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What accesssories are you ordering with your Nexus?

I'm planning on ordering from Expansys and getting at least the MHL adapter (would the Expansys one work as well as the official Samsung one?), a car kit, and maybe this sleek looking case once it's in stock.

I would get the HTC MHL adapter. It looks much better and the ports are arranged more logically.
http://shop.htcpedia.com/htc-mhl-adapter.html
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I'll be getting (when in stock) an extra battery
http://shop.htcpedia.com/samsung-galaxy-nexus-battery.html
and another charger for it
http://shop.htcpedia.com/samsung-galaxy-nexus-battery-charger.html

I have a soft pouch for when im out. I bought a usb connector so I can plug in a usb adapter for a mouse and keyboard or plug in a flash drive. I also bought a 7000mAh battery pack to charge it on the go. I did ponder on whether to buy a spare battery but that means turning the phone off, taking the battery out and changing it so a battery pack which can recharge a nearly empty battery at least 3 times makes more sense. It also has 2 outputs so you can charge 2 phones at once or power any usb device from it .
Im waiting until the samsung car dock and portrait multimedia dock are released. I was going to get an mhl adapter but I need a desk dock anyway and the docks for the nexus will have hdmi ports in them so you can output direct to a tv or monitor without the need for ugly connectors.
Mark.

mskip said:
I have a soft pouch for when im out. I bought a usb connector so I can plug in a usb adapter for a mouse and keyboard or plug in a flash drive. I also bought a 7000mAh battery pack to charge it on the go. I did ponder on whether to buy a spare battery but that means turning the phone off, taking the battery out and changing it so a battery pack which can recharge a nearly empty battery at least 3 times makes more sense. It also has 2 outputs so you can charge 2 phones at once or power any usb device from it .
Im waiting until the samsung car dock and portrait multimedia dock are released. I was going to get an mhl adapter but I need a desk dock anyway and the docks for the nexus will have hdmi ports in them so you can output direct to a tv or monitor without the need for ugly connectors.
Mark.
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Wow, didn't know they Nexus could act as a USB host. Does that mean you can read any file off a flash drive? What about portable hard drives (I'm assuming they would need external power)?
That battery pack looks nice, too bad they don't have it on expansys. It will cost me too much to ship each item from individual websites along with my Nexus
Edit: Just found the Usb host on the go thread and it seems that it is not supported out of the box (yet), you might need to flash a custom kernel for it to work until Google fixes it. That said I still ordered the cable

gabster21 said:
Wow, didn't know they Nexus could act as a USB host. Does that mean you can read any file off a flash drive? What about portable hard drives (I'm assuming they would need external power)?
That battery pack looks nice, too bad they don't have it on expansys. It will cost me too much to ship each item from individual websites along with my Nexus
Edit: Just found the Usb host on the go thread and it seems that it is not supported out of the box (yet), you might need to flash a custom kernel for it to work until Google fixes it. That said I still ordered the cable
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Paul at Modaco has made a custom kernel to support usb drives *HERE*. I havent tested that function yet though so I cant confirm it works.
Mark.

I just picked up a MilitaryShield screen protector and carbon fiber skin from amazon. I thought for $15 I couldn't go wrong.
telepathically sent with my Galaxy Nexus which is being imprisoned by FedEx

i still think what will be the best dock, this one:
http://shop.htcpedia.com/samsung-galaxy-nexus-multimedia-dock.html
or this one:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Desktop-Dock-Galaxy-Nexus/dp/B006GJ5S3S
the 1st one has both HDMI & mini-USB.
the 2nd one is the official and uses the pogo pins but only mini-USB and audio jack.
my goal is connecting the nexus to my lcd tv with a controller such a usb gamepad.
any benefits for the pogo pins? should i connect MHL to the back of the dock?

i already bought the screen protector and mhl. will be buying a soft holster pouch if my droid x one doesnt fit in and probably some sort of case. maybe the one with the kickstand. and a battery

just bought a black leather fitbag case for it, also looking at buying a battery pack for it to charge on the go

Iv ordered a cheap ebay case, the leather flip one for when im out, £5 cant go wrong....

I want to be able to connect my Nexus to my Tv and watch videos and also play emulated games using controllers, so I'm getting the MHL Adapter and HDMI Cable. Free shipping on amazon? don't mind if I do.

idan_mo said:
i still think what will be the best dock, this one:
http://shop.htcpedia.com/samsung-galaxy-nexus-multimedia-dock.html
or this one:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Desktop-Dock-Galaxy-Nexus/dp/B006GJ5S3S
the 1st one has both HDMI & mini-USB.
the 2nd one is the official and uses the pogo pins but only mini-USB and audio jack.
my goal is connecting the nexus to my lcd tv with a controller such a usb gamepad.
any benefits for the pogo pins? should i connect MHL to the back of the dock?
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For what you're using it for, the 2nd one won't work, unless you plug the mhl cable directly into the phone (the port should be open since it's in landscape). Everyone needs to keep in mind that the 2nd one only charges it. It WILL NOT connect to a computer for file transfer, nor will it support mhl/HDMI out.
In terms of ease of use and function, I prefer the 2nd one though, because (going off how the nexus one worked) you can just drop the phone in/take it out one handed easily; no need to line the port up. This actually works better than the n1, since it would always fall over if you weren't careful (since it was oriented in portrait mode). In addition, the phone should automatically connect to the dock through bluetooth, which I loved on the N1.
Hope this helps your decision. Oh, and I'm definitely getting the official Samsung landscape dock

so, in the back of the official dock i can connect, for example, a gamepad/controller and since the dock is landscape, i can connect to the phone the mhl cable, is that right?

idan_mo said:
so, in the back of the official dock i can connect, for example, a gamepad/controller and since the dock is landscape, i can connect to the phone the mhl cable, is that right?
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For the official portrait dock, you may or may not be able to connect everything to the back of the dock. It depends on if Samsung is foolish or not.
For the official landscape dock (with the pins) the back can ONLY be used for charging the phone. The controller and HDMI out would have to be placed in the port of the phone itself, assuming that it actually shows while sitting in the dock (I don't know if it even does). The whole point of this dock is to be a stylish desk clock/charger, and nothing else. (Again, going off of the nexus one dock. There's an extremely slight possibility that they've improved the pin connector tech, but as far as I know, it wouldn't be enough to port full video through)
So for your uses, get the portrait dock. It connects to the phone via usb, and while it may not be as fancy as the landscape one, it'll almost definitely be more useful to you.

thank you!
oh, lets say i use usb splitter on my nexus, the question is if the usb splitter still support so i can connect for example gamepad, keyboard and mouse ?

idan_mo said:
thank you!
oh, lets say i use usb splitter on my nexus, the question is if the usb splitter still support so i can connect for example gamepad, keyboard and mouse ?
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Well I know that a usb splitter will cover the gamepad, keyboard and mouse since they're all usb, but if you're considering a keyboard and mouse I'd say go for a bluetooth set. They connect extremely easily and work out of the box; I've tested it with my own mouse. Come to think of it, I'd say get a ps3 controller too. Then you could connect to the phone using bluetooth with the controller as well. Then you'd have no wires between you and the phone, which is slick in my opinion.
Of course if you don't have any of those and don't want to spend the money/already have a set you want to use then here's what you do: get something like one of these:
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/29367-HT...HDMI-TV-Out-Cable-AC-M490-Reviews.htm#reviews
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/bizlink-mhl-to-hdmi-tv-out-adapter-black-p29839.htm
and connect it to the phone. Then if you still decide to do the usb route rather than bluetooth then connect your usb splitter to the adapter. That way the MHL adapter still can send out HDMI and send in the usb inputs from the splitter.
And you'll have a full game/workstation from your phone. Not sure how effective it will be (since the homescreen/some apps don't work in landscape) but it'll definitely be cool for games.

tsunami1609 said:
Well I know that a usb splitter will cover the gamepad, keyboard and mouse since they're all usb, but if you're considering a keyboard and mouse I'd say go for a bluetooth set. They connect extremely easily and work out of the box; I've tested it with my own mouse. Come to think of it, I'd say get a ps3 controller too. Then you could connect to the phone using bluetooth with the controller as well. Then you'd have no wires between you and the phone, which is slick in my opinion.
Of course if you don't have any of those and don't want to spend the money/already have a set you want to use then here's what you do: get something like one of these:
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/29367-HT...HDMI-TV-Out-Cable-AC-M490-Reviews.htm#reviews
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/bizlink-mhl-to-hdmi-tv-out-adapter-black-p29839.htm
and connect it to the phone. Then if you still decide to do the usb route rather than bluetooth then connect your usb splitter to the adapter. That way the MHL adapter still can send out HDMI and send in the usb inputs from the splitter.
And you'll have a full game/workstation from your phone. Not sure how effective it will be (since the homescreen/some apps don't work in landscape) but it'll definitely be cool for games.
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Actually, it's either MHL or USB. They use the same pins, so you can never get USB and MHL to work at the same time.
If you want HDMI output and controller input at the same time, Bluetooth is the only way to go.

mskip said:
I bought a usb connector so I can plug in a usb adapter for a mouse and keyboard or plug in a flash drive.
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Make sure it's a USB-OTG cable and not a simple adapter. That one doesn't say that it's OTG. May still be though.

tsunami1609 said:
Come to think of it, I'd say get a ps3 controller too. Then you could connect to the phone using bluetooth with the controller as well. Then you'd have no wires between you and the phone, which is slick in my opinion.
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Has anyone tried the Sixaxis tool from the market on the SGS and confirm it works?
Also, I bought this USB micro to female adapter from Expansys: http://www.expansys.ae/expansys-micro-usb-male-to-usb-female-adapter-223101/
How do I find out if it's OTG or not?

micro female/male hdmi and usb for Lapdock

I bought these on ebay. The HDMI is short but worked but when I connect both cables to lapdock, the USB is not being recognized so the keyboard/mouse is not working. I want this just to act as an extension so I can use full lapdock abilities with cables. Any idea what's going on (cable charges on plug but does not charge on lapdock)? Maybe someone has better usb cables.
fixed the link:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/29059482363...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_3046wt_1508
http://www.ebay.com/itm/36042990934...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_2333wt_1010

links appear to be broken...
From your title I've been looking for these (or similar) cables for a long time and have been unsuccessful. However I have yet to try them.

Fixed the link
http://www.ebay.com/itm/29059482363...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_3046wt_1508
http://www.ebay.com/itm/36042990934...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_2333wt_1010

i don't think it will work either way, tried a few things like this with no avail.

why wouldn't they? Cheap build quality that doesn't include the data wires? Hell I'll be willing to splice two cables together to get our desired effect, the only problem is that cords with a female micro usb are incredibly hard to come by

So that is what you think it is? No data on the usb cables.
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mamoranto said:
So that is what you think it is? No data on the usb cables.
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the only reason that is my suspicion is because there are many "charging" products out there that don't really need data. Why there would be a need for such a small charging extension cable is beyond me, but it's the only solution I can think of, but I have no way of confirming or denying it either. The ebay descriptions seem to imply that the data wires are there, but we all know how reliable ebay can be...
Another idea I had was that it might be sensing the resistance in the cable, since, if I remember correctly, that was how some think/though the car dock puts the atrix into car mode without a magnet as is/was commonly used. Again these are just ideas.
Or the cable is just so poorly made that it's defective...I honestly have no clue

Has anyone got full lapdock capabilities using extension cables? I can only get the screen working and not the mouse and keyboard.

The HDMI extender was the hard one to find. There are other micro USB extenders out there, theoretically with all wires connected....
http://www.usbfirewire.com/uextendmicrob.html
Kind of makes me wish i hadn't hacked up my lapdock to work with the Otterbox

Where did you get your HDMI extender? I got mine from All4Cellular but it's quite short. Will have to get another HDMI one if the usb cable you recommended works.

mamoranto said:
Where did you get your HDMI extender? I got mine from All4Cellular but it's quite short. Will have to get another HDMI one if the usb cable you recommended works.
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If you're asking me, i didn't. I was referring to the ebay link in the third post.

grevedan said:
The HDMI extender was the hard one to find. There are other micro USB extenders out there, theoretically with all wires connected....
http://www.usbfirewire.com/uextendmicrob.html
Kind of makes me wish i hadn't hacked up my webtop to work with the Otterbox
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before I read that post, I was looking around the forums and the web yesterday well into the night. here are some of the things I've found that might be relevant to everyone (and it might possibly be cheaper, though more diy).
Micro USB stuff:
I have no idea why this exists http://www.dealextreme.com/p/micro-...r-cable-for-blackberry-9900-black-30cm-107901
I have no idea why this only has 4 pins http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9614
http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10031
mamoranto said:
Where did you get your HDMI extender? I got mine from All4Cellular but it's quite short. Will have to get another HDMI one if the usb cable you recommended works.
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Here's what I am thinking about doing:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/140626354628#ht_2821wt_1177 or http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-HDMI-...ultDomain_0&hash=item415eac6dc0#ht_2821wt_980
http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Female-M...YPB4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1329854686&sr=8-2
then the hdmi cable that came with our phone:
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Stan...QTA8/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1329854856&sr=8-8

The HDMI certainly looks like it may work but the reason I didn't buy that product from ebay a few weeks ago was because it was $50. Now miraculously, it's only $6. Maybe I'll get that if the USB cable I just bought that was suggested works a few posts back.

misiek93 said:
why wouldn't they? Cheap build quality that doesn't include the data wires? Hell I'll be willing to splice two cables together to get our desired effect, the only problem is that cords with a female micro usb are incredibly hard to come by
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This micro usb extension cord explicitly states that all 5 wires are connected (compatible with droid bionic for the purpose of docking with a case on the phone):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-E...395?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item335d13272b
I bought the HDMI extension cable and the USB cable above. I have a lapdock so I'll post if it works.

everything asked/answered in here is already covered in the original thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1376679

robrj said:
This micro usb extension cord explicitly states that all 5 wires are connected (compatible with droid bionic for the purpose of docking with a case on the phone):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-E...395?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item335d13272b
I bought the HDMI extension cable and the USB cable above. I have a lapdock so I'll post if it works.
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The HDMI cable seems to work. On the lapdock, with just the HDMI cable hooked up, it functions like it was it's an entertainment center.
The USB cord will need to be modified a little bit. I can't get it to seat right on the USB jack of the dock. I'll need to shave it down a bit as it doesn't sit down snugly.

robrj said:
The HDMI cable seems to work. On the lapdock, with just the HDMI cable hooked up, it functions like it was it's an entertainment center.
The USB cord will need to be modified a little bit. I can't get it to seat right on the USB jack of the dock. I'll need to shave it down a bit as it doesn't sit down snugly.
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I ordered the USB cable and experience this same problem, though I am waiting for my hdmi parts to come in (by April 6th I should have all my parts...). The cable itself works flawlessly as a micro usb extension cable when connecting it to the computer.

again as mentioned in the other thread, you want to be careful with the 5v coming out that micro hdmi port. for connecting back to your phone would be no issue, as the phone charges using this voltage, but hooking the lapdocks micro usb up to a host device probably wont appreciate the 5v coming back up the cable, where normally the usb device would be pulling power from said host, not providing it.
one suggestion is to just clip the red wire inside your micro usb cable/adapter.
btw the adapters i use do fit snugly side by side, without modification.

I've been following this thread for a little while now, and I wanted to share something I found.
I was looking at the Motorola Travel Webtop adapter. And I was curious to see whether it could be tweaked to suite our needs. I naively thought/hoped that I could flip the connectors in the device to make a small adapter to connect the Atrix to newer Lapdocks. Unfortunately as you can see in the pictures below (sorry not enough posts to link to the pictures) the two connectors are connected via a PCB not wires or a ribbon cable. Although I still have high hopes that I can de-solder the HDMI and USB connectors, and use a small length of flat ribbon cable to connect them and then re-positions the connectors in the case, to build a micro adapter to use the Atrix on the newer Lapdocks. Should this fail this will at least prevent others from making the same mistake, and solve the mystery of what's really inside the Webtop Travel adapter.

Do any one know if this Micro HDMI Cable would work for Lapdock.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Feet-HDMI...s_Adapters&hash=item416612cecb#ht_1149wt_1187
Description says for Asus tf201 MEMO ME171.
I believe all Cables are standard. Can this used to Atrix 4g with Lapdock?
I have otterbox case for Atrix and don't want to Remove cover everytime to plug in Lapdock.

microUSB to RCA/composite audio

OK, I am about to make the switch from iPhone to SGS3 as soon as they become available in the US.
My main concern right now is getting the audio to play through my current truck stereo deck (JVC KD-DV6200). Right now, I am using the Apple AV adapter that goes from the dock connector to composite (Red/white/yellow) and USB. This way, the phone charges while playing my tunes.
What are my options for keeping this same functionality. I want to be able to go from the microUSB to the composite (red/white) ports of the deck and also be able to charge the phone at the same time.
I am wanting to stay away from using the headphone jack as this usually results in some sort of hissing or humming interference.
I appreciate any info you can give. I'm simply trying to compile info so I can have things together when I finally jump ship.
the_buzz_man

You can get HDMI, VGA and DVI MHL adapters but not composite, and the S3 uses a new type of MHL cable so for now i think you can only find HDMI.

Other option would be to build your own cable, for more information check following links:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1395173&page=2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=820275

Is it because this is such a new device that it is hard to find such a cable?
I have been very excited about dumping my iDevice and going Google but I must admit that this worries me somewhat. To me, a cable like this should be a basic accessory and should be readily available. Maybe I just got spoiled to that Apple AV cable.
I'm not trying to start a rant or anything, nor am I trying to dog android or apple. I'm just hoping that I missed something and that it will show up.
I'm still excited and anxious about trimming that apple tree.
the_buzz_man

Not to point out the obvious... but a single cable will not accomplish that. The micro USB is a digital port, not an analog port like the RCA jack inputs are on your stereo. So in order to convert the audio from the usb on the phone, it will need to go through a converter box to convert the signal.
You're pretty much better off just doing the headphone jack even though you dont want to. You could upgrade your stereo to one that does bluetooth streaming for cheaper than it would cost to get a converter.
Something like this *might* work... but I cannot guarantee it
http://www.amazon.com/Audio-REC2PC-Stereo-RCA-Cable/dp/B003R7KSYG
You would just need a standard USB to Micro USB adapter and hope it works.

coreyzw said:
Not to point out the obvious... but a single cable will not accomplish that. The micro USB is a digital port, not an analog port like the RCA jack inputs are on your stereo. So in order to convert the audio from the usb on the phone, it will need to go through a converter box to convert the signal.
You're pretty much better off just doing the headphone jack even though you dont want to. You could upgrade your stereo to one that does bluetooth streaming for cheaper than it would cost to get a converter.
Something like this *might* work... but I cannot guarantee it
http://www.amazon.com/Audio-REC2PC-Stereo-RCA-Cable/dp/B003R7KSYG
You would just need a standard USB to Micro USB adapter and hope it works.
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Uh, apparently, it will. Granted, I don't know if it works w/ the GS3 (who knows what they flipped given the whole MHL adapter fiasco) but my guess is this is all generic android. Looking at the links posted above, it is possible to make a cable that will put the phone into home/car dock mode using resistors where the audio is then output via usb. I guess the sound isn't amplified so it sounds crummy w/o an amplifier, but if it's going out to a car preamp, it should be fine. When you think about it, this is how the docks work, sans the actual dock. I'm going to try to make this cable later as it doesn't look too hard.
I'm kinda sick of having to plug in two cables (w/ the GS3, it's one on top and one on the bottom which would be very awkward) and was debating whether to pursue a bluetooth solution, but this would work nicely.

This may not be the most attractive solution, but you can simply charge the phone with a car lighter plug and output the music through the headphone jack to the RCA cables. That type of cable certainly exists.

vnamee said:
Uh, apparently, it will. Granted, I don't know if it works w/ the GS3 (who knows what they flipped given the whole MHL adapter fiasco) but my guess is this is all generic android. Looking at the links posted above, it is possible to make a cable that will put the phone into home/car dock mode using resistors where the audio is then output via usb. I guess the sound isn't amplified so it sounds crummy w/o an amplifier, but if it's going out to a car preamp, it should be fine. When you think about it, this is how the docks work, sans the actual dock. I'm going to try to make this cable later as it doesn't look too hard.
I'm kinda sick of having to plug in two cables (w/ the GS3, it's one on top and one on the bottom which would be very awkward) and was debating whether to pursue a bluetooth solution, but this would work nicely.
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**** it... good luck

wouldn't the desktop dock work? Just mount that or put that somewhere in your truck, get a 3.5mm to rca cable, use cigarette lighter charger, then plug both the charger and 3.5mm into the back of the dock and then all you have to do is set your phone on that every time and you're good to go...

viskey said:
wouldn't the desktop dock work? Just mount that or put that somewhere in your truck, get a 3.5mm to rca cable, use cigarette lighter charger, then plug both the charger and 3.5mm into the back of the dock and then all you have to do is set your phone on that every time and you're good to go...
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This is what I suggested above but with the dock is a much cleaner solution.

viskey said:
wouldn't the desktop dock work? Just mount that or put that somewhere in your truck, get a 3.5mm to rca cable, use cigarette lighter charger, then plug both the charger and 3.5mm into the back of the dock and then all you have to do is set your phone on that every time and you're good to go...
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That is one strong possibility. The only problem I foresee is how the dock will work with the phone if it is in a case. I have always kept my phones in an Otterbox defender case, and you know how hard it is to find a dock that will hold this much less lock into a usb port too. I may have to look into getting a different case that can come off easy.
Then again, maybe I will have to check into making my own cable. Most of the cable will be tucked into the dash somewhere so the aesthetics are not that important.
Will have to start doing some searching on pinouts and designs soon.
the_buzz_man

the_buzz_man said:
That is one strong possibility. The only problem I foresee is how the dock will work with the phone if it is in a case. I have always kept my phones in an Otterbox defender case, and you know how hard it is to find a dock that will hold this much less lock into a usb port too. I may have to look into getting a different case that can come off easy.
Then again, maybe I will have to check into making my own cable. Most of the cable will be tucked into the dash somewhere so the aesthetics are not that important.
Will have to start doing some searching on pinouts and designs soon.
the_buzz_man
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There's a diagram in the post above. Essentially, the 365k resister on the ID pin launches it into dock mode, one is ground, one is to charge, and the other are left and right out. It doesn't look at all complicated. I'm going to make one later to see if it will work with my vibrant. Once I get my S3, hopefully it will still work. Then there's just the matter of making it look non-ghetto. You'd want to avoid electrical tape because the adhesive will probably melt in the car.

From reading those posts, it doesn't seem like it would be difficult at all to make this cable/adapter. Now, with the change they made to the MHL to HDMI adapter, I wonder if it changes the pinouts and the needed resistors for the S3.
I will be patiently awaiting some input/feedback from S3 owners that attempt this.
the_buzz_man

the_buzz_man said:
That is one strong possibility. The only problem I foresee is how the dock will work with the phone if it is in a case. I have always kept my phones in an Otterbox defender case, and you know how hard it is to find a dock that will hold this much less lock into a usb port too. I may have to look into getting a different case that can come off easy.
Then again, maybe I will have to check into making my own cable. Most of the cable will be tucked into the dash somewhere so the aesthetics are not that important.
Will have to start doing some searching on pinouts and designs soon.
the_buzz_man
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You could always get a microusb extension but then that dock would have to be hidden somewhere or something.

I'm trying to do something similar to this and was wondering if anyone had come across a similar issue. Please bear with me, and forgive my primitive artwork. Number 10 below poses my real question. Here's my setup, and some commentary.
I'm a n00b, so it won't let me insert an image directly, but you can see it as an attachment.
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1) The Samsung EPL-3FHU adapter for Galaxy S3. Has 11-pin MHL input from phone, 5-pin micro-USB input from charger, and HDMI output toward display.
2) Standard micro-USB to USB cable from #1 to #3 (charger).
3) Griffin dual USB car charger.
4) Standard HDMI cable.
5) ViewHD Universal HDMI to Composite / AV Video Converter with HDMI input, optional (unnecessary) mini-USB power input, and composite A/V output to car display inputs.
6) Standard composite A/V cable.
7) The composite A/V inputs in my armrest. All gear above (#1-6) will be in my armrest, including #1, the MHL adapter.
8) Location of my phone - it fits perfectly in the ashtray opening when the ashtray door is open. I'll run a cable under the center console and out through the ashtray opening so that I can plug it in to my phone. The cable I need for this is number 10.
9) The phone, a Samsung Galaxy S III with its 11-pin MHL/micro-USB port.
10) This is the piece I don't have, can't find, and don't think I can make or re-create. I need it to be 11-pin micro-USB female on one end to plug into #1 above, and 11-pin micro-USB male on the other to plug into the phone. I think I need it to support the 11-pin Samsung micro-USB MHL pinouts (shown in macro/detail above) in order to pass both the audio/video and USB charging over the same cable. I might have to try the 5-pin flavors of MHL adapter (plus 5-to-11-pin adapter) and standard micro-USB cable to see if it works.
Any thoughts?

I would just splice into the mhl 11 pin cable and extend it as needed.
I've got a galaxy s3 but no mhl cable yet. Waiting for the price to drop a little...
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futaris said:
I would just splice into the mhl 11 pin cable and extend it as needed.
I've got a galaxy s3 but no mhl cable yet. Waiting for the price to drop a little...
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Hi futaris - thanks for the reply. The problem I have with that is two-fold. One, the actual 11-pin micro-USB section of the MHL adapter is very short, and doesn't leave a lot of room to actually snip wires, pull back insulation, and solder on an extension (to all 11 wires). Also, it's a one-shot deal with that option. If something goes wrong I'm out of $40 USD. That's why I was mainly avoiding using that method. If I use the 11-pin to 5-pin adapter tip, which functionality would I lose (charging, video, audio)? I don't need USB OTG in the car. That may be a better bet here.

dcs3 said:
Hi futaris - thanks for the reply. The problem I have with that is two-fold. One, the actual 11-pin micro-USB section of the MHL adapter is very short, and doesn't leave a lot of room to actually snip wires, pull back insulation, and solder on an extension (to all 11 wires). Also, it's a one-shot deal with that option. If something goes wrong I'm out of $40 USD. That's why I was mainly avoiding using that method. If I use the 11-pin to 5-pin adapter tip, which functionality would I lose (charging, video, audio)? I don't need USB OTG in the car. That may be a better bet here.
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The 5 pin adapter doesn't cost you any HDMI functionality or charging. It only costs you USB OTG that I know of.

thacounty said:
The 5 pin adapter doesn't cost you any HDMI functionality or charging. It only costs you USB OTG that I know of.
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Ok, so I tried the older 5-pin MHL adapter with the 11-pin to 5-pin adapter tip and it works. However, when I tried to use a standard micro-USB female to male extension cable (www .amazon.com/Micro-B-Female-Extension-Manhattan-307420/dp/B007TLEDTW), it wouldn't pass any video or audio. Are the pinouts from the 11-to-5-pin tip different than a standard micro-USB cable? Can anyone think of another way to allow me to place the MHL adapter further away (maybe 5ft) from the phone itself? Has anyone tried one of these along with the 11-to-5-pin adapter for the S3? www .amazon.com/gp/product/B006V7F380

dcs3 said:
Ok, so I tried the older 5-pin MHL adapter with the 11-pin to 5-pin adapter tip and it works. However, when I tried to use a standard micro-USB female to male extension cable (www .amazon.com/Micro-B-Female-Extension-Manhattan-307420/dp/B007TLEDTW), it wouldn't pass any video or audio. Are the pinouts from the 11-to-5-pin tip different than a standard micro-USB cable? Can anyone think of another way to allow me to place the MHL adapter further away (maybe 5ft) from the phone itself? Has anyone tried one of these along with the 11-to-5-pin adapter for the S3? www .amazon.com/gp/product/B006V7F380
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I have heard that you can't extend USB very far, but I have no data to back that up. How about a longer HDMI cable instead?

make your own USB OTG Simple

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Some high-end Android phones and most of today’s Android tablets support USB OTG (On-The-Go). This enables users to connect standard USB input devices such as keyboards and mice, or even extend storage using a regular USB pen drive. However, only a few Android tablets are equipped with a USB host port (Type A Female connector), while no mobile phone is. Some mobile phone manufacturers ship USB host ports with their handsets while others have them as optional accessories, usually at a premium price.
In order to connect an Android phone to a standard USB device, you need to use a micro (or mini) USB to USB Type A Female convertor, but this should also be an OTG cable. A mini USB OTG cable is available in the market and can cost you around Rs.150 – Rs.300, but finding vendors who actually sell it is not easy. The ones that are available are not guaranteed to work. The case of the micro USB OTG cables is also similar.
USB connector types
In this workshop, we show you how you can build yourself an OTG cable (be it micro or mini) at almost no cost. Do note that the procedure mentioned here will involve hacking into your existing cable, and even a small blunder can potentially damage your cable or the device you use it with. Proceed with extreme caution as we take no responsibility for any damages to your device. Do this at your own risk. Furthermore, do take note of your Android specs and check carefully to see if it has OTG capabilities before trying out this workshop. Phones don’t need to be rooted as the stock ROM usually supports OTG in compatible handsets. Those who have installed third-party developer ROMs should check with the developers if the OTG feature is enabled in the kernel.
Slicing the connector sleeve
Since all phones usually ship with cables, we suggest you opt for a second one from the market to create the OTG cable. For those who are not able to find a similar cable, this workshop will also show you how you can use the same cable for regular and OTG modes. In the following procedure, we'll be using a micro USB cable that we’ll convert to be used with USB OTG.
Requirements:
A standard mini or micro USB cable
Some small, thin wires
A sharp knife
Soldering iron and solder wire
Wire cutter
Hot glue or any quick glue
Firstly, we need to slice open the micro USB connector end very carefully using a knife. The idea here is to cut the outer sleeve (length-wise) into two halves to reveal the connector inside. Be careful not to destroy the outer sleeve as we shall be glueing it back on after the work is done.
A miniature switch
After the sleeve is taken apart, some of you might find a whitish plastic mould covering the connector’s leads. This is for strengthening the cable to connector contacts, and its use depends from manufacturer to manufacturer. Those who have this mould will also have to cut through it to reveal the connector leads. On revealing the connector leads, you will find that it has five leads and not four. The usual four are power, data, data and ground, while the non-connected lead is sense. This lead needs to be grounded before connecting the cable for the phone to switch to OTG mode and sense a USB device connected to the interface.
The difference - circuit
Given above is the pin-out diagram for the micro and mini USB connector.
Pin 1: VCC
Pin 2: data
Pin 3: data
Pin 4 Not connected / unused
Pin 5: ground
In order to get the phone to go into OTG mode, we need to short Pins 4 and 5. You can either choose to short them permanently by soldering them together or soldering two wires to each of the pins and leading those outwards from the connector, which can then be soldered to a small switch. Using the switch, we can switch the cable between normal and OTG whenever needed. If you choose to short it permanently, you will have to cut off the connector at the other end (The Type A Male USB connector) and solder a Type B Female connector to accommodate a USB device. You can also choose to have a male to female USB convertor at that end. Here's what we did:
The connector and the sleeve
We chose to connect a small switch to the leads at Pin 4 and Pin 5 and glue the switch to the wire itself. This way, we could use the cable for both regular and OTG purposes. Next, we glued the connector sleeves back carefully using hot glue. Now the other end of the cable, which has a male USB connector, needed to be converted into a female. For this, we opted for the scrapped USB rear panel connector of a desktop PC. We soldered the wires of the USB connector to create a USB female-to-female convertor. Once done, we now have an OTG cable ready for use. Just to ensure we do not end up frying our phone, we used a multimeter to double-check any cable shortings during the soldering. Lastly, we connected the OTG cable to our Android (the Sony Ericsson Live with Walkman) and used a USB mouse with it. If your cable worked for you and your phone is compatible with OTG features, you can also connect a USB hub to the OTG cable and use a USB keyboard, mouse and pen drive together on the same Android device.
Micro USB Pin points
By following this workshop you can now conveniently use a pointing device to control your apps and games, use a keyboard to type e-mails and messages or use a pen drive to store or access media or large files. If you are lucky enough to find a micro USB connector and a Type A Female USB connector at an electronics store though, you can make your own OTG cable for under Rs.100.

I would have tried it but for to have a soldering device. I guess soldering device is a must for electronic stuffs.

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Harsha Raj said:
I would have tried it but for to have a soldering device. I guess soldering device is a must for electronic stuffs.
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A soldering device and a multimeter is a must when a geek is born

Thanks for that tutorial. I'm tempted to have a 32G pendrive in my pocket now

murpheus said:
Thanks for that tutorial. I'm tempted to have a 32G pendrive in my pocket now
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It works like a Charm..... i wish it could support External HDD.... lol sorry for asking for more GOD

All you need Is
All u need is
Any Spare Data Cable
an old usb hub multi connector sounds perfect
cut the data cable wire and then cut the usb hub wire
join two ends according to diagram
use tape to join and u r done
for perfect job use soldering iron
for amazing job follow this Instructons

karan.champaneri said:
Some high-end Android phones and most of today’s Android tablets support USB OTG (On-The-Go). This enables users to connect standard USB input devices such as keyboards and mice, or even extend storage using a regular USB pen drive. However, only a few Android tablets are equipped with a USB host port (Type A Female connector), while no mobile phone is. Some mobile phone manufacturers ship USB host ports with their handsets while others have them as optional accessories, usually at a premium price.
In order to connect an Android phone to a standard USB device, you need to use a micro (or mini) USB to USB Type A Female convertor, but this should also be an OTG cable. A mini USB OTG cable is available in the market and can cost you around Rs.150 – Rs.300, but finding vendors who actually sell it is not easy. The ones that are available are not guaranteed to work. The case of the micro USB OTG cables is also similar.
USB connector types
In this workshop, we show you how you can build yourself an OTG cable (be it micro or mini) at almost no cost. Do note that the procedure mentioned here will involve hacking into your existing cable, and even a small blunder can potentially damage your cable or the device you use it with. Proceed with extreme caution as we take no responsibility for any damages to your device. Do this at your own risk. Furthermore, do take note of your Android specs and check carefully to see if it has OTG capabilities before trying out this workshop. Phones don’t need to be rooted as the stock ROM usually supports OTG in compatible handsets. Those who have installed third-party developer ROMs should check with the developers if the OTG feature is enabled in the kernel.
Slicing the connector sleeve
Since all phones usually ship with cables, we suggest you opt for a second one from the market to create the OTG cable. For those who are not able to find a similar cable, this workshop will also show you how you can use the same cable for regular and OTG modes. In the following procedure, we'll be using a micro USB cable that we’ll convert to be used with USB OTG.
Requirements:
A standard mini or micro USB cable
Some small, thin wires
A sharp knife
Soldering iron and solder wire
Wire cutter
Hot glue or any quick glue
Firstly, we need to slice open the micro USB connector end very carefully using a knife. The idea here is to cut the outer sleeve (length-wise) into two halves to reveal the connector inside. Be careful not to destroy the outer sleeve as we shall be glueing it back on after the work is done.
A miniature switch
After the sleeve is taken apart, some of you might find a whitish plastic mould covering the connector’s leads. This is for strengthening the cable to connector contacts, and its use depends from manufacturer to manufacturer. Those who have this mould will also have to cut through it to reveal the connector leads. On revealing the connector leads, you will find that it has five leads and not four. The usual four are power, data, data and ground, while the non-connected lead is sense. This lead needs to be grounded before connecting the cable for the phone to switch to OTG mode and sense a USB device connected to the interface.
The difference - circuit
Given above is the pin-out diagram for the micro and mini USB connector.
Pin 1: VCC
Pin 2: data
Pin 3: data
Pin 4 Not connected / unused
Pin 5: ground
In order to get the phone to go into OTG mode, we need to short Pins 4 and 5. You can either choose to short them permanently by soldering them together or soldering two wires to each of the pins and leading those outwards from the connector, which can then be soldered to a small switch. Using the switch, we can switch the cable between normal and OTG whenever needed. If you choose to short it permanently, you will have to cut off the connector at the other end (The Type A Male USB connector) and solder a Type B Female connector to accommodate a USB device. You can also choose to have a male to female USB convertor at that end. Here's what we did:
The connector and the sleeve
We chose to connect a small switch to the leads at Pin 4 and Pin 5 and glue the switch to the wire itself. This way, we could use the cable for both regular and OTG purposes. Next, we glued the connector sleeves back carefully using hot glue. Now the other end of the cable, which has a male USB connector, needed to be converted into a female. For this, we opted for the scrapped USB rear panel connector of a desktop PC. We soldered the wires of the USB connector to create a USB female-to-female convertor. Once done, we now have an OTG cable ready for use. Just to ensure we do not end up frying our phone, we used a multimeter to double-check any cable shortings during the soldering. Lastly, we connected the OTG cable to our Android (the Sony Ericsson Live with Walkman) and used a USB mouse with it. If your cable worked for you and your phone is compatible with OTG features, you can also connect a USB hub to the OTG cable and use a USB keyboard, mouse and pen drive together on the same Android device.
Micro USB Pin points
By following this workshop you can now conveniently use a pointing device to control your apps and games, use a keyboard to type e-mails and messages or use a pen drive to store or access media or large files. If you are lucky enough to find a micro USB connector and a Type A Female USB connector at an electronics store though, you can make your own OTG cable for under Rs.100.
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hai mate,
may i ask something here??
i didn't see any white colour wire on your diagram and i also didn't see any ocean blue wire on your actual pic.. could you help me here??

Thank you.. very clear & easy tutorial...

karan.champaneri said:
It works like a Charm..... i wish it could support External HDD.... lol sorry for asking for more GOD
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You can use OTG to run External HDD, all you need is to separate HDD's power and give it External 5Volts from any cigarette car charger, HDDs consume 1Amp at the most and 5.2 Volts are suitable for it
old HDDs that have Mini-USB with those 2 end USB male wires dont need moding just plug the power on a 5V supply, let the HDD start and plug the Data+Power to OTG cable, but becareful to unplug OTG first before you unplug the power, its not a safe way but it works with my HDDs ( tested on SGS2 :good:

Archos USB cable (internal) not attached

So I bought this Archos 80 G9 refurb'd and I opend the tablet only to find out the cable wasn't screwed in. I screwed it in, but now I get no power to the port, or at least it seems. I've been trying to get my wired 360 controller to work (before I screwed it in, it would give brief power then stop giving it) it doesn't give any now.
First image is how the cable was, second is of me typing dmesg | tail to see if the controller is being connected before I screwed the cable in. Now the controller never lights up and dmesg | tail returns nothing about the port .
I'm running PA 3+ 4.2.2 btw
Any ideas?
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EDIT: After a reboot, it lit up for a few again, but not working.... Again.
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Just tried a USB stick (microSD adapter) with 4gb in it, still nothing
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I have gotten that same message with a few of my USB items. I think it has something to do with the archos not being compatible with older usb devices? If you have a USB hub try plugging that into the archos and your controller into the hub.

Djirin said:
I have gotten that same message with a few of my USB items. I think it has something to do with the archos not being compatible with older usb devices? If you have a USB hub try plugging that into the archos and your controller into the hub.
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No USB hub . The X360 controllers not that old though. Also, I don't get msgs related to the USB anymore since I screwed that cable back in. I would assume that cable is the ground, so i don't see how it'd make the port stop working, totally at a loss . I use my friends compute for flashing stuff, hopefully tomorrow i can flash an official firmware and test again.
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Bump, anyone else with suggestions or an idea on the cable inside?
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MDMonster said:
Bump, anyone else with suggestions or an idea on the cable inside?
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This is a known problem with the G9 series. Since the USB port slides out, it's connected to the main board with the flexible ribbon cable. This ribbon cable can develop tiny cracks in the connections very fast. This is what probably happened to your G9.
Try searching the forum, because there is a proposed permanent solution explained with pictures. You would need to find a suitable ribbon cable from an optical drive and alter it slightly to replace the original cable. Also, fixing the position of the full USB port so it does not move out also helps.

Just to make sure: You did this after booting?
Code:
echo "1" >/sys/class/rfkill/rfkill0/state

neur0mans3r said:
This is a known problem with the G9 series. Since the USB port slides out, it's connected to the main board with the flexible ribbon cable. This ribbon cable can develop tiny cracks in the connections very fast. This is what probably happened to your G9.
Try searching the forum, because there is a proposed permanent solution explained with pictures. You would need to find a suitable ribbon cable from an optical drive and alter it slightly to replace the original cable. Also, fixing the position of the full USB port so it does not move out also helps.
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Well I didn't see any form of cracking on the cable when I opened the bugger up
I'll double check though in a few. I'm restoring apps atm, Just got back onto ICS.

Quallenauge said:
Just to make sure: You did this after booting?
Code:
echo "1" >/sys/class/rfkill/rfkill0/state
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Yes, everytime I wanted to test it after a reboot

MDMonster said:
I've been trying to get my wired 360 controller to work (before I screwed it in, it would give brief power then stop giving it) it doesn't give any now.
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It is my understanding that the Xbox 360 controller only works with a USB Host (or OTG) cable connected to the microUSB connector. It does not work with the full size USB port on the back (or at least it never has on any of my G9 tablets when I tried connecting it that port).
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MDMonster said:
So I bought this Archos 80 G9 refurb'd and...
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The picture you posted does not even look right for the inside of an Archos 80 G9 to me. Or, at least not like any other pictures I've seen of inside of one. The speaker should be further over, not right next to the USB connections.
But, then again, Archos has changed how the G9 models were built several times. Maybe you got a really old one?

55mls said:
It is my understanding that the Xbox 360 controller only works with a USB Host (or OTG) cable connected to the microUSB connector. It does not work with the full size USB port on the back (or at least it never has on any of my G9 tablets when I tried connecting it that port).
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The picture you posted does not even look right for the inside of an Archos 80 G9 to me. Or, at least not like any other pictures I've seen of inside of one. The speaker should be further over, not right next to the USB connections.
But, then again, Archos has changed how the G9 models were built several times. Maybe you got a really old one?
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That's possible
I tested the port with my phone, plugged it into the port and it does work fine, but that's all I've gotten to work, storage devices. Are those all that work other than the obvious 3g sticks? Also, I found out an android device needs the ffmes.ko or whatever and xpad.ko for an X360 controller to work... I looked, but never found them on this device, maybe that's why it doesn't work on that port, just guessing
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Mine seems to be fine.
I've used it with an Apple mini Keyboard. It works directly plugged into the full size port (with a slight angle and some stress on the connector), and it works with a micro-USB OTG adapter cable in the micro USB port, too.
100% plug and play in both cases. (I did turn on 3G in settings)
If my flex cable cracks, or if I open the case again for any reason, here is what I intend to do:
1. Cut a rectangular hole in the outside edge of the slide cover. Remove material as needed.
2. Remove the full size USB socket, or obtain another full-size USB connector, and epoxy it into the slide cover.
3. Point-to-point wire 4 wires (I guess I need a shield, too) from the motherboard to the connector in the slide cover.
4. Super-glue the side cover in place.
The left edge of my 80 G9 will then have all of the connectors at the edge, like it should have in the first place.

Linuxslate said:
Mine seems to be fine.
I've used it with an Apple mini Keyboard. It works directly plugged into the full size port (with a slight angle and some stress on the connector), and it works with a micro-USB OTG adapter cable in the micro USB port, too.
100% plug and play in both cases. (I did turn on 3G in settings)
If my flex cable cracks, or if I open the case again for any reason, here is what I intend to do:
1. Cut a rectangular hole in the outside edge of the slide cover. Remove material as needed.
2. Remove the full size USB socket, or obtain another full-size USB connector, and epoxy it into the slide cover.
3. Point-to-point wire 4 wires (I guess I need a shield, too) from the motherboard to the connector in the slide cover.
4. Super-glue the side cover in place.
The left edge of my 80 G9 will then have all of the connectors at the edge, like it should have in the first place.
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Well like I said in the last post, it is working, but the one thing I wanna use, the 360 controller, isn't working. I did some looking and there is a driver needed, the xpad/ffmess or whatever. Those from what I read are needed, I did some looking on my tablet and didn't find either
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