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Is anyone else coming "from" Android...?

I currently have the HTC EVO....and love the phone with a passion, but I don't love how basic the UI/Animations are on the phone and screen changes. It is super fast, but like all phones...it has it's buggy moments too. With the EVO I can change my UI with "home" apps like Launcher Pro which are more pleasing on the eye then the standard sense it comes with....but still lacks the smoothness and super graceful animations that WP7 comes with. The flipping tiles are just an example of some of the animations I am talking about.
Now I know that WP7 has it's short comings...but so did Android at it's launch as well as IOS, but overall it's a solid phone and super fast as well. WP7 will grow as the months and years pass, just as android did with 1.5, 2.1 and 2.2
I had to sit and think if I could do with out some of the better features the EVO has over the HD7, which is the phone I am wanting to switch to.
1. Do without the front VGA camera on the EVO (yes)
2. Do without the "8" megapixel back camera and go down to an "5" (yes)
3. Do without changing how my screen looks every bloody week, lol (yes)
4. Do without the 100,000 apps that are currently in the Android Market place (yes - as I only use several)
I guess the only thing I will really miss is the good friends I have with Androids that I play "android" games with online like wordfeud.
Am I alone in coming from what I think/thought was the best thing that ever happed to smartphone? Are there more people like me, that are switching from Android to WP7....or am I crazy insane and should stick with what I have because it truly is the best of the best?
I just wish Android could be gorgeous and sexy in it's UI as WP7 is!

I moved from a HTC Legend to a HD7. The main thing i miss is the google integration. Mainly google talk & google latitude both of which I used everyday.
Hopefully they will become available for WP7 in time.
Apart from that i'm happy i made the move. The OS is very different from android and really challenges developers to create visually engaging apps. Already lots of apps are available that weren't at launch and as the USA launch approaches I reckon the number of apps will be 2x-3x in time for xmas easily.
I love the UI and it's simplicity and simple but great animations. It really is a solid OS and although on paper it doesnt stack up against android, on a day to day practical level its perfect.

well it is all really a personal preference. I have been using WM since 5.0 (motorola Q) and had the omnia 1 and now the omnia 2. I don't really like android so I will be going to WP7 once it hits Verizon. But obviously you like the droid, but have some reservations. The question is does the lack of FULL multi-tasking, no copy/paste (until Jan) and things of that nature bother you? Obviously you have thought about those other things, so think on these, if they bother you then stick with the DROID, if not give WP7 a shot. As to whether Android is the "best of the best" that is a matter of opinion, no matter what anyone here says, so ask yourself, do YOU think android is better?

Thanks bean_ian and Omega RA....I have thought about the "no" full multi tasking and "no" copy and paste (until jan), and decided I can totally live without those & the other minor shortcomings mentioned a slew of times through out the internet and review websites.
The EVO is superior to the HD7 in many ways....but HANDS DOWN WP7 kills Android in how beautiful, simple, and easy to use the UI is! To me that is what I am buying the phone for, as I mainly use it to surf the net (for info on the go)...HUGE twitter head here, and I use Facebook alot too.
I like pretty, I will not lie...lol. Both phones, the EVO & HD7 are gorgeous body wise, but I want the VERY same when I power it on too.

I went from blackberry with the 8700, to the iphone 2g, to the iphone 3g, to the nexus one, and now to the HD7.
I have experienced all the ball-games in town and I am excited to try out the rookie.
If I dislike it, I will just go back to Android with a Tegra 2 powered phone.

Yes, I've just bought my HD7 and I'm selling my Desire.
Will use it as a gap inbetween Android 2.2 and Android 3.0 whenever that decides to come out. Let's see if the HD7 is enough to persuade me to stay with WP7 instead of selling it in about 6 months for a Android 3.0 phone..

brummiesteven said:
Yes, I've just bought my HD7 and I'm selling my Desire.
Will use it as a gap inbetween Android 2.2 and Android 3.0 whenever that decides to come out. Let's see if the HD7 is enough to persuade me to stay with WP7 instead of selling it in about 6 months for a Android 3.0 phone..
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So you are definetly happy with it "hands down" over Android 2.2? I believe I will be...but like other peoples opinion having had android.

I had a Nexus One and before that a HTC Magic.

asbessette said:
It is super fast,
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asbessette said:
but still lacks the smoothness and super graceful animations that WP7 comes with.
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Could you clarify? You seem to be contradicting yourself...?
Which animations are you on about?

AdrianK said:
Could you clarify? You seem to be contradicting yourself...?
Which animations are you on about?
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He is refering to WP7 being fast and Android though good, not as fast.

AdrianK said:
Could you clarify? You seem to be contradicting yourself...?
Which animations are you on about?
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The EVO is superfast, no doubt, 1Ghz Snap Dragon and all....but every phone regardless of "snapdragon" or not, has it's moments of buggyness.
NOT SAYING that WP7 or the HD7 will be bugless...it too has a super quick 1Ghz SnapDragon, and I'm sure will have it's glitches on the rare occasions. Point being (I guess) would be that the EVO/Android 2.2's speed is certainly "not" a factor or reason that I should to keep it, and not move to WP7.
Some animations include...the screen rotation, with android the screen just turns with no animation - BAM it's turned. With WP7 it turns fast but has a little animated wobble/bounce to it, as it settles into it's new position (very quick one so it's not obtrusive, but a nice touch) - small potatoes to most, but these little touches count to me.
Also the tiles flipping out when you touch a specific tile to "go into" that hub....the tiles fly away, and when coming back to the home screen the tiles flip back in a smooth beautiful way.
There are others, through out the phone that are seen in the slew of videos on the UI found on youtube.
There is just no real nice....smooth animation to Android. Some "home" replacements give it a try, like Launcher Pro....but it's still choppy at best.

Yea I'm migrating from android. Moto Cliq with 2.1 upgrade. Android is nice, but I sick of all the sluggishness.

diablos991 said:
I went from blackberry with the 8700, to the iphone 2g, to the iphone 3g, to the nexus one, and now to the HD7.
I have experienced all the ball-games in town and I am excited to try out the rookie.
If I dislike it, I will just go back to Android with a Tegra 2 powered phone.
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"Android with a Tegra 2 powered phone"
I heard its going to kick everything butt out of the park. I have heard a plathora of new features that its going to come out with. I just hope to do release it to market FAST.

im planning on switching as well... android is great but its looking like the next windows mobile: clunky / inconsistant UI, no guidelines on hardware or updates making it go out of control with fragmentation (different processor arquitectures, speed, screen sizes, shapes, resolutions, etc.) makes it a mess to develop for without p!ssing a few people off because of incompatbility issues, OEM's still release 1. 6 devices today, and most are currently upgrading to 2.1 (wtf? ? isnt 2. 2 the current? ?) multiple app stores, really? poor quality apps when it comes to asthetics and function compared to iOS
AND THIS IS COMING FROM AND ANDROID USER AND LOVER **sorry but thats how i see it**
WP7 really interests me since microsoft will keep tight control on hardware and software thus giving us apple-like experience, and android-like hardware choice. i also loved how they provided all drivers for the snapdragon chip as a supported processor making it use its full potential since its tighter integrated with the OS unlike android where its like a one-OS-fits-all where the lack of optimization can make the strongest cpu fall short of the snapdragon (just like apple makes theirs so silky smooth with slower cpu's than ours) xbox live integration, and great developer interest also makes me sure that it will be a success. just needs time to grow but im willing to evolve with them...

im switching but not 100% since im stock with sprint(which i can cancel) so im on a nexus one on tmo running cyano nightly 226 and ive never seen android running this fast before, cyano really killed with 226 ..anyway im not a big fan of big phones like evo(which i own lol) and tmo is offering the hd7 same size...so i might give att a try with the surround or samsung

Really glad to hear other peoples reasons for leaving the all mighty Android and switching to WP7....definetly enlightening!
I started this post because I felt in my head that I might be trying to talk myself out of switching, with all the MS haters pointing out all the minor lacking issues WP7 has...albeit, it'll all be fixed in time.
I truly want a beautiful experience when I use my phone, not just a beautiful phone being pulled out of my pocket.
I am 100% certain that I will be switching carriers and phones on November 8th when T-Mobile gets the HD7...and selling my HTC EVO. "IF" and when Android comes out with a UI that has great animation and is not so basic looking, I might be back!

I am trying to fully understand this:
A major reason for you liking WP7 is the transitions?
To each his/her own but if you got sick of changing your UI screens I believe you will eventually get really sick of the screen transitions. That was the first thing when I saw the demo that I was praying that I could turn off when I got sick of it.
I am having a hard time accepting all of the initial shortcomings the more I am seeing the end result of these shortcomings. I love the hub style screens but I am not sure if it is enough.
I may end up choosing an Android phone. Maybe the rugged Defy.

nicksti said:
I am trying to fully understand this:
A major reason for you liking WP7 is the transitions?
To each his/her own but if you got sick of changing your UI screens I believe you will eventually get really sick of the screen transitions. That was the first thing when I saw the demo that I was praying that I could turn off when I got sick of it.
I am having a hard time accepting all of the initial shortcomings the more I am seeing the end result of these shortcomings. I love the hub style screens but I am not sure if it is enough.
I may end up choosing an Android phone. Maybe the rugged Defy.
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Yes, the major reason I like WP7 over Android is the Animated transitions "throughout" the phone (not just the screen transistions) and the SMOOTH operations and function of the apps! That is just the major reason....the hubbs that have several apps combined into them is another reason, saving me time.
The functionality/smoothness of the Android UI is far from up to par with iOS and WP7...although Android crushes both is other areas, like the ability to change something. Although I like the ability to change how my home screen looks from day to day or hour to hour...at the end of the week, I'm still longing for a beautiful experience when I USE my phone, or do what I need to do on my phones OS.

krjcook said:
Yea I'm migrating from android. Moto Cliq with 2.1 upgrade. Android is nice, but I sick of all the sluggishness.
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Are you blaming Android for the sluggishness or the fact that the Cliq has a ~530MHz processor in a 1GHz world?
I'm switching to Linux because Windows 7 is just too sluggish on my PIII 900MHz.
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Personally, I won't be making the switch, but that's neither here nor there.
Most every carrier will give you a return period. It's not like you actually risk losing anything (as long as you take care of the phone). Give it a try for your two weeks (or whatever your carrier allows) and see how you like it.
Two weeks is long enough to determine if you love it or if you find the transitions to be annoying as hell when being used.
At about a week and a half, I would try going back to the Android phone for a day or two. If you're annoyed as hell by the Android phone, then keep the WP7.
If you find yourself relieved to be back with the Android phone, keep it.
If it's about even, then think to the future. Is the Android phone likely to get an upgrade (either officially or through a 3rd party ROM)? Is the WP7 likely to continue to get upgraded?
Make a pro/con for each phone & decide which one you'll ultimately be happier with.
For me, the cons for WP7 are too many, but for YOU, it might be reversed.
Ultimately, what fits you better is what you want to determine & the best way to figure that out is to compare/contrast through actual use.
I've seen a LOT of phones demo'd that have super smooth animations, but in actual use, they suck horribly once things are installed on teh phone. Since the WP7 can't multitask, this isn't likely to be such a big deal, but it might be. Actual use is really the only way to know.

I wonder how many tiles you can get on there before it gets ridiculous

WP7 owners, love it, hate it, or ...

Unlike those of us in the US, others can buy Win Phone 7 devices. So what do you think?

I have not tested it yet as mine is arriving shortly.
I think that it does look good and that Microsoft has the right idea.
The only issues that I can see with it is the SDK limitations and the general os limitations.

i love it, it has it's limitation but it will get better.

Used an HD7 for about 30 minutes in the T-Mobile store here. Smooth like butter, and it has 16GB storage.
I'm definitely leaning towards getting one.
Finally an OS that performs like one should on this hardware. Can't even imagine what performance will be like on next-gen hardware.

Up until 28th November I was an Android Fanboy - G1 when it was launched, Desire as an Upgrade.
I now actually prefer Wp7 to Android and love the fact I went and bought a HD7. My desire is now untouched, I put it on Ebay

i just played a bit with one at a t-mobile store... (htc mozart)
very smooth handling in every condition
i dont like pinch to zoom in any browser i used before (opera, safari, whatever android has...) but i like it in wp7 very much
but then there are the known limitations and some of them i realy dislike...
if there was a way to use wp7 device as mass storage my decision would be clear pro wp7...

Had it for 3 days, love it.
Blazingly fast and super solid - yes a few things are unavailable at the moment but its only been out for a matter of days.
Genuinely excited for the future of this OS.

Thanks for the replies. Sounds great. I was hoping to move away from AT&T but, if the WP7 devices are good maybe I will stay with them.
BTW, does anyone have a standalone Zune and care to compare the functionality of the WP7? I have a Zune 80 and love the Zune Marketplace and Zune client.

Love it as well. I miss the the messaging apps available on iOS and Android and some apps are a bit slow to launch, but it is a polished OS especially for a 1.0 with a lot of attention to detail taken on it. In a way it makes Android look like a toy, Aesthetics wise, and it is much smoother natively.

agreed with the ones above, had my HTC Trophy for over 2 days now and i'm really liking it. I see the Trophy as the base model for all Windows Phones. There is no stand out feature in this phone at all, it's all minimum spec, but it works... exceptionally! Games are a little slow on loading, but that's ok, the gameplay itself is fine. This limitation is due to the use of microSD (which you'll probably see in the other HTC phones). But I don't plan on voiding my warranty, and my carrier throws an extra year on top, so i have 2 years warranty. I don't use it for music all that much as i'm more of a radio listener... and let me tell you, when i fired up the radio for the first time this morning... man was it a really nicely designed radio. Simple, only get a bar with the radio frequency on top, and you just scroll left/right, and find the frequency you want. Favourite it, and done. SO NICE!

hmm looks like im really gonna have to get this lol

all good comments.. i suppose to have my HD7 with me right now but my friend could not pick it up in singapore for me... now i have to wait till dec 1st as i cant make it to SG till then..

I LOVE IT. its that simple. There is a few very tiny glitches but i had that with android blackberry and sare i say it ios as well. I do have a couple of poiunts for a few people that moan about some missing features though.
Mass storage - why oh why would you want to use your phone for this i don't get it? the memory inside is for the phone not your pc. Get a memory stick they cost about £20 and will sit on your keyring they are faster and easier to use.
Flash - this is coming very soon adobe and Microsoft have confirmed this.
Copy paste - as above (i suspect the January update for both though flash may come as its own download)
Multitasking - just a battery drain and all the main features do this anyway, the phone is quick at swapping between apps. I don't get why you would want to multi-task beyond what it already does if anyone can give me a good example i will retract that but so far its just "cos we like it that we can" i personally prefer a battery that lasts unlike the desire.
removable storage - once again why would you want this? I have an idea don't buy a load of small cards just get one good one. You can argue that the on board amounts given at launch are poor (i to stated this) BUT, America will get the focus this can be upgraded so to can the dell. The HD7 can be also if you don't mind getting under the back cover. I suspect as with the hd7 we will find others. So there are options even for the most data intensive. Your phone is not a memory stick people.
I personally think wp7 has it right esp for a brand new os that has not even had, dare i call the January update this, service pack 1. I don't like to say i will never touch things again because the world is constantly changing but i will say for now i am so glad i sold my desire and got a hd7 it beats anything else hands down.

I just realized i was so busy fending the so called downsides i forgot to look at why wp7 is the best.
Xbox live - this is so good it makes my nuts tingle though it was a lil slow at first once it has had chance to sync everything up it is amazing. I can see all my avatar stuff in 3d i can see my mates avatars in 3d i can compare gamer scores, i can earn achievements on games i can send messages to my live friends and see what they are doing. Basically all the same stuff i can do on my xbox but on a phone. Plus they will soon have multilayer games not just turn by turn and intergration into actual xbox games.
Zune - By far and away the best music/media experience you can get. Makes iphone look old and rubbish. I have loved Zune since i got my zune hd imported last year. Zune software is easier to use then itunes. It is far better at managing your media and is so good at getting the track data. Plus unlike itunes if it cant find it automatically you can just find it yourself easy as and make sure all the tracks have the right names with a no fuss at all. Put it this way my itunes on my mac has about 80% of the right art my zune has 100% (and for about 8 months i had to use the mac as my main pc due to frying my motherboard so it is nothing to do with me not careing about getting it sorted).
Hubs/live tile - just genius i hardly use my facebook app as i don't need to my friends are asy to contact and find and my pictures are all in one place. Yeah you can collect data together on android but until you have used a wp7, and i do say if your unsure go to the store and play, its hard to explain why its so much better but it just is. updates are right there on the home screen and even the lock screen.
Speed/transactions - This is a zippy os everything is smooth and looks sexy, this isnt a big point for many people i know but, there is no better feeling then when showing someone an email or a text or anything on your phone and it flys there but at the same time looks like something from minority report.

The phone is fantastic. The system is very smooth! The zune feature wit zune pass is great. One thing though, notification sounds for txt and email are very, very quiet (HD7). I can hardly hear them

robart76 said:
The phone is fantastic. The system is very smooth! The zune feature wit zune pass is great. One thing though, notification sounds for txt and email are very, very quiet (HD7). I can hardly hear them
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have you updated the audio controller from htc as it may be coincidence but i thought it was quieter before i did that.

lumpaywk said:
Multitasking - just a battery drain and all the main features do this anyway, the phone is quick at swapping between apps. I don't get why you would want to multi-task beyond what it already does if anyone can give me a good example i will retract that but so far its just "cos we like it that we can" i personally prefer a battery that lasts unlike the desire.
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I disagree. There are cases where multitasking would help, one area would be instant messaging. Also, I have looked at most reviews out there and battery life is on par with similarly specced Android devices. For example, the HD7 vs. EVO/Desire HD. Even my developer WP7 devices battery lasts around the same time as my Captivate.
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There is no denying the fact that multitasking would help in many cases. I am glad that MS never said they wouldn't allow 3rd party aps to multitask. I am sure it's already in development... may be being tested as we speak

Went from HTC to Samsung Focus, so far i do love the smoothness and speed. Active tiles are a huge plus and can see where this can be beneficial in various ways. Only 'major' things needed is tethering or turning the phone into a WiFi Hotspot (and would like bluetooth rSAP support).

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I disagree. There are cases where multitasking would help, one area would be instant messaging. Also, I have looked at most reviews out there and battery life is on par with similarly specced Android devices. For example, the HD7 vs. EVO/Desire HD. Even my developer WP7 devices battery lasts around the same time as my Captivate.
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You're wrong.
With Push Messaging, you get you IMs without the app even running. Multitasking IM applications is a huge waste of battery.
Do you even have a clue what you're talking about?
Also, the HD7 has a weak battery in it. It's around 1230 mAh, IIRC. Most decent phones have 1500 mAh batteries in them. Check that before you make a comparison. Also, use patterns on the two phones may not be identical. It's almost impossible to conduct a decent test for battery life outside of a controlled environment.

[Q] Wait until Feb 2011 for a new WM7 Phone?

Hey,
is it a good idea to wait until next year (approx. Feb) for a new WM7 Phone from HTC, or not? I do not know, if there will be a better CPU or else. I know that Qualcom will bring a new CPU Generation but it will be in 2012. And for 2011 I read something about a 1,3GHz or a DualCore 1,5GHz CPU. Is it true? Is it worth the wait?
ne0n

There is always reason to wait. If you wait for 3-4 years more you even can get a WP8 with quad core 3Hz CPU.

Wait
Wait, while Windows Phone 7 is easier to use... they've limited it like an iphone... so u gotta use Zune, no easy internet sharing, no expandable memory, etc.
Also remember that Windows Update program on your mobile... when has Microsoft EVER issued an update on it. It's worth waiting till feburary to see if Microsoft do deliver on their promise to easily allow updating of the phone OS. Also to see if they've made is a feature rich as Windows Phone 6.5 (or even 5.1 ).
New phones will prob be out in Feb too... fingers crossed they have expandable storage as thats making Windows Phone 7 a 'no, no' for me straight away... plus I'm enjoying Remote Desktop and drag and dropping of audio/video files on my TouchHD still (something you can't do on Windows Phone 7 as it works like the annoying iphone system... your forced to put everything though Zune ....) . Zune is a great program but I don't wanna reencode vids etc or Microsoft forcing me to use a particular program... I thought only Apple do that!
Anywoo, i'm babbling. Wait till Feb- new phones, you'll have a better idea of what is hacked for us power-users, you'll know if Microsoft use their own phone update system or not, and if they add expandable storage... as it looks like they've removed removable storage to make it more likely you'll pay to use their 'Zune' monthly subscription to stream it over the internet.

@agentnobo
I know, this is the reason way I say until Feb 2011. I talk about a period of a few weeks. It will be very annoying to buy a new phone and in 5 weeks there will be a next generation or something else. As an example: It wasn't important to wait for a new Core 2 Quad becaus it will be 2,88GHz and not 2,66GHz but if you buy a C2Q and 4 weeks later Intel drop the new i7 Generation it will be annoying.
@acecooper
Thx

ne0n said:
Hey,
is it a good idea to wait until next year (approx. Feb) for a new WM7 Phone from HTC, or not? I do not know, if there will be a better CPU or else. I know that Qualcom will bring a new CPU Generation but it will be in 2012. And for 2011 I read something about a 1,3GHz or a DualCore 1,5GHz CPU. Is it true? Is it worth the wait?
ne0n
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considering these phones just came out, I don't think you will see new phones in february. My guess is they may announce some things at mobile world congress but the phones probably won't make it to consumers until summer.

The phones are really fast with the current hardware. I don't see any reason to wait for new hardware right now unless you don't like any of the current phones.

I'd wait for the updates...
I'm waiting until after the promised updates arrive... I sent my Focus back to AT&T because of missing functionality and will wait to see if the issues are resolved with the updates.

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The phones are really fast with the current hardware. I don't see any reason to wait for new hardware right now unless you don't like any of the current phones.
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Maybe to get better multimedia experience (like better photo and video shoots), as usual it is always a weak point of our beloved phones...

Lol @ February, isn't the first update coming in January?

Aren't the second batch of WP7 phones (the Blackberry type) or 'chassis 2' coming in Q1 next year.
I doubt the internal spec's will change.

I will probably wait longer.
As WM user I hardly imagine working with this devices at this state,
it's not available in Poland anyway.
Today my carrier gave me X10/Android and I'm also interested in trying this
but bummer: I have to have Gmail account to use it, which I don't have (horrid!)

Probably will see new phones coming out in 3-4 months. Hardware internals will not change(processor, etc...). I'd expect to see bigger and better screens and more memory...
The bigger thing you have to ask yourself if you like windows phone 7...personally I think it completely rocks...yeah it's missing a couple of features that they have to fix but they will. I've been told there will be an update the first 2 weeks of January and continually after that.
I think MS is on to a winner, they just need to do a better job at marketing (so far I'm shocked at how bad they are doing with all the money they have) and they need HTC to put up their a-game and not release the crap they have released so far...

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Maybe to get better multimedia experience (like better photo and video shoots), as usual it is always a weak point of our beloved phones...
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Decent phones have good cameras.
Maybe you want 1080p video recording? Lol.
It's usually a weak point of the phonse becaue the phones are phones first, miniature computers second, and cameras/video recorders third.
Better to have a crappy camera than drop 20% of you calls, or have applications force closing left and right, eh?

[Q] What would you like to see in the next HTC Phone?

What would you like to see in the next HTC Phone? Choose? And also post what you would like to see and have.

Good hardware. I.e., a camera sensor that doesn't suck, use of NAND rather than SD card for storage, screens which doesn't look washed out.
HTC has a lot of stepping up to do for me to consider another device from them. I was pretty happy with my HD2, but the HD7 I initially picked up went back to the store real quick. In the end I ended up with the Omnia 7 from Samsung instead.

Hardware
I switched for the first time from HTC, couldn't accept the Surround. Get rid of that rediculous speaker setup and replace it with their great keyboard. At least a 4.3" screen equal to the Super AMOLED of the Samsung Focus, maximum amount of internal memory (32GB would be fine with me), HDMI port.

I would vote for 32GB+ NAND flash for sure, all other things aren't important as far as I'm concerned.
More importantly, I'd like to see more than one next HTC WP7 phone (just as Samsung phones, and phones from other OEMs).
Because at this point of time, sales numbers for the next few quarters will determine the fate of WP7. And without phones you won't get those numbers. None of the OEMs is or will be capable of making just one phone that'll drive the OS forward.
No matter how much MS will talk about "sales aren't important" and "we're in it for the long haul", they are facing lots of pressure from investors, this isn't the time of XBox launch. Unlike many, I don't think that the launch was a failure (getting 2% of smartphone sales is awesome with so few devices and on half the carriers), but MS will need to ramp it up aggressively, and it can't be done by ads alone no matter how much they spend.
That there are no leaks with MWC looming is troubling.

Tegra 2, lots of NAND, 4" SLCD.

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That there are no leaks with MWC looming is troubling.
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Agreed. During the initial launch we knew about pretty much every phone that was going to be released by this point. The only thing I've seen this time around is that Asus phone.
As for what I'd want in the next phone, physical buttons and half-decent build quality.

Microsoft knows that it has a major uphill battle. Most phone sales are due to word of mouth (a friend has one and loves/hates it) over TV ads. Windows Mobile had a bad rap when compared to Android and the iPhoney, due to its lack of upgrades.
Microsoft needs to blow the lid off this, work with providers to make KICK ASS phones that people want for fair prices.
As for HTC phones, anything over a 4.3" display is getting a little too big (don't people keep their phones in their pockets ?)for a phone. This is getting into the tablet area but, if there is NO QWERTY keyboard, the display MUST be at least 4"
Fast, "great quality, good sized display", modern tech (DLNA, FM, A-GPS, NFC...etc), QWERTY keyboard with a small form factor. If HTC has it, great, if someone else, maybe then it's for me.
I was loyal to HTC for a while but, I have had some crappy phones, so I am open to try others to see how good they are.

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I was loyal to HTC for a while but, I have had some crappy phones, so I am open to try others to see how good they are.
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The great thing about WP7 is that it doesn't really matter (shhh, don't tell OEMs). It makes a huge difference. My Mozart is the first HTC phone I've had that doesn't need a new ROM. It's marvellous what no OEM software does to a phone.

vangrieg said:
The great thing about WP7 is that it doesn't really matter (shhh, don't tell OEMs). It makes a huge difference. My Mozart is the first HTC phone I've had that doesn't need a new ROM. It's marvellous what no OEM software does to a phone.
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Was not talking about Software, I was talking about hardware (I had 12 XV6800s...YES, 12, because they would always break)

A decent fast keyboard device please!!!!!

orb3000 said:
A decent fast keyboard device please!!!!!
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let me drop a nice link for you then
http://www.htc.com/www/product/7pro/overview.html

To the OP:
You should change the QuadBand World Phone to Pentaband 3G. That's what should become the new standard for high end phones at this point.

I want dual core processor, 1gb RAM, better camera sensor/software and a hardware keyboard in a device with a 4" SLCD. Maybe one with LTE support
Problem HTC?

1. higher class of hardware (screen, speaker...)
2. a real IO port for using external addons (TV-out, IR remote control, bio sensors...)

Don't know what you've got, til it's gone.

Okay, so it's not gone but the half hour I was forced to spend with android was miserable. Today, despite my better suggestions, my cousin bought a GN. He's not much of a techie, so he asked me to flash android revolution onto his device. Okay, rom-flashing, I used to be an addict. I took his phone, tinkered around, and physically cringed at the sight of the lag. I struggled past my initial disgust, I mean I had to attempt to improve the mess he got himself into. So, I get on the comp, download the files, and realize just how tedious all of this is. I do everything, get it flashed, hand it back to him. I don't care to see it, I feel violated enough having done that. I had to preserve the sanctity of my smartphone integrity. He takes it back and is in awe, so, he shows me how much faster it is. I suppose that I'm spoiled by quality, but it seemed slow even then. Hardly any smoother. I mean, I honestly think the first Gen trophy would have been better, he said the rep told them they haven't carried a windows phone in 3 years. Verizon really needs some better options, I hastily rushed back to the warm confines of my functional OS with suggestions to just utilize buyers remorse and pick up a focus S, a noteworthy upgrade. After using my WP7 before he was sold, but ATT sucks in his region.

I have the same experience from a slightly different angle. I am a big wp7 fan and currently tote an HTC titan which I love. I also had an ipad, my sister had a Motorola XOOM, she is a big fan of apple stuff so suggested we swap tablets, I agreed and am now the proud(?) Owner of a XOOM, and the thing drives me nuts, it lags, the browsing experience is laggy and horrible, the keyboard lags in the browser the interface is messy, I loathe the bloody thing but my sister will not swap back. People keep telling me I should flash the latest nightly eos ics version on my XOOM, but I run my own 24/7 business and don't have enough hours in the day to spend mucking about with something that should not deliver this sort of experience out of the box. On the upside, it supports flash so it is good for the bbc player, for everything else, I use my titan.

I find the OP a bit too convenient, I've used a GN and it was a great experience. I have no idea why you would want to flash that phone!
Now if this was the Verizon GN then it's no secret that this is Verizon's doing, you can read about it on any tech website. So in that case the mistake would be investing in anything other than the unlock GN, nothing to do with the actual "real" device or ICS.
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@adesonic I suggest you swap back the tablets in her sleep. WP is great but as far as tablets go, there's the iPad and the rest. I'm not even sure ICS on the Xoom would make it that much better.
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Honestly, i know exactly how refreshing it is to use a WP7 device coming from months of nerd raging, flashing and all sort of sufferings. Now i'm a 24/7 WP7 user and i feel fine with this, BUT: don't you ever phisically cringe whenever you have to plug your phone to a pc just in order to sideload an app? Ok, you shouldn't need that often, but what about multitasking? Don't you ever phisically cringe when you, for example, are using both the XDA App (painful to use on WP7 to say the least) and the browser, and when switching between the two you have to stare for a few seconds at a black loading screen before the XDA App reloads, generally wiping the text you just typed? What about having to pay in order to have a decent YouTube app on your phone? What about having to pay in order to have a decent gps navigation experience (unless you're on a Nokia device)? Both worlds are painful at some extent. Right now for my kind of usage it's way less painful to use a WP7 device, but you cannot expect that every single user will feel the same: we all have different needs.
On a side note, guess what kind of users are generally browsing XDA right now? I'll better take cover before another troll war starts rocking the topic...

Android's for customizing and hacking... out of the box, it's colorful bull****. If I would have to use TouchWiz or that LG-UI everyday, it would drive me insane!
I have a Samsung Omnia 7 (Stock ofc, but with some hacks e.g. tethering) , Samsung Galaxy SII (MIUI) and an Asus Eee Pad Transformer (revolver ROM). The device I use regularly is, as you might be able to guess, the Omnia 7.
The Transformer is only used as an E-Reader and for Movies (but it does that quite good!), the Galaxy SII is for flashing around and customizing. Not even music or anything on it, call me crazy
And my Windows Phone, well thats to actually get the work done.

Again the GN is pure android out of the box (unless it's from Verizon) and it works great. Since that's the phone mentioned in the OP I have to defend it. I would still rather buy a Lumia 900 or Focus S if they were sold in Europe but I can recognise ICS as a great OS.
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z33dev33l said:
Okay, so it's not gone but the half hour I was forced to spend with android was miserable. Today, despite my better suggestions, my cousin bought a GN. He's not much of a techie, so he asked me to flash android revolution onto his device. Okay, rom-flashing, I used to be an addict. I took his phone, tinkered around, and physically cringed at the sight of the lag. I struggled past my initial disgust, I mean I had to attempt to improve the mess he got himself into. So, I get on the comp, download the files, and realize just how tedious all of this is. I do everything, get it flashed, hand it back to him. I don't care to see it, I feel violated enough having done that. I had to preserve the sanctity of my smartphone integrity. He takes it back and is in awe, so, he shows me how much faster it is. I suppose that I'm spoiled by quality, but it seemed slow even then. Hardly any smoother. I mean, I honestly think the first Gen trophy would have been better, he said the rep told them they haven't carried a windows phone in 3 years. Verizon really needs some better options, I hastily rushed back to the warm confines of my functional OS with suggestions to just utilize buyers remorse and pick up a focus S, a noteworthy upgrade. After using my WP7 before he was sold, but ATT sucks in his region.
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What is a "GN" ? Did he also sign a contract for a piece of hardware, or can he use whatever he finds on craigslist with his carrier ?
Apparently there are wp devices being sold, I see one or two a week on my local craigslist.

How convenient, Zee can't answer his lies in the Q&A forum, so he comes here for confirmations.
Smh, i tested my Nexus S against a Focus S, and my Nexus S running stock ICS not modded in anyway was smoother at everything. Shocking! ICS is really astonishing.
Also the 720p display on the GN is forcing the GPU to work 2.4x harder.
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I've seen a lot of reviews of gn and haven't seen any lag. Are you sure it was the Samsung galaxy nexus ?
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karan1203 said:
I've seen a lot of reviews of gn and haven't seen any lag. Are you sure it was the Samsung galaxy nexus ?
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http://www.bgr.com/2012/01/16/galaxy-nexus-users-plagued-by-random-reboots/
This was posted 6 minutes before your post.

A lot of people don't mention the GN's lag because they're comparing it to other android phones. 3 or 4 years in and google still can't create a gpu accelerated UI? Tragic.

vetvito said:
How convenient, Zee can't answer his lies in the Q&A forum, so he comes here for confirmations.
Smh, i tested my Nexus S against a Focus S, and my Nexus S running stock ICS not modded in anyway was smoother at everything. Shocking! ICS is really astonishing.
Also the 720p display on the GN is forcing the GPU to work 2.4x harder.
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Focus S against Nexus S? kidding me?
Do a Nexus S vs Titan.

drupad2drupad said:
Focus S against Nexus S? kidding me?
Do a Nexus S vs Titan.
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He also mentioned android's new hardware accelerated UI in the other thread -_-... At the rate they're going, that'll be coming around when they're running through the alphabet for names a second time.

The Galaxy Nexus is amazing. Its smooth and the UI is incredible. I absolutely love the face that it has soft.buttons, and they made multitasking amazing in it.
But I cannot use a phone that big, ever. Its truly huge. Also the camera leaves something to be desired.
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drupad2drupad said:
Focus S against Nexus S? kidding me?
Do a Nexus S vs Titan.
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Does that really matter? I don't think that the additional 100 MHz packed by the Titan would matter that much. Anyway, be it smooth or not in the UI, it's quite sure the Nexus S won't be as consistent as a WP7 device (regardless the hardware) in terms of smoothness throughout all the OS and especially when using third party apps.

Answer Android UI is hardware accelerates. Why does Z need to tell Android shards to validate his choice of Windows Phone?
Polly gonna go in carrier stores play more tomorrow abduction thwarting Windows probes are thwarting only ones I'm sure I won't touch because if you have a first gen device there's almost no reason ti buy a new one anyways.
Played with all the AT&T new Windows phones. They didn't incite or when interest me.
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The OP is talking about lags and having to root to make it better, your post is about the size and camera....troll much?
EDIT: he changed his post right quick!

N8ter said:
Answer Android UI is hardware accelerates. Why does Z need to tell Android shards to validate his choice of Windows Phone?
Polly gonna go in carrier stores play more tomorrow abduction thwarting Windows probes are thwarting only ones I'm sure I won't touch because if you have a first gen device there's almost no reason ti buy a new one anyways.
Played with all the AT&T new Windows phones. They didn't incite or when interest me.
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Even most android fanboys aren't lying about the addition of hardware acceleration.
While I'm happy with my Lumia 800 and focus flash (titan broke, damn HTC and their crappy build quality) perhaps you should wait for the lumia 900. I wish I could've gotten some hands on time with that marvel of cellular technology at CES.

It is hardware accellerated. Stop living in 2010.
The UI latency you keep bringing up is invisible to most consumers and really, I didn't notice it when I spent over an hour in every carrier store Saturday morning/afternoon and played with the Galaxy Nexus. The UI is amazing, and it's smooth as hell. It also has 32GB internal storage and treats it the same as WP7 and iOS (everything on the same storage, no more small App partitions). It's an amazing device. I just think it's too damn big. Updates come way faster to the Galaxy Nexus than to any Windows Phone. With Android having a good UI now, I'm actually considering getting that device (I had sort of sworn off of it after the Vibrant, which is why I got the HD7). Android 4.0 has Native MTP support as well, which negates the need for USB MS as the device can sync natively to Windows Media Player (Music, Podcasts, Pictures, Video) - something not even WP7 can do (needs a redundant app for that). That has always been a negative for Android, but it's gone now...
The Lumia 900 will have the same crappy hardware as basically every other Mango device, it will just be huge, use a now "getting kind of old/overused" design, and have LTE - which isn't even available to most people here (so waste battery life for a capability that isn't possible to use, thanks but no thanks). It will even still have a WVGA resolution in a qHD and (becoming) 720p world, which looked terrible as all hell on the Titan screen when I played with it (made the Focus Flash screen look like a Retina Display by comparison).
The main issue is the OS, the device builds are not top notch but that's a different beast. The OS has grown boring to me, and I will be forced to carry 3 devices if I continue to use WP7. That's become unacceptable to me. I'm going to another platform so I can either use one device (if iPhone, I can ditch my iTouch and Android phone) or two (if Android, then I can carry my Android device and my tiny iPod Touch) instead of the situation I'm in now. I'm leaning towards iPhone, because of iMessage, FaceTime, and the fact that 80% of the people I know use iPhones now.
And yes, HTC is notorious for their crappy build quality. The only value they bought to Android was Sense, back when the Android UI was TRULY terrible. Other than that, their devices aren't anything to write home about.
The only area of pause with the Galaxy Nexus is the Camera and lack of a Camera Shutter button.
T-Mobile 3G here is giving me edge speeds with a full 3G signal, so I need to switch carriers next month when I switch phones, as well. I'm tired of their terrible network. Went home for a week last week and couldn't even make a call 90% of the time, or send a text. Had almost no reception. They should have let AT&T buy them.