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Damn... Who does not want this anymore after reading the spec sheet?
Pics
http://wmpoweruser.com/htc-hd7-in-real-pictures-looks-great-kickstand-on-display/
Pics
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Specs
http://wmpoweruser.com/htc-hd7-specs-leak-with-tiny-picture-we-have-a-better-one/
Sad day for me.
Hopefully and probably fake.
The HTC HD series has always been their Top of the line phone, and I don't think that they'll release a phone that is an exact copy of the aging Desire hardwarewise. Espesially not when Qualcomm is delivering new, updated Snapdragon processors that's both more energy efficient and faster.
And 8GB memory? That'll be very tight for anyone planning to use their phone for media.
The specifications sheet might only be a placeholder until HTC officially announces the HD3/HD7... At least I hope so... And hope dies last!
I really hope this is a fake! Surely they wouldn't release a near copy if not inferior phone to the last model of thier flagship model!?
I have had my hTc hd2 leo since April, and it was my first smartphone. It took 3 solid days to get accustomed to the new frontier (mine was and still is a bit buggy), and no, I am too scared to flash ROMS just yet.
Although I have a TON of themes and other custom eye candy upgrades. I love cabs btw.
Anyways, if XDA were a woman I would make sweet love to it, but these conflicting reports are really bad.
Is it or is it not real?
I have a feeling that much like me most leo owners are gonna keep theirs even when newer HTC models arrive. Great hardware and an awesome crew of chefs will assure the popularity. I could be wrong, but that is my opinion.
a forward facing camera is about the only thing...oh, flash too, that I wish my dear leo had.
so, until there is solid evidence of the new phone XDA should be a bit more dilligent about moderating the posting real info because noobs like me confuse easily...
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They simply use and unblock with software some "features" of the Qualcomm chipset. Infact, if you look datasheet of Qualcomm 8250 you will see that he can record 720p video and have a 12mpx camera sensor inside..so the new economy is still use an "old" platform in brand new devices for show to us a sort of new model. I think that if HD2 today is still in the smartphone top-ten, we must say thanks to his versatility. Maybe HTC wasn't know 1 years ago that this device will be a miliar stone. Today we have android, winmo 6.5 and very probabily the new brand new WP7. We need other.?
And we must remember that also with the newest radio version, our HD2 received an increase of battey life. We have only trust in the time and in XDA Dev.
Best Regards
JWang158 said:
Spec sheet aside, the external design is just flat out disappointing and underwhelming. What happened to the aluminum unibody on the other leaked phones? Why does that not carry over to flagship device? Instead we get this tacky looking plastic back.
I mean, it's just as if HTC said, "Let's take the HD2, remove the metal on the back, and remove the buttons on the front... and give it a kickstand because people love that s**t."
I can't make judgments until I actually hold the device, but so far, it doesn't look promising.
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^this too.
i love my hd2 , unless this phone blows my hd2 away ....it aint happening ,lets see closed platform and less storage .......NOT , ill stick with my hd2
All we need is a chef to move this to our HD2!
I will absolutely stick with an HD2 over the HD3. I don't think I'm going to like WP7, so I hope someone can get that OS on the HD2, just so I can play with it. It just seems too iPhone-ish to me.
Symbian seems kind an old system with others leaving it. ATT & Windows both closed systems. Android an open system where it appears to be growing. I'm just a runt though I learned & still use windows w/my PC but my Droid 2 still not comepletly rooted works OK, so I don't see myself using a WM 7 anytime soon.
I'm really not liking how all the confirmed WP7 devices will be sporting the first gen snapdragon processor (im assuming with the underpformating Adreno 200 GPU as well). In saying that, I'm still gonna wait til it is officially unveiled, if you guys don't remember, when the HD2 was leaked, it was said to have 320mb RAM.. it ended up having 448/576 instead, so theres still some hope.
If it remains, I'll be waiting for the samsung specs to pop out, hopefully hummingbird/SGX540 CPU/GPU combo.
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If it remains, I'll be waiting for the samsung specs to pop out, hopefully hummingbird/SGX540 CPU/GPU combo.
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This is not going to happen. There's one thing that's worse than a previous generation processor though - a new processor with drivers and software that cannot use it.
If the specs are right then it looks like those of us with a HD2 will probably be able to try WP7 sooner rather than later. As I don't want a new phone to be tempting me I am pretty happy about this
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This is not going to happen. There's one thing that's worse than a previous generation processor though - a new processor with drivers and software that cannot use it.
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How do you know there aren't working drivers? They are working perfectly on Android atm at least.
(For the dreamers of the 1st Gen, I wish you best of luck).
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This is not going to happen. There's one thing that's worse than a previous generation processor though - a new processor with drivers and software that cannot use it.
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All WP7 has are minimum requirements. i.e. ARMv7 Cortex/Scorpion or better... weird since last time i checked, the QSD8250 is not from the Scorpion family, and is only loosely related to the Cortex family (so spec changes could still occur imo).
Back to the point, if the Sammy were to have the Hummingbird/SGX540 combo, it still fullfills the minimum requirements (hummingbird is an ARMv7 Cortex CPU, so WP7 should support it). Last I heard, was that OEM's were to provide the GPU drivers, so if Sammy can make it work, that'd be awesome.
It was announced that all WP7 devices will be based on the same chip initially.
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It was announced that all WP7 devices will be based on the same chip initially.
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Ouch. That's ruined my day
Just out of curiosity, how many of you are holding out on buying a new WP7 phone until 2nd generation? I know for the average user, these specs may seem amazing, but for the advanced/techy users, it seems under-powered.This is especially because they're using a 2 year old CPU when a more recent one that has better 3d performance and battery life is out in the market.
I, for one, will be holding on to my Touch Pro until 2nd generation WP7 comes out. Anyone have any idea when that will be?
would like to hold out, but the problem here is my touch pro's backspace, space, 1, tab, and fn key has basically died out on me
You should use the swype keyboard. I never went back to the physical keyboard once I started using swype.
tried it
don't really like it
i still prefer physical keys though
but yah, i'm looking to get the venue pro. but it seems to look like the tp's keyboard, and frankly, i do dread it a little
If i had a decent phone today i would wait for second gen, but i'm on an HTC Magic now, running Android 2.1 and everything is soooooooo slow i feel like throwing the phone into the wall. Can hardly scroll on this forum on the phone because it's so laggy.
Have set my eyes on an HTC Mozart.
I'll definitely be waiting for the 2nd gen. All the phones looks pretty ugly IMO, not to mention the old processors....and the AT&T selection sucks.
I'd like to wait, but my Fuze is on life support. As much as I would like for the specs to be better for this first gen of WP7 phones, they handily beat the Iphones specs and most WM phones. I am buying a gen one knowing that I will be buying a gen two next summer. I am considering my gen one as a 'get aquainted' with the OS phone while I hold out for a stunner in '11.
http://designfabulous.blogspot.com/2010/07/htc-1.html
Well, we can dream. HTC just needs to hire this guy.
I think people that hold out aren't as tech savvy sad they think.
Understand that android is optimized to run on various hardware specs. While windows phone 7 was designed for this specific hardware.
The same spec phone running both operating systems won't be comparible. The overall speed of wp7, the quality of the apps, and the games will be superior to android even after the dual core phones release.
The only thing that could bump the android back up is strong min specs of the new version of the OS and market apps that are only available to phones with those specs. Developers need to also commit to designing apps for a very small market of those top-of-the-line phones.
Those are the reasons why my rooted nexus one, car dock, and desktop dock will be on ebay within a month.
I love android, but I am always excite to test new things. After all, one could always ebay the phone and buy another extremely easily. I don't see any reason not to try wp7 unless you are locked into a contract and unwilling to buy an unsubsidized phone.
Nah I'm gonna get the HD7 as soon as my contract expires in late spring. Currently have the Moto Cliq with Android. If MS makes a Zune HD2, than I might think about getting a 64gb version of that and get the latest and greatest Android phone, Iphone, or Palm Phone.
Definitely not digging android anymore;
*sluggish, having to constantly kill apps and restart the phone
*Multiple OS fragmentation means I missing out on a lot of apps
*No app quality control (sick of buying an app thats sluggish or just plain buggy)
*No Easy Desktop Sync like Itunes or Zune
*NO AUTOMATICALLY UPDATING MUSIC PLAYLIST - A biggy for me.
Also I have a zune pass and hate having to convert my music just because Android doesn't play WMA DRM.
WP7 minimum specs aren't all that, but better than the minimum of Android which is still 528mhz processor for Android 2.1
The little angel sitting on the right shoulder is saying "Wait, wait!"
The little devil sitting on the left shoulder is saying "Get it, what are you afraid of? Offline Outlook Sync?"
Oh it is so hard!
But on a serious note, as soon as I am sure that it will Sync with Offline Outlook or I have a non cloud solution that I can trust, I will get it.
There isn't going to be an ideal phone for me in the first wave, but I'm gonna get one soon. Ideally I want the Dell Venue Pro but with Super AMOLED instead of AMOLED, and a MSM8255 SoC instead of the QSD8250's. But besides that, I think I will be happy with the Dell. "Dude, you're getting a Dell"
Also I really want WP7 to succeed. So in order to get a phone those next 2nd Gen phones with the Dual Cores and 32GB of memory, that means the 1st gen's need to succeed. So I'm gonna buy one to support my long term goals.
the QSD8250 has still more than enough horsepower to be used today. don't just look at what speeds and GPU does a processor holds but also take into the fact how well the OS utilizes the processor.
IMO its best to get the first wave. By the time the second wave hits (say this time next year), none of the apps/games will be fully utilising the power of the new processors anyway (since majority of WP7 handsets would have the QSD cpu and that'd be where the money for devs is). So you'll have all this power yet nothing to make use of it (basically like the Galaxy S). It'll take about 6 months imo til games start utilising the newer processors and run somewhat subpar on first gen devices.
So IMO that gives first-devices from launch about 18months of excellent performance, before it starts feeling 'old in the tooth'. By the time first gen buyers upgrade in approx. 24months, there'd be the third generation CPU's hitting the streets, and that'd be able to run second gen apps with ease, and the whole cycle starts again.
I'm definitely waiting until this gets jail broken. And if Htc comes out with a slide out keyboard for it. Not enough good phone options for me. When phones similar to the tilts come back wp7 has got my full attention then.
At the moment, I just can't justify giving up my HD2.
It'd be amazing if WP7 gets ported to the HD2 and I will, for sure, boot it up. I'm sceptical about some aspects of WP7 and so would like to see what impact (if any) these aspects have on my day-to-day usage.
If all goes well, then I will consider a WP7 device early next year. Hopefully, by then we'll have had a round of updates for stability issues (inevitable) and some missing features added.
So, in short, I think I'll hold out till wave 2 (or at least until the OS has settled a bit).
Casey
diego1985 said:
I'm definitely waiting until this gets jail broken. And if Htc comes out with a slide out keyboard for it. Not enough good phone options for me. When phones similar to the tilts come back wp7 has got my full attention then.
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then you should wait for the htc 7 pro this looks amazing and i don't think it will be long before someone jailbreaks it.
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Gonna get the new WP7 phone out of the gate, for sure. Then I'll be in a great position to sit back and wait for a 'dream device,' which I'm not sure will make it out before the holidays next year. If it does, I'll get it, but if not I'll have gotten my money's worth with the phone I'm going to get shortly.
I have no choice but to wait. I am on Sprint, so I can't even begin to think about getting one until they release theirs. And "sometime in 1st half of 2011" is pretty vague. So for now, I have to sit back and read about everyone's experience.
So hopefully, I will be reading good reviews.
lumpaywk said:
then you should wait for the htc 7 pro this looks amazing and i don't think it will be long before someone jailbreaks it.
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Microsoft updates WP7 so any exploits will be patched in record time.
You can prolly refuse the OTA, but it can suck if that fix is bundled with a fix/enhancement you need...
Clear ur jailbreak and get copy and paste, or go without? Lol...
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powersquad said:
the QSD8250 has still more than enough horsepower to be used today. don't just look at what speeds and GPU does a processor holds but also take into the fact how well the OS utilizes the processor.
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That's a truth with some modifications. Yes, the 8250 is more than powerful enough to run the OS and any games/apps released for it - it is however not powerful enough to playback [most] HD video and this is the reason why I'm disappointed by the current wave of devices.
I have terabyte upon terabyte of [mostly] HD video stored on my server which I am unable to view on the phone without re-encoding them. This is a process I go thru at the moment with my HD2 and I was really looking forward to a little more horsepower in WP7 devices so I could simply import then rather than spend a lot of time re-encoding them first.
Personally, I have to get a 1st wave device for development purposes, but I very much doubt it will replace my current HD2 or Evo as the day to day phone. Not only for reasons of hardware but also due to lack of services offered locally (no localized bing search, no XBL integration, no 'full' marketplace, no Zune pass and the list goes on).
Hey,
is it a good idea to wait until next year (approx. Feb) for a new WM7 Phone from HTC, or not? I do not know, if there will be a better CPU or else. I know that Qualcom will bring a new CPU Generation but it will be in 2012. And for 2011 I read something about a 1,3GHz or a DualCore 1,5GHz CPU. Is it true? Is it worth the wait?
ne0n
There is always reason to wait. If you wait for 3-4 years more you even can get a WP8 with quad core 3Hz CPU.
Wait
Wait, while Windows Phone 7 is easier to use... they've limited it like an iphone... so u gotta use Zune, no easy internet sharing, no expandable memory, etc.
Also remember that Windows Update program on your mobile... when has Microsoft EVER issued an update on it. It's worth waiting till feburary to see if Microsoft do deliver on their promise to easily allow updating of the phone OS. Also to see if they've made is a feature rich as Windows Phone 6.5 (or even 5.1 ).
New phones will prob be out in Feb too... fingers crossed they have expandable storage as thats making Windows Phone 7 a 'no, no' for me straight away... plus I'm enjoying Remote Desktop and drag and dropping of audio/video files on my TouchHD still (something you can't do on Windows Phone 7 as it works like the annoying iphone system... your forced to put everything though Zune ....) . Zune is a great program but I don't wanna reencode vids etc or Microsoft forcing me to use a particular program... I thought only Apple do that!
Anywoo, i'm babbling. Wait till Feb- new phones, you'll have a better idea of what is hacked for us power-users, you'll know if Microsoft use their own phone update system or not, and if they add expandable storage... as it looks like they've removed removable storage to make it more likely you'll pay to use their 'Zune' monthly subscription to stream it over the internet.
@agentnobo
I know, this is the reason way I say until Feb 2011. I talk about a period of a few weeks. It will be very annoying to buy a new phone and in 5 weeks there will be a next generation or something else. As an example: It wasn't important to wait for a new Core 2 Quad becaus it will be 2,88GHz and not 2,66GHz but if you buy a C2Q and 4 weeks later Intel drop the new i7 Generation it will be annoying.
@acecooper
Thx
ne0n said:
Hey,
is it a good idea to wait until next year (approx. Feb) for a new WM7 Phone from HTC, or not? I do not know, if there will be a better CPU or else. I know that Qualcom will bring a new CPU Generation but it will be in 2012. And for 2011 I read something about a 1,3GHz or a DualCore 1,5GHz CPU. Is it true? Is it worth the wait?
ne0n
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considering these phones just came out, I don't think you will see new phones in february. My guess is they may announce some things at mobile world congress but the phones probably won't make it to consumers until summer.
The phones are really fast with the current hardware. I don't see any reason to wait for new hardware right now unless you don't like any of the current phones.
I'd wait for the updates...
I'm waiting until after the promised updates arrive... I sent my Focus back to AT&T because of missing functionality and will wait to see if the issues are resolved with the updates.
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The phones are really fast with the current hardware. I don't see any reason to wait for new hardware right now unless you don't like any of the current phones.
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Maybe to get better multimedia experience (like better photo and video shoots), as usual it is always a weak point of our beloved phones...
Lol @ February, isn't the first update coming in January?
Aren't the second batch of WP7 phones (the Blackberry type) or 'chassis 2' coming in Q1 next year.
I doubt the internal spec's will change.
I will probably wait longer.
As WM user I hardly imagine working with this devices at this state,
it's not available in Poland anyway.
Today my carrier gave me X10/Android and I'm also interested in trying this
but bummer: I have to have Gmail account to use it, which I don't have (horrid!)
Probably will see new phones coming out in 3-4 months. Hardware internals will not change(processor, etc...). I'd expect to see bigger and better screens and more memory...
The bigger thing you have to ask yourself if you like windows phone 7...personally I think it completely rocks...yeah it's missing a couple of features that they have to fix but they will. I've been told there will be an update the first 2 weeks of January and continually after that.
I think MS is on to a winner, they just need to do a better job at marketing (so far I'm shocked at how bad they are doing with all the money they have) and they need HTC to put up their a-game and not release the crap they have released so far...
aquamoeba said:
Maybe to get better multimedia experience (like better photo and video shoots), as usual it is always a weak point of our beloved phones...
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Decent phones have good cameras.
Maybe you want 1080p video recording? Lol.
It's usually a weak point of the phonse becaue the phones are phones first, miniature computers second, and cameras/video recorders third.
Better to have a crappy camera than drop 20% of you calls, or have applications force closing left and right, eh?
It appears Nokia may be a standout among all the other WP7 devices in more ways than a few. Sony/Ericsson will be providing CPUs to some Nokia WP7 devices.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/02/st-ericssons-novathor-to-power-nokias-windows-phone-devices-l/
It's not Sony/Ericsson but ST-Ericsson
There is nothing that suggests this deal is exlusive to nokia as stated in the article ie other companys could also use the chip. This only means that |Nokia have confirmed they will and thus that WP7.5 will support it. I may be mistaken but supporting higher spec chips and breaking a manopoly are 2 good things. I may be wrong though.
MS can't seem to win...people complained that the 2nd generation Windows phones were a failure...yet they still complain when MS changes something...wow!
This is great news hopefully better screens will be in future WP devices.
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That is not what fragmentation means
No fragmentation to see here, this is excellent news. I won't really be happy until WP7 supports damn near everything Android does in terms of hardware. I want Tegra (which NVIDIA has said is coming also), OMAP, whatever Samsung puts out, etc.
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No fragmentation to see here, this is excellent news. I won't really be happy until WP7 supports damn near everything Android does in terms of hardware. I want Tegra (which NVIDIA has said is coming also), OMAP, whatever Samsung puts out, etc.
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I hope not. I prefer to have quality apps and games rather than the fragmented system of Android allows. Having this new CPU might mean lower quality apps and games. Devs would have to code for more than one hardware profile.
The level of abstraction in the Windows Phone SDK really doesn't allow for much in the way of low level optimization anyway. It should be write once, run anywhere with little to no effect on app quality.
MartyLK said:
I hope not. I prefer to have quality apps and games rather than the fragmented system of Android allows. Having this new CPU might mean lower quality apps and games. Devs would have to code for more than one hardware profile.
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Fragmentation is one of those words which, when it was applied to Android, took on a new meaning. Unless you have an ecosystem that only pushes out one phone a year then technically fragmentation will always exist.
But fragmentation was adopted to describe the Android phenomenon where new phones could release around the same time with different OS versions and hence different capabilities (one version has copy and paste for example) & compabitibilities (app programmed for 2.1 not compatible with 1.6), and different phones could be updated or not updated and cause the same effect.
Hardware differentiations are not usually considered fragmentation once the OS offers the user the same general functionality.
MartyLK said:
I hope not. I prefer to have quality apps and games rather than the fragmented system of Android allows. Having this new CPU might mean lower quality apps and games. Devs would have to code for more than one hardware profile.
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.NET is CPU independent, so devs do not need to care.
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Fragmentation is one of those words which, when it was applied to Android, took on a new meaning. Unless you have an ecosystem that only pushes out one phone a year then technically fragmentation will always exist.
But fragmentation was adopted to describe the Android phenomenon where new phones could release around the same time with different OS versions and hence different capabilities (one version has copy and paste for example) & compabitibilities (app programmed for 2.1 not compatible with 1.6), and different phones could be updated or not updated and cause the same effect.
Hardware differentiations are not usually considered fragmentation once the OS offers the user the same general functionality.
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Well put i would add an example of one os that nomatte what you think you have to agree avoided fragmentation and that is ios. Each year they bring out a new model that has better specs and as such the older phones end up being left behind. This will slowly happen with wp7 but to compensate MS will/should up the minimum specs from time to time to compensate. This will mean that older phones will drop off as there contract terms do and so more and more advanced features and apps can be developed without the same issues as android. This may seem bad for old devices but wp is very resorsful and so it will take a long time to drop off the back and at that point they should be obsolet anyways just like the iphone and iphone 3g are to ios. If this didnt happen you would be left at a single point unable to move forward. I would think a new min spec sheet will come with apollo though this is not to say old devices wont get it just that new hardware will have to be made ready for the next update and so on.
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Well put i would add an example of one os that nomatte what you think you have to agree avoided fragmentation and that is ios.
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I agree. Without getting anal about it (since you can still purchase a 3GS for free + contract one could nitpick that iOS does have fragmentation) the iPhone is immune to fragmentation because they only push out one phone per model year.
I think this goes against every principle of consumerism that you learn in the books, but there is no arguing it is successful for Apple. Imagine if Honda decided they were only going to offer silver, automatic, 4 door Accords with Xenon lights and a 300HP VTec engine? You would wonder if they were crazy. I do understand variations of colours in a car is an important component, but I wonder if millions of people are not sucking up a 3.5" screen iPhone so that they can own an iPhone.
I've been looking at various possible upgrade options for my Xperia Tablet Z2, and whenever I looked - I either saw OEMs selling rather underwhelming in terms of specs devices, or the ones that were even remotely atrractive got forgotten and abandoned in terms of software updates (some fated to forever officially remain on KitKat and/or Lollipop, with only saving grace being a custom ROM, if one exists in the first place)
I also was not happy when Sony announced Xperia Tablet Z4, mostly due to its ridiculous pricing and Snapdragon 810 inside, which instantly kills any device for me personally
Then, last year, Google announced this fantastic little tablet called the Pixel C. It's got perfect battery size, perfect specs, perfect screen, so generally I'd be happy with one of these (although I do wish there was a black version instead of silver metallic)....except for one thing.
The lack of an LTE-equipped version. Now we're several months into Pixel C being sold, but Google still hasn't commented nor announced one, and I don't really have much faith that they would say anything on the matter at google I/O next week
So is there any hope left for a WiFi+LTE Pixel C in the future? I really wouldn't like to abandon Android as a platform for tablet devices and switch to iOS or Windows
No...no hope. Maybe the Pixel 2. Also, idt the 810 should be a concern, because this is a tablet we're talking about, so it's easier to accomplish proper heat dissipation, which was really the only issue with the 810, albeit a big one. I have no info on whether it was properly done on the Z4 Tablet. This is just a general thought.