpedia.com/samsung-galaxy-nexus-multimedia-dock.html
or this one:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Desktop-Dock-Galaxy-Nexus/dp/B006GJ5S3S
the 1st one has both HDMI & mini-USB.
the 2nd one is the official and uses the pogo pins but only mini-USB and audio jack.
my goal is connecting the nexus to my lcd tv with a controller such a usb gamepad.
any benefits for the pogo pins? should i connect MHL to the back of the dock?
i already bought the screen protector and mhl. will be buying a soft holster pouch if my droid x one doesnt fit in and probably some sort of case. maybe the one with the kickstand. and a battery
just bought a black leather fitbag case for it, also looking at buying a battery pack for it to charge on the go
Iv ordered a cheap ebay case, the leather flip one for when im out, £5 cant go wrong....
I want to be able to connect my Nexus to my Tv and watch videos and also play emulated games using controllers, so I'm getting the MHL Adapter and HDMI Cable. Free shipping on amazon? don't mind if I do.
idan_mo said:
i still think what will be the best dock, this one:
http://shop.htcpedia.com/samsung-galaxy-nexus-multimedia-dock.html
or this one:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Desktop-Dock-Galaxy-Nexus/dp/B006GJ5S3S
the 1st one has both HDMI & mini-USB.
the 2nd one is the official and uses the pogo pins but only mini-USB and audio jack.
my goal is connecting the nexus to my lcd tv with a controller such a usb gamepad.
any benefits for the pogo pins? should i connect MHL to the back of the dock?
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For what you're using it for, the 2nd one won't work, unless you plug the mhl cable directly into the phone (the port should be open since it's in landscape). Everyone needs to keep in mind that the 2nd one only charges it. It WILL NOT connect to a computer for file transfer, nor will it support mhl/HDMI out.
In terms of ease of use and function, I prefer the 2nd one though, because (going off how the nexus one worked) you can just drop the phone in/take it out one handed easily; no need to line the port up. This actually works better than the n1, since it would always fall over if you weren't careful (since it was oriented in portrait mode). In addition, the phone should automatically connect to the dock through bluetooth, which I loved on the N1.
Hope this helps your decision. Oh, and I'm definitely getting the official Samsung landscape dock
so, in the back of the official dock i can connect, for example, a gamepad/controller and since the dock is landscape, i can connect to the phone the mhl cable, is that right?
idan_mo said:
so, in the back of the official dock i can connect, for example, a gamepad/controller and since the dock is landscape, i can connect to the phone the mhl cable, is that right?
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For the official portrait dock, you may or may not be able to connect everything to the back of the dock. It depends on if Samsung is foolish or not.
For the official landscape dock (with the pins) the back can ONLY be used for charging the phone. The controller and HDMI out would have to be placed in the port of the phone itself, assuming that it actually shows while sitting in the dock (I don't know if it even does). The whole point of this dock is to be a stylish desk clock/charger, and nothing else. (Again, going off of the nexus one dock. There's an extremely slight possibility that they've improved the pin connector tech, but as far as I know, it wouldn't be enough to port full video through)
So for your uses, get the portrait dock. It connects to the phone via usb, and while it may not be as fancy as the landscape one, it'll almost definitely be more useful to you.
thank you!
oh, lets say i use usb splitter on my nexus, the question is if the usb splitter still support so i can connect for example gamepad, keyboard and mouse ?
idan_mo said:
thank you!
oh, lets say i use usb splitter on my nexus, the question is if the usb splitter still support so i can connect for example gamepad, keyboard and mouse ?
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Well I know that a usb splitter will cover the gamepad, keyboard and mouse since they're all usb, but if you're considering a keyboard and mouse I'd say go for a bluetooth set. They connect extremely easily and work out of the box; I've tested it with my own mouse. Come to think of it, I'd say get a ps3 controller too. Then you could connect to the phone using bluetooth with the controller as well. Then you'd have no wires between you and the phone, which is slick in my opinion.
Of course if you don't have any of those and don't want to spend the money/already have a set you want to use then here's what you do: get something like one of these:
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/29367-HT...HDMI-TV-Out-Cable-AC-M490-Reviews.htm#reviews
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/bizlink-mhl-to-hdmi-tv-out-adapter-black-p29839.htm
and connect it to the phone. Then if you still decide to do the usb route rather than bluetooth then connect your usb splitter to the adapter. That way the MHL adapter still can send out HDMI and send in the usb inputs from the splitter.
And you'll have a full game/workstation from your phone. Not sure how effective it will be (since the homescreen/some apps don't work in landscape) but it'll definitely be cool for games.
tsunami1609 said:
Well I know that a usb splitter will cover the gamepad, keyboard and mouse since they're all usb, but if you're considering a keyboard and mouse I'd say go for a bluetooth set. They connect extremely easily and work out of the box; I've tested it with my own mouse. Come to think of it, I'd say get a ps3 controller too. Then you could connect to the phone using bluetooth with the controller as well. Then you'd have no wires between you and the phone, which is slick in my opinion.
Of course if you don't have any of those and don't want to spend the money/already have a set you want to use then here's what you do: get something like one of these:
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/29367-HT...HDMI-TV-Out-Cable-AC-M490-Reviews.htm#reviews
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/bizlink-mhl-to-hdmi-tv-out-adapter-black-p29839.htm
and connect it to the phone. Then if you still decide to do the usb route rather than bluetooth then connect your usb splitter to the adapter. That way the MHL adapter still can send out HDMI and send in the usb inputs from the splitter.
And you'll have a full game/workstation from your phone. Not sure how effective it will be (since the homescreen/some apps don't work in landscape) but it'll definitely be cool for games.
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Actually, it's either MHL or USB. They use the same pins, so you can never get USB and MHL to work at the same time.
If you want HDMI output and controller input at the same time, Bluetooth is the only way to go.
mskip said:
I bought a usb connector so I can plug in a usb adapter for a mouse and keyboard or plug in a flash drive.
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Make sure it's a USB-OTG cable and not a simple adapter. That one doesn't say that it's OTG. May still be though.
tsunami1609 said:
Come to think of it, I'd say get a ps3 controller too. Then you could connect to the phone using bluetooth with the controller as well. Then you'd have no wires between you and the phone, which is slick in my opinion.
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Has anyone tried the Sixaxis tool from the market on the SGS and confirm it works?
Also, I bought this USB micro to female adapter from Expansys: http://www.expansys.ae/expansys-micro-usb-male-to-usb-female-adapter-223101/
How do I find out if it's OTG or not?
I bought these on ebay. The HDMI is short but worked but when I connect both cables to lapdock, the USB is not being recognized so the keyboard/mouse is not working. I want this just to act as an extension so I can use full lapdock abilities with cables. Any idea what's going on (cable charges on plug but does not charge on lapdock)? Maybe someone has better usb cables.
fixed the link:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/29059482363...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_3046wt_1508
http://www.ebay.com/itm/36042990934...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_2333wt_1010
links appear to be broken...
From your title I've been looking for these (or similar) cables for a long time and have been unsuccessful. However I have yet to try them.
Fixed the link
http://www.ebay.com/itm/29059482363...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_3046wt_1508
http://www.ebay.com/itm/36042990934...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_2333wt_1010
i don't think it will work either way, tried a few things like this with no avail.
why wouldn't they? Cheap build quality that doesn't include the data wires? Hell I'll be willing to splice two cables together to get our desired effect, the only problem is that cords with a female micro usb are incredibly hard to come by
So that is what you think it is? No data on the usb cables.
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mamoranto said:
So that is what you think it is? No data on the usb cables.
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the only reason that is my suspicion is because there are many "charging" products out there that don't really need data. Why there would be a need for such a small charging extension cable is beyond me, but it's the only solution I can think of, but I have no way of confirming or denying it either. The ebay descriptions seem to imply that the data wires are there, but we all know how reliable ebay can be...
Another idea I had was that it might be sensing the resistance in the cable, since, if I remember correctly, that was how some think/though the car dock puts the atrix into car mode without a magnet as is/was commonly used. Again these are just ideas.
Or the cable is just so poorly made that it's defective...I honestly have no clue
Has anyone got full lapdock capabilities using extension cables? I can only get the screen working and not the mouse and keyboard.
The HDMI extender was the hard one to find. There are other micro USB extenders out there, theoretically with all wires connected....
http://www.usbfirewire.com/uextendmicrob.html
Kind of makes me wish i hadn't hacked up my lapdock to work with the Otterbox
Where did you get your HDMI extender? I got mine from All4Cellular but it's quite short. Will have to get another HDMI one if the usb cable you recommended works.
mamoranto said:
Where did you get your HDMI extender? I got mine from All4Cellular but it's quite short. Will have to get another HDMI one if the usb cable you recommended works.
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If you're asking me, i didn't. I was referring to the ebay link in the third post.
grevedan said:
The HDMI extender was the hard one to find. There are other micro USB extenders out there, theoretically with all wires connected....
http://www.usbfirewire.com/uextendmicrob.html
Kind of makes me wish i hadn't hacked up my webtop to work with the Otterbox
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before I read that post, I was looking around the forums and the web yesterday well into the night. here are some of the things I've found that might be relevant to everyone (and it might possibly be cheaper, though more diy).
Micro USB stuff:
I have no idea why this exists http://www.dealextreme.com/p/micro-...r-cable-for-blackberry-9900-black-30cm-107901
I have no idea why this only has 4 pins http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9614
http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10031
mamoranto said:
Where did you get your HDMI extender? I got mine from All4Cellular but it's quite short. Will have to get another HDMI one if the usb cable you recommended works.
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Here's what I am thinking about doing:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/140626354628#ht_2821wt_1177 or http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-HDMI-...ultDomain_0&hash=item415eac6dc0#ht_2821wt_980
http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Female-M...YPB4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1329854686&sr=8-2
then the hdmi cable that came with our phone:
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Stan...QTA8/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1329854856&sr=8-8
The HDMI certainly looks like it may work but the reason I didn't buy that product from ebay a few weeks ago was because it was $50. Now miraculously, it's only $6. Maybe I'll get that if the USB cable I just bought that was suggested works a few posts back.
misiek93 said:
why wouldn't they? Cheap build quality that doesn't include the data wires? Hell I'll be willing to splice two cables together to get our desired effect, the only problem is that cords with a female micro usb are incredibly hard to come by
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This micro usb extension cord explicitly states that all 5 wires are connected (compatible with droid bionic for the purpose of docking with a case on the phone):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-E...395?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item335d13272b
I bought the HDMI extension cable and the USB cable above. I have a lapdock so I'll post if it works.
everything asked/answered in here is already covered in the original thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1376679
robrj said:
This micro usb extension cord explicitly states that all 5 wires are connected (compatible with droid bionic for the purpose of docking with a case on the phone):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-E...395?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item335d13272b
I bought the HDMI extension cable and the USB cable above. I have a lapdock so I'll post if it works.
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The HDMI cable seems to work. On the lapdock, with just the HDMI cable hooked up, it functions like it was it's an entertainment center.
The USB cord will need to be modified a little bit. I can't get it to seat right on the USB jack of the dock. I'll need to shave it down a bit as it doesn't sit down snugly.
robrj said:
The HDMI cable seems to work. On the lapdock, with just the HDMI cable hooked up, it functions like it was it's an entertainment center.
The USB cord will need to be modified a little bit. I can't get it to seat right on the USB jack of the dock. I'll need to shave it down a bit as it doesn't sit down snugly.
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I ordered the USB cable and experience this same problem, though I am waiting for my hdmi parts to come in (by April 6th I should have all my parts...). The cable itself works flawlessly as a micro usb extension cable when connecting it to the computer.
again as mentioned in the other thread, you want to be careful with the 5v coming out that micro hdmi port. for connecting back to your phone would be no issue, as the phone charges using this voltage, but hooking the lapdocks micro usb up to a host device probably wont appreciate the 5v coming back up the cable, where normally the usb device would be pulling power from said host, not providing it.
one suggestion is to just clip the red wire inside your micro usb cable/adapter.
btw the adapters i use do fit snugly side by side, without modification.
I've been following this thread for a little while now, and I wanted to share something I found.
I was looking at the Motorola Travel Webtop adapter. And I was curious to see whether it could be tweaked to suite our needs. I naively thought/hoped that I could flip the connectors in the device to make a small adapter to connect the Atrix to newer Lapdocks. Unfortunately as you can see in the pictures below (sorry not enough posts to link to the pictures) the two connectors are connected via a PCB not wires or a ribbon cable. Although I still have high hopes that I can de-solder the HDMI and USB connectors, and use a small length of flat ribbon cable to connect them and then re-positions the connectors in the case, to build a micro adapter to use the Atrix on the newer Lapdocks. Should this fail this will at least prevent others from making the same mistake, and solve the mystery of what's really inside the Webtop Travel adapter.
Do any one know if this Micro HDMI Cable would work for Lapdock.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Feet-HDMI...s_Adapters&hash=item416612cecb#ht_1149wt_1187
Description says for Asus tf201 MEMO ME171.
I believe all Cables are standard. Can this used to Atrix 4g with Lapdock?
I have otterbox case for Atrix and don't want to Remove cover everytime to plug in Lapdock.