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I posted this in the HD7 board but didn't get much feedback, so I'm reposting it here.
Ok guys I have a Samsung Vibrant, running a Team Whiskey rom and am pretty active in that forum, but I'd like to hear some input on plusses and minuses of this OS compared to Android. I've been solely android since G1 and was a Windows mobile user prior to that, Wing, so Tmo. I have an opportunity to get this device and just wanted some friendly input. Just a side note I've handled that device and I'm in love with the form factor. Also 2 core Androids are around the corner so I need some convincing. Thanks in advance.
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WP7 just works. You dont have to add any additional bloatware and mod the hell out of it just to get a functional phone. It works out of the box. I've had to do a battery pull once and I have 5 WP7 devices. Also dual-core or not android will still have a lot more lag and fragmentation due to a UI thats not GPU accelerated so android just seems ridiculously slow by comparison. The market isnt as big yet (of course) but what we do have is quality. You dont have to wade through 1000s of girls in bikini wallpaper apps just to ind a gem. All in all its a matter of quality over quantity, android was meant to be a low end UI and putting it on upper end devices is just.... overkill..
Here are a few reasons why I think that WP7 is awesome:
Multiple hardware options.
Xbox Live integration.
No stupid extra UI skins.
Optimized hardware and software.
Awesome UI.
Cheap but good applications.
I use WP7 after big struggle - which OS to choose after WM6.5
And I also tested Android.
Why did I choose WP7?
Well, mostly because UI is very stable, superfluid and doesn't have annoying amount of graphic elements and colours. It is intuitive and organic. From this perspective this is what I was waiting for.
The other factors for me were: mostly excellent email client, built in Office with OneNote integrated online, sync with Hotmail/WLive which I use for years, integation with Outlook.
As you will look at this forum, huge amount of things are also missing on WP7.
In my case, I am willing to stay with WP7 only if MS will bring soon things which make this OS simply ridiculous right now. I can wait because what is on WP7 is often brilliant.
But the current set of features and limitations is make me observe the market. If in few months situation will not change vastly or we won't have a serious roadmap of improvements, I will be forced to shift to Android. SE Arc is very encouraging, and Android offers much much more in some areas.
I hope that helps a bit.
z33dev33l said:
WP7 just works. You dont have to add any additional bloatware and mod the hell out of it just to get a functional phone. It works out of the box. I've had to do a battery pull once and I have 5 WP7 devices. Also dual-core or not android will still have a lot more lag and fragmentation due to a UI thats not GPU accelerated so android just seems ridiculously slow by comparison. The market isnt as big yet (of course) but what we do have is quality. You dont have to wade through 1000s of girls in bikini wallpaper apps just to ind a gem. All in all its a matter of quality over quantity, android was meant to be a low end UI and putting it on upper end devices is just.... overkill..
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WP7 works well when accept a crapton of defficiencies and limitations.
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Things I don't like about windows phone 7.
1. No multitasking. Takes too long to switch between applications. Every application has to reload all the time which is time consuming.
2. Sometimes when you hit back in IE, it takes you out of the app, instead of the previous page.
3. Marketplace is still lacking. The developers are charging way too much for their apps. Everything is expensive. It seems like every developer is just trying to make a quick buck which I don't mind if the application is deserving, but I see a lot of crap simple apps that are paid.
4. No separate volume controls for regular ringer and media volume.
5. No flash, period.
6. Xbox live games are not Xbox live games that you can multiplayer with (exception being UNO). The only benefit of the games is achievements, the graphics are good but not xbla good. They're not even the same game as in the Xbox. For example ilomilo is two different versions from what I can tell.
7. Bing maps does not hold a candle to Google maps. It won't reroute your directions if you take a wrong turn.
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WP7 works well when accept a crapton of defficiencies and limitations.
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This brought absolutely nothing to the table except possibly making you feel better by venting. Please, keep this thread civil and productive. The other threads have been on point and positive, let's keep it this way so we don't get this thread shut down.
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This brought absolutely nothing to the table except possibly making you feel better by venting. Please, keep this thread civil and productive. The other threads have been on point and positive, let's keep it this way so we don't get this thread shut down.
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Talk about irony, you just did the exact same thing. However what he stated brought something to the table, yours however didn't.
Really????
vetvito said:
Talk about irony, you just did the exact same thing. However what he stated brought something to the table, yours however didn't.
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I have seen 4 of these threads shut down because they got hijacked. Comments like the one quoted started the hijacking. I'll say no more but watch this closely to make sure that it doesn't become the fifth shut down by the mods. I learned a great deal from the other four and was really upset that a couple of WP haters caused the threads to be shut down. My choice was between an Android and WP7 device, coming from a WM6.5. I want to hear what others thought when they made their decisions.
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The same could be said about any OS. I do prefer no C&P and no multi-tasking to fragmentation and no GPU accelerated UI. I call that a fair trade-off
I have used WP7 for about two months until I went back to Android and I give nothing but recognition to the baby OS. Out of the box, like many have said, "It just works." WP7 with social integration is probably the best you'll see out of any phone. Their facebook "app" totally outpaces Android's. The lag on the OS is practically non-existent and it truly offers the "put down your phone and enjoy life" slogan. You don't need custom ROMS, blah blah, etc to have the phone perform at full functionality. For things such as copy and paste, I've never used it on a phone and for me it's not a factor, maybe for someone else though.
If you've used Android before and are converting to WP7, you might miss a lot of things such as the choice to have your own background, different launchers such as Launcher Pro, ADW and your choice of ring-tones. The one thing I didn't like WP7 is the fact that I had to use Zune software to sync my music. I'm the type that likes to plug it into the computer and drag my files without any type of software. Android definitely gives a bigger advantage when it comes to user customization. Maybe in time, MS will let WP7 users do that but as for right now, it's fine if you're not major on backgrounds, ring-tones, etc.
All in all, I like WP7 for what it is and I'm not complaining for it doesn't have.
agree,, the system just works,,simple and fast..
minor things need to be fixed or update though
i would think wp7's rival is ios,,not android...ios is also simple and target to the high end user specifically.
Both of them have their pluses and minuses.
Android Good
-Very Customizable.
-Great support from Devs.
-Always Something new
-Open Source.
-Growing more and more.
Android Bad
-It's open source, which I'll explain this one. Open source itself is not bad, but what makes it bad is anyone could write certain apks and file systems into Android that have access to the network of your phone to send out your data to random companies or people around the world. The worst part about it is, it's listed in what the app modifies and uses on your phone, in the download screen of the market. People don't read it, I'm not blaming Open Source for that either. But the way it is, it makes it easy for people to write anything to give away information.
-Fragmentation. This is a bad one indeed, because some companies update their phones on a timely basis. HTC does, and Motorola does with their high end phones.(High end phones, this leaves out smaller phones) However, some phones aren't updated to a higher build because some of them really don't need to. The Devour on Verizon is on 1.6, but is a texting social app phone, running an arm11 cpu I believe. That's all it really needs. But Samsung is bad on all types of updates, or even when they update it, it doesn't run great. This is both Motorola, and Samsung at fault.
-Rooting. This is a touchy subject, because a lot of phones are rooted to make better. But there are some phones that almost need to be rooted for support, and current updates. The Samsung Moment is a great example of this, terrible performance, had to be rooted just to work decently. Or there are phones that could run newer updates, but phone manufactures choose not to update them. G1, Hero, Eris, they could all run 2.2 just fine.
-Bloatware! you know what I mean.
I'm not gonna say that a not having a hardware accelerated ui is a disadvantage, because a lot of the higher end android phones run the ui pretty smooth. Even low end ones can run Launcher Pro really well.
WP7 Goods
-Simple
-Very nice for social apps
-Xbox live
-I like the UI a lot!
WP7 bad
-It's a new system. Meaning there isn't a lot of backing and support and development compared to Android. App selection isn't as big either, but not a big deal really. A lot of apps in Android market aren't even used.
-This is geared toward the way WP7 is designed, and the phones too. You cannot change your microsd card to a faster, or bigger one, and if you can you void the warranty. Before anybody brings up the Nexus S, the Nexus S is one phone, designed by Google and Samsung. Not every Android phone is designed by Google and Samsung.
-3 button requirement, The HD2 and the TG01 could both run WP7 no problem. Granted, we have a WP7 build on the HD2, but you need to crack it basically to use Live services. Hell, the HD7 is basically a redesigned HD2.
-This one is a gripe of mine, networks!!!!! WP7 is still not available on all the networks that are major in the States. Both Tmobile and AT&T are garbage in my area.
-Customization, this one I don't find as a big deal with WP7, I like the UI. I think it's great, why fix what isn't broken? But I know some people really count this as a buying decision on a phone.
All and all, I say you can't go wrong with either platform. Android is a very flexible system, while WP7 is a system where it just works. Android is open source, so it's bound to have problems with devices that just run in software mode, where as WP7 is mostly controlled so performance wouldn't be an issue with that.
I went from WP7 to Android. My previous phone was a blackberry.
Biggest things I liked about WP7 was how quickly it allowed me to do things. Most apps and tasks felt like a click or two away, and the software keyboard is the best bar none.
On Android the ability to do things is huge, finally got my yahoo im app, google navigator and a market place rich with feature apps. While I feel the android UI is cluttered and ugly it's just stronger in terms of what the phone is capable of. WP7 felt like a lot of wasted power.. it can certainly do more. it's mindboggling why it's so restricted.
I thank you all for your input! I'd love to hear more opinions.
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Android does all I need and works sufficiently well. WP7 is smooth, clean and efficient, but doesn't provide the needed functionality. I choose Android.
Android:
Pros
- Multitasking
- C&P
- Large Marketplace
- Great Devs for Multiple Devices
- Open Source
- Incredibly Customizable
- Lots of hardware choices
- Google Integration
- Downloadable launchers to get rid of overlays like MotoBlur
- Flash 10.1 (For Froyo and above)
- Great alternative browsers like SkyFire
- Ability to use phone as a mass storage device
Cons
- Not as smooth as iOS or WP7 but nothing to whine about.
- Fragmentation (Not a problem if you root, but it exists for normal users.)
- C&P functions in too many different ways depending on where you are.
- Non Streamlined UI
- Can't uninstall bloatware without root.
Windows Phone 7
Pros
- Very responsive UI
- All devices upgradeable through Zune simultaneously.
- Streamlined UI
- MS Office integration
- Xbox Live integration
- Windows Live integration
- Zune Integration
- Bing Integration
- Fastest growing marketplace (100 apps per day)
Cons
- No fast app switching
- No C&P yet
- No Flash support yet
- Lacking in hardware variation
- Not as many apps as in iOS or Android
- Limited Customization
- No CDMA support yet
- No Silverlight or HTML5 support yet
- No custom ringtones
WP7 is just F*ing fast! I have an HD2 whose Android ports have been tirelessly worked on since last summer and still STILL WP7 on its first release is smoother, faster, stabler, and more lag free. Even on top android devices (looking at you EVO 4g) Android is filled with lag while our paltry launch devices with their generic parts and arguably thoughtless design run WP7 like a dream. I'll admit that I miss a lot of the features of android (flash, marketplace maturity, copy/paste, tethering), but if you want an OS that works NOW buttery smooth and don't mind waiting a little bit for the awesome extras WP7 is the way.
Just to shut the fragmentation "issues".
I understand for those who live in the US of A fragmentation on WP7 means jack, however the platform was launched internationally.
So let's see
http://andrewtechhelp.com/andrews-tech-opinions/115-windows-phone-7-feature-availability-matrix
So let's assume you are on the platform that is being cursed here as fragmented, do you have a choice on the same platform and the same carrier you are on to get what you need? Is it worse than having a phone in your country outside of US of A and no matter what carrier or manufacture you choose you end up with the same features or lack thereof?
WP7 is already fragmented. Look at the Dell. If its not fragmented its severely crippled. 256mb ram started it.
Its this Windows better than other mobile OS?
Why?
Why I have to choose Win phone 7 instead of Android?
Can some one tell me please?
thanks
For me, one sentence will answer all...because we want to try something new and fresh.
However,the usability and satisfaction towards the OS or device are depends on your personal preference.
IMHO, I'm not really satisfied with this new OS,it is still in premature stage.
Much better user experience than WM and Android. More restrictions than both though, but most people aren't affected by this.
WP7 is smooth, clean and simple. It's generally very fast and elegant in operation. But right now it has bugs...at least for the pre-nodo devices. It currently lacks the higher-end hardware associated with the latest Androids and the iPhone, such as no front camera or dual-cpu. It doesn't use a plug & play expandable memory card...though you can expand the system memory with a little complexity on some devices...without voiding the warranty.
MO, its nice and fast with good apps. Big and easy to the eyes fonts.
But the weak point it gave you the feeling the phone is tied down as if you rent instead of owning it e.g. cant transfer documents to pc(not everyone have sharepoint),
no backups on anything(apps with user data or sms..anything) shud the phone needs to be reset or repaired.
If you are a patience type, then waiting for updates will not be an issue for you.
DatDereX1 said:
Much better user experience than WM and Android. More restrictions than both though, but most people aren't affected by this.
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Well, if you're going to confuse User INTERFACE with User EXPERIENCE, than your post is correct. Unfortunately, you are confused. The Experience goes beyond the interface. I'm not going to put my huge list in yet another thread. I'll leave it at that.
@ OP:
In the end it depends on your requirements and how you use your phone. The way I'd rank them, depending on what you need most:
Phone/Battery Life: Nokia (Symbian) > Blackberry
Media: WP7 > iOS (Phones with Bigger Screens, Zune Pass/Zune, etc.)
Gaming: iOS > WP7 > Android (Too many Android games are of terrible quality/bug-riddled).
Browsing: Android > iOS (More Browser Choices, bigger screens, 4G devices, etc.)
Communication (SMS/MMS/IM/eMail and Business Communications): Symbian > Blackberry > Android (WP7 would be in last place here, IMO)
Business User: Windows Mobile > Symbian > Blackberry (BB loses points due to needing BES for decent Exchange support - WM gains points for supporting every Exchange Policy and having Office Mobile 2010)
If having Voice Nav is a huge thing than Android > Symbian > Windows Mobile
If you're an Appaholic: iOS > Android > Blackberry
Since I know where you're probably (even if secretly) coming from, I'll just cut to the chase here... WP7 isn't as good as Android. The User Interface is better and it performs better in many cases (this is device dependent, to a large degree), but the level of services integration in addition to the functionality drop-off going from Windows Mobile to Windows Phone 7 is just not good when compared to other platforms. Microsoft failed to capitalize on their Windows Live services with WP7 (billed as a consumer device) and then they failed harder by locking down the platform so tight that the development community can't even help them close these gaps.
WP7 is a necessary step forward for Microsoft, but the platform is Beta in functionality and Release Candidate in User Experience. From what has been coming out of Microsoft, it also seems like nothing more than a transition platform. Don't get it until Mango releases to all carriers if you are coming from iOS or Android. You never know what the functionality gap is until you actually use this device on a daily basis. Using it for 20 minutes in a carrier store is not enough.
However, for those moving up from a feature phone and don't really want all the extra fluff of a true smartphone OS, then WP7 may suite them well...
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WP7 is smooth, clean and simple. It's generally very fast and elegant in operation. But right now it has bugs...at least for the pre-nodo devices. It currently lacks the higher-end hardware associated with the latest Androids and the iPhone, such as no front camera or dual-cpu. It doesn't use a plug & play expandable memory card...though you can expand the system memory with a little complexity on some devices...without voiding the warranty.
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N8ter said:
However, for those moving up from a feature phone and don't really want all the extra fluff of a true smartphone OS, then WP7 may suite them well...
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Well, I personally moved from a "true smartphone OS" (WM) to iOS to WP7 with a couple of brief stops with Android, and it suits me very well. Because I can do more with it, and better, including work (which for me is primarily communication via email and checking/quick editing office documents). While I will 200% agree that WP7 isn't a "PC in your pocket" in terms of power/flexibility/features by any stretch of imagination, and it isn't a business powerhouse, whether and how platforms fit your specific needs is what matters. Each platform has its own specific bugs or quirks which you may not notice at all or they can turn your phone ownership into hell.
You're going to have the "hate it"s and the "love it"s, with a good mix of fanboys in the middle, so my advice is to get an actual device in your hands and play a while with it.
Read about its features and current limitations and if it fits your needs, it has the apps you require and you enjoy it, take it... I know I did.
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my advice is to get an actual device in your hands and play a while with it.
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Actually, this is a crucially important piece of advice. As uniform as WP7 devices are, I had a very difficult time getting a phone for myself. My major problem with the current crop is miserable amount of storage. I had to go for a carrier branded Mozart to get at least 16GB, and while it wasn't SIM locked and doesn't cause too much hassle, I would advise that you avoid branded handsets if possible. You won't get any added value from them but updates will be delayed, among other things.
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You won't get any added value from them but updates will be delayed, among other things.
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In some cases carrier locked models do come at cheaper prices, which is crucial to some people when choosing their phones.
scionXda said:
Its this Windows better than other mobile OS?
Why?
Why I have to choose Win phone 7 instead of Android?
Can some one tell me please?
thanks
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IMO you are asking the question wrong. It's a bit like asking if a Hummer is a better car than a Prius? With no qualifiers you will get as many answers saying the Hummer as you get people saying the Prius.
Now, let me add some more information. I live in the country, have three dogs (who like going for drives), we get ****loads of snow in the winter and them side roads leading up to the property are not exactly prioritized when it comes to removing snow.
For me it (Hummer) definitely is, but for them there city folks probably not so much
If you'd like to add some more information about what you use your phone for, i.e. what is important to you - I'm sure we'll get you some good reasons why you should (or not) pick WP7.
N8ter said:
Well, if you're going to confuse User INTERFACE with User EXPERIENCE, than your post is correct. Unfortunately, you are confused. The Experience goes beyond the interface. I'm not going to put my huge list in yet another thread. I'll leave it at that.
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The interface is indeed better, and the user experience is also better in general. MUCH better than WM's user experience; you can't deny that.
Similar to how the iphone couldn't do nearly as much as WM when it was released, but the user experience was much better. Everything "just worked" as they say. Some people have issues with WP but most don't have or care about any. It "just works".
Windows Phone 7 is by far the best OS I have used.
Android is very laggy. I can't tell you how many times I went to answer a call and couldn't because my Android device wouldn't respond in time.
Interface is unmatched. Way better than anything Android or iOS has to offer.
iOS is a good OS if you have the latest hardware (iPhone4), but the interface kills it for me. It's very boring.
Gaming experience is really awesome on WP7. Love the XBox Live integration/achievements.
Mostly everything just works without a hitch.
There are still bugs... but as an early adopter, I couldn't be happier.
Having both I say choose Android but watch WP7 for the future.
Currently WP7 offers very little to the customers.
It has very easy and nice interface but equally boring and dull to be honest.
Almost every thing this device can do is limited, maybe besides Zune and Xbox.
If you don't care about any more advanced features WP7 may be for you.
After 3 months of liking it I couldn't stand it anymore.
Limitations driving me crazy, stupid inconsistencies in performance plus Interface which is just a little bit too primitive (even if it's so easy to use).
Many people wrote here alot about both OS'es. Almost everything has been said.
For me WP7 is a massive disappointment. I gave it huge credit, bought my WP7 device for cash in December. But honestly the current situation is simply unacceptable at all.
Crippled features + no support in most countries with Marketplace, Maps, Bing and native Keyboard. If I think of it now I see it's ridiculous.
WP7 definitely is something worth interest because MS has all the services to make a perfect ecosystem in every possible area and that may be amazing. That was one of the reasons I bought it. But they don't do it now at all. You can do 100 times more on any other platform.
I suppose WP7 may be big hit once Nokia will jump on the market and WP7 will be much more opened. I think after Mango update this can be better and better.
But not now. Apparently MS has huge problem with the upgrade system what is not positive. My device still can't be updated although preNoDo was OK.
So a really competitive and finished product can be available around beginning of next year. Not before and it's too long to wait for me - I buy device to do the job!
I guess current WP7 is like an advanced beta where MS has it's learning curve.
And regarding the fluidity I say - people tell myths here.
WP7 lags sometimes terribly and current Android interations are really snappy.
I had a iphone then a Desire HD (which I still have) and now a samsung omnia 7 16gb, I also have a Ipad 1 so have a good idea of all of the OS's. All three are good phones, and getting any of the 3 different OS you can't go wrong really.
However I am loving WP7 so far even with the little quirks, the UI is really awesome and I much prefer it to Android in that regard, I spent hours using launcher pro and icons and lock screen mods and was never happy with how it looked whereas WP7 does all i need on that front and beautifully.
Also it's a lot smoother than android, though to be fair Android is as smooth as you need, the very little lags and jerks you get when scrolling are not big deals and I didn't actually notice them till I had both phones side by side, not sure why people make such a big deal about tiny jerkiness sometimes in the scrolling on Android.
IOS was a little too bland for me and I really wanted a better notification system as well as a bigger screen 3.5 was too small for web pages and gaming, though the amount of good quality apps was amazing, however I had my iphone for 3 years and I really only had about 20 apps, A few games to play when really bored and not at my PC.
Zune is awesome, million times better than Itunes, never used it before WP7 but now I am hooked, will be going from the trial to a paid zune pass too, works very well the streaming.
I also am impressed with the gaming on WP7 some very cool games in the market place, just a pity they are normally a lot more expensive than what you get on the iphone or android.
So overall WP7 does what I need (email, calendar, phone calls, and music with the odd game) and in a beautiful UI, for some people it wont do what they want and that's fine but for me it's great.
The Desire HD isn't used much at all anymore and I will probably ebay it soon. Really hope WP7 gets bigger as in my opinion it deserves a place in the the market even at this early stage of it's life
It completely baffles me as to why people continue to point out that WinPhone doesn't use dual cpus as though it has some negative affect on the phone or it's experience, even going as far as to compare it to Android phones which do use it. With it's first generation processor it still outshines newer Android devices. Performance? WP7 outperforms those dual cpu Android devices. Battery life, as so many have argued is the biggest positive? WP7 still gets better battery life. Also, how many people actually use front facing cameras? Really? I know quite a few people with MyTouchs and iPhone4s who have never done a video chat, and they've owned the devices since launch.
Just had to get that out there.
Really the only things where it suffers are in the app department....once the OS gets it legs(another year or so) it will be on par if not better than iOS. It doesn't beat out the Iphone 4(definitely better than the 3G and 3GS) and some android phones. I say some because Android is highly dependent on the phone you get. With Windows Phone you can pretty much go with any phone and they all work well. Im on my 3rd month with it and I still love it. Ive been through sony android phones, the iphone 3GS and a bada phone as well.
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With it's first generation processor it still outshines newer Android devices.
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Absolutely not true, actually just the opposite.
scionXda said:
Its this Windows better than other mobile OS?
Why?
Why I have to choose Win phone 7 instead of Android?
Can some one tell me please?
thanks
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it's ok .
Microsoft, a titan of the software industry, entirely unmatched. Nokia, once THE hardware giant in the mobile industry, fallen from graces due to poor software. Sounds like a romance etched in the stars for bards to write soliloquys about until time dth end, right? Well, according to the press, this is just a terrible idea.
Earlier this year, Microsoft announced an exclusive partnership with Nokia granting them more power over an already beautiful OS. Numerous jobs were lost, the bad press was everywhere, but Elop and Ballmer were smiling for the camera. Things died down, a few even began to see the bright side of what such a merger might offer, but with the release of the technical specifications of nokia's new windows phone devices, windows phone users everywhere froze. They seemed to offer nothing that the other OEMs couldn't. Some were expecting Nokia to blow us away with the use of a dual-core processor on a windows phone flagship device, my only thought, why?
Nokia is a hardware company not known for excessive hardware, but rather how they use it. While android was running sluggish on a 1 GHz snapdragon, symbian was smooth on a much lesser chipset. Nokia never was the greatest manufacturer for the power in the phone, just great execution be it their battery life which is absolutely phenomenal opposed to that of most smartphones, or their build quality, which provides a durable, polished, and attractive device. Don't even get me started on the camera's they've so often been praised for since the early days of smartphones. Nokia is a hardware company to be revered, even if not for their power.
Now, with WP7's strict hardware limitations allowing very specific chipsets in their devices, the chipset is not the issue by any means. What Microsoft needs now is a beautiful device with a great camera to take advantage of the fastest camera app out there, a great battery life to provide hours of smooth, lag-free browsing, and a polished build quality to match the polished OS.
Do I think WP7/Nokia could be a game changer? I'd like to think so, but only time will tell. For now, I'll just continue salivating over the new Nokia 800.
They will bring a lot - great build quality, great reception, great camera and free worldwide navigation with Nokia Maps. Not sure about the battery life but maybe there is going to be something in that part too.
z33dev33l said:
Microsoft, a titan of the software industry, entirely unmatched. Nokia, once THE hardware giant in the mobile industry, fallen from graces due to poor software. Sounds like a romance etched in the stars for bards to write soliloquys about until time dth end, right? Well, according to the press, this is just a terrible idea.
Earlier this year, Microsoft announced an exclusive partnership with Nokia granting them more power over an already beautiful OS. Numerous jobs were lost, the bad press was everywhere, but Elop and Ballmer were smiling for the camera. Things died down, a few even began to see the bright side of what such a merger might offer, but with the release of the technical specifications of nokia's new windows phone devices, windows phone users everywhere froze. They seemed to offer nothing that the other OEMs couldn't. Some were expecting Nokia to blow us away with the use of a dual-core processor on a windows phone flagship device, my only thought, why?
Nokia is a hardware company not known for excessive hardware, but rather how they use it. While android was running sluggish on a 1 GHz snapdragon, symbian was smooth on a much lesser chipset. Nokia never was the greatest manufacturer for the power in the phone, just great execution be it their battery life which is absolutely phenomenal opposed to that of most smartphones, or their build quality, which provides a durable, polished, and attractive device. Don't even get me started on the camera's they've so often been praised for since the early days of smartphones. Nokia is a hardware company to be revered, even if not for their power.
Now, with WP7's strict hardware limitations allowing very specific chipsets in their devices, the chipset is not the issue by any means. What Microsoft needs now is a beautiful device with a great camera to take advantage of the fastest camera app out there, a great battery life to provide hours of smooth, lag-free browsing, and a polished build quality to match the polished OS.
Do I think WP7/Nokia could be a game changer? I'd like to think so, but only time will tell. For now, I'll just continue salivating over the new Nokia 800.
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stigma:
the stigma amoung developers will remain, i would imagine. bitten by a company doesn't make you want to turn around and work for/with them again when they smile and announce a new product with a new partner. but that's only a few thousand people. they certainly won't be doing any dev'ing out of shear joy or passion. maybe for a job, but i doubt the flashy new hardware will dull their memory of being wronged by nokia, and now microsoft.
hardware:
despite the marketing and constant suggestion that nokia will be revolutionary hardware, or a great relationship with microsoft, or something 'new' and 'invigorating' - to the common consumer, it's a yawner:
another phone.
it's green.
big camera.
wp7.
more yawns, wp7 has been available for a while. 5-6Mp cameras have been available. dual cores, NFC, big and bright touch screens, it's all out there, right now.
so, what is the draw for just another manufacturer releasing another phone here ?
enlighten me
"Nokia/WP7- Is anything new being brought to the table?"
Yes, of course, huge huge impressive 16gb storage.
HTC and Samsung and LG have learned immensely during the last two years about both software and hardware in the new smart phone era. It would be difficult to outdo their current offerings.
But there is really a chance, due to their partnership, that they may come up with something new and interesting. Let's just wait a few days.
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But there is really a chance, due to their partnership, that they may come up with something new and interesting. Let's just wait a few days.
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I bet a lot of people will be disappointed.... Probably mainly low end devices
I also predict many issues/bugs/problems. Nokia haven't the experience that HTC have.
According to engadget "possibly the most beautiful phone ever made". But I guess without tri-cores they really arent any different from the giants that are HTC and Samsung. /S
Those blue and pink phones look great with similar-colored live tiles!
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I bet a lot of people will be disappointed.... Probably mainly low end devices
I also predict many issues/bugs/problems. Nokia haven't the experience that HTC have.
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um wat? lol. Nokia has more experience than just about any other phone manufacturer out there.
As far as what Nokia brings:
1. Excellent build quality & durability
2. Still best in class camera optics (at least on the high end phones).
3. Very good quality radios / cell reception
4. Typically very good battery life
5. Very stylistic designs well beyond what most manufacturers put out
6. Nokia services such as Ovi Maps (this will be huge for Bing Maps outside of US/UK)
7. Very large reach into lots of countries. More reach = more exposure = more people = good for platform.
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um wat? lol. Nokia has more experience than just about any other phone manufacturer out there.
As far as what Nokia brings:
1. Excellent build quality & durability
2. Still best in class camera optics (at least on the high end phones).
3. Very good quality radios / cell reception
4. Typically very good battery life
5. Very stylistic designs well beyond what most manufacturers put out
6. Nokia services such as Ovi Maps (this will be huge for Bing Maps outside of US/UK)
7. Very large reach into lots of countries. More reach = more exposure = more people = good for platform.
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It's totally true besides one thing:
Since introduction of touchscreens their own Symbian OS bacame disaster,
which just couldn't catch the leaders, even if it was offerring more features than iOS and Android some time ago.
They couldn't manage this and develop this OS properly, even having such great experience and potential and money.
So take nothing for granted. I am not so sure WP7/Nokia will give such amazing results everybody hopes for.
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I bet a lot of people will be disappointed.... Probably mainly low end devices
I also predict many issues/bugs/problems. Nokia haven't the experience that HTC have.
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Anyone want to bet that the Microsoft Hero Phone will come from Nokia?
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I agree the specs I've seen so far are not wildly inspiring, but maybe that's not the point. Whilst the sort of people who read XDA will probably be more excited by phones such as the samsung focus s etc., perhaps typical consumers look more at brand / aesthetics / contract price than processor specs, and Nokia still have a name somewhat synonymous with mobile phones for a lot of people. Even though I probably won't one myself, I see the Nokia influence doing wonders for windows phone as a platform as it will get it into the hands of many people who might not have considered it otherwise.
My last Nokia phone was the n80 and it was a great piece of hardware. 3.2mp camera was unheard of back then.
The software is the only thing holding Nokia back. With WP they have the potential to release premium phones as well as low end smartphones . Nobody has the worldwide reach lke Nokia. They are the biggest phone company in the world.
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This is something of a do or die situation, Nokia has to awe us.
The N9 is one great looking device. Meego also looked great.
They need to quit ditching OS's.
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The N9 is one great looking device. Meego also looked great.
They need to quit ditching OS's.
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devving for meego direct was hell so all we'd really get was ports and that's only from those who wanted to take the time to port. No matter how it went the best meego could've been is a second-rate android and they didn't want that.
We all know Nokia is going to make incredible hardware. What I'm mostly excited about are the OS changes Nokia has made.
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The N9 is one great looking device. Meego also looked great.
They need to quit ditching OS's.
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They ditched 1 OS.
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They ditched 1 OS.
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??? Are you kidding.
They dropped Symbian as well.
I admit i only read a few posts on this thread so if this point is made already im sorry.
The way i see it is that spec sheets are worthless as each manufacturer can buy up the same bits from the same places and bung them in a shell. WP7 is always a constantly fast smooth OS the expiriance unlike droid is the same from one device to another. So what does Nokia bring???? They bring the style! I dont see the spec sheets blowing us away at all or some super new tech but i ask you this when was the last time you looked at a phone without all the specs and that and thought wow that is one sexy beast? The only time i can remember really thinking that was over 11 years ago when Nokia baught the 8850 to the table. I dont care what the specs are i need the 800 (searay) in my life.
Yes, this is an angry rant but this needs to be done.
After this forum has to endure relentless abuse from people about certain hardware decisions surrounding Windows Phone, I find it more than mildly amusing that these 3 flagship phones:
HTC One X - 4.7" Quad Core 1.5GHz 8MP
HTC One XL - 4.7" Dual Core 1.5GHz LTE 8MP
HTC One S - 4.3" Dual Core 1.5GHz 8MP
All have one thing in common: No SD Card Slot.
And the gorgeous Sony Xperia U/P phones are using android-laughable, mere Dual Core 1GHz "old" chips in 2012.
That being said, I love the direction new Sony Mobile is going in. Eye-catching phones with reasonable specs. Nothing overboard like 4.7" Quad Core. All we hear in here is specs specs specs, yet we are seeing a regression in certain areas among specific phones in the Android world. If I had a dollar for everytime I heard someone say Windows Phone is crap because 16GB no SD card slot is not going to be enough I would be retired.
What do Windows Phones need?
CPU: Modest Dual Core CPU only for the accompanying GPU to play nice games.
Handsets: More handsets on more carriers, and more nice ones like the Lumia 800/900. Would love to see Sony get into the Windows Phone game but that will not happen until Apple starts suing them too. And hey, if the S is popular enough that may happen.
Apps: More apps.
And that is it. Because a fantastic looking phone that is stable, smooth, has great battery life, and a huge library of apps is the recipe for success.
end rant.
I don't pay any of that junk attention, it's usually always the same people anyway....they'll see a shiny, new Android phone and the first thing they do is say "see, WP doesn't have this..it's a failure..". I read something the other day that made me literally laugh out loud: they said the"Windows fanboys" would change their tune about multiple cores...if the phone already comes with it, why wouldn't it be supported!?! I have repeatedly said I own an Evo 3D and an HD7, one has a single core processor, the other, a dual core processor...guess which one is smoother?
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I don't pay any of that junk attention, it's usually always the same people anyway....they'll see a shiny, new Android phone and the first thing they do is say "see, WP doesn't have this..it's a failure..". I read something the other day that made me literally laugh out loud: they said the"Windows fanboys" would change their tune about multiple cores...if the phone already comes with it, why wouldn't it be supported!?! I have repeatedly said I own an Evo 3D and an HD7, one has a single core processor, the other, a dual core processor...guess which one is smoother?
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Well, sometimes it is hard to ignore the junk when you read it everyday. A large part of the noise went away when bans were handed out.
But what is wrong with us all when specs matter regardless of how useable those specs are? I am beyond curious to see what battery life they 4.7" ultrasharp, ultracore phones are going to have and how people will be able to justify it.
I like my car fast, but I do not think its acceptable if I need to refuel constantly and carry around a fuel cannister in my trunk cuz the gas mileage sucks.
I agree, that's why I lol. ..some folks you just can't please: a person posted that you can't download mp3s over the air with WP, I said you can with the right app ( I use the full version of easyring ), they then complained that it wasn't free like Android lol...
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I pretty much silenced the entire quadcore android leaks...what MS needs to do thread when I posted 2 sources stating that multi cores were coming. I know N8ter got banned and he was the biggest one, who else got banned?
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I pretty much silenced the entire quadcore android leaks...what MS needs to do thread when I posted 2 sources stating that multi cores were coming. I know N8ter got banned and he was the biggest one, who else got banned?
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Wow, N8ter got banned? I guess i been away for a while. I stopped paying attention to XDA for a while, because of him & a few others.
Ok, back on topic. Yeah, these specs do seem a little stupid, but this is even on WP7. I must say that the OEM's need to make better devices & give better choices on memory size. At least give a few versions; 8/16/32 GB. Not force everyone to one size. 16 GB is good enough for me for now, but I can see how some people could use more. 8 GB is just laughable IMO for that matter, but some people just don't need that much space I guess.
He forgot to mention they will be available in 16 32, and I think 64 gb variations.
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Well, sometimes it is hard to ignore the junk when you read it everyday. A large part of the noise went away when bans were handed out.
But what is wrong with us all when specs matter regardless of how useable those specs are? I am beyond curious to see what battery life they 4.7" ultrasharp, ultracore phones are going to have and how people will be able to justify it.
I like my car fast, but I do not think its acceptable if I need to refuel constantly and carry around a fuel cannister in my trunk cuz the gas mileage sucks.
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I have to agree with this. I disappeared because of the constant Android fanfare here and the lack of action by the moderators. I had to constantly ***** about it in PM to them because they would hand out a warning to me and allow them to continue ruining the experience here.
I honestly don't think that these specs going on in the mobile world are going to last though. It's very reminiscent of the power wars with PCs a few years back. Ultimately, efficiency won out and not "omg I have 7ghz." And I think you're seeing that with Windows 8, where no new specs are required. We're seeing that with Windows Phone - where an older snapdragon feels like a newly released processor.
I'm honestly happy with my HD7, I have been since day one. The OS, the apps, and the experience has done nothing but improve every single day. With the exception of HTCs HORRIBLE driver release and bugs, it has been as solid as solid can be.
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He forgot to mention they will be available in 16 32, and I think 64 gb variations.
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You guys know how I feel about this. I one of the big supporters of the cloud, pandora, zune pass, etc when it comes to music. While I would love a little more space, I have a boat load of music on my phone, I stream even more, and I have 7gb left after a year and a half lol.
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He forgot to mention they will be available in 16 32, and I think 64 gb variations.
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Forgot? The 4.3" Samsung Focus S comes in 16/32GB options as well in the same phone. The HTC One S 4.3" is 16GB. So I need to get a 4.7" phone in order to enjoy 32GB if I want an HTC One? Maybe that will change but as far as I see there are no variations.
But to be balanced I agree phones should come in 16/32GB variations. The Cloud is not a good answer for why only 8GB.
This is hilarious!
It takes android phones 4 cores to get near the smooth experience windows phone offers with only one core.
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This is hilarious!
It takes android phones 4 cores to get near the smooth experience windows phone offers with only one core.
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Since this General forum is so quiet recently,proves that the reason I remained silence is correct due to the typical WP7 fans like above?
if bashing android like you said making you happy,then just do it.
just want to say single core android can run as smooth as WP7 when it only build to run easy stuffs like on WP7.
Will back to my silent state again...think and experience always make you better....
I think the forum is generally silent because you don't spend time tinkering with WP, it works. My point (and I think the Op's) is that having multiple cores on a cellphone doesn't guarantee a speedy user experience. No matter how much we go back and forth, some people can't accept that there are a select few that actually enjoy their phones without worrying what the other guys are doing .
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I think the forum is generally silent because you don't spend time tinkering with WP, it works. My point (and I think the Op's) is that having multiple cores on a cellphone doesn't guarantee a speedy user experience. No matter how much we go back and forth, some people can't accept that there are a select few that actually enjoy their phones without worrying what the other guys are doing .
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I'm not sure the op had a point. It just seemed like the loling about certain new android phones having undesirable attributes. It seemed more about the sd card than the cores, anyway.
If I understand correctly, SD cards are being designed this way so that both system and user memory are combined into one; that way, there's no longer a hard system app limit, aside from of course the SD capacity. (I could be completely off.)
But all in all, what's the point of a thread on this? If you consider lack of SD card to be a dealbreaker like the people in the OP supposedly did, then yes, you won't be buying the One X. So what? Buy something else. Perhaps if there'd been a system change that made Android no longer support SD cards, then it'd be amusingly ironic. But you're talking about 3 phones here..
Not really anything new since the past two nexus phones haven't had SD slots, but it's definitely not going to help HTC with sales. Personally, I won't even consider buying a phone unless it has expandable storage. I passed on the Palm Pre back in the day for that very reason even though at the time it was the nicest phone Sprint had and I was stuck with a three year old Sanyo dumbphone.
It's a shame OEMs are following in Apple's footsteps with regard to non-expandable storage (unless you buy a whole new device for more money) and none removable batteries.
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This is hilarious!
It takes android phones 4 cores to get near the smooth experience windows phone offers with only one core.
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Not really on topic to this fora, but this being XDA we should at least try to keep information on here accurate.
It's a very common misconception that hardware will be able to fix Android's stuttering when it's a software issue. It comes down to the fact that Google hasn't optimized the Linux kernel for Mobile Devices instead of PCs. It doesn't give priority to the UI with CPU usage, so if something else wants CPU time the UI performance will suffer. Not to mention a thread can only run on one CPU so the other cores would just sit idle regardless. Hardware rendering has also always been available, but due to it's overhead there are times when it can actually hinder performance.
The article below deals primarily with Android, but the underlying issues apply to pretty much all operating systems.
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
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I'm not sure the op had a point. It just seemed like the loling about certain new android phones having undesirable attributes. It seemed more about the sd card than the cores, anyway.
If I understand correctly, SD cards are being designed this way so that both system and user memory are combined into one; that way, there's no longer a hard system app limit, aside from of course the SD capacity. (I could be completely off.)
But all in all, what's the point of a thread on this? If you consider lack of SD card to be a dealbreaker like the people in the OP supposedly did, then yes, you won't be buying the One X. So what? Buy something else. Perhaps if there'd been a system change that made Android no longer support SD cards, then it'd be amusingly ironic. But you're talking about 3 phones here..
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what he's trying to say is that all the Android fanboys come in here and poke fun at and chant failure to all the WP phones that don't have removable storage and that now has come back at them with the newer android phones not having removable storage where as the WP8 phones will.
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what he's trying to say is that all the Android fanboys come in here and poke fun at and chant failure to all the WP phones that don't have removable storage and that now has come back at them with the newer android phones not having removable storage where as the WP8 phones will.
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Three new android phones don't have removable storage, yes, I get that. So what? There are so many other new devices that, if an android fanboy don't want the One X, he don't have to get it. Saying "haha you can't get these particular devices" isn't actually saying anything, when the dissers have a varied enough ecosystem to draw upon. Maybe if they were all HTC fans (but HTC isn't even the #1 seller anymore, so..)
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Yes, this is an angry rant but this needs to be done.
After this forum has to endure relentless abuse from people about certain hardware decisions surrounding Windows Phone, I find it more than mildly amusing that these 3 flagship phones:
HTC One X - 4.7" Quad Core 1.5GHz 8MP
HTC One XL - 4.7" Dual Core 1.5GHz LTE 8MP
HTC One S - 4.3" Dual Core 1.5GHz 8MP
All have one thing in common: No SD Card Slot.
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I am perfectly fine if an android phone doesn't have a SD card slot. Those are on the big side of the big-small continuum. I don't think I would want a phone without a micro SD card slot unless it was a cheap and small phone. Even then, I don't know if I would do one without a micro SD card slot. Of it is cheap, the it probably won't have much in the way of storage space.
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Wow, N8ter got banned? I guess i been away for a while. I stopped paying attention to XDA for a while, because of him & a few others.
Ok, back on topic. Yeah, these specs do seem a little stupid, but this is even on WP7. I must say that the OEM's need to make better devices & give better choices on memory size. At least give a few versions; 8/16/32 GB. Not force everyone to one size. 16 GB is good enough for me for now, but I can see how some people could use more. 8 GB is just laughable IMO for that matter, but some people just don't need that much space I guess.
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Wow... i haven't paid any attention to that guy for awhile!
But yeah... OEM is thinking that customer will not need more than 16GB of data which is wrong. And they are thinking that people would not want laggy performance, so they don't use the SD Card to prevent this.
That is what i think.
But, the problem with this, i have said many times , that people will never know that Windows Phone run smoother in One Core only, they will still believe in the number and the mouth of the representative. "2 Cores will be better than 1, 2 is bigger than 1" .
Same Sh!t, Different Day. (S.S.D.D)
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Since this General forum is so quiet recently,proves that the reason I remained silence is correct due to the typical WP7 fans like above?
if bashing android like you said making you happy,then just do it.
just want to say single core android can run as smooth as WP7 when it only build to run easy stuffs like on WP7.
Will back to my silent state again...think and experience always make you better....
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Same reason I stopped posting in here.
I'm on single core and having a extremely smooth experience.
Its also extremely annoying not having removable storage as Nicksi pointed out. That and the non removable batteries are big issue.
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What windows needs is more apps Had a windows phone for a while so many of the apps arent updated (like angry birds)
Wanted to start a conversation that will hopefully not turn into a troll-fest regarding the merits of Android versus those of iOS.
I own devices in both camps, and honestly can't say I could ever live without the versatility of my Android phone (e.g. Swiss-army knife of tech). In contrast, I enjoy my iPad as a piece of "it just works" entertainment utility, casual browsing and staunch consumerism. iOS currently trumps my ET4G in Enterprise integration with Windows products.
With the upcoming release of 4.1 Jellybean and Google Now for those of us that haven't ported it to ICS (4.0.4), I'd say that unequivocally Android has evened the playing field when it comes to a base-line technology comparison.
However...we have the iPhone 5 looming in the distance, and honestly when it comes to stability of the native apps - Apple's stuff really does "just work" - and often times has more value. Android has more free apps, and is more tech/tweaker friendly, but I find that the quality of our Play Store applications still isn't there when compared to iOS. I know some of that issue is the age of the AppStore vs Play Store, but then for some common apps like LogmeIn you have to scratch your heads and wonder if Android development played second fiddle for the company's needs...even though they charge a handsome sum for the Android version of the Ignition app, versus that in iOS.
Anywho, food for thought. Look forward to your feedback and responses.
Short answer: No
Long answer: No, all it has done its give more options to the consumer, now you got the (dying) blackberry, windows mobile, iOS, Android and the propietary OS of manufacturers (Bada, whatever Nokia uses)
To me personally apps are overrated. Everyphone can get them, the most popular ones are on all devices, and it all varies on how much you are on your phone. Doesn't mean it couldn't improve for android. But I don't base my phone purchase on apps.
Really you should rephrase the question. SAmsung Vs Apple. Because these are the two leaders in teh clubhouse. Hardware wise: If you compared the GS2 to the Iphone4S hardware wise it was a blowout. And Inch difference OLED screen, able to play multiple video formats, microsd, 4G in many cases. Samsung out of all android manufacturers is bringing the pain these last 2 years. The GS3 will be out 4 months when the Iphone 5 will come out. And out the box the iphone is already behind the GS3 and possible GN2. I thought i was a disadvantage for samsung to push so many devices. But its working for them. They it seems like the note/ galaxy phones and tablets have outpaced the others. And those maybe the ones Samsung will continue to focus on.
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To me personally apps are overrated. Everyphone can get them, the most popular ones are on all devices, and it all varies on how much you are on your phone. Doesn't mean it couldn't improve for android. But I don't base my phone purchase on apps.
Really you should rephrase the question. SAmsung Vs Apple. Because these are the two leaders in teh clubhouse. Hardware wise: If you compared the GS2 to the Iphone4S hardware wise it was a blowout. And Inch difference OLED screen, able to play multiple video formats, microsd, 4G in many cases. Samsung out of all android manufacturers is bringing the pain these last 2 years. The GS3 will be out 4 months when the Iphone 5 will come out. And out the box the iphone is already behind the GS3 and possible GN2. I thought i was a disadvantage for samsung to push so many devices. But its working for them. They it seems like the note/ galaxy phones and tablets have outpaced the others. And those maybe the ones Samsung will continue to focus on.
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I usually dont jump in iOS vs Android threads but I just want to say the one area that iOS has over Android is in the 3D game department. That, and the QUALITY of there apps just own Android. Android has more beast of phones with huge screens and fast CPU / GPU but in the App department, Apple has that on lock.
Dont get me wrong, there are a few high quality apps on Android such as FourSquare, Twitter, Instagram, all the popular apps. On iOS though every single game / app is very polished with beauty in mind.
The problem Android has is its Fragmentation. Even if you own a high end expensive Android phone, developers still have to create there apps for the low end cheap Android phones. And when they create games, the developers have to mold there games around different GPUs. Android is just a nightmare too many different phones and CPUs and GPUs...
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